Weah96:



Things being declared into existence using thoughts and words are not the same as things evolving over time. But if it helps you sleep...

But thoughts create matter .

You can do your research if you want

DeepSight:




People have written hundreds of thousands of books about God throughout history. That does not necessarily mean God is affiliated with any particular book.

Fine. An amorphous, nameless, deity unrelated to the Bible or Quran.

Humans possess an inner voice.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/media-spotlight/201508/listening-your-inner-voice

What particular information was revealed in your conversation with god which made you realize that you were speaking to the designer of Time, Space, and Matter and not yourself?

Weah96:
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Whether life was designed or not is inconsequential. We still have to address the books. What is it, you wanna be a deist now?

I have experienced God's intervention in human affairs - miracles - so why should I be a deist

Weah96:



Fine. An amorphous, nameless, deity unrelated to the Bible or Quran.

Humans possess an inner voice.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/media-spotlight/201508/listening-your-inner-voice

What particular information was revealed in your conversation with god which made you realize that you were speaking to the designer of Time, Space, and Matter and not yourself?

If the voice presciently informs you , is it still your inner voice ?

DeepSight:


Now, lets assume a Divine entity - God - does exist and did create by its word. Do you presume that at such a level of existence its words would be as our words? what do you imagine its words would be like?

Like I said, you're a bit too late. I don't presume anything. I don't even rule out an intelligent designer.

In fact, you just told me that you've made contact with it and you two have conversations. I should be the one asking you. You claim that this exact same powerful creator speaks to you today. What kind of evidence do you think is required? I say some sort of magic, like answering by fire or resurrection. Not Nairaland posts.

KingEbukasBlog:


I have experienced God's intervention in human affairs - miracles - so why should I be a deist

Explain.

Weah96:


Explain.

A deist relies on rational explanations for his belief in God . A deist feels that how nature is designed is enough evidence for the existence of God . A theist goes beyond that - his experiences of supernatural intervention and revelations + the design of nature proves God's existence . A miracle is an example of a supernatural intervention . Visions , trances could serve as revelations

KingEbukasBlog:


If the voice presciently informs you , is it still your inner voice ?

No, it's TB Joshua's. Dude, I run through a million scenarios in my head daily, some end up correct, others end up wrong. None are attributed to instructions from a remote party. So unless you have the numbers to the next mega millions drawing, I say you're talking to yourself.

If I were speaking to the hypothetical designer of time and space, I'm assuming that my claim would contain some irreproachable information that it would have shared with me.

KingEbukasBlog:


A deist relies on rational explanations for his belief in God . A deist feels that how nature is designed is enough evidence for the existence of God . A theist goes beyond that - his experiences of supernatural intervention and revelations + the design of nature proves God's existence . A miracle is an example of a supernatural intervention . Visions , trances could serve as revelations

Deists are cool. Theists talk to invisible people.

KingEbukasBlog:


But thoughts create matter .

You can do your research if you want

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Drop a link.

Weah96:


No, it's TB Joshua's. Dude, I run through a million scenarios in my head daily, some end up correct, others end up wrong. None are attributed to instructions from a remote party. So unless you have the numbers to the next mega millions drawing, I say you're talking to yourself.

If I were speaking to the hypothetical designer of time and space, I'm assuming that my claim would contain some irreproachable information that it would have shared with me.

Prescience - foreknowledge . This means it can't get it wrong . This voice keeps telling you to do a particular thing a particular way or to show prudence or do things circumspectly . And anytime you disobey you are left to regret or rue not obeying the voice .

So I ask again : Is it still your inner voice .

KingEbukasBlog:


Prescience - foreknowledge . This means it can't get it wrong . This voice keeps telling you to do a particular thing a particular way or to show prudence or do things circumspectly . And anytime you disobey you are left to regret or rue not obeying the voice .

So I ask again : Is it still your inner voice .

Foreknowledge? But we are mortal beings. Does the voice tell you where to find food or water or money? Does the voice tell you the day of your inevitable death?

I'm trying to see the sense in creating time and space, and then entering your head to advice you not to take your land cruiser to the market. Meanwhile, death is inevitable. Why do you think that the designer of time and space would serve as your personal fortune teller?

Weah96:



Fine. An amorphous, nameless, deity unrelated to the Bible or Quran.

Humans possess an inner voice.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/media-spotlight/201508/listening-your-inner-voice

There is no doubt that we possess an inner voice. Man is not the flesh alone. The flesh is mere meat: it can be gobbled up by a dog or even a rat if they got the slightest chance to do so.

What particular information was revealed in your conversation with god which made you realize that you were speaking to the designer of Time, Space, and Matter and not yourself?

Information I could not possibly know myself. And no, I cannot share such with you - it would be meaningless to you.

What you need to do is to show, logically that it is impossible for a human to communicate with a deity.
To do this you will have to -

1. Show that the Deity does not exist
2. Show that you know what is contained in the inner mind of every human
3. Show that you know exactly what the inner mind of every human is capable of and not capable of
4. Show conclusively that all inner mind expression is only communication with self and never communication to anything external (in doing this, you thereby show that something like telepathy, for example, does not exist and is imaginary or coincidental only).

These are the first steps you have to take to begin to sort out your falsification.

Weah96:


Like I said, you're a bit too late. I don't presume anything. I don't even rule out an intelligent designer.

In fact, you just told me that you've made contact with it and you two have conversations. I should be the one asking you. You claim that this exact same powerful creator speaks to you today. What kind of evidence do you think is required? I say some sort of magic, like answering by fire or resurrection. Not Nairaland posts.

I am not too sure I may be able to go the length with this line of reasoning save to advise you that your entire life is a conversation with God.
One day you might appreciate that fact.

DeepSight:


There is no doubt that we possess an inner voice. Man is not the flesh alone. The flesh is mere meat: it can be gobbled up by a dog or even a rat if they got the slightest chance to do so.



Information I could not possibly know myself. And no, I cannot share such with you - it would be meaningless to you.

What you need to do is to show, logically that it is impossible for a human to communicate with a deity.
To do this you will have to -

1. Show that the Deity does not exist
2. Show that you know what is contained in the inner mind of every human
3. Show that you know exactly what the inner mind of every human is capable of and not capable of
4. Show conclusively that all inner mind expression is only communication with self and never communication to anything external (in doing this, you thereby show that something like telepathy, for example, does not exist and is imaginary or coincidental only).

These are the first steps you have to take to begin to sort out your falsification.

You made a claim that the all powerful, infinity, infinity, boss of all knowledge frequently speaks to you in your head. You must defend your very specific claim.

I provided that link to show that normal human being have an innate inner voice. With that being said, you insist that the voice in your head is not your own. How can you be so sure? What did the infinity infinity boss of knowledge reveal that made you confident enough to repeat the claim outside of your home?

DeepSight:


I am not too sure I may be able to go the length with this line of reasoning save to advise you that you entire life is a conversation with God.
One day you might appreciate that fact.

No, you told me that powerful infinity infinity speaks to you.
To which I replied, what kind of evidence do you think is required to convince me that that the infinity infinity is revealing things to you?

Weah96:


You made a claim that the all powerful, infinity, infinity, boss of all knowledge frequently speaks to you in your head. You must defend your very specific claim.

I provided that link to show that normal human being have an innate inner voice. With that being said, you insist that the voice in your head is not your own. How can you be so sure? What did the infinity infinity boss of knowledge reveal that made you confident enough to repeat the claim outside of your home?

There is no confusion here. You asked if God speaks to me, and I said yes. If by speaking you only understand a physical mouth opening and speaking audibly, I would be surprised. I also further tried to help you by averting your mind to the what manner of speech a Divine being can be imagined to have? I also hinted you that your whole life is a conversation with God. These comments from my side should let you see what I mean by "speaking."

As to your inner voice issue, I doubt that Inner voices can be so exactly prescient as I know very well happens to me in intricate detail all the time. However that is not something I can prove to you and that is why I said I cannot share such details with you as it would be meaningless to you. Also it shows nothing whatsoever - it is personal knowledge I cannot transfer unless experienced by a person himself.

You specifically said that you could falsify something, and yet you are yet to do so. I await.

DeepSight:


There is no confusion here. You asked if God speaks to me, and I said yes. If by speaking you only understand a physical mouth opening and speaking audibly, I would be surprised. I also further tried to help you by averting your mind to the what manner of speech a Divine being can be imagined to have? I also hinted you that your whole life is a conversation with God. These comments from my side should let you see what I mean by "speaking."

As to your inner voice issue, I doubt that Inner voices can be so exactly prescient as I know very well happens to me in intricate detail all the time. However that is not something I can prove to you and that is why I said I cannot share such details with you as it would be meaningless to you. Also it shows nothing whatsoever - it is personal knowledge I cannot transfer unless experienced by a person himself.

You specifically said that you could falsify something, and yet you are yet to do so. I await.

OK, so let me get this right. You speak to god by simply being alive or through a voice in your head?

asalimpo:
Saying there is no God, blew away most of you iq.

your IQ*

KingEbukasBlog:


That life as complex , beautiful , and ordered at it is appeared from nothing , that cockroaches magically transformed to man over eons of time No thanks

One modern specie doesn't evolve into another. All these arguments and you still on square one? Yet you have the gall to call atheists close-minded? Shows your level of reasoning.

Weah96:


OK, so let me get this right. You speak to god by simply being alive or through a voice in your head?

It doesn't matter how I speak to God or how God speaks to me.

You don't speak to everyone around you the same way do you? In the same way the dynamic between me and God will be different from the dynamic between you and God as I am not you and you are not me.

Just live your life well, try not to harm others and try to do as much good for the world as you can. Try to contribute something positive to the world before you die. Someday, the conversation you have been having with God will become apparent to you. If it hasn't, don't worry at all, be it true or false, just live.

DeepSight:


It doesn't matter how I speak to God or how God speaks to me.

You argued that you've made contact with the infinity infinity boss of all knowledge. I replied by saying that your claim was a falsifiable one, that the information obtained from your conversation with said infinity infinity should contain enough mystery to dispel skeptics like me.

After wasting my time, not only do you not reveal any earth shattering information, you don't even think it's relevant to disclose your method/mode of communication. You probably still think that I should take you seriously.

Elijah from the Bible put out a challenge to prove he was speaking to the infinity infinity. That is the kind of challenge I expect you to follow, since you too are speaking to the infinity infinity. Nairaland comments don't prove your claims.

I have two lakes in my sub division. If you're speaking to the infinity infinity, let those lakes be consumed with fire by 5pm my time. Those are the kyn things you should be saying if you truly communicate with the person who created time and space.

Weah96:


You argued that you've made contact with the infinity infinity boss of all knowledge

I did not make any such comment stating that I have "made contact" with anyone.
Also, its apparent that you are not taking the conversation seriously, thus my simple advise to you to just live.

DeepSight:


I did not make any such comment stating that I have "made contact" with anyone.

You claimed to speak with the person who created heaven, earth, nature, and time. In other word, you've made contact with the infinity infinity.

CoolUsername:


One modern specie doesn't evolve into another. All these arguments and you still on square one? Yet you have the gall to call atheists close-minded? Shows your level of reasoning.

dinosaurs to cows

KingEbukasBlog:

A miracle is an example of a supernatural intervention . Visions , trances could serve as revelations

What do you mean 'supernatural' intervention? I agree with trances and visions. I've gotten great design ideas and concepts from weed.

Weah96:


First of all, your question does not address the issue of the talking god. For example, let's say I agree with you and accept the fact that we were designed by aN intelligent creator. You still have to prove that this intelligent designer told bronze age Jews to write a book. You still have to prove that the intelligent designer is talking to you.

The Bible is filled with many fulfilled prophecies. These prophecies were not vague but in many cases detailed. Those words were spoken several years or centuries before the said events came to pass. It could only be someone who knows the end from the beginning that could do so.

Bible also contains instructions (more like a product manual where the product in this case is man). If followed, man would live a happy and fulfilled life.

No ancient book has faced as much opposition as the bible. It has suffered more vicious attacks and attempts to destroy it than any other book in history. From early Roman Emperors like Diocletian, through communist dictators and on to modern-day atheists and agnostics, the Bible has withstood and outlasted all of its attackers and is still today the most widely published book in the world. I believe it withstood these oppositions because it was divine. Whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world.

Weah96:
Secondly, intelligently designed things in life don't have a personal relationship with their creators. Steve Jobs didn't create the iPhone so that he could reward or punish it later. The phone has a purpose. If you're going to point to what we observe in nature, then you must describe the whole picture.

God doesn't desire a personal relationship with everything he creates - it's just man. Like you rightly said every designed product has its purpose. God desires that (personal relationship and reverence) from the product called Man. And when the product (like that Iphone) is not fulfilling the purpose for which it was designed and attempts to repair it fail, it will be discarded, shredded, burnt or destroyed . So it will be with any man who fails to fulfill the purpose for existence and does not take advantage of God's attempts to repair him.

Weah96:
On first impression, a Rolex watch looks like it was made by something with consciousness. That is true. But there is an additional factor that requires equal consideration. Humans don't design Rolexes to talk to it. Designed products have a purpose.

Man is constantly seeking to make products that can interact with him. That's why everyday we get to hear of smarter and smarter gadgets which are interactive. By the time these fields (Artificial Intelligence, Brain-Computer Interface, Robotics, Speech recognition, Virtual and Argumented reality) are ripe, man would have gotten to the point where his products can fully interact with him the way he wants

P0intBlank:


The Bible is filled with many fulfilled prophecies. These prophecies were not vague but in many cases detailed. Those words were spoken several years or centuries before the said events came to pass. It could only be someone who knows the end from the beginning that could do so.

Bible also contains instructions (more like a product manual where the product in this case is man). If followed, man would live a happy and fulfilled life.

No ancient book has faced as much opposition as the bible. It has suffered more vicious attacks and attempts to destroy it than any other book in history. From early Roman Emperors like Diocletian, through communist dictators and on to modern-day atheists and agnostics, the Bible has withstood and outlasted all of its attackers and is still today the most widely published book in the world. I believe it withstood these oppositions because it was divine. Whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world.




God doesn't desire a personal relationship with everything he creates - it's just man. Like you rightly said every designed product has its purpose. God desires that (personal relationship and reverence) from the product called Man. And when the product (like that Iphone) is not fulfilling the purpose for which it was designed and attempts to repair it fail, it will be discarded, shredded, burnt or destroyed . So it will be with any man who fails to fulfill the purpose for existence and does not take advantage of God's attempts to repair him.



Man is constantly seeking to make products that can interact with him. That's why everyday we get to hear of smarter and smarter gadgets which are interactive. By the time these fields (Artificial Intelligence, Brain-Computer Interface, Robotics, Speech recognition, Virtual and Argumented reality) are ripe, man would have gotten to the point where his products can fully interact with him the way he wants

A brilliant piece you have here sire....
But you have to know.....the individual you're postin' tis' to would eternally waste your time.

He's bent on followin' the wrong path inspite of warnin' s and hard facts against his evil Journey.....

KingEbukasBlog:

dinosaurs to cows

To birds, blogger.

BossTtdiamonds:


A brilliant piece you have here sire....
But you have to know.....the individual you're postin' tis' to would eternally waste your time.

He's bent on followin' the wrong path inspite of warnin' s and hard facts against his evil Journey.....

Thanks for your advice. They are two categories of doubters: (1) those who have questions and are looking for proof and (2) those whose minds are already made up and can't be persuaded even if shown proof. If he belongs to the latter I would rest my case.

P0intBlank:
I used to have my doubts. I wondered whether my belief in a God was only because I had been told so. Today I harbor no such thoughts. I have experienced firsthand the miraculous. I just had to admit: it could only have been God.

One question for the logical thinkers: Have you ever seen an intelligently designed product that has no maker? If no, why do u think Man or the universe so intricately crafted would have no creator?

No Doubt God Really Exist... But reading from the comment of most Atheist here, i think they all had a problem At there youthful Age.. But The Question About Religion [Its man made)


But God Exists …… May God Forgive Them All

KingEbukasBlog:


"The bible was pretty clear " - that's how shallow atheists accommodate their unbelief and reassure themselves that life as it is does not necessitate a designer .

Lol... What's it with u and design? How does that change the fact that your God does not exist?
No one knows how the world came to be... Weather designed or not... It is pretty clear that man does not know and so people like you have made up a God they cimmunicate with in their head only and knows he hates when a man desires sex or lies to his friend, but is willing to destroy the whole world over something he cannot control. And oh, he is a writer.