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Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by mikolo80: 12:11am On May 19, 2016 |
mekaboy:he sideline south west. he did not maintain anything. he was just lucky that oil did not crash during his time. he is definitely one of the luckiest men to walk the face of the earth. chop alone die alone, amaechi shared his loot with voters |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by Nobody: 1:37am On May 19, 2016 |
cktheluckyman:was he nt from a minority tribe b4 we voted him in 2011?d truth is if he had performd wel we would hv stil voted him in 2015..jonathan hs no charisma n he is highly indecisive.4get d fact dat we found ourselves in dis circumstancis now..truth b told,parts of wat we ar suferin now stems from his administration..n i even tank God we voted buhari now f nt we n our generatns unborn would hv bn regretin d buhari's kind of leadership we neva had...now nobody can com n tel me poo abt how we needed d buharis type of leadership... |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by Adminisher: 3:15am On May 19, 2016 |
We voted President Jonathan out for not being a President. |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by PaulkillermanAg(m): 3:44am On May 19, 2016 |
Hengineer:u have written well, but blaming our electrical woes on political rivalry is a very stupid and myopic thing to do.... It doesn't portray you as sensible... People blowing up pipelines are simply criminals, when it comes to issues of national developments I shouldn't start politicising it, it makes u look like an animalistic fool... Blacks have a fundamental problem, they behavvand think like pigs , no projections, no plan, just live our lives like primitive animals, that everything must end here and now, same reason Africa has never advanced and will never will... ** I curse the day i became a Blackman ** |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by bender79: 5:19am On May 19, 2016 |
wordychap:My friend what are you saying? Foreign reserve that was already depleted under his watch? How much did Obj leave for him? I don't know why you call a spade another thing...At over a 100 dollars / per barrel of crude your 'hero' had every oppiyrtunity to save but simply didn't. |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by Hengineer: 6:01am On May 19, 2016 |
PaulkillermanAg:You know you didnt have to insult me with those very distasteful words to pass your simple message right?... I wasnt the one who made you a black man, I am not the one blowing up the pipelines and I am equally irked, frustrated and infuriated by the activities of the miscreants who have sworn to keep Nigerians in darkness. So why on earth did you have to insult me so badly? We are only here to air our views I believe, and like I said, the issue of continually blowing up gas pipelines and interrupting gas supply to power stations is one problem which has totally defied logical explanation. And it has apparently increased lately with different criminal groups threatening and making strange demands like the release of Dasuki etc. You cant blame me for attributing its recent upsurge to politics. |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by Hengineer: 6:30am On May 19, 2016 |
wordychap:Not a single acknowledgement of the influence of the oil prices? Nigeria's economy has always been tied to oil prices, that's what happens when an economy is dependent on a single product. Whenever oil prices rise, Nigeria's gdp and economy booms, whenever oil prices drops, our economy drops. GEJ even with the best economic team ever, could not save the Naira from crashing from N160 to N220 to a dollar within 6 months when the oil prices started dropping. As at the time the naira dropped to N220-N230, oil prices were still about $60-$65 and the currency was on a steady decline, so also was Nigeria's gdp growth which had crashed to about 2.3%, and all these happened under GEJ despite his 'world class' economic team. I do not need to remind you that the oil prices had eventually dropped further to even below $30 since GEJ left power, hence the continued slide of Nigeria into further recession. It is quite myopic to just join the crowd to think this obvious glaring trend has anything to do with 'world class' economic team. 1 Like |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by pkang: 7:57am On May 19, 2016 |
histemple: Why if I may ask. |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by mekaboy(m): 8:05am On May 19, 2016 |
bender79: Is this administration saving ? NO. What did they do with 3 billion dollars in 1 year? How come they are paying more subsidy than Gej? |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by histemple: 8:06am On May 19, 2016 |
pkang: Jonathan is vulnerable and too compromising that he most times, want to please everybody. Buhari knows nothing in democracy. He is a fantastic army officer who believes in the use of force to get the job done. Moreso, good military men don't always listens to people.j |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by histemple: 8:07am On May 19, 2016 |
pkang: Jonathan is vulnerable and too compromising that he most times, want to please everybody. Buhari knows nothing in democracy. He is a fantastic army officer who believes in the use of force to get the job done. Moreso, good military men don't always listens to people except their superiors----in this case Buhari is the uncommanded commander. |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by mekaboy(m): 8:13am On May 19, 2016 |
Hengineer: Listen oil price is not the reason we r buying dollars for 350 in the parallel market. 1, the time buhari spent in forming his cabinet. 2, lack of planning and foresight of his economic team. 3, His stubbornness, refusal to take the right steps at the right time. Eg. if he has listened to sound economic reasoning from the beginning and allowed complete deregulation of petrol. Speculation would not have taken over the market. He refuses to do the right thing and when it has caused a lot of damage he turns around to do it. Same will be done to the currency soon. He said there is nothing like subsidy and that subsidy is a fraud, how come he is paying more than Gej? So the current reason for this is mismanagement and not solely oil price. 1 Like |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by pkang: 8:16am On May 19, 2016 |
PaulkillermanAg: Well am so sorry to disagree with u. When Obama became Americans president d very first time he promised not to fight any nation or country. If am not mistaken, he promised to wither all his soldiers from Iraq but what has happened today. There is no administration that stealing is not going on even in the current. I kinda blame P GEJ for one thing, allowing d Hausas in his govt. I would have dropped all of them and worked with the SS N SE. Now we know Lai Mohammed went to borrow secretly and so are other stealing done secretly in this govt. only time will tell. Jonathan never sky rocketed corruption just that he was working hence his effort is felt in the power, road, transportation, education agriculture even in auto mobiles. Even with the corruption u all are shouting he did best. I love, my children will learn more from him and correct mistakes he(GEJ) made and this Country still loves the smile from his face. His wife, a wonderful woman who will not let her man be intimidated. No one has ever seen the president without procedures and I know u haven't either. Bros, learn to love, it pays. |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by mekaboy(m): 8:16am On May 19, 2016 |
histemple: You have seen that the commander knows nothing about economics and administration. He has caused Nigeria more harm than Gej in 5 years. His lack of economic direction has worsened the economic situation. His stubbornness makes him take decisions he would have taken long ago when it's already late. |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by wordychap: 8:19am On May 19, 2016 |
bender79:Obj left about 43billion dollars in d foreign reserve for the Yaradua/GEJ ERS When there was world economic meltdown around 2008,2009 , Nigeria was one of d countries that didn't feel it and didn't go for internaional financial assistance; that's what our foreign reserve did for us our reserve had to be used to save d naira. By d time GEJ took over and throughout his stay, his Government subsidized fuel for Nigerians such that we didn't have scarcity, that was at a cost of a lot of money, businesses boomed, the agricultural sector boomed ,Industries did well, lots of money was pumped in to d economy that's y Nigerians fared well generally through his era and he left a BOOMING economy, 30 BILLION dollars foreign reserve among other things. Under buhari's watch, lots of civil servants have lost their jobs, industries have folded up, prices of things v soared; that's d effect of a government withholding money from d economy. Truth b told, Nigeria has NEVER had it this bad and hey, this is not d first time price of oil has dropped in Nigeria. |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by wordychap: 8:22am On May 19, 2016 |
Hengineer:He spent too much money to ensure there was no fuel scarcity in d country in his era, he increased minimum wage, increased d work force immensely; this cost lots of money. In 2010 when he came in, average crude oil price was 77dollars- check d data.n higher crude prices meant higher subsidy paid, in 2011 it was 107 dollars, 2012 it was 109 dollars, use average crude prices BC it drops n rises n he subsidized fuel to everyone when fuel was expensive throughput those periods 1 Like |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by TheNonce: 8:31am On May 19, 2016 |
mekaboy: Go and ask the buffon personally at the bar behind his house in otueke! ***Slaps the pained wailers lips*** |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by bender79: 9:06am On May 19, 2016 |
wordychap:The economy was already collapsing at the tail of Gej administration...Even if he was re elected, things would have stood the same...so don't teach me nonsense |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by wordychap: 9:18am On May 19, 2016 |
bender79:The economy was not collapsing dollar was about 220 in black market against 198 official rate. If GEJ was reelected, he had a very good economic team, DEFinitely d naira would have been depreciated some months ago, subsidy would still have gone but his economic team would v managed it better than this buhari's, its not about d president per say, its about getting d best hands to do d job.Things would definitely not be as bad as this. But I'm glad he didn't win so Nigeria will redefine itself. Buhari should get off his high horse and get better hands to manage our economy Nigeria is already in recession in his 1st year in office. |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by Emmalex83: 9:43am On May 19, 2016 |
PaulkillermanAg: that's ur own perspective on Jonathan. but let me tell u if it was u u will even dro more than he did. let me tell u, if d investigate d regimes of heads of States starting from bababgida - Jonathan regime u will know that Jonathan is a learner on corruption. is just because u hate him that u see anything good in him. te way am seeing this regime would b worse than any other regime because d lack direction 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by 9jalyte: 9:53am On May 19, 2016 |
papparatzzi2013: Sorry, your problem is spiritual, stop blaming GEJ. 1 Like |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by Ovamboland(m): 10:09am On May 19, 2016 |
mekaboy: The people of Rivers did not follow Amaechis recommendations for governor, so we can assume they were not satisfied with his stewardship, hope they're having it good with the new governor. Same way GEJ was voted out to try another face. The end result will tell if we need to continue or try another face. You don't get up in the middle of a corrective surgery , once you submitted yourself to the surgeon, you let him complete the procedure and evaluate the levels of recovery to know if you need second opinion. You can't runaway from some pain and blood loss including scar at the end |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by SirREX94: 10:10am On May 19, 2016 |
cktheluckyman:5% tins, e pain dem sha! |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by Hengineer: 10:16am On May 19, 2016 |
mekaboy:Sorry, I know you simply derive pleasure in passing blames to persons you do not politically agree with, but that cannot make a fact to stop being a fact; the N350 exchange rate is fully tied to the scarcity of forex and this scarcity is a child of low oil prices and low oil production/export. So Mr Blame, I asked a question earlier, if you think it has nothing to do with oil price but has everything to do with your political enemy (Buhari) being useless, can you please explain what was responsible for these scenarios below: - Between October 2014 to May 2015, the value of the Naira dropped sharply from N160 to about N220/N230. - Within this said period, the CBN and the undisputable 'world class' economic team struggled to maintain the value of the Naira and a whooping $10billion was spent in the period to support the Naira (our forex reserves fell from $38bn in Oct/Nov 2014 to $28bn in May 2015), yet the Naira still fell from N160 to N220/N230 in few months upon the $10bn spent in defending it. http://www.cenbank.org/intops/reserve.asp Now with the above 2 scenarios, are you also trying to insult your GEJ and his fantastically wonderful world class economic team of being clueless too? Now everyone knows the oil price further nosedived to as low as $28 at some point and that was when the Naira value further slipped beyond N270 to up to even N400 and then back to stabilise around N320. Everyone also knows that the CBN has since the inception of this administration has not been able to defend the Naira because we have run out of forex to do that, hence the Naira has slipped much further. But sadly, a lot of educated and supposedly enlightened people for the sake of some flimsy political prejudice against Buhari choose to turn a blind eye to these factual trends by playing ignorant. bros park well oh! |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by papparatzzi2013: 10:48am On May 19, 2016 |
9jalyte: Yours is metaphysical. 1 Like |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by mekaboy(m): 11:45am On May 19, 2016 |
Hengineer: When the oil was $ 30 some months ago, dollar was around 315 318 at parralel and now it is $46 dollar is now 350. It's expected that as oil goes up dollar comes down, why is the reverse the case with this competent administration? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by Hengineer: 12:32pm On May 19, 2016 |
mekaboy:I'm sure you know the answer to your question. In your desperate attempt to scratch out a political explanation and argument, you continue to feign amnesia on even things that happened just last week. |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by bender79: 1:19pm On May 19, 2016 |
wordychap:OK Okonjo Iweala was such a wonderful manager and yet she borrowed to pay salaries ...pls let us keep our sentiments to ourselves It is apparent we can't change our minds about the way we feel. |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by mekaboy(m): 2:55pm On May 19, 2016 |
Hengineer: Not lasg week alone. The incompetence and inconsistencies of the govt give room for speculation. Like it or not it affects the cost of living negatively . If they continue to say one thing and do the other we will never have balance and our economic growth will come to a halt. The difference between Gej and buhari is the ability to create balance in the face of challenges. Not running around confused. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by Hengineer: 4:34pm On May 19, 2016 |
mekaboy:A balance such as the Naira value nosediving from N160 to N220 in few months despite the fact that the CBN pumped in $10billion to defend it and despite the world class economic team and despite the fact that oil prices were still relatively high ~$65 as at the time GEJ was handing over? With the announcement that petroleum marketers would no longer get forex at the official rates, speculators instantly played in and started hoarding forex in the parallel market forcing it to jump to N350. You claim not to know about that but you only know about how it is Buhari's fault and incompetence? Bro, you are nothing but a deeply prejudiced buhari hater who has no argument but is just desperately looking for a way to blame buhari. The irony is that if this needless blame game is reciprocated by pointing out the glaring indiscretions of GEJ which overwhelmingly contributed to this mess, your type begins to cry foul and accuse everyone of blaming the past. |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by mekaboy(m): 5:24pm On May 19, 2016 |
Hengineer: I don't care how bitter u get about this, the truth remains that buhari is confused and knows nothing about economics. The video is there for u to see your president say subsidy is a scam. The same president came in after 2 months said he does not know what is subsidy. This led to major scarcity, which banks even had to close by 12 because they could not run gen. Then he says they are no longer paying subsidy. From there went to price modulation. While all this was happening, he was going around forcing people to sell at 86 when they got from alternative sources. Finally he gets to allow marketers source from parralel and still put a price on it, which will lead to future discouragement. All this confusion caused by his ignorance affects the growth and stability of the country. Do I include the appointment of ministers delay or budget. But local and foriegn investors are confused by the administration. Nobody will want to invest in a country where the president says one thing today and does another 2morow. Then you wonder why we don't have inflow of investors. That's the balance in GEJs administration that lacks in buharis administration. Even Obasanjo said years ago that buhari is not a good adminstrator. And it's clear to all today. Can u tell the next move of this administration? |
Re: Why Exactly Was GEJ Voted Out? by Hengineer: 5:35pm On May 19, 2016 |
mekaboy:With the 'balance' of GEj, what did he reduce Nigeria to as soon as oil prices began to crash? Being a person who's desperate to nail buhari, you will certainly not understand this little concept, but investors dont take their moneys to a place where money isnt flowing. Even with the difficulty to do business in Nigeria and the overwhelming fantastic corruption, the only reason those portfolio investors were running in was because there was so much money flowing in the Nigerian system, courtesy of the unprecedented high oil prices in those years. "NO MONEY, NO FRIEND" I'm sure we are all familiar with that statement?... but you are free to keep putting the blame on PMB, someone just has to be blamed and PMB is the best target being the president. But this does not xhange the fact that any comparison between the present recession and the past admin which doesnt take into consideration, the oil prices and the fact that nigeria producez only oil, such comparison is meaningless bullcrap. 1 Like |
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