Weah96:


You have put forth the argument for deism. What you have yet to address is the existence of Yahweh as this creator in question.
Even if an open minded person is willing to concedea deliberate design by an unknown source, you must still show them why the source is Yahweh.

You are tasked with providing proof that Yahweh exists. Everyone already knows that the universe had a beginning and may choose to interpret that information according to his own discretion. You must show me why the beginning was in fact the resurrected Jew from Palestine called Jesus.

We can see that your beef is with Jesus Christ, it is not that you are really an atheist.
You would have said that in another thread, not wether "atheist or not" forum.

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DeSepiero:


Lmao This isn't far from you.

Lolzzzz I get your point my friend. But that was the only point I could deduce. Sometimes you gotta quote from scriptures to prove your points.

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lordnicklaus what did i tell you from the on set of this thread, you'll get no reasonable discussion or debate.

this is just another trolling heaven where unrelated epileptic arguments and ad hominems are regurgitated.

Its not about opening the thread like i said earlier, it's about the caliber og people in it..

. May moderators lock this thread sef

urahara:

Na so personality disorder dey start o. u don dey form alter ego

Yea, reminds me of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.

hturb:
I'm willing to answer any athiest logically..Gods the God I serve yahweh is logical.. U can see the proof all around u.

Okay. Why is Yahweh so evil?

lordnicklaus:



Yea, reminds me of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.

Lol.

rawgame:
Please my questions will be a little bit science inclined. Questions to Atheists:

A. Does this make sense to you?
EVERYTHING= NOBODY + NOTHING

Yes.

rawgame:

B. Mathematics is a perfect science and the foundation of Einstein’s Theory of Relativity, which provided proof that the universe and time itself had a beginning. Since nothing comes from nothing, what option does that leave us?

There was always "something".

rawgame:

C. Einstein also discovered that we live in a world of time, space and matter. How did the bible get this right? In Gen. 1:1

In the beginning (time), God created (energy) the heavens (space) and the earth (matter).

That scripture also incorporates a three-dimensional world. Which was later stipulated by Einstein as time space and matter. How did the author of the bible get that right?

We always knew we lived in a world of time, space and matter. Einstein described it better for us.

The Bible is still wrong though. We live in a four dimensional universe.

lordnicklaus:



Yea, reminds me of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.

And later when d problem go start ebuka will start blaming devil for hos personality disorder

lordnicklaus:



Yea, reminds me of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.

And later when d problem go start ebuka will start blaming devil for his personality disorder

johnydon22:
lordnicklaus what did i tell you from the on set of this thread, you'll get no reasonable discussion or debate.

this is just another trolling heaven where unrelated epileptic arguments and ad hominems are regurgitated.

Its not about opening the thread like i said earlier, it's about the caliber og people in it..

Yea, you are right. I have only started a tantrum war. No one brings up a good point, everyone just wants to lead the discussion. Well except Weah96, urahara and some other peeps who debate in a matured way.......

lordnicklaus:



Yea, you are right. I have only started a tantrum war. No one brings up a good point, everyone just wants to lead the discussion. Well except Weah96, urahara and some other peeps who debate in a matured way.......

Exactly!!! i'm sorry but i have gone past the stage of engaging in such meaningless mostly egoistic infantilebsquabbles...

Did you notice the difference between this and the Cosmological and Philosophical forum, the difference is the level of minds on them.

rawgame:


It is scientifically proven that we live in a universe of cause and effects(because the universe is not without the dimension of time) so the universe cannot be eternal. But without the dimension of time there will be no cause and effect. Therefore God has not need of being created but created time(see my initial post below) dimension so that cause and effect would exist for us.

However, God created time, cause and effect would never apply to his existence. So, God is eternal and the universe is clearly not



CC: SirWere Weah96 Desepiero dblackninja

To be frank, you're seriously speculating.

thehomer:


Okay. Why is Yahweh so evil?

...pls b4 I reply u,I need to knw ur definition of evil?

johnydon22:


Exactly!!! i'm sorry but i have gone past the stage of engaging in such meaningless mostly[b] egoistic infantilebsquabbles...[/b]

Did you notice the difference between this and the Cosmological and Philosophical forum, the difference is the level of minds on them.

Choiii . Omo see as u just dey tear grammar. Ah . ah . only u .

thehomer:


Yes.

I stopped replying mentions when i notice they are based upon premises such a person is ignorant of, you shouldn't have bothered.

what people fail to grasp is, if you take the universe and everything to a state of nothingness, that means nothing exists and if nothing exists then there are no laws, not motion, not cause and effect or gravity, thermodynamics because there is nothing.

so if there is no cause and effect law then the universe even universes are fully capable of generating themselves.

secondly 'CAUSE and Effect' also is epileptic in the quantum scale; subatomic particles has been noticed to speed up all by themselves without any external force acting on them, particles pop in and out of existence (quantum fluctuation)

but yet science does not propose nothing, theist only think "nothing" because that which science propose is not "God"

There was always "something".

Exactly and we do not know of events before the Big Bang or even the nature of the universe we live in

if there are certain critical amount of matter in the universe then universe will continue to expand forever.

if there are more matter in the universe then the gravitational effect will be enough to reverse the expansion and thus crunching everything back into a small point.

which if is correct science then thinks the universe is an eternal cycle, expansion,;contraction and expansion.. this big bang then might not be the first; only or last...

We always knew we lived in a world of time, space and matter. Einstein described it better for us.

The Bible is still wrong though. We live in a four dimensional universe.

sure 3spartial dimensions plus time

it's a waste of time teaching one who pull off scientific conjectures they don't even understand just to argue.

lordnicklaus:
There actually weren't any atheists on the boat in Jonah's story. In fact every man called out to his god (Jonah 1:5) @ hturb.

...its y I said in times of trouble every1 wants a helper..even athiest will call on watever to deliver them.

Johnny , why have u stopped writing in italics , just curious

urahara:
Johnny , why have u stopped writing in italics , just curious

One mod like that chop me ban on top that bold italics matter

johnydon22:


One mod like that chop me ban on top that bold italics matter

Why ? wot nonsense

urahara:


Why ? wot nonsense

No vex, i am quite enjoying this too

johnydon22:


No vex, i am quite enjoying this too

It was way cool when u typed in italics , although it was a lil bit difficult to read

hturb:
...pls b4 I reply u,I need to knw ur definition of evil?

Needlessly causing people to suffer.

johnydon22:
I stopped replying mentions when i notice they are based upon premises such a person is ignorant of, you shouldn't have bothered.

what people fail to grasp is, if you take the universe and everything to a state of nothingness, that means nothing exists and if nothing exists then there are no laws, not motion, not cause and effect or gravity, thermodynamics because there is nothing.

so if there is no cause and effect law then the universe even universes are fully capable of generating themselves.

secondly 'CAUSE and Effect' also is epileptic in the quantum scale; subatomic particles has been noticed to speed up all by themselves without any external force acting on them, particles pop in and out of existence (quantum fluctuation)

but yet science does not propose nothing, theist only think "nothing" because that which science propose is not "God"



Exactly and we do not know of events before the Big Bang or even the nature of the universe we live in

if there are certain critical amount of matter in the universe then universe will continue to expand forever.

if there are more matter in the universe then the gravitational effect will be enough to reverse the expansion and thus crunching everything back into a small point.

which if is correct science then thinks the universe is an eternal cycle, expansion,;contraction and expansion.. this big bang then might not be the first; only or last...



sure 3spartial dimensions plus time

it's a waste of time teaching one who pull off scientific conjectures they don't even understand just to argue.

Right on all counts.

I just have some spare time and have decided to poke these religious folks a bit. It used to be the case that they would accuse non-believers of just dumping quotes from scientists. Now we have religious people who just dump articles and when pressed, find themselves unable to defend the article.

thehomer:


Right on all counts.

I just have some spare time and have decided to poke these religious folks a bit. It used to be the case that they would accuse non-believers of just dumping quotes from scientists. Now we have religious people who just dump articles and when pressed, find themselves unable to defend the article.

Its mostly sad when you don't really understand the scientific thesis you used...

there is another thing i noticed that is laughable, theists open threads trying hard to reconcile scientific facts with their religious texts.

you see threads like 'Science agrees with the bible' where they try hard to reinterpret religious texts to mean what they want.

when you open such a thread you'll still see a situation when evolution comes up, the same person who opened the thread will be the same to say science is nonsensical and irrational propelled by the devil..

outrightly deny and talk down on the same science you are begging to agree with your religious texts.

it's hilarious

most of these arguments are based on emotions and gut feelings rather than intellectual curiosity and honesty

Weah96:


You have put forth the argument for deism. What you have yet to address is the existence of Yahweh as this creator in question.
Even if an open minded person is willing to concedea deliberate design by an unknown source, you must still show them why the source is Yahweh.

You are tasked with providing proof that Yahweh exists. Everyone already knows that the universe had a beginning and may choose to interpret that information according to his own discretion. You must show me why the beginning was in fact the resurrected Jew from Palestine called Jesus.

...I'm going to give u a task to determine if my wife exists.....3 hours gone no reply!!!...u will never knw because uve never spoken to her,neither have u seen her,or knw her name..buh she is ryt here on my bed...so is it with my yahweh I speak with him,and I see his answers In my everyday life and his name is yahweh...lemme ask u sum else uve never seen ur great grandparents ryt ,y don't u walk up 2 ur dad and say they don't exists,because uve never seen dem or spoken to them,or hw does ur dad knw ur surname is really the name u are supposd to bear,ur dad believes since that was the name he was told and that goes up to ur grandparents and down to the big bang of notin u where created frm...whether u will ever believee or not yahweh spoke to pipo in d past,he is still speaking today...the fact evry1 speaks of him shws he exists...and sumtin u get wrong the bible is not a 100% proof money back gaurantee guide that shws God exist.its a road map that shws hw pipo in the past had a relationship with him by being righteous,it encourages u to do same then u will see him through the words of jesus christ "read his teachings no man spoke and will ever be able to speak like him"...ifu find a man who speaks like jesus I wld luv 2 meet him..God bless

johnydon22:


Its mostly sad when you don't really understand the scientific thesis you used...

there is another thing i noticed that is laughable, theists open threads trying hard to reconcile scientific facts with their religious texts.

you see threads like 'Science agrees with the bible' where they try hard to reinterpret religious texts to mean what they want.

when you open such a thread you'll still see a situation when evolution comes up, the same person who opened the thread will be the same to say science is nonsensical and irrational propelled by the devil..

outrightly deny and talk down on the same science you are begging to agree with your religious texts.

it's hilarious

most of these arguments are based on emotions and gut feelings rather than intellectual curiosity and honesty

For example ,


They say " let there be light " in the book of genesis is an obvious proof that moses knew about the big bang , but what they do not know is that for hundreds of thousands of years after the big bang the universe was devoid of a single photon of light . and they confuse the big bang to mean an explosion of some sort .



The kind of tight spots christians put themselves in when they try to use science to prove primitive myths as the truth.

thehomer:


Yes.

As in, like seriously? OK then you are little different because most Atheists will not want to answer this as it will make them sound ridiculous.

thehomer:



There was always "something".

This is getting interesting, what if I may ask? But you just admitted that this equation makes sense
NOBODY+NOTHING=EVERYTHING

thehomer:




We always knew we lived in a world of time, space and matter. Einstein described it better for us.

My emphasis was that Einstein actually made a discovery(which means it was not known) that the universe comprises of these basic components. This discovery was parallel which a Biblical account. Moreover, Einstein also stipulated that this components had a beginning.

thehomer:



The Bible is still wrong though. We live in a four dimensional universe.

Your definition of dimension is most likely that of spacetime then which is on a spatial(length, breath and height) and temporal(time) basis which makes it four in all. You are also correct anyway. But there are other definitions of dimensions. Dimensions could also be regarded as aspects or attributes. Which also makes me correct in this regard. However, I was also concerned with that of a physicist. "physical properties that are regarded as fundamental measures of a physical quantity." I hope you understand me?

rawgame:

As in, like seriously? OK then you are little different because most Atheists will not want to answer this as it will make them sound ridiculous.



This is getting interesting, what if I may ask? But you just admitted that this equation makes sense
NOBODY+NOTHING=EVERYTHING



My emphasis was that Einstein actually made a discovery(which means it was not known) that the universe comprises of these basic components. This discovery was parallel which a Biblical account. Moreover, Einstein also stipulated that this components had a beginning.



Your definition of dimension is most likely that of spacetime then which is on a spatial(length, breath and height) and temporal(time) basis which makes it four in all. You are also correct anyway. But there are other definitions of dimensions. Dimensions could also be regarded as aspects or attributes. Which also makes me correct in this regard. However, I was also concerned with that of a physicist. "physical properties that are regarded as fundamental measures of a physical quantity." I hope you understand me?

Dimension simply means "direction". Not "attributes".

Accept that you're wrong. I a one dimensional plane you can only go in two directions, in a 2 Dimensional plane you can go in 4 directions and so on and so forth. Energy is not a dimension.

Why do theists immediately jump to the "something can't come from nothing" argument?

even as invalid add that argument is, they hold on to it with their dear lives. Ask them to argue that their god is the true god and their problems begin.

Fact remains that all religions are the same. Lousy creation stories, crappy holy book, a god that some how comes from nothing and conrete proof for any of them is non existent