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Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 11:51pm On Aug 11, 2016
Mr Seun, This thread was inspired by your quote in a reply to KingEbukaNaija in this thread. The quote is posted below;

Seun:
Bleep those communists, though that's the past and doesn't apply to 2016 atheists.

I think there's a strong case to be made for anti-theism. Religious people are really suffering under the yoke of beliefs that are not true. cry



Now, this is quite funny because people suffer under the yoke of anything, it could be marriage, carrer, or just anything. For this reason, you cannot coerse people to drop these "yokes" just because you want them to. That is exactly what anti-theism seeks to do. The effects of such coersions could be deadly.

History is a very vital tool in making inferences and adjustments. Philosophers built on the existing ideas of historical philosophers. Evolutionists built on the ideas of early evolutionits. Atheists point to history (crusades, witchcraft burnings etc) to justify the claim that christianity is violent. However, when christians point to history to prove that atheism has been more violent than all religion combined together, we get to hear such things as: deluded, lying for jesus, that was history etc.

Most atheists love to claim that atheism had nothing to do with communist ideology or that communism was another religious ideology, we will let the communist leaders speak for themselves in their own words. Here are more quotes from communist atheists who express their goal to create an atheist society and you can notice many of their ideals are shared by today's atheists (especially that the eradication of religion leading to a better and more equal society):





"The criticism of religion is the prerequisite of all criticism. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. ... The criticism of religion disillusions man, so that he will think, act, and fashion his reality like a man who has discarded his illusions and regained his senses ..."- Karl Marx, A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right, 1844


"As socialism grows, religion will disappear. Its disappearance must be done by social development, in which education must play a part."- Karl Marx, Interview with Karl Marx, Chicago Tribune, January 5 1879


"We want to sweep away everything that claims to be supernatural and superhuman, and thereby get rid of untruthfulness, for the root of all untruth and Lying is the pretension of the human and the natural to be superhuman and supernatural. For that reason we have once and for all declared war on religion and religious ideas ..."- Friedrich Engels (co- founder of Marxist theory), Review of Thomas Carlyle's Past
and Present, 1844



"The Communist Party of the Soviet Union is guided by the conviction that only conscious and deliberate planning of all the social and economic activities of the masses will cause religious prejudices to die out. The Party strives for the complete dissolution of the ties between the exploiting classes and the organizations of religious propaganda, facilitates the real emancipation of the working masses from religious prejudices and organizes the widest possible scientific educational and anti-religious propaganda."- Political Program of the CPSU (Communist Party of the Soviet Union), adopted March 22, 1919 at the Eighth Congress of the Russian Communist Party, section 13


"We must deepen a revolutionary world-outlook, we must fight the religious prejudices in the youth and approach the youth, including those having religious prejudices, with the maximum pedagogical attentiveness of the more educated towards the less educated. We must go to them with the propaganda of atheism, for only this propaganda defines the place of man in the universe and draws out for him a circle of conscious activity here on earth."- Leon Trotsky, The Position of the Republic and the Tasks of Young Workers, 1922


“Scientific communism, in its judgements concerning natural phenomena, is guided by the data of the natural sciences, which are in irreconcilable conflict with all religious imaginings. … In practice, no less than in theory, communism is incompatible with religious faith. … THE TRANSITION FROM SOCIALISM TO COMMUNISM … WILL BRING ABOUT THE NATURAL DEATH OF ALL RELIGION AND ALL SUPERSTITION.”- N.I. Bukharin and E. Preobrazhensky: The ABC of Communism, Chapter 11: Communism and Religion, 1922


“Communist society will bury forever all mysticism, religion, prejudice and superstition and will give a powerful impetus to the development of all-conquering, scientific knowledge. ... One of the most important tasks of the cultural revolution affecting the wide masses, is the task of systematically and unswervingly combating religion-the opium of the people. ... the proletarian State ... carries on anti-religious propaganda with all the means at its command and reconstructs the whole of its educational work, on the basis of scientific materialism.” - The Programme of the Communist International. Comintern Sixth Congress 1929


“It is furthermore imperative to put the propaganda of atheism on solid ground. … It is necessary to produce a book on the church's struggle against science.” - Maxim Gorky (Soviet writer, a founder of the socialist realism literary method and a political activist), Letter from Gorky to Stalin, November 29, 1929, on the organization of antireligious propaganda


"We carry on and will continue to carry on propaganda against religious prejudices. ... The Party cannot be neutral towards religion and does conduct anti-religious propaganda against all and every religious prejudice because it stands for science, while religious prejudices run counter to science, because all religion is something opposite to science. ... The Party cannot be neutral towards the bearers of religious prejudices, towards the reactionary clergy who poison the minds of the toiling masses. Have we suppressed the reactionary clergy? Yes, we have. The unfortunate thing is that it has not been completely liquidated. Anti-religious propaganda is a means by which the complete liquidation of the reactionary clergy must be brought about."- Joseph Stalin (the leader of the Soviet Union from the mid-1920s until his death in 1953), Questions & Answers to American Trade Unionists: Stalin's Interview With the First American Trade Union Delegation to Soviet Russia,1927



“Our program of antireligious propaganda consists of the masses not only breaking ties with churches but also overcoming elements of religious consciousness. We should help them free themselves of all traces of religious consciousness, help them cultivate a scientific, materialistic
understanding of the world to free them of all elements of religiosity-this is the goal of our program. To separate not only church from state, but also the individual from the church. This program is being fulfilled by propaganda, by organizing our Union of Militant Godless. It is carried out in literature, in public rallies, in our newspapers, magazines, books, brochures, theatres, movies, radio. … Our party program regarding religion
shows that freeing the masses from religion is related to how successfully we will implement planning of all facets of economic life in our country. This means, when we are able to organize our economy so that every worker, every peasant will know that the result of his work depends only on his collective or individual efforts and does not depend on any other powers, only then will the masses be free from religion."
- Yemelyan
Yaroslavsky, Conversation between IAroslavskii and an American delegation headed by Sherwood Eddy, August 2, 1932, concerning antireligious propaganda




"A person cannot act correctly, cannot act in an organized manner as a Communist, as a Leninist, if his brain is poisoned by religion. In order to overcome the tremendous difficulties which confront us; in order to remold the world as the working class and the peasantry want it to be; in order to subjugate all the forces of nature and compel them to work for the welfare of mankind; in order to change social relationships from top to bottom; in order to eradicate war between nations, to exterminate poverty from the face of the earth—it is necessary that every person, that every peasant and worker sees things as they are, without the intervention of gods, saints, angels, fiends, goblins, were-wolves, and other spirits, good or evil."Yemelyan Yaroslavsky (the head of the League of Militant Godless), Religion in the U.S.S.R., 1934



"The overthrow of religious authority and the eradication of superstition are going on everywhere."- Mao Zedong (the founding father of the People's Republic of China, which he governed as Chairman of the Communist Party of China), REPORT ON AN INVESTIGATION OF THE PEASANT MOVEMENT IN HUNAN, 1927



"The world is nothing else but the material world in a process of unlimited development… Dialectical materialism's theory of movement is in opposition first of all with philosophical idealism and with the theological concepts of religion. The fundamental nature of all philosophical idealism and religious theology derives from their denial of the unity and material nature of the world; and in imagining that the movement and
development of the world takes place apart from matter, or took place at least in the beginning apart from matter, and is the result of the action of spirit, God, or divine forces ... All of these doctrines which think about movement apart from matter are fundamentally incompatible with dialectical materialism..."
- Mao Zedong, DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM, 1938



"We will substitute materialism for [philosophical] idealism and atheism for theism."- Mao Zedong, Examples Of Dialectics, 1959


"Party organisations must direct their most serious attention to the improvement of atheist propaganda. Anti-religious propaganda must be more offensive, combatant, more direct. . ."- Mzhavanadze (at the 20th Congress of the Georgian Communist Party), Zarya vostoka, 26 January 1960.



An editorial in Nauka i religiya ("Science and Religion", a monthly Soviet atheist journal) during 1963 spoke of the current programme of communist construction as including: "the complete and final overcoming of religious survivals and the liberation of people's consciousness from prejudices and superstition. Communism will be an atheist society, where the religious mist is finally dispelled, where people are delivered for
ever from fantastic religious representations."- Nauka i religiya 6, 1963, p. 2.



"In 1964, in accordance with the directive of the TSK KPSS [CENTRAL COMMITTEE OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF THE USSR] "Concerning Efforts to Improve the Atheist Education of the Population," a required or elective course entitled "The Fundamentals of Scientific Atheism" was introduced at institutions of higher learning. Specialized departments of scientific atheism were organized at 20 institutions of higher learning. In 1973 a new textbook entitled Scientific Atheism was published. … Different kinds of extracurricular activities such as the involvement of students in research on atheism, atheist discussion clubs and seminars, sociological surveys, atheistic propaganda for the general public, and so forth could play a major role in the atheistic education of students. Atheist clubs, which have been organized at several institutions of higher
learning (the Leningrad and Daugavpils Teachers' Institutes, the Tallin Poly technical Institute, and so forth), schools for organizers of alternative rituals, schools for young atheist lecturers, and so forth have become an effective tool for atheist education in a number of cities."
- Report by Institute for Scientific Atheism, May 21, 1974, to the Central Committee on increasing effectiveness of atheistic education among youth



"The task devolves on us to carry the revolution continuously ahead, to create and strengthen the new world-outlook in the minds and consciousness of people, who should live and think like revolutionaries, who should explain the phenomena of life, develop and settle relations among themselves, between themselves and society, no longer in the old way, no longer according to the idealist, religious, bourgeois outlook, but according to the materialist, atheist, socialist world-outlook."- Enver Hoxha (the Communist leader of Albania from 1944 to 1985, which was the first ever officially declared atheist nation in the world), ON SOME ASPECTS OF THE PROBLEM OF THE ALBANIAN WOMAN, June 15, 1967



"The religious ideology clouds the human mind and paralyses their will for the transformation of nature and society. ... The class struggle for the construction of socialism cannot be separated from the struggle against religion."- Enver Hoxha, Yugoslav "Self-Administration" - Capitalist Theory and Practice, 1978



“All worship of supernatural forces can be called superstition. Religions are superstition … Marxism says, "religion is the opiate that lulls the spirits of people, and is the tool by which the exploiting class controls the people". Marxists all oppose religion in any form. … Among the masses, there are still some ancient practices stemming from superstitions … Solving them only needs patient persuasion and a long period of cultural, scientific, and atheistic education.”- The People's Daily (an official newspaper of the Chinese Communist Party), “Religion and Feudal Superstitions”, (15 March 1979).






Seun, Here are 21st century atheists (on nairaland) who also think that christianity is a disease and must be eradicated for the Nigeria or the world to be a better place;

gatiano:
christianity is a disease. More severe than all of the earthly disease combined.

You want to stop this craze this week? simple- ban all non-ingidinous religions from Africa. Obatan, Happiness and peace would begin to rain again in Africa.

lawani:

Theology should be banned before we lose this human civilization to the war the theology will eventually cause.

This are just the ones I can lay my hands on at the moment. Most atheists here have made similar statements, but i dont really have the time to search out their comments.
However, I can post more than 2000 tweets, facebook posts or other posts on atheist forums that prove that atheists today still retain the deadly ideas of those murderous communists and wish that religion would disappear forever.

Atheists today are still as angry with God and religious people as did their predecessors. The question is, if such atheists find themselves in places of power, do you not think that they will seize such oppourtunity to actualize their dreams, which could yet result in the loss of hundred of millions of lives, just like it happened in history of atheist leaders...



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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by DeSepiero(m): 11:28am On Aug 12, 2016
Well done
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by FearGodAndLive: 11:36am On Aug 12, 2016

However, I can post more than 2000 tweets, facebook posts or other posts on atheist forums ....
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Brother, seek medical help.

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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by hopefuLandlord: 11:46am On Aug 12, 2016
FearGodAndLive:

shocked shocked shocked
Brother, seek medical help.
grin grin grin

Come on, he's a Christian like you
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Nobody: 11:47am On Aug 12, 2016
You've started again. Communism is not a religious ideology. Its not a doctrine for crying out loud. Its a system of f*cking government. Which involves the government controlling all resources and sharing things equally. Centrally planned distribution of collective wealth. It could be described as the opposite of Capitalism (Maybe the libertarian ideas are more of a polar opposite). In capitalism, most things are privately owned and the government's responsibility is basically just to uphold law and order. Socialism is like a 'toned down' version of communism, people are allowed to own private property.
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One problem with communism is scarce resources. I've told you before, communist ideas were one of the first in attempts to replace monarchial systems of government which were purported by religion. In monarchy, anything the king says goes. Imagine civilizations in Japan who were too scared to stand up for their rights because they thought that the emperor was an incarnation of the Sun god. Its for these reasons that the founders of communism decide to eliminate supernatural and superhuman beliefs that say some people get to have more than others as ordained by whatever god they serve. Breaking away from these nonsense beliefs and purporting ideas that everyone is equal. Religion had shackled people for so long, that's why you have people like Karl Marx saying they will 'carry on propaganda against religious prejudices'.
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Another problem I have with communism is that it gives too much power to the government and those that tend to be in charge later develop autotheistic tendencies in believing that they, themselves, are a form of a god - the exact same thing Marx was against. A lot of Marxist ideas are ideal but not practically usable.

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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by FearGodAndLive: 11:50am On Aug 12, 2016
hopefuLandlord:

grin grin grin

Come on, he's a Christian like you
Christianity has nothing to do with the shameless display of ignorance posted by the OP. I'm not Christian btw.

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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by hopefuLandlord: 11:53am On Aug 12, 2016
FearGodAndLive:

Christianity has nothing to do with the shameless display of ignorance posted by the OP. I'm not Christian btw.
Oh! Thought you were judging by your username

What's your religion?
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Nobody: 11:53am On Aug 12, 2016
gatiano:
christianity is a disease. More severe than all of the earthly disease combined.

You want to stop this craze this week? simple- ban all non-ingidinous religions from Africa. Obatan, Happiness and peace would begin to rain again in Africa.

lawani:

Theology should be banned before we lose this human civilization to the war the theology will eventually cause.
These quotes above are not 'deadly ideas' as you claim.

GATIANO'S POST: If you like, you can remain ignorant to the fact that Africans were simpler, happier people before these perverse religions came along.

LAWANI'S POST: Theology, i.e religious beliefs, has already done enough harm. The first popes used it for control when they married church and state together. Now turn on your TV and look at what ISIS is doing today.

I don't call for a total ban because that'd be irrational and against freedom of expression. But I think that religion should not be elevated to the level that it is today and should be more personal, to the point that no one cares but you yourself, just as nobody comes asking you on the street if your bellybutton is in or out.

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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 11:59am On Aug 12, 2016
FearGodAndLive:

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Brother, seek medical help.
Exactly what I expected. Seun denied the fact that 2016 atheists share the evil mentalities of their predecessors. I can simply prove otherwise.


Atheism has always had the tendencies to eradicate religious beliefs at all costs just because they are in places of power. You cant force people or coerce them to share your views, you especially cant take the will to believe from people.

History has shown that to get people to surrender their beliefs by force, you have to become a wild animal willing to kill people at will. This is the 20th century alone.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3861257_img20160608072904editedit_png324f3dcb52fb6336ba7a2a5721fd1832




How can we rationalize the fact almost all atheist leaders that have ever existed have been brutal in such quest.

Our of 28 countries that have been publicly declared atheistic by their leaders, they have been ruled by about 89 avowed atheists. More than 85% of these leaders have murdered ranging from tens of thousands to hundreds of millions just because they thought religion was some sort of disease that needed to be Eradicated.

Not all atheists are blind to this fact, we have some atheists who have reasonably noticed the muderous tendencies of other atheists who think religion is a disease. One of them is shown below.www.nairaland.com/attachments/3862076_112292819598598573913905687343489062003683n_png_jpegc5ebef66dc64479085bfabc6014e5468






The freedom that atheists enjoy and that allows them to say all these nonsense is mainly due to the socio-liberal freedom of christianity which was spread to several parts of the world.www.nairaland.com/attachments/4097577_1122789810693818964391852365028311777142063n_png_jpeg897da8fe73b10c634aec971b3c6ed8e3
Atheism on the other hand will suppress your fundamental human rights.


In todays [size=14pt]21st century[/size] atheistic countries, we still have serious infringements on the fundamental rights of people to freedom of worship. Like Christians held by police in chinese
government crackdown
.

hundreds of Christian pastors jailed, face being poisoned for trying to preach gospel

China bans churches' to create safe environment' for G20 summit, in another excuse for the officially atheist government to silence religious views it does not agree with?

North Korean border guards are
now watching for products coming in from China that bear
markings resembling the Christian cross and blocking their importation into the country, in a bid to eliminate all traits of christianity forever, as if prohibition of christianity was not enough.






But the truth is that, [url=evangelicalfocus.com/world/1851/Christianity_is_growing_among_Chinese_youth]if religion is left to itself, it will always grow.[/url]





Why are atheists trying to downplay the evidence we have from history, is it so they can get to places of power and satisfy their evil desires on religious people? Do they have sinister motives. This man spoke the truth.www.nairaland.com/attachments/3865859_129312006420579259463845323636223694014267n_jpeg324536a872247e306040b7d097184096









Lets take just one country out of the many countries ruled by atheists and examine

[size=14pt]RUSSIA[/size]

Vladimir Lenin
- Overthrew the Russian King (known as the "tsar" and murdered his entire family
- He instituted a campaign of mass killings and torture called the "Red Terror," which killed around 50,000 to 500,000 people.
- He executed 14,000 to 20,000 priests.
- He seized food from peasants all over the country, which worsened the Russian Famine of 1921 that ended up killing 5 million people. He explained that this was a good thing, saying, "Famine would also destroy faith not only in the tsar, but in God too."


Felix Dzerzhinsky
- He executed 250,000 to 300,000

Yemelyan Mikhailovich Yaroslavsky
- Leader of the "The Society of the Godless", which not only destroyed 6,000 historical buildings (mostly churches and monasteries) but aided the Soviet government in exterminating Christian clergy and other religious groups, reducing their number from about 50,000 to only 1,000 in Russia through executions and condemnation to Russia's famous prison camps known as the "Gulags" (where they would overwhelmiongly die from starvation and disease).

Joseph Stalin
-He murdered about 60 million people by deliberately causing widespread famines, ordering massive and arbitrary executions, and sending large populations to the unlivable Gulag prison camps.
- He imposed state atheism, shut down several parishes, levelled numerous historic churches, and slaughtered tens of thousands of nuns, monks, and priests.

Rosalia Zemlyachka
Soviet politician, and atheist who murdered 50,000 soldiers in brutal manners in Crimea, despite having promised them safe passage.

Leon Trotsky
- Vladimir Lenin's right hand man, executed 1,200 to 2,168 people

Vera Grebeniukova
Atheist leader who tortured and shot 700 prisoners during the early years of Communist Russia.

Vladimir Antonov-Ovseyenko
Atheist leader who was responsible for the brutal massacre 200,000 to 240,000 souls.

Leonid Brezhnev
Atheist leader of Russia whose genocide in Afghanistan killed 900,000 people.

Sergei Mironovich Kirov
Atheist leader who ordered "the merciless extermination" of prisoners "by any means possible." Around 4,000 prisoners had stones tied around their necks and were thrown in a river to drown.

These men were seriously dangerous because they saw themselves as their www.nairaland.com/attachments/4037797_1125173010450811788692571960112973848827470n_jpeg12da13f61cb892b408465f7050e1ea47 own god.



So what else do they have to offer, history does not lie no matter how atheists try to defend ot or twist it.


Well, after all the madness from those atheist leaders, thee countries tried to come back to God. But right now their children have forgotten the past so soon and are heading the way of destruction. Well, This russian shown in the picture below has a piece of advise for us.

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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by FearGodAndLive: 11:59am On Aug 12, 2016
hopefuLandlord:

Oh! Thought you were judging by your username

What's your religion?
I have no religion. I'm atheist.
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by hopefuLandlord: 12:02pm On Aug 12, 2016
AnonyNymous:

These quotes above are not 'deadly ideas' as you claim.

GATIANO'S POST: If you like, you can remain ignorant to the fact that Africans were simpler, happier people before these perverse religions came along.

LAWANI'S POST: Theology, i.e religious beliefs, has already done enough harm. The first popes used it for control when they married church and state together. Now turn on your TV and look at what ISIS is doing today.

I don't call for a total ban because that'd be irrational and against freedom of expression. But I think that religion should not be elevated to the level that it is today and should be more personal, to the point that no one cares but you yourself, just as nobody comes asking you on the street if your bellybutton is in or out.

They get their quotes from Christian Apologists websites or indirectly get it from there
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by hopefuLandlord: 12:04pm On Aug 12, 2016
FearGodAndLive:

I have no religion. I'm atheist.

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That explains your username better
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:04pm On Aug 12, 2016
FearGodAndLive:

I have no religion. I'm atheist.

Having no religion does not make you an atheist .
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:06pm On Aug 12, 2016
Communism is the conflation of Marxism and Leninism - ideologies of their originators Marx , Lenin . Karl Marx founded Marxism while Vladmir Lenin founded Lenin . These atheists as well as every atheist see religion as an impediment to development .

Leninism developed from Marxism . And Lenin , the founder of Leninism , has the following views about religion :

1. He sees religion as a tool used for oppression of the indigent : As a system of belief, religion adds to the oppressive woes of the exploited, “coarsening and darkening … the spiritual and moral life of the masses” (Lenin 10:83).

2. He also sees religious beliefs as delusions : We may believe that the gods will provide us succour under trial, that our prayers for relief will be answered, that God will punish our enemies at the Judgement Seat, that the grace of God will lead to a life far greater than our present one. Yet we are deluded, for these beliefs merely make us content with our lot (Lenin 5:338).

3. He blatantly mentions religion as being a problem to man : Our own beliefs are only part of the problem, for they are perpetrated by clergy, the “gendarmes in cassocks” (Lenin 17:142; Lenin 5:385, 414; 6:259) who are hand-in-glove with state powers, from which they receive their stipends, residences, church buildings, and by which the whole ecclesial system is maintained.

4. He sees religion as a tool used by capitalists to preserve their affluent status : In short, the clergy are part of the small ruling class, numbering also landowners and capitalists: those keen to preserve their privileged status (Lenin 19:28).

Every atheist holds these views on religion . They see the acceptance of atheism as a panacea to the world's problems . They accuse the religious of instigating conflicts . Some of today's atheists have overtly said that if they had the power , they'd annihilate religion . This same animus pushed the communist leaders to go on a killing spree -exterminating the lives of the religious ones .

For the atheists who controvert that atheism led to the killings , the founders of the ideologies don't agree with you . Here's what Lenin said in his book Religion :

[size=18pt]Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism.[/size]

And then Marxism–Leninism holds that religion is the opium of the people, in the sense of promoting passive acceptance of suffering on Earth in the hope of eternal reward. [size=18pt]Therefore, Marxism–Leninism [COMMUNISM] advocates the abolition of religion and the acceptance of atheism[/size] . And this course - the abolition of religion and the acceptance of atheism - led to the death of millions of people .

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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by FearGodAndLive: 12:06pm On Aug 12, 2016
winner01:
Exactly what I expected. Seun denied the fact that 2016 atheists share the evil mentalities of their predecessors. I can simply prove otherwise.
There are theists who also believe religion is a scourge and should be done away with. In Nigeria, we've seen the full havoc religion is capable of doing when not controlled or guided.

Worship a foreign God and the government gives you money to go worship in Israel and Mecca. Love a fellow man and the government locks you up for 14 years.
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by FearGodAndLive: 12:07pm On Aug 12, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Having no religion does not make you an atheist .


Same way having sense will probably kill you.

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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by FearGodAndLive: 12:08pm On Aug 12, 2016
hopefuLandlord:


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That explains your username better
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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by hopefuLandlord: 12:09pm On Aug 12, 2016
winner01:
Exactly what I expected. Seun denied the fact that 2016 atheists share the evil mentalities of their predecessors. I can simply prove otherwise.

[size=15pt]2016 theists share the evil mentalities of their predecessors.[/size]

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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:10pm On Aug 12, 2016
FearGodAndLive:

Same way having sense will probably kill you.

Dude , you've never made sense ever so prepare for your death
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by hopefuLandlord: 12:11pm On Aug 12, 2016
FearGodAndLive:

Same way having sense will probably kill you.

He probably didn't read our exchanges properly
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 12:11pm On Aug 12, 2016
AnonyNymous:
You've started again. Communism is not a religious ideology.
I've not started anything again. I made claims and gave proof to support them. None of you have refuted it.

AnonyNymous:
Its a system of f*cking government. Which involves the government controlling all resources and sharing things equally. Centrally planned distribution of collective wealth. It could be described as the opposite of Capitalism (Maybe the libertarian ideas are more of a polar opposite). In capitalism, most things are privately owned and the government's responsibility is basically just to uphold law and order. Socialism is like a 'toned down' version of communism, people are allowed to own private property.
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One problem with communism is scarce resources. I've told you before, communist ideas were one of the first in attempts to replace monarchial systems of government which were purported by religion. In monarchy, anything the king says goes. Imagine civilizations in Japan who were too scared to stand up for their rights because they thought that the emperor was an incarnation of the Sun god. Its for these reasons that the founders of communism decide to eliminate supernatural and superhuman beliefs that say some people get to have more than others as ordained by whatever god they serve. Breaking away from these nonsense beliefs and purporting ideas that everyone is equal. Religion had shackled people for so long, that's why you have people like Karl Marx saying they will 'carry on propaganda against religious prejudices'.
Story!!!

Stop embarrasing yourself, no one is demanding that you explain what communism is or isnt. Your words do not hold as much value as the quotes above. The intents of communist leaders are clear no matter how much you try to dilute it.


AnonyNymous:

Another problem I have with communism is that it gives too much power to the government and those that tend to be in charge later develop autotheistic tendencies in believing that they, themselves, are a form of a god - the exact same thing Marx was against. A lot of Marxist ideas are ideal but not practically usable.
Ive given proof that the ideas of those atheist communist murderers are no different from 2016 atheists. I really do not need you to change history. grin

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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 12:12pm On Aug 12, 2016
hopefuLandlord:


[size=15pt]2016 theists share the evil mentalities of their predecessors.[/size]
This is not true. Atheists all over the world have a voice just because of theist heads of states. Please mention those leaders and presidents and the number of people they killed. I'm really interested in your proof if you have any.
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Kay17: 12:13pm On Aug 12, 2016
@winner01

Do you think religions are not yokes? Yokes that shackle the mind and limit it's potentials?
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Richirich713: 12:13pm On Aug 12, 2016
Subjective morality, the one thing atheists hate to admit. grin
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by FearGodAndLive: 12:13pm On Aug 12, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Dude , you've never made sense ever so...
My words aren't for the carnal minded. You need the Ho lyScrotum to decipher them. May the Balls be on you.

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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 12:14pm On Aug 12, 2016
AnonyNymous:

These quotes above are not 'deadly ideas' as you claim.

GATIANO'S POST: If you like, you can remain ignorant to the fact that Africans were simpler, happier people before these perverse religions came along.

LAWANI'S POST: Theology, i.e religious beliefs, has already done enough harm. The first popes used it for control when they married church and state together. Now turn on your TV and look at what ISIS is doing today.

Change the meaning of their posts all you like. Their original posts are clear for all to see. Communists had the same evil mentality.
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by hopefuLandlord: 12:15pm On Aug 12, 2016
winner01:
Please mention those leaders and presidents and the number of people they killed. I'm really interested. grin

The irony of this question is actually lost on you

Who's "evil"?

Almost all killings in the bible were carried out by "theists"

I need you to counter that
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by FearGodAndLive: 12:16pm On Aug 12, 2016
winner01:
Please mention those leaders and presidents and the number of people they killed. I'm really interested. grin
This is weird. The glee to count dead bodies. I really think you need help. This is sad.

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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by hopefuLandlord: 12:17pm On Aug 12, 2016
FearGodAndLive:

My words aren't for the carnal minded. You need the Ho lyScrotum to decipher them. May the Balls be on you.

Hahahahahahahahaha grin grin grin grin grin


Dude, you made me laugh the most I've ever done on Nairaland

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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:17pm On Aug 12, 2016
FearGodAndLive:

There are theists who also believe religion is a scourge and should be done away with. In Nigeria, we've seen the full havoc religion is capable of doing when not controlled or guided.

Worship a foreign God and the government gives you money to go worship in Israel and Mecca. Love a fellow man and the government locks you up for 14 years.


You gave yourself away so cheaply . The idea of the annihilation of religion by atheist communist leaders led to the death of millions of people, you share the same ideology . They believed that religion causes adversities and affected the wealth balance in a nation - you share the same belief . The intent of the Op is to show how this is true and within minutes it was proven . What is left for you to have that discretion they had and you'd destroy the lives of millions of religious people . bravo winner01 , we've exposed one

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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 12:20pm On Aug 12, 2016
FearGodAndLive:

There are theists who also believe religion is a scourge and should be done away with. In Nigeria, we've seen the full havoc religion is capable of doing when not controlled or guided.

Worship a foreign God and the government gives you money to go worship in Israel and Mecca. Love a fellow man and the government locks you up for 14 years.
Religion is not the problem of Nigeria. Africa has its own problems. China and U.S.A have more number of religious people than Nigeria.

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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by hopefuLandlord: 12:21pm On Aug 12, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


You gave yourself away so cheaply . The idea of the annihilation of religion by atheist communist leaders led to the death of millions of people, you share the same ideology . They believed that religion causes adversities and affected the wealth balance in a nation - you share the same belief . The intent of the Op is to show how this is true and within minutes it was proven . What is left for you to have that discretion they had and you'd destroy the lives of millions of religious people . bravo winner01 , we've exposed one

Oga, go read your religious books

Almost all killings in them were carried out by theists

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