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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by cloudgoddess(f): 5:35pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas: Geofavor: Hmm, I disagree. How do places like Norway, China, Japan etc. keep the peace, and continue developing at such steady rates despite them being the most atheist & secular countries on earth? From what I've researched, atheist/non-religious/secular countries and societies are doing better across the globe. Less crime, better healthcare, more educated, more equality, higher life expectancy, the list goes on. I think any society of human beings, regardless of race demographics or geographical location, is capable of prospering secularly. Psychology & neuroscience are making great headway in the areas of emotional & mental health and well-being, interpersonal interaction, etc. Books are being written, techniques and practices are being developed, courses and seminars are taking place, that focus on teaching how to relate to ourselves and eachother better, and be more peaceful, compassionate, co-operative and happy, in ways that acknowledge & work with our human nature. These things can be taught and maintained without religion, and likely even more effectively so, if only we could wake people up and get them to learn. People lean on religion because they think it's the only thing that can satisfy our inner needs. But imho it's just a placebo. 19 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by winner01(m): 5:36pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:If the bible was written over a period of 4500 years, and 2000 years after, some people are saying end time is taking forever. I can only smile. Only God knows the hour. 2 Likes |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Ranchhoddas: 5:44pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by shaybebaby(f): 5:53pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:Yet the same leaders wine and dine with religious leaders that the masses look up to. I am saying that if we are all so religious, why aren't we helping each other? Why are we blind to the suffering of others? Why do people say they will pray rather than doing something practical to alleviate the suffering of others? The masses have lost all belief in their own power as religion has been used to brainwash them into thinking that cannot be active participants in changing their own lives. I read on another thread (it was hilarious but sad) how a kid answered his exam question-he didn't know the answer and instead started begging for mercy in the name of Jesus and mentioning where he worships, also saying that the teacher should let God touch her heart so as not to fail him. That is the sort of fervour commonplace in Nigeria and as a consequence, people absolve themselves of taking responsibility for their own lives. That sort of thinking is saying to yourself you are powerless in the face of whatever life might throw at you and at the mercy of your God. When a simple revision would have removed the need of begging with Gods name. Now if you feel that helpless to help yourself, how can you begin to feel like you can help someone else? You do the same as with your self, wait for someone else step in. So everyone is waiting for God to intervene. Now just try to imagine that there is no God, no one to come to anyone's rescue, what would you do in that instance? Whatever that is is what Nigerians need to start doing...but at it's heart, putting the collective social wellbeing of every citizen. 10 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by kennynelcon(m): 5:54pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
Seun: You can Help anyone but don't force...for the sowing If you have not tasted it, please keep calm. Finally remember Christianity is not the only religion on earth. DON'T DISCRIMINATE. PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by hopefulLandlord: 6:01pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
kennynelcon: Oga, read properly Na!! He touched almost all types of religion e.g I'm sure you didn't read "suicide bombing" part and missed some others He didn't talk Christianity alone brother 2 Likes |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Nobody: 6:02pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas: Ahh, true. Many efforts are being made by the more enlightened; less fundamentalist religious groups to find some common ground with the opposite side. And in each case, they've met with partial success. However, each of the sides have some deranged members who wake up each day and decide those groups trying to find common ground are going against their deities will and states it explicity in their various scriptures. Some even resort to brute force, suicide bombings, verbal attacks, defamation of characters et al et al. Each of these deranged member truly believe he or she is right- their ultimate conviction is that they are justified. Some even say their particular deity told them! In each case; many of the members of that particular religious group condemn such acts; they call them the few "bad eggs"; they post memes and "unite" against such evil acts. ....and yet, and yet, the attacks on the "unbelievers" or "infidels" continue. Why is it that it is among the most religious that we see the highest degree of fanaticism; the strongest level of denying reality? Why is it that the most commited to any particular religion are the most violent? The ones most particularly commited to evil acts or harsh words?? Granted, moves to cancel religion are most extreme. The best one can do now is to reduce the level of religiosity amongst people. And then; time will take care of things. 1 Like |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Geofavor(m): 6:07pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
SirWere:correct. And this isn't better than when the land is in a state of anarchy? Incorrect! Every rules and regulation set by mankind, when traced back to their origin, are based on one religious belief or the other. Only a few modification is being made in an attempt to 'satisfy all'. E.g the legalization of homosexualism in the US and some other countries. This doesn't mean their rules and regulations are not based on religious beliefs. Haven't you seen theists who don't inveigh against homosexualism? I don't think there's anything such as an irreligious country. Every country has at least a significant amount of theists. I'm telling you the only reason a lot of people follow and obey the constitution of their respective countries is actually because it conforms with their religious beliefs. If not, they wouldn't. Therefore, when rules are set, it is based on the religious beliefs of the people. There has to be that unique and supreme reverence -- God. The truth is people wouldn't abstain from doing something just because some other people say so. Even voting wouldn't work. Democracy is for the people, not all the people. If there were no religious beliefs that make people believe they should make peace, you think anyone would accept defeat? Humans are filled with greed and all sorts of petrifying character that can only be calmed by their reverence for a supreme being, not a fellow being. If everyone thought there is no god, everyone would define what is right and what is wrong their own way. There would be no government. Who would succumb to another man's rule? A lot of people are only enduring being under the rule of a fellow man because they either think everyone will be equal in the afterlife, or they will be awarded a higher position in that afterlife. 5 Likes |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by UncleSnr(m): 6:13pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
Omooba77:https://www.nairaland.com/3200618/epicurean-argument-evil-god 1 Like |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Nobody: 6:19pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
You say many religious people are suffering right? Remember when Nairaland and nairalanders were all solidly behind a group called TEHN whose aim was to reach out and help as many people who were suffering in this nation. What was your response? Did you support or you wanted to shut it down? Did you not threaten and even go ahead to place a ban against solicitations for help and even those who desired to help and it took a lot of pressure from all of us to make you change your mind? I guess you forgot that you were also part of the suffering they had when you banned the e-helpers network Many religious people are not allowed to have blood transfusions. This means thousands of religious men, women and children have died from treatable medical conditions, such as pregnancies with any kind of complications, non-fatal car accidents, treatable gunshot wounds, etc. simply because they are not allowed to accept blood transfusions. So many children have become orphans needlessly; so many men and women became widows and widowers; so many fathers and mothers lost their children. All because of a religious rule that make no sense at all. Those who end up killling themself in order of statisitics are the irreligious. Depresion is real and a case in point is one irreligious nairalander here who wanted to commit suicide but today she is saved and has accepted Jesus and has found peace. She is here on your forum live Most religious people believe in the afterlife. As a result, instead of focusing on the current life and trying to make it as enjoyable as possible for themselves, their friends, and family members, they endure shitty and miserable lives in the hope that they'll be rewarded after they die. An extreme case of this is the case of suicide bombers and religious fighters who embrace violent deaths for the sake of an imaginary paradise. Belief in the afterlife does not stop anyone from giving and living their life in full capacity so this argument is redundant. Many religious people are pressured to give a sizable proportion of their income to the religious establishments they worship with. Poor people are taught that the best way to get rich is not to save their money and invest in education and entrepreneurship, but to "sow" it by giving it to their rich religious leaders who will use it to live flamboyantly, and build religious monuments to attract more cash cows. When this stupid idea of "sowing"doesn't make the poor people rich, they are told that it's because they don't have faith, have sin in their lives, etc. I have asked you a question here seun and i will ask you again here. How many people have approached you to advertise on nairaland and you did it for them for free? If you have financial demands and rules governing your website which you cannot break then you have no right pointing fingers at others who do the same. Make yours free and then condemn others. Many religious people are made to believe that the secret to good health and healing is prayer, having been brainwashed by dishonest sermons and misleading testimonies. When they have health problems, instead of going to good hospitals, they embark on prayer and fasting. When their friends slump due to heart attacks or strokes or seizures, they start praying on them instead of rushing them to good hospitals where they can get competent medical help. People have died of curable diseases like malaria because they didn't accept treatment until it was too late. if you have never been healed of anything due to your mindset does that mean that you have the right to speak for everyone else? Faith is a language you cannot decode so to those who believe in it with all their hearts they get their needed results whether you believe it or not and they owe you no reason why you should see their proof. Many religious people are tolerant and liberal by nature, but due to certain verses in their holy scriptures, they feel that they must be intolerant of various groups of people that God supposedly doesn't like, such as lesbians and transexuals. They are against abortion, which they think is murder, but also against sex education, which reduces abortion rates dramatically, because they think it may encourage premarital safe sex. As a result their daughters end up getting pregnant outside wedlock, having illegal abortions, and dying despite their opposition to abortion. Wrong! Love is the message and Love teaches we love the person but not the life. If the life is sinful as our moral compass dictates then we frown at the life but not at the person. If we did not like the person then we would not share the gospel of Jesus with them. Wickedness is when you do not know that morality is and you want to use someone as an experiment and try to dictate freedom to them when even you are not free and believe anything is morality. So are you moving in a straight line or in a zig zag and up and down manner as an Atheist. Many religious people are women, and it sucks to be them because the scriptures of the major religions are clearly sexist. One scripture claims that women must be quiet and submit to men because man were created first and woman came from man, which is rather suspicious because in real life it's women who give birth to men. Another scripture proudly asserts that woman are deficient in intelligence and piety. There are almost no female prophets, apostles or disciples. The few famous women in major scriptures are famous not for personal exploits but for giving birth to important men, marrying them, or leading them astray (Eve, Jezebel). Religious women can't live up to their full potential. Have such women appointed you as their advocate? How many of them have you assisted even here on Nairaland not to talk about the nation at large? And don't even get me started on the horrible treatment of "demon-possessed" people (the mentally ill) and "child witches". Clearly Atheists are floundering so have a deep need to be relevant by forcing their opinions down peoples throats. I encourage Atheists to come out of the closet so we can have more people to preach to and deliver from its shackles but showing them a life outside assumptions and "anything goes" living. By giving their lives value and true meaning. 18 Likes 10 Shares |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Nobody: 6:24pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
Seun:Religious people are suffering ? How? Explain please with succinct and specific examples, thank you very much.
Proselytising much? Like seriously, you believe that if you free me from what you call my delusion I will live a better life like you? I see your viewpoint which plainly dictates that you are living a better life than I am because you are an atheist and I am not! And if I am not mistaken, you are suggesting that we should all embrace 'Hedonism', just seek pleasure over pain, in fact emphatically self-pleasure, right? This is one of the questions of the ages but by choice I choose a life that has some restraint over one with total freedom, I have a sweet tooth and would drink more than a bottle of Merlot everyday, in reality, I am free to do as wish but I know enjoying these 'vices' without restraint will lead certainly to one of two things, early death or a life of ill health, take your pick, my pick is to enjoy my 'vices' with some restraint. Besides, complete freedom, pleasure, joy, comfort et al lose their appeal in the absence of their antithesis, just as I tell my 6 year old son, nothing will be special about his birthdays if he has one everyday. Also, not everyone wants to live a life based on your definition of a better life, ever heard of Buddha? Nice little prince born into affluence who perhaps sought for more than the pleasurable life beyond the 4 walls of the palace?. For many, a better life is beyond money, comfort and pleasure. There is such a thing as contentment, I know it a concept that is by and large alien to the Nigerian society but it exists, you should give it try. I am a person of faith and I came to the knowledge of what I am by knowledge and choice, while many not be that spiritually matured to be that way, a bigger majority are. You need to come down from your high horse and acknowledge that many make these choices deliberately and consciously. . Of course, this drivel will not be complete without a dig at JW or one sect or another, I can also say that many atheist also choose euthanasia/DNR just because they don't want to suffer and then deprive their loved ones of their love and perhaps drive them to a life of addiction and depression. Is doing it for hedonistic reasons more admirable?
You need to open your world view a bit, just using the tiny sample size in mini Ogun State and perhaps Nigeria will not cut it. Religion is perhaps responsible for some of the finest forms of music, poetry, fine art and so on, I can argue that many of these self expressions have their in religion and the contribution of religion, the religious and influence of religion on the non-religion cannot be ignored. I mean common man, the kind of cult following perpetrated in Nigeria is not always a definition of the religious or religion.
Another crass generalisation, none of the Eastern religions believe in the afterlife as you describe above but in reincarnation, the concept is even completely non existent in Judaism; only Islam and Christianity subscribe to the afterlife thesis. Now, moving along, I don't know where you got the idea that they believe they have to endure miserable lives in exchange for an imaginary paradise, even in Nigeria, that is a big fat giant lie, in fact the reason why pastors/alfas in Nigeria have a cult following is because the followers want to live 'BETTER LIVES' . Have you noticed that the mental oppressed are the uneducated? Given your well meaning position, what are you doing about that? I have often told people, if you want to know what life was like in medieval Europe, just go to Nigeria, where all power belonged to the clergy and the aristocrats, in current Nigeria substitute aristocrats for politicians. With the advent of Gutenberg's printing press, the Bible became readily available and education no longer remained an exclusive right of titled men or men in robes. That perhaps gave birth to one of the finest periods in history, The Renaissance, otherwise known as the age of Enlightenment, while religion was questioned, it also matured, giving rise more matured and alternative viewpoints some of which persists today. You should consider other 'isms' other than atheism, many religious people have and still choose theism.
Another preposterous generalisation largely applicable to Nigeria, I could argue the disadvantages of democracy on the basis of how it is practiced in Nigeria. The Red Cross has its origins in Christianity as its founder Henry Dunant died a christian and there are many organisations doing similar voluntarily. In fact forget the Red Cross, the Anglican and Catholic movements, Ansarud-deen and Ahmadiyya are the reasons many of our parents were able to get an education. Just because some reprehensible and self-aggrandising elements have hijacked religion in your part of the world does not make religion wholly responsible. I don't know where you get your facts from, even the 'Amish' would go hospital if need be. As for prayer, I am sure you know what the placebo effect is, look it up if you you don't know, doctors or science are yet to explain what is responsible for it, there is something belief does for the psyche.
Another Nigerian stereotype, I just tire. I am against abortion because I am pro-life, in my opinion, it is irresponsible to have sex and get pregnant in this day and age when so many precautionary measures abound, as an abortion apologist, I'd like to ask how abortion can/will encourage any form of sexual accountability when a teenager knows there is always an option of getting an abortion? Feel free to enlighten us please. By the way, there's a reason why AIDS exploded in the 80s, look that up too. Just in case you are ignorant of the facts, abstinence does more than preventing unwanted pregnancies, funny that this paragraph ignores the many ills of premarital sex such as STDs, HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, and sexual depravity as result of not being emotionally ready to engage in sex I can't shout abeg. Religious people are against religious education Lord have mercy, where do you live, what kind people live around you?
Funny that you chose to cleverly ignore women like Esther, Abigail, Deborah, Lydia, Phoebe or women in Islam such as Aisha, Khadijah, Miriam the wife of Firiaoun or Fatima al-Fihri, look her up, she established the first and oldest university in Morrocco. I will forgive that slight, as an atheist your sojourn into religion is to find only what is wrong never what is right so you may be forgiven for your ignorance of the women above but what about women like Indira Gandhi, Marie Curie, Angela Merkel or even me, naijababe? What the hell is wrong with you man? I expected better from you, you have limited your viewpoints to insipid and parochial conjectures. Taking you seriously henceforth will be a challenge if you continue to state your opinion as facts, even your modern day father Richard Dawkins does better than this, learn a few things from him and the way he writes the next time you wish to write to your well meaning and liberating posts, but exercise some caution cause even he is losing credibility. And don't even get me started on the horrible treatment of "demon-possessed" people (the mentally ill) and "child witches".Of course, never mind that this is largely based on illiteracy rather than religion, try again please. How many times have you seen the children of well educated middle-class family given any of the labels above? It is always the uneducated and poor. ' Mental Oppression, much!'
Feel free to speak out, it is your God given right, spare me your superiority complex however and stick to the facts. Shalom! 18 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Ranchhoddas: 6:28pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
shaybebaby:You are side-stepping my questions and making different points. No matter though, I'll continue..... Who says we aren't helping each other, what kind of sweeping generalization is that? Religious people go to work and school and do all the other things that non- religious people do. Can you tell me anything that atheists are doing right in this country that theists aren't doing? Your statements I'm afraid are filled with generalizations which are not based on facts. I'd tell you again that the people who do these things you've being saying are in the minority. The problem with Nigeria is BAD LEADERSHIP!! BAD LEADERSHIP!! Atheism will not provide good roads, unbelief will not generate 10000MW of electricity, but I can bet you that many good people will become evil if the hope, comfort and solace that religion offers is taken away. 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Nobody: 6:44pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
cloudgoddess: Wrong! The Japanese are largely Buddhists or Shintos, Chinese are Buddhists, Norwegians are Lutherans/agnostics and the Swiss, though not on your list are Roman Catholics/ Anglicans. Don't confuse agnosticism with atheism, many of the Scandiniavian nations that atheists like to use in their arguments identify as agnostics, the ones who aren't Lutherans at least- ( Evangelicals). 1 Like |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Nobody: 6:49pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
Geofavor: Ahh, the United States. A well mentioned country. Well, let's use the United States for an example. It might intrest you to know that God was not mentioned in their first, original constitution. The founding fathers didn't place divine authority on God, they placed it on the constitution. Of course, this has to do with the fact that they were deists and all; but that's irrelevant. The point is that their constitution still worked pretty well; even without mentioning any divine authority. And the homosexuality matter is another topic on its own I don't think there's anything such as an irreligious country. Every country has at least a significant amount of theists.Rephrased : Countries with a significant number of irreligous people are doing well also I'm telling you the only reason a lot of people follow and obey the constitution of their respective countries is actually because it conforms with their religious beliefs. If not, they wouldn't. Agreed, each religion has its own tenets of live and let live.....and that's not bad. Truly it isn't. But however, it's when this admirable philosophy is jacked on by people claiming to be divinely inspired and then order their members to do absurd things like refuse blood transfusions, drink camel urine and other forms of absurdity that one has to question whether or not something is wrong somewhere There has to be that unique and supreme reverence -- God. The truth is people wouldn't abstain from doing something just because some other people say so. Even voting wouldn't work. Democracy is for the people, not all the people. If there were no religious beliefs that make people believe they should make peace, you think anyone would accept defeat?Wrong! I think humans are more intelligent than you give them credit for. In most societies, the populace are governed by a rule of law system that dictates the punishment for offenses commited by people without any divine authority. In fact, such systems have put some restrictions on a religion and no one batted an eyelid! The truth is that people tend to listen to authority. People want to follow but not lead. Once a central authority makes a decree, or a law, or a commandment, people tend to follow and not ask questions. And we've seen religious people refusing to step down from power also. Did they not believe in a divine authority? Humans are filled with greed and all sorts of petrifying character that can only be calmed by their reverence for a supreme being, not a fellow being.You think no religion means anarchy, that not believing in a deity is similar to a state of chaos. If that were true, I assure you that all atheists today will be rampaging murderers and irreligious countries will be the least peaceful place to live in. But it's no so. See, people tend to think the worst of others. Perhaps it's because most of us live very tensed up lives but it's not so. People can be good. They can perform good acts. They can build hospitals, they can perform charity aids without neccesarily hoping for a voice welcoming them into paradise. Until we accept and recognize the good in man; we'll always have faults with each other. It's.....unavoidable. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Ranchhoddas: 6:59pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
@ Naijababe. You are the real MVP!! 4 Likes |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by honourhim: 7:05pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas: For the first time i commend your reasoning here. You made sense. |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Nobody: 7:08pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Ranchhoddas: 7:09pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
SirWere:Will unbelief make a deranged person any less deranged? |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Ranchhoddas: 7:13pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
honourhim:I am usually wary of veiled compliments. 2 Likes |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Seun(m): 7:14pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
theoneJabulani:Most people won't fully convert to atheism no matter what we do, but they'll become more tolerant, respectful of science, realistic, rational, etc. 01Mysticdon:Nobody likes abortion. Not even pro-choice activists and doctors who perform abortions. But they recognize that an early abortion is not as bad as bringing children into a world that doesn't want them; that a legal abortion by a good doctor is not as bad as an illegal abortion by fake doctor, which may also kill the mother. That's why most pro-choice activists also advocate for more sex education and contraceptives. ccffwx:I sincerely wish that the scriptures supported your position. Unfortunately, they were written by men and for men in male-dominated cultures. peacesamuel94:Shots fired! 0rex:I'm not asking atheists to become street preachers. They just need to speak up sometimes and say, "I disagree with that, and here's why." JSoE:Yes, we need to be careful about telling people who are in positions of authority over us, such as our parents, bosses, and lecturers. If they find out unexpectedly, it may be better to tell them that we are "having doubts". People often react melodramatically to the word "atheist". Although I have succeeded in freeing one of my friends from the scourge of religionAwesome! I had mixed feelings when someone said he "lost his faith" because of me. It certainly felt like a loss to him, but really, it's not. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Nobody: 7:25pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:Depends. In most cases, one might be inclined to be say yes. But of course; I'm biased here and I don't really have an experience with deranged people, believers or not. |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by cloudgoddess(f): 7:25pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
naijababe:Atheism and agnosticism are effectively the same. I've already made posts on this, agnosticism IS a type of atheism. "Absence of belief in an intervening, personal supernatural entity that is pulling strings behind the scenes", characterizes both atheists and those who identify as agnostic. Deists too even. And some Buddhists. Buddhism and atheism can exist together and very often does, especially in more western adaptations of Buddhism. More of a philosophy than a religion, it's focused on cultivating positive inner states of being, NOT worshipping any external creator. Shintoism, although traditionally polytheistic, is mostly focused on the apprection of nature and traditional Japanese customs that reflect that. It doesn't have any set doctrines or required professions of faith/worship, and is thus similarly compatible with a secular worldview. Lastly, in regards to the Lutheren/Catholics/etc, many people who answer these surveys check religion off by name. But in practice, most of them do not walk around seriously believing a god will heal their illnesses and improve their finances, or truly believing that everyone who doesn't subscribe to their belief will burn in a furnace for all eternity. The amount of people who earnestly hold the types of beliefs present in the Abrahamic religions, are a declining minority in those areas. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by AccidentalGenius: 7:29pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
cloudgoddess: youre right. but you cant explain things to people who aren't prepared to learn. this will soon become an unnecessary argument. she wont understand. im an atheist and I practice the Buddhist mundra meditation. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by cloudgoddess(f): 7:33pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
AccidentalGenius:Very awesome! I practice Vipassana. I should look into Mundra more. Seems very interesting. 3 Likes |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by FroshGirl(m): 7:34pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
This is pure fact but will create atmosphere of debate in here. ... lemme watch out.. 1 Like
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Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by AccidentalGenius: 7:42pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
cloudgoddess: mundras are interesting. you learn alot about yourself with time. you have time and patience to indulge in these debates. you know how it always ends. lol 1 Like |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Seun(m): 7:46pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
tempem:I am here because my parent decided to have kids. One thing led to another and eventually I came shooting out of my mother's "wherever". When they can't even tell you how to be happy?Psychologists have studied happiness extensively in a scientific way. If we implement their reality-based recommendations, we will be happy. Farmerforlife:Virtually all religions are based on incorrect beliefs. All incorrect beliefs are harmful because decision making obeys the garbage in, garbage out principle. The more incorrect beliefs you hold, the more likely you are to make bad decisions that will harm you and the people around you. Also, on the surface, it might seem nice to allow unbridled hedonism to take over the world, and live merely for our pleasures of, as you put it, but free license does have its drawbacks, which include harmful effects on society.This is correct; some behaviours should not be allowed because they are harmful to other people. The problem is that religion forbids many things that are completely harmless while allowing many things that are clearly harmful. Like the religion that forbids instrumental music but permits child marriage; forbids owning man's best friend but permits domestic violence. The one that forbids eyeing the opposite sex but fails to condemn slavery. As free thinking people, we can have moral systems based on the rational determination of what is actually harmful. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Ijustdeywatch: 7:46pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
Nice one seun. It will be fun to see NL Atheist embark on envangelism of sort in an effort to enmancipate the majority of the populace from this ill-concieved malady/evil monster called religion according to your glorious atheistic view. As i have always deemed NL Atheists to be toothless bull(y) dogs who only barks online but are cowards when it comes to taking their believe/conviction to the real world. Afterall, Christianity started from the upper room in Jerusalem and spread to the surrounding cities and nations before some political powers that be then hijacked it and turned it to a religio-political tool in enslaving the masses. So, i'll love to see how you guys will respond when the heat of persecution from the religious extremists in the country hit you guys full face. I'll love to see how many Atheist will be willing and ready to lay down their life for their conviction on their worldview. As this is the highest way ever that they can show the resoluteness of their conviction that God doesn't exist. Moreso, i hope this is not another online ballyhoo. Wishing you guys the best in your eternal effort in futilty. Man trying to overthrow God in his own created space. Lol. You guys should please make haste in carrying out your mirage of an enterprise. Shalom. 5 Likes |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Nobody: 7:51pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
cloudgoddess:Fundamentally Deists and Agnostics believe there is a God, a first cause. It is very different from the atheist belief where God is nothing more than a make up fable like Rapunzel And some Buddhists. Buddhism and atheism can exist together and very often do, especially in more western adaptations of Buddhism. More of a philosophy than a religion, it's focused on cultivating positive inner states of being, NOT worshipping any external creator. Shintoism is focused on the apprection of nature and traditional Japanese customs that reflect that. It doesn't have any set doctrines or required professions of faith, and is thus similarly compatible with a secular worldview. There has been an explosion in the appreciation and perhaps borrowing of Eastern philosophies by Western societies, that strip those philosophies of the religious elements doesn't mean the original owners do not continue to practice the religious elements of those faith.
I don't know what the above mean, people are either adherents or they are not. I have seen people write 'Order of the Jedi' as their religion on surveys. In the West, no one checks surveys just for the heck of it. In Britain, 50% of the population identify with no religion while apparently 75% of Norwegians identify as being Lutherans, are you suggesting that they just checked the Christian box because the 'other' box was missing? And finally, Shinto in very deep in ancestral worship and for many of the Eastern countries, their religions and cultures are one and the same. The same is true for adherents of Shamanism and even Yorubas in fact. 1 Like |
Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by Nobody: 7:53pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
AccidentalGenius: I am a Christian and I meditate twice a day, what's your point? 3 Likes 2 Shares |
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