Wilgrea7:



una don succeed pursue sleep from my eye abi... no problem

OK back to your question sir

the case of the burning bush was a sign to moses just like the star was a sign to the three wise men. And if you're looking for proof that God's fire can consume, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, the story of fire from heaven when proving God to the prophets of Baal is a very good example that God indeed is a CONSUMING fire

thanks for the scripture... it said fear those who can KILL both body and soul in hell not who can torment forever both body and soul.. mind you also when i say nobody is immortal but God alone.. as of now we are still mortal.. even the angels you claim are immortal are not immortal to God. God gives and he takes away... he is the creator... he can utterly destroy

dolphinheart:


it was a vision!

dolphinheart:


yes , Adam and Eve and billions of their desendant's died!

King James Version
Ge 3:19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

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Ps 104:29Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.

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Ec 3:20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

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Ge 5:5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

shadeyinka:


1Pt3:19-20
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Who are these spirits in prison?
Aren't these spirits supposed to be dead and unconscious?
How come Christ preached to those who "cannot hear"?


I give up. We shall all die one day and the truth will be made plain

Peacefullove:




many christian believe this verse is talking about the angels of Noah's day. your bible called angels spirits , so the verse is referring to the disobedient angels in the days of Noah . as stated in that passage! focus on " Noah's day"



people like you are programmed to think in one way direction . running around in circles .


you earlier quote Matthew 10 vs 28 which raise two salient points

1: men cannot kill soul, but Joshua in the same bible destroy Souls Joshua 10 vs 39 , imagine Joshua destroying the so called immoral souls with swords I can't laugh abeg


2. the same verse insist that the Body will be in hell ! therefore how many bodies have disappeared from mortuary to hell according to this passage ? or Jesus is lying ?


kindly address this .





oga abeg, how many of those who died and were raised back to life by Jesus give tales of an imaginary afterlife or hell ? stop deceiving yourselves , this are people who have experience death. death is death

dolphinheart:

is lake of fire same as hell fire?

shadeyinka:



1Pt3:19-20 wasn't referring to Angels vs 20 makes it clear the reference point
......eight souls were saved by water.


To JW one word can only have one shade of Meaning.

RabbaRabbi:



the body does not go to hell. It dies here on earth. The soul goes to hell... While the spirit goes to God... Ecclesiastes 12:7

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Hell is a place of torment where the devil and his co-horts are reserved for the final judgement day...
for the final judgement day...

2 peter 2:4

Peacefullove:


Is this a kind of mental disorder or what? what's the issue with this JW you shouting in every post.


abeg what happen to the other souls , if only 8 are saved ? they died ? if they died, are they not immortal ?


my earlier questions on Matthew 10 vs 28 still remains

dolphinheart:


[coIor=red] i asked you : 1.what goes to hell? body , soul, spirit, the whole three mentioned or 2 of them? you did not answer the question on what goes to hell, neither did you provide scripture that support your answer.

4. If the body can die, can the soul not also die?, secondly if body does not go to hell, then explain what jesus is saying here:

King James Version
Mt 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

5. If you say spirit goes to God, does it(1)mean that spirit can die? cus you explained a part of a scripture to mean body died.
King James Version
Ec 12:7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

That verse did not say "die", it did not say "go to" . I used the word " return" for both spirit and body

(2)mean that spirit do not go hell? If so , then who are the spirits in prison? is the prison hell?
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I asked you, what is hell? you said: Hell is a place of torment where the devil and his co-horts are reserved for the final judgement day...
for the final judgement day...

your answer brings about the following question
6. what happens after the judgement day, will they still be in hell?
7. If he'll is reserved for the devil, please show me a scripture that says the devil was thrown in hell after judgement?

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2Pe 2:4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

8. is the devil presently in hell before judgement day? you were the one who mentioned this scripture that I quoted [/color]

shadeyinka:



Of course the Burning bush is a sign to Moses. The argument is that Gods fire can burn without annihilating a person.

Do Angels die?
If they don't, they have a beginning but no end. They are immortal. Only God have no beginning and no end. Except you can prove that Angels indeed have a finite life span even if it is 9000000 years.

There is nothing impossible for God!

shadeyinka:



You didn't answer the question. The key word was ON THE DAY YOU EAT......you shall DIE!

RabbaRabbi:
What do you mean by all those quotations @dolphinheart?

Wilgrea7:


one day in the sight of God is a thousand years to us... adam never lived up to a thousand... he died at 930 which is less than a day in the sight of God

Wilgrea7:



everything you're saying seems to support my stance and oppose yours... nobody knows the life span of angels.. we are told that they are immortal.. even in their immortality if God chooses to anhilate them he can do it. he can erase them from existence.. he can give and take away immortality.. he is the Lord God almighty. never forget that

Wilgrea7:



i posted links... do well to go through them before u conclude that its my doctrine.. eternal Burning was never a bible doctrine

MizJanet:


nah. what he is asking you is , why are those people not judged when they die if judgement is immediately after death ? you didn't address this .

Peacefullove:


o boy , Lazarus of Bethany na prisoner too ? I thought him be righteous man

I didn't ask you the rubbish u post above , if according to your postulation judgement is immediately after death , why was Lazarus of Bethany, Daughter of Jairus . real cases of someone who died not judged immediately they died ?

RabbaRabbi:


to crown it all, boy. There is hell and the is lake of fire. Hell is a temporal place where the devil is now. But after the judgment, he will be thrown into the lake of fire... Revelations 20:10-15

the body been mention is the physical flesh, that rots after death.

The spirit in man, is part of God that enables man to connect to God, so after death it seperates from the body and soul... Soul does not die, neither do the spirit.

shadeyinka:


Isn't a vision a reality from another dimension: the spirit rhelm.

Is a vision a junk perception?

shadeyinka:



You didn't answer the question. The key word was ON THE DAY YOU EAT......you shall DIE!

shadeyinka:



Hell is different from the lake of Fire. No one are in the lake of fire yet.

Hell is the abode of the ungodly until the day of resurrection.

dolphinheart:

I did answer , they ate, they died! the scripture said they died!.
We all know death is not instantaneous, it is a process, it only becomes complete if the process is not reversed.
If you where of the view that they should have died that same day, then you don't know the scriptures.

King James Version
Ge 3:3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

I do not know where you are going with this, but it seems you are supporting the devils statement because they did not die under 24 hours :
King James Version
Ge 3:4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

dolphinheart:

only the ungodly or is it also for the godly?
now please tell us what you understand by these scripture:
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Re 20:13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

are those who are in the sea , the dead who the sea gave up, different from those in hell?

The scriptures says hell is thrown into the lake of fire, why?

shadeyinka:



Pls read again

Gen2:17
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Am I supporting the devils statement?

Death is instantaneous
It is either you are dead or not. You and I are Alive now and not dead.

A day=1000 years is a bad bad interpretation else, we must replace every occurrence of the word one day with 1000 years. You know that it doesn't fit.

shadeyinka:


We go round and round a circle because
I believe in the Triune State of Man
You believe in the Unitary State of Man

Ourbpoint of view of existence is radically different... Let's drop it.

dolphinheart:

then explain your triune state of man to me, the difference in doctrine does not stop one from sharing his own beliefs. If your beliefs cannot be explained or conflicts with what the scriptures says, then there is something wrong, expecially it it can be explained using the scriptures or contradicts what the scriptures says.

moreover my question does not have much to do with the triune nature of man that you claim. you said : "Hell is the abode of the ungodly until the day of resurrection"

i asked you: "only the ungodly or is it also for the godly?" do the godly go to hell when they die? If not where do they go?

i also asked you go tell me what you understand by these scripture: 
King James Version
Re 20:13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

are those who are in the sea , the dead who the sea gave up, different from those in hell?

The scriptures says hell is thrown into the lake of fire, why?

solite3:
those are opinions of men

shadeyinka:



There is nothing impossible for God!
Just as He can annihilate, He can also keep alive!

shadeyinka:


-The lake of Fire is Gods refuse Dump.
-Everything that is useless to God is thrown into the Lake of Fire.
-Since Hell (a place for ungodly souls) is no more needed because it is superceeded by the the lake of Fire it is no more useful to God (note that hell is not the grave else the sea also would be cast into the lake of fire)

I believe the implication is that:
1. No more death
2. No more sin

I am sure your argument is that hell will burn up like paper.....that ONLY God can say

But Jesus teaching is very clear on hell.
He referee to it as OUTER DARKNESS where there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

On Trinity of Man, just type shadeyinka trinity you will find my understanding explained.

Wilgrea7:




so when did God say he will keep evil people alive to torment them forever.. all the scriptures i know talk of DESTRUCTION of the wicked