MrMystrO:


Yes, i Agree with you that there is a deity leading me and directing me to the presence of the EVER PRESENT creator, And you know what that deity is?? TRUTH!!! Because Truth is a Fundamental multidimensional Force, and one of the Essential Building Blocks, After love, for the creation of all existence. Truth is extremely powerful and multidimensional because it re-asserts and Reveals itself in all levels of reality. No matter How Long lies prevail, it doesn't matter if its been thousands or millions of years, Truth will always prevail and reveal itself because it is Fundamental.

Its extremely natural to hold on to old beliefs, and chastise anything new that seems to be contrary with what people already believe, That is why even the so called saviors of our time were matryed and killed because they were bold enough to contradict the old beliefs and publicly made their new found truths heard. So you can call me delusional or say that i am in a state of illusion, that is perfectly normal, i feel no bad feelings or think no bad thoughts about comments like that because i believe its extremely natural for one who has placed his beliefs on a particular belief system for the whole of his life will definitely have a hard time to even make an attempt to try and understand or investigate the true foundations of his beliefs, which is logical especially for the black man. But all i can say to you my friend is that, you can evade anything, and you can live in the dark for as long as you like, But truth, Like a very bright light of eternal force, is coming. And Nothing, Not even the strongest and the most deeply rooted lies can hide from its rays of exposure, And everything at last, will be Revealed in due time. Thank you for your post my friend, May love with you always.

MrMystrO:

MrMystrO:


Yes, i Agree with you that there is a deity leading me and directing me to the presence of the EVER PRESENT creator, And you know what that deity is?? TRUTH!!!

GRIMMJOE:



Make a stand once and for all (by the way the Christian God is far from having character of a God but more of a sadist )

MrMystrO:

Yes, i Agree with you that there is a deity leading me and directing me to the presence of the EVER PRESENT creator, And you know what that deity is?? TRUTH!!! Because Truth is a Fundamental multidimensional Force, and one of the Essential Building Blocks, After love, for the creation of all existence. Truth is extremely powerful and multidimensional because it re-asserts and Reveals itself in all levels of reality. No matter How Long lies prevail, it doesn't matter if its been thousands or millions of years, Truth will always prevail and reveal itself because it is Fundamental.

Its extremely natural to hold on to old beliefs, and chastise anything new that seems to be contrary with what people already believe, That is why even the so called saviors of our time were matryed and killed because they were bold enough to contradict the old beliefs and publicly made their new found truths heard. So you can call me delusional or say that i am in a state of illusion, that is perfectly normal, i feel no bad feelings or think no bad thoughts about comments like that because i believe its extremely natural for one who has placed his beliefs on a particular belief system for the whole of his life will definitely have a hard time to even make an attempt to try and understand or investigate the true foundations of his beliefs, which is logical especially for the black man. But all i can say to you my friend is that, you can evade anything, and you can live in the dark for as long as you like, But truth, Like a very bright light of eternal force, is coming. And Nothing, Not even the strongest and the most deeply rooted lies can hide from its rays of exposure, And everything at last, will be Revealed in due time. Thank you for your post my friend, May love with you always.

MrMystrO:


My friend, if you still believe that there is an "Ever Loving" God who will allow you to undergo the most gruesome act of Terror and eternal pain, i Mean a state of pure and constant suffering for all of eternity just because of sins you commited during just one lifetime on earth, some of which might not even warrant a stroke of cain in this short inhumane world we are currently living in right now, talkless of eternity, then its either ur mind cannot decipher the difference between Love and Wickedness, Or you simply cant decipher aincient man made logical thoughts And REAL TRUTH.

MrMystrO:


I am not a christian, my friend. You can check my posts on here, my views about religion is very clear. But i do Believe there is an Ultimate Entity, A causeless cause, A universal, multidimensional consciousness, Which is the source of all existence and all levels of Realities. We are all the same infinite universal mind, just experiencing its Great endless thoughts through different forms of existence and dimensions. Nothing is really separate, everything is one and one is everything. Division and individuality are just mere tricks of our space and time reality of this physical universe. Every form of life is the same universal consciousness experiencing reality in a whole other perspective and that is the joy of existence itself. But just know and always know that there is a source, an eternal infinite conciousness, and its just too easy finding it you know why? Because all you have to do is dig really deep into the depths of your own consciousness and you will discover that YOU ARE THAT CONSCIOUSNESS, We all are!!! Individuality/separation is the biggest trick in the whole of reality itself. We all all tiny fractions of that universal ever conscious mind which made everything come into being, And the totality of all there is, and all there will ever be, Is The ONE Great Universal multidimensional consciousness Which we humans call God.
Understand things first in the best way you can first before you express your opinion or comments on them okay bruh, Its all love though, i'm sure your still a smart person anyway, Thanks for your quote.

Wilgrea7:



bless you

Akdegreat:
With an honest aim of understanding the nature of God and his wonder displayed in nature, I had set out on a quest for 'truth'. As a very inquisitive person, a sound background in scientific methods further fueled my already curious and inquisitive nature beyond normal.

As a kid, I asked several questions;
"Since God created everything that exist, what if God never existed, and hence nothing whatsoever exists? I often tried to picture a dark and void space remaining that way for all of eternity!! Whenever I did, I got lost in my wild imaginations"
"How did God come to be? Who created him?"
"What if God never created life? How would the earth be then? I often repeated same imaginations again but this time with planets, asteroids and other heavenly bodies. Of course I got lost again, severally"
"What if I was never born? So I would never have experienced the beauty of life? Scary!"
"Why did Lucifer ruin the Paradise? For Christ sakes we all would have been there now. Why didn't God even kill Lucifer at once earlier to prevent it? He knew the future!"

I grew up into a devote Christian with different questions;
"With the so many religions on earth could we possibly be worshipping the same God in different ways?"
"If the God I worship in the bible is the one true God and creator of the universe, would he destroy non-christians in hell simply because they worshipped him wrongly?"
"Would God really condemn a devote Christian to hell after years of righteous living simply because he erred one time and dies without repentance? Would he now allow a person who has done heinous things into paradise simply because he finally accepts the salvation story in the end?". I had many more questions that bothered my mind but I'd stop there.

These questions didn't matter so much as I still upheld the Bible as truth and lived by its doctrines. On a second thought they must have sown the seed of doubt in my mind; a seed that came to germinate later on.
A lot of things happened during my undergraduate study that shook my belief but for the sake of brevity, I'd mention a few..
I held the opinion that "compared to clerics, scientists better understood the awesomeness and magnificence of God". Come to think of it this way, with every scientific discovery, scientists reveal God's wonder in nature while clerics keep 'recycling' doctrines written in our ancient Holy Bible. The beautiful works of God in nature were unreconcilable with the barbarisms attributed to him in the bible. When some Bible claims corroborate with scientific findings we're good, but when 'outrageous' claims are found in the Bible, we are convinced that they're metaphorical with deeper meaning. Gradually, it became obvious that science had more credence compared to religion. My religiosity reduced drastically as well as my total trust in the bible as ultimate truth. Not sure anymore, I wondered if there's a creator (God) or not. I mean, 'the Bible must have so poorly described God' I thought.

Aside from bible, I sought knowledge of God from various books on religion, spirituality and nature. I read the Qur'an and it bored me. I came across "Earth's Chronicles, The 12th Planet, and other controversial books by Zecharia Sitchin. They were indeed controversial, and I asked myself 'how did he know all those things?' The works of Thomas Paine is worthy of mention. I agreed with him largely, especially his 'Age of Reason'. I discussed my thoughts with another 'thinker' (I choose not to mention his name) and he introduced me to the 'Sumerian Texts', the 'Epic of Gilgamesh' among other amazing books. Wow! What have I been doing. They shared similarities with the Bible so I couldn't help but wonder and ask more questions. 'Did I believe in a big lie all these while?' ...

TheSixthSense:

I never called you delusional but I apologise anyway. Let's take it step by step because I made a suggestion of which your response to that isn't contained in your reply. Do you know for certain what religion you are into? Do you know the roots and history of what has been made to seem so glamorous and 'all about love' to you now? If you do then fine, but I only assumed you haven't done your research on it that's why I say there is a deity behind it that is NOT God nor truth. How do I know? Let's say you are not the first and won't be the last.

Wilgrea7:




your beliefs interest me... I've had the same feeling too.. i would like to know more

mecussey:


My bro, wisdom is sorrow....Just channel this energy to inventions or discoveries. The more you want to enquire about God, the more you are lost. Honestly, God will not answer any of this your questions which is the best answer anyway. For now, we no get light for Africa, if you can provide cheap 24hrs light for Africa, you are God sent, in fact you can even claim say u be one of the angels and nobody will question you.

MrMystrO:

I'm a very open minded person so i give consideration to every information i come across but rely in my inner connection to my infinite consciousness to certify what is the truth or not. Now, let us assume you are right, there is a force not of truth or Of the divine infinite, leading me to these conclusions, but of another evil agenda of misleading us from the real truth, Yeah, you MAY be right.

But then again, What if You are wrong?? and maybe i am truly on the path to discovering the real truth and being at one with my infinite divine source, Because lets let one of the Greatest truth out here now, YOU my friend,can never be 100 percent sure of what you think is right or wrong, same as i, cuz let us reason like intelligent humans which i guess you are one, This is a FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH, you are also not 100 percent sure of what you are saying, but what moves you to stick to your belief is simply because of some certain factors which you have come across and have made you certain that what you know, is the truth, Same here bro.

But the difference between me and you is that i don't believe in a certain thing because of any factor at ALL. No matter what i see or what i hear, the truth just exposes itself to me in all things, not from my logical conclusions, But from a force deep down inside my consciousness that makes everything clear to me like a transparent glass, enabling me to see through every thoughts, beliefs, and logic without having to deliberate on it, The truth just comes crystal clear to Me my friend.

Though I have always strenuously supported the Right of every Man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he Denies himself the right of changing it. So it is okay for you to hold on to your own believes and thoughts but just know that we will never be 100 percent right about what we think we know, as we are always prone to errors as humans But just be sure to note that the most lethal tool to correcting any error of any kind is Nothing but Truth, Pure and undefiled truth, And you can only find it by digging deep down into the source of your consciousness when confronted with Complex Life questions. Its In you, its in me, and its in every single one of us humans on this planet. Just look deep down inside you my friend, go deep down into that infinite never ending consciousness of yours and you will find the truth, And trust me man, THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.

Akdegreat:


Must I fast everyday and pray 10 times a day before God reveals himself to me? That sounds ridiculous though.

However, I studied the Bible diligently. In fact I could spend hours on it. I was a worshipper, like David. I was a pianist and I worshipped in songs. I stayed clear of sin too.

pchukwudi:
I think it is LESS about what I (or you) THINK (consciously speaking) but much more of what is deeply rooted within you or me (unconsciousky speaking).

You are the second person I know of on this forum who publicly expressed his lure to atheism. And I can't help but notice that both of you had one thing in common.

And here's the thing:

When asked to give account of your Christian experience, you only talked about what you DID for God.

That's not bad.

But it was a reflex action.

It was an expression of your dominant thought (or subconsciuos framework) of what you think it means to be a Christian.

But unfortunately (without prejudice to your labor of love) Christianity is a celeberation of God's grace to us. It's not a celeberation of our works for him.

With due respect just go back to the earliest accounts of your Christian EXPERIENCE (I quoted two of them in my first comment) you'd notice that 100% of your testionies were about your own works. You could not help going back to all the things you have done for God, each time you were asked about your christian EXPERIENCE. But nowhere did I see you mention even one thing that GOD did for you.

Could it be that you never had this EXPERIENCE?

Could it be that you had it but never KNEW about it?

Or...

Could it be that you simply took it for granted?

Whatever the case may be, it was clear from your testimonies that the KNOWLEDGE OF GOD'S GRACE AND MERCY is yet to dominate your subconscious mind in abundance.


Of course I understand that you are at a crisis point where you are fighting so hard not to give up on God of the Bible entirely. But you kept citing your religious WORKS as a proof that you had held on to this God for a long. And that's exactly my point here.

If you had gained a deep rooted KNOWLEDGE of God's Grace and Mercy you will find it SO DARN HARD to recount the works you did for him. Trust me.

And when His love overwhelms you, even the things you don't yet understand about him or the world, will not permanently keep you away from him. That's the whole essnce of my earlier post.

- Love

GRIMMJOE:



Make a stand once and for all (by the way the Christian God is far from having character of a God but more of a sadist )

Wilgrea7:



i didn't say the bible is a lie... neither did i say its false. i said its been corrupted... it cannot be the word of God.. Jesus is the word of God and not the bible... there is so much I'd like to tell u...

u can open a thread so that we can discuss it so that we don't derail this thread

GRIMMJOE:
Look at this fool thinking we need inventor to acquired 24hrs light,see what religion has done to you

mecussey:


....lol we are not fighting bro...be nice. We need someone to invent 90% efficient solar panels or light weight batteries that can deliver huge amount of current for long period of time. God has done his part, let us do our part. Instead of questioning how God came about, question how the sun gets unlimited energy ( hydrogen ) to burn continuosly. That computer or phone you are using don't know how you came about but it's possible they have been asking and you are not answering them yet you are so kind to charge them when there battery is dead, fix them when they have problems.. Channel your energy to something else, and be free.

mecussey:


....lol we are not fighting bro...be nice. We need someone to invent 90% efficient solar panels or light weight batteries that can deliver huge amount of current for long period of time. God has done his part, let us do our part. Instead of questioning how God came about, question how the sun gets unlimited energy ( hydrogen ) to burn continuosly. That computer or phone you are using don't know how you came about but it's possible they have been asking and you are not answering them yet you are so kind to charge them when there battery is dead, fix them when they have problems.. Channel your energy to something else, and be free.

mecussey:


My bro, wisdom is sorrow....Just channel this energy to inventions or discoveries. The more you want to enquire about God, the more you are lost. Honestly, God will not answer any of this your questions which is the best answer anyway. For now, we no get light for Africa, if you can provide cheap 24hrs light for Africa, you are God sent, in fact you can even claim say u be one of the angels and nobody will question you.

akintom:


No intelligent atheists is interested in the enquiry into discovery of God.

We have established, as a matter of fact, that God(s) is a creation of religious beliefs of humans. God is an assumptive idea, conceptualized into organized religious beliefs.

Our writings is for the purpose of enlightenment for those still held bound, by the shackles of illusion and delusion called religious beliefs.

One person per time, will be awakened from religious comatose state. And the evidence of this work, is the increasing number of Nigerians that are now awake from religious idiocy.

mecussey:


In this case, you are just stressing yourself to convince believers that they are wrong. In secondary school, at a time we had to choose science or arts...why will i waste my time trying to convince art students that science is better? The way atheist preach there is no God...as if they had querrel with the God. If I were u, i will not waste my time preaching there is no God.

raphieMontella:

your photo is wrong...
An intellectual deist can dismantle any atheist or atheists(a significant number) at any time...
The deist is more poised to the freedom than the atheist..

mecussey:


You are right here...i see atheists as anti progress and autocratic. They waste a lot of time and energy to claim they are the right. Imagine, two persons come to a T- junction leading to an uncertain destinations and one decides to go left and the other decides to go right. The atheist heading towards right will fight tooth and nail to convince you, he is in the right direction even when he is not certain. Unlike a free thinker who would say, I think this is the right direction but if you think the other way is the right one, you may proceed bc I am not certain.

akintom:


You religious folks assume too much, albeit irritatingly.

*atheists stressing themselves?

Another word for stress is stimulus. Every human being is under the influence of stimuli. So, debug your mind from negative connotation.

Atheists are stimulated by the factual intelligence, as against the badly written fictional book (Bible) that stimulates you folks to assume without evidence.

*quarrel with God?

Another puerile assumption of you religious folks there. There's no denying the fact, there are some who became atheists, following disillusionment from religious beliefs. But i refer to INTELLIGENT ATHEIST (those who discover God to be just a mere idea, in the course of their studies in different areas of their chosen career).

We are not preaching, we are just sharing our writings, enlightening people, in the similitude of enlightenment that the knowledge of ICT is doing.

We seek no convert, just people who can make informed choices based on empirical evidence, as against empty claims of religion.

TheSixthSense:
I highlighted your frequent use of consciousness Again, I would suggest you go down to the roots of this New Age consciousness thing you are talking about and see if you will be able to practice it in its pure mystical form.

[b]Jesus Christ is life and truth and He is right.

Well, My Good friend, I think this is where we come to the end of our discussion on this matter because i was wrong about you, which was for thinking that you had a liberal mind, But i can now tell you are still trapped in the confines of religion, which are exactly the kind of people i avoid at all costs, not because i despise them, or because i dont think they are right in what they are doing(Religion isnt exactly All wrong, there's still some good in it) But because, I still consider religion a form of mental slavery, and i Place my spirituality, and my Beliefs OUTSIDE of it. We can never come to a conclusion that has to do with anything outside your religion so why bother? Its all the same in all religions
You will stand with all belief and faith that jesus christ is right, and He is the truth. A Muslim will stand with even more belief and say Mohamed is right, and is the truth. A Buddhist will also stand with all his might on the solid belief that Buddha, or Maitreya is right and is the truth. Its all the same thing to me, i cannot contradict anyone's belief, to me you are Good christian who was probably born and raised a christian or better still found Christianity later in life and held it as the ultimate truth. Why would i try to convince you otherwise Not to practice your religion? i cannot Do that. But i can tell you something my friend. If you look through the veils of religion which has made it seem like we are all on a different path and we are all practicing different things, you will find out that every one of these saviors, Buddha, jesus, mohhamed, Zoroaster and all the rest all Had a particular message in common, which i think is the fundamental TRUTH behind every religion before it was altered by man for population control purposes, and that Message is Love. The infinite multidimentional mind brought about existence With the power of Love and that was the message These enlightened men thought, Before they were corrupted by the world government thousands of years ago and edited and edited and edited over again, adding such concepts as hell to instill fear in the human mind so you dont wonder too far astray from your particular religion, and thats why someone who believes in a certain religion will argue and cast down someone from another religion not knowing that its all basically the same message. Like i said, truth doesnt hide because its force is like that of light, WHICH exposes all things, And Love is the Only truth my friend, and it is The most powerful and the most eternal force there ever is, And that is exactly just what We humans need, Not religion, not tribalism, not money, nothing Else, Just love alone is enough to transform the earth and unite all humans regardless of religion, race or tribe.

With Jesus Christ one can never go wrong. Never. 'If we hoped for Christ in this life only we are most of all men miserable' (1 Cor 15:19). We cannot both claim to have the truth that are parallels. Either one isn't.


This your 'truth' you aren't the first to discover it and many people have left it rather saved by Jesus Christ from it. I hope it becomes much clearer to you to find out every detail about it.

Lol you cannot discover light and Go back to the Dark my friend, it doesnt work that way. Jesus was an enlightened man, He thought the message of Love, Real selfless love, and thats all i ever believe in. For someone who was so selfless i dont think his main priority was for anyone to worship him, But for all humans to Find God, And achieve the state of God consciousness like he did, Through the power of Love.
I Was born a christian, i read the bible everyday to the end b4 i got to the age of 12 and repented for three years, i was a "Good christian". But then like i said, Truth always reveals itself and then when i realized and discovered how edited and how very much manipulated the book we call the bible is, i had to start on my search for Truth, i read countless original documents and scriptures which was used in the bible and thoroughly edited by the romans to fit their political ambitions and that was when i realized what the true aim of establishing religion was, A Means of Public Control!! Jesus NEVER wanted it that way, the romans did. You will be really amazed when you read the original untouched teachings of the apostles about the life of jesus and find a whole other different story my friend. The world we are living in is a world of control, and religion, just like other institutions have been corrupted by the rulers of this earth to keep the minds of the people at bay, which is not what jesus, or any other saviour would have wanted my friend.

I have not denied your right to your opinion or freedom of worship. I cannot do that. I only advise from little of what I know. Using the term truth here leads to ambiguity. Let's use knowledge as replacement for truth. For what you currently consider knowledge, there is a higher knowledge in Jesus Christ. No other is above Jesus Christ. I am not saying I am right and you are wrong but my faith and hope is in Jesus Christ and He is truth.

Knowledge, Is not And can Never be Truth, you know why? Because knowledge is not self revealing, it does Not remain The same, And it has to be Learnt or thought. Through time all knowledge evolve and new knowledge can come and take its place, thereby disproving what people then might call knowledge because the new knowledge is better and more reasonable, But TRUTH does not change, TRUTH Does not have to be thought because Truth is Self revealing. Jesus Found truth even in the midst of the beliefs of the saducees, the pharisees and the Romans because Truth is and will always be self Revealing, Even b4 the age of 12, He was already enlightened in what He felt and knew was the truth and didnt believe in the teachings which were layed down for all jews to believe in, which is exactly the situation i am in right now with u, Because i have found the truth, i know it from deep down inside me, and it wasnt thought to me by anyone, but my inner divine consciousness. So i expect you react this way, its normal.
Questions for you to ponder on

Does your consciousness tell you about the afterlife? Does your consciousness tell you about divine judgement? or is it all about providing an illusory positivity in this life only?

Yes, My consciousness tells me about the after life, it revealed itself to me that we are on a spiritual journey on this earth, a journey of Learning and Growth for the soul so we can progress to another higher dimension of Existence so much higher than the one we are in now. And the requirements for your soul to achieve a higher level of consciousness and existence is not as much as religion claims it is, but by just these three things, Thinking good thoughts, doing Good deeds, and SPREADING LOVE TO EVERYONE AROUND YOU, WHEREVER YOU GO. Most souls/consciousness are still on a low stage in their spiritual developments that is why they are prone to evil deeds and all manner of despicable acts while here on their journey on earth, But but the reward for such a soul is NOT ETERNAL DAMNATION, NO! Karma exists and all souls that have been so lost in the act of evil here on earth will come back again on another journey to earth, to repay all the sins and evil deeds he has done in his past lives, it might take up to 100 lifetimes, 200, 500, or even more lifetimes for him to repay his negative karma but eventually he will pay it off completely and then progress to the next phase of higher existence than this one, which the enlightened men of old called heaven. No soul, is given more than it can bear and all souls must and will achieve redemption, There is no eternal condemnation, only a finite repayment of one's negative deeds which is why we were born anyway, to learn and to grow and at the end, become one with the eternal multidimensional conscious creator. Thank you so much for your time sir, this is the last of my posts, Have a great day.

MrMystrO:


The story of adam and eve is such an obvious myth that i still wonder why and how many Christians probably under the fear of, loosing faith or questioning their faith, still stick to such an ancient and flawed fable which is so obvious it was coined, imagined and written by a human mind which had just recently come out of the stone age, Trying his best to express his thoughts on how he viewed and understood the world around him at that time, which was obviously a good attempt at that time, but i still dont see how humans can still believe in such myths simply because the world was cleansed by the church during the dark ages and eliminated any forms of doubts from our ancestors who thought ur great grand fathers who thought your fathers who eventually thought you and you had no choice than to believe, Thereby suppressing the very same attribute which makes us divine, which is our infinite consciousnesses eternal quest of finding the truth, which is the real reason humans ask questions in the first place. Its very simple, concerning the story of adam and eve we both know there are some questions that can never be answered by anyone at all because of its very flawed nature.
1. if adam and eve were the first humans on earth, the bible recorded them having only two children which are two sons, cain and abel, and if you can dig really deep and read the complete story of adam and eve that was not included in the bible called The lost books of Eden, you'll find a third son also known as seth. Now, the first logical question is, if they eventually had just 3 sons, how were they able to populate the world to this point, and which the logical explanation would be that they slept with their mum which i found very unlikely.

2. After cain killed abel and had his encounter with God over the issue,(i dont wanna ponder too much on it), God cursed cain and said a fugitive and a vagabond shall he be on the earth and cain, knowing the extent of his punishment became afraid and said to God that he was now hidden from his presence, which means that anyone who found him will kill him, B4 God placed a mark on him so no one who found him will kill him, Abeg who were the people who were supposed to find cain on earth and kill him because as long as im concerned wat d bible has already made clear was that there was only five people who were supposed to be on earth by that time which was Adam, eve, cain, seth and abel who was already dead, so who were the people God was actually protecting cain from being murdered by?

3. And this is even the most annoying and obviously most revealing one because the bible the says after cain left the lords presence, He eventually went to dwell in the Land of Nod, found his wife there and then made love to her. Abeg, even if you dont have an active brain or an inquisitive mind, Your common sense should be enough to tell you that a man, Thousands of years ago, sat down to imagine and ponder the origin of his existence, And since he was very primitive in thinking and very limited in knowledge, He formed a story based on the realities surrounding him at that particular time in history, And since people also needed answers to the questions they had too, which is an ever present quality of the human soul, The story sounded really sane and realistic at that time, And since there wasn't much stories or more meaningful concepts of the beginning available to them At that time, the primitive people of old easily believed in the story and rigorously stuck to that belief, and then kept passing the stories and beliefs down from one generation to another for thousands of years until those beliefs eventually became generally accepted truth. But Lies can never become the truth because no matter how long it may take for a lie to persist and linger on, Truth will always prevail because it is a self revealing force, And doesnt change but always remains what it is, Truth, Which is also an Essential quality of the ever conscious source/counciousness behind all of creation Because the universe itself, is a Grand manifestation of truth, Brought into existence by the power of love, Which is the greatest force of the creator.

So If you can open mindedly, without any bias thoughts or religious sentiment explain these very evident flaws in the biblical story of the history of human civilization, Then i would have every reason to believe that you are not just one of those sheeps who just wants to stay in line with the heard for fear of being seeing as a deserter or outcast, But a Sound mind whose belief is not based on the fact that most people belief in it so it has to be true, But has his belief deeply rooted in your subconscious where true The real truth can be found and not even an atom of doubt can be found.

Waiting for your answer: This might prally be the best chance for u to convert a nairander to your beliefs, so im really hoping to Hear something Logically sound and a deeply sincere form of truth from you. Thanks

raphieMontella:

you are wrong bro..
Maybe what you're clutching at are gnostic atheists....
Majority of atheists are agnostic atheists..
And the gnostic atheists;their inclination seems to be that---with time,science will find out that ''nature is eternal'' or something similar..

mecussey:


its still didnt make sense to me....a free thinker would say "whether you believe there is God or there is no God, you are right. However, let us make the world a better place" unlike atheists who claim all knowing...religious folks are deluded, brain washed..bla bla bla. The bible said this did that, Quaran did this and that.

kolaish:
Sorry I just saw your write up, have been busy in my workplace. Beside Adam and Eve, there are those called the sons of God, actually they are falling angels on earth that came to mingle with humans -

Genesis 6:4: The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.



Beside this, the list of witnesses to Jesus Christ is overwhelming, that is, besides the prophet of old like Moses, David etc and his disciples’ narration, if you go to the roman museums, you will still see some of the stories in their archives, not to talk of spiritual manifestations that I myself have seen and heard. For example, I heard the voice of the holy spirit clearly when I want to choose my wife twelve years ago. I marveled some years ago while I was in Jerusalem that all the biblical stories are still intact and they are sites to behold. My brother, fabricated stories cannot be these real; from Tower of David to mount of olives, the dead sea, pool of Bethsaida etc.

mecussey:


....lol we are not fighting bro...be nice. We need someone to invent 90% efficient solar panels or light weight batteries that can deliver huge amount of current for long period of time.

mecussey:
God has done his part, let us do our part. Instead of questioning how God came about, question how the sun gets unlimited energy ( hydrogen ) to burn continuosly. That computer or phone you are using don't know how you came about but it's possible they have been asking and you are not answering them yet you are so kind to charge them when there battery is dead, fix them when they have problems.. Channel your energy to something else, and be free.