EMMAACHILE:


First 14 days= 1 vitalfeed broiler starter feed
14-21 days= 1 vitalfeed chicken mash
22-29 days= 1 vitalfeed grower
29- =1 hybrid grower mash

It's three bags to day 29.

Thanks, so I can also buy 3 bags of broiler starter for the first month. I want construct a big wooden cage of 8ft(L) x 8ft(B) x 5ft(H) for 50 noiler hope it will contain them all through the four months?

Fargbaba:


Thanks, so I can also buy 3 bags of broiler starter for the first month. I want construct a big wooden cage of 8ft(L) x 8ft(B) x 5ft(H) for 50 noiler hope it will contain them all through the four months?

Assuming it can be larger like 12ft by 8ft.
The standard measurement is 3 feet per square inch meaning 8*8feet will be 64/3=21 chicken size or 64/2=32 chickens using 2 feet per square.

Day 34
I administered garlic with onion to about 6 litres of water overnight yesterday and by morning the water was almost finished.

Below are pictures of the chicks two days ago and on free range outside their pen.

Second picture below shows loss of feathers and I suspect low crude protein as being responsible as I used grower feed from vitalfeed and hybrid in the last two weeks.
I will boosting the meal with 15% roasted soyabeans to push the crude protein to about 20% today

Formula is this
48*15 (soybeans cp*percent of meal) + 15*85 (hybrid grower cp*percent of meal)
=720+1275/100
Average of 19.95 crude protein

After this I will use vitalfeed broiler finisher or broiler finisher concentrate for the remaining weeks

EMMAACHILE:
Second picture below shows loss of feathers and I suspect low crude protein as being responsible as I used grower feed from vitalfeed and hybrid in the last two weeks.
I will boosting the meal with 15% roasted soyabeans to push the crude protein to about 20% today

Formula is this
48*15 (soybeans cp*percent of meal) + 15*85 (hybrid grower cp*percent of meal)
=720+1275/100
Average of 19.95 crude protein

After this I will use vitalfeed broiler finisher or broiler finisher concentrate for the remaining weeks

ONE QUESTION BRO:
what is the feed consumption of these birds? do they eat like broilers?
if so, why would u raise a bird for 14 weeks when u can attain similar results with broilers at 8 - 9 weeks.
what is the average weight of these birds right now?

U see bro, I'm following ur posts like crazy. I'm attracted to noilers based on what I heard that they can eat low quality feed and still do well, just that it might take them a little longer to reach market weight. I am planning to experiment on them next year. So your thread and that of kayo80 is trying to help me decide on the optimum trade-off between lower feed costs and longer rearing (and feeding) period.

so far, I do not see the logic in using the same grade of feed i would use for broilers to feed noilers. It will only make me spend more on feeding. am also considering the fact that a lot of people will want to down price is as local chicken. I would either need to sell by kg (low total sales value due to reduction in dressed weight) or sell at even lower prices to the middle men.

obstead200:

ONE QUESTION BRO:
what is the feed consumption of these birds? do they eat like broilers?
if so, why would u raise a bird for 14 weeks when u can attain similar results with broilers at 8 - 9 weeks.
what is the average weight of these birds right now?

so far, I do not see the logic in using the same grade of feed i would use for broilers to feed noilers. It will only make me spend more on feeding. am also considering the fact that a lot of people will want to down price is as local chicken. I would either need to sell by kg (low total sales value due to reduction in dressed weight) or sell at even lower prices to the middle men.

My view is this, the noilers we have in Nigeria might not be the same with the popular kuroiler breed.
The only difference I see between noilers and broilers will be meat quality. The meat will definitely be better.

The feed consumption from my view is same as broilers. It's very possible to attain over 2kg in weight if fed broiler feed in 10 weeks or attain 3kg in 12 weeks. Currently I should be approaching 1kg in 5 weeks using a combination of broiler starter, chick mash, grower feeds.

In the next few weeks, I will be able to tell the difference in cost of raising broilers vs noilers.

obstead200
Average weight as at 30 days was 500g. I will weigh them this week after 5 weeks.

obstead200:

ONE QUESTION BRO:
what is the feed consumption of these birds? do they eat like broilers?
if so, why would u raise a bird for 14 weeks when u can attain similar results with broilers at 8 - 9 weeks.
what is the average weight of these birds right now?

U see bro, I'm following ur posts like crazy. I'm attracted to noilers based on what I heard that they can eat low quality feed and still do well, just that it might take them a little longer to reach market weight. I am planning to experiment on them next year. So your thread and that of kayo80 is trying to help me decide on the optimum trade-off between lower feed costs and longer rearing (and feeding) period.

so far, I do not see the logic in using the same grade of feed i would use for broilers to feed noilers. It will only make me spend more on feeding. am also considering the fact that a lot of people will want to down price is as local chicken. I would either need to sell by kg (low total sales value due to reduction in dressed weight) or sell at even lower prices to the middle men.

I would advise you stick with Broilers. I am rearing Noilers for personal reasons... Profits is not my sole purpose.

EMMAACHILE:

Assuming it can be larger like 12ft by 8ft.
The standard measurement is 3 feet per square inch meaning 8*8feet will be 64/3=21 chicken size or 64/2=32 chickens using 2 feet per square.

Thanks alot. May be I will make two of that 8ft x 8ft so I can separate them into two at week 10 or construct 12ft x 8ft at once, just that I have limited space and free range is not an option.

Fargbaba:


Thanks alot. May be I will make two of that 8ft x 8ft so I can separate them into two at week 10 or construct 12ft x 8ft at once, just that I have limited space and free range is not an option.

Construct two. It will be more than enough.

EMMAACHILE:
Day 34
I administers garlic with onion to about 6 litres of water overnight yesterday and by morning the water was almost finished.

Below are pictures of the chicks two days ago and on free range outside their pen.

Why garlic and onion....

kayo80:


I would advise you stick with Broilers. I am rearing Noilers for personal reasons... Profits is not my sole purpose.

Noilers can still be raised commercially but the only downside I see is that disparity in size between them. Some grow so big and other small.
Apart from that, it is a good breed.

I am raising mine for personal consumption so I have no problem of any target.

After this, I will go for three different breeds and raise together
1. Isa brown or tetra harco layers
2. white cockerels
3. Cobb 700 broilers

Maybe even add local turkey for free range in the compound. I don't normally sell my Poultry.

jfkenny:

Why garlic and onion....

Both are similar in their use in poultry. Onion is known to increase water intake in poultry than garlic but with similar work like garlic.

I administer in the ratio of 1:4 onion:garlic to water and use for two days in their water. The first day is said to work on antibiotic activity in poultry and the second day will boost their immune system. Onion is known and more reliable in that field.

Garlic (Allium sativum) and onion (Allium cepa) are among the common medicinal plants used as growth promoters.

These functions were attributed to bioactive components present in garlic, that could be responsible for the growth promoting effect of garlic. Onion is also a rich source of this substance.

EMMAACHILE:

Both are similar in their use in poultry. Onion is known to increase water intake in poultry than garlic but with similar work like garlic.

I administer in the ratio of 1:4 onion:garlic to water and use for two days in their water. The first day is said to work on antibiotic activity in poultry and the second day will boost their immune system. Onion is known and more reliable in that field.

Garlic (Allium sativum) and onion (Allium cepa) are among the common medicinal plants used as growth promoters.

These functions were attributed to bioactive components present in garlic, that could be responsible for the growth promoting effect of garlic. Onion is also a rich source of this substance.

Nice, and thanks..

EMMAACHILE:

Noilers can still be raised commercially[b] but the only downside I see is that disparity in size between them. Some grow so big and other small.[/b]
Apart from that, it is a good breed.

I am raising mine for personal consumption so I have no problem of any target.

After this, I will go for three different breeds and raise together
1. Isa brown or tetra haco layers
2. white cockerels
3. Cobb 700 broilers

Maybe even add local turkey for free range in the compound. I don't normally sell my Poultry.

That's the biggest issue with Noilers. If Amo Hatchery could just pack them separately (male separately from female), then it would be perfect. The females are too small compared to the male, and because they (female) look like local chicken, it might be hard to sell.

kayo80:


That's the biggest issue with Noilers. If Amo Hatchery could just pack them separately (male separately from female), then it would be perfect. The females are too small compared to the male, and because they (female) look like local chicken, it might be hard to sell.

True talk. I saw some red cockerel from karmadex hatchery, I was amazed. Uniform growth but matures in 4 to 5 months.

I have a friend that does not like broilers meat because of its tender and soft nature. What he does is to feed the broilers grounded maize after ten weeks for about two weeks to slaughter.

The maize hardens and sweetens poultry meat and he slaughters at 12 weeks with meat tasting like cockerels
This method is also used on turkey broiler meat too. They are fed dried maize for two weeks before slaughter which sweetens the meat.

EMMAACHILE:

True talk. I saw some red cockerel from karmadex hatchery, I was amazed. Uniform growth but matures in 4 to 5 months.

I have a friend that does not like broilers meat because of its tender and soft nature. What he does is to feed the broilers grounded maize after ten weeks for about two weeks to slaughter.

The maize hardens and sweetens poultry meat and he slaughters at 12 weeks with meat tasting like cockerels
This method is also used on turkey broiler meat too. They are fed dried maize for two weeks before slaughter which sweetens the meat.

Red Cockerels? This is the first time I am hearing this.

kayo80:


Red Cockerels? This is the first time I am hearing this.

See the pics below

EMMAACHILE:

See the pics below

Hmm! This is how some of my male Noilers look.

EMMAACHILE:

See the pics below

I wouldn't mind trying these out.

kayo80:


Hmm! This is how some of my male Noilers look.

Noilers are a mix of different breeds. Looks like layers, broilers, cockerels, etc

kayo80:


I wouldn't mind trying these out.

It's about 80 naira per chick. I will find out the name of this cockerel breed. Looks like a mix from Israel broiler breed called Anak

EMMAACHILE:

It's about 80 naira per chick. I will find out the name of this cockerel breed. Looks like a mix from Israel broiler breed called Anan.

Okay. I don't mind o. Pls help me find out. Thanks.

EMMAACHILE:

Noilers are a mix of different breeds. Looks like layers, broilers, cockerels, etc

Yup!

kayo80:


I would advise you stick with Broilers. I am rearing Noilers for personal reasons... Profits is not my sole purpose.

hmmm. interesting advice.
i will still try a few noilers next year anyway. I will try to minimise cost of feed by combining local materials as best as possible. i will track my costs and see what i get in 12 to 14 weeks.

obstead200:

hmmm. interesting advice.
i will still try a few noilers next year anyway. I will try to minimise cost of feed by combining local materials as best as possible. i will track my costs and see what i get in 12 to 14 weeks.

Okay.

I called Amo farms today to ask about their recommendation of feed type for noilers and this is what the lady told me

Males
0-28 days = broiler starter
29-70 days= grower
Above 70 days= finisher

Females
0-28 days = broiler starter
29-98 days= grower
Above 98 days= layer mash

The females start laying from the 17th week.

This means separately the males and females from the 10th week (70 days). Thats plenty stress in my opinion.

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EMMAACHILE:
I called Amo farms today to ask about their recommendation of feed type for noilers and this is what the lady told me

Males
0-28 days = broiler starter
29-70 days= grower
Above 70 days= finisher

Females
0-28 days = broiler starter
29-98 days= grower
Above 98 days= layer mash

The females start laying from the 17th week.

This means separately the males and females from the 10th week (70 days). Thats plenty stress in my opinion.

Thanks for sharing ur research here. It is amazing that u r highly grounded in poultry business.. Weldone, am simply learning each day..

jfkenny:

Thanks for sharing ur research here. It is amazing that u r highly grounded in poultry business.. Weldone, am simply learning each day..

I still be learner oh!

EMMAACHILE:
I still be learner oh!

Not really

Turks:
Noilers are highly susceptible to coccidental from week 4 -12. I know this cos I've raised them, supplied to my clients, and they all had the same cocci issue. They're not as disease resistant as we think them to be between the ages of 4 and 12weeks. once they go past that mark, they become highly resistant to any disease. Trust me, I know. I subjected my birds to a very dirty environment for experimental purposes; I allowed them feed and sleep in a very unkempt environment just to induce cocci but nothing...They were as fit as a fiddle. Saying they're very disease resistant from day one, to me is like counting your eggs before they hatch; they'll surprise you. At the very tender age, you need to boost their immunity; not necessarily with antibiotics cos they'll need it in the nearest future.


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Day 37
Danger: saw blood poo in two places. I had to locate the victim and isolate outside the pen.
I am suspecting it of contracting it from a three week old litre in my garden who was filled and used as manure for my bitter leaf and scent leaf tree.

Pictures to come later.

Treatment: I mixed prococ and keproceryl in 6 litres of water and 1.5 litres for the victim isolated outside.

I have cleared the garden and wait for it to dry before releasing the chicks outside in the evening.