Syncan:



Please answer my question, then ask yours.

There is no doubt that Jesus was God but when He was born He came as a human being. Mary did not give birth to God.

easymancfc:


Jesus Always knew who he was... Atleast at age 12 he knew he was in his Father's House see Luke 2:41-51.... and at the wedding of Canna, He knew that his ministry had not started yet see John 2 especially verse 4.. Besides even as a baby he was not just an ordinary human baby... He was aware... Angels in heaven were singing, wise men followed a star and brought gifts see Luke 2:8-20

Did you just say Jesus always knew who He was, even as from year 0-12?

Ubenedictus:


The issue isnt about idolising mothers.

d issue is simple, did mary carry God in her womb? did she give birth to him?

If Mary carried God in her womb do you think she would have survived it? Have you heard the truth that no one can see God and live?

Ubenedictus:


Jesus was born on earth, a joseph was his foster father

Agreed.

Ubenedictus:


greater in what sense?

A mother by definition precedes her child and at some point is more powerful than her child. So to call Mary the "mother of God" gives the misleading implication that Mary preceded and at one time was more powerful than the Lord God Almighty.

Syncan:


Hahahaha, it's not by shouting. The Church fathers, who canonized the books you now know as scripture, understood that verse as well as I do. That's why your erroneous position was condemned by them and I. In the womb of Mary was the word (JN.1:14),..."and the word was God" JN.1:1

You keep going on about "church fathers" which of the disciples who lived and ate with Jesus referred to Mary as the mother of God?

solite3:


the apostles of Christ who wrote the scriptures which church fathers canonised never recognised Mary as the mother of God. It was the invention of roman pagan tradition.

Paul in speaking to the Jews said Jesus is the seed of David according to the flesh which means Jesus relationship with Mary as his mother or David as his father ended in the flesh.
Jesus said his mother and brethren are those who listen to his words.
Mary was just a vessel used by God.

Correct.

OLAADEGBU:


A mother by definition precedes her child and at some point is more powerful than her child. So to call Mary the "mother of God" gives the misleading implication that Mary preceded and at one time was more powerful than the Lord God Almighty.

DID mary not carry the lord GOD almighty and cared for him? it has nothing to do with who preceds or is greater. she did a good job, gave birth to God and cared for him.
na u know weytin concern greatnes for inside.

OLAADEGBU:


Did you just say Jesus always knew who He was, even as from year 0-12?

Y NOT?

OLAADEGBU:


There is no doubt that Jesus was God but when He was born He came as a human being. Mary did not give birth to God.

let us clap for the new nestorius d bibler says "in him dwellth the fullness of d godhead bodily. he didnt leave his god nature in heaven.

solite3:
the apostles of Christ who wrote the scriptures which church fathers canonised never recognised Mary as the mother of God. It was the invention of roman pagan tradition.

Paul in speaking to the Jews said Jesus is the seed of David according to the flesh which means Jesus relationship with Mary as his mother or David as his father ended in the flesh.
Jesus said his mother and brethren are those who listen to his words.
Mary was just a vessel used by God.

Isn't it funny that you now know the teachings of the apostles more than those who canonized the bible. You are accusing those who canonized the bible in 393AD, then few years later in 431AD denounced the heresy of Nestorius (which you now hold unto) and declared Mary Theotokus, of practicing pagan tradition and your proof is the book they canonized. They read the scriptures in original languages, they interacted with the children of the apostles disciples, you come after 1500yrs, with all the multiple teachings of Protestantism, and claim you now know better than them. Have you for once asked yourself "If St. Paul said in First Corinthians that he had written them an earlier epistle, where is it? What was the content?" The apostles taught by word of mouth, and wrote where they deem fit. Let me not go further, for even you don't believe the scriptures, for it says that the word was made flesh and dwelth among us (first, in Mary's womb). Mary bore the word in her womb, and the word was God. Mary is Theotokus (God bearer). There is no where in the whole of scriptures, where Scripture says Mary is not the mother of God.

A mother doesn't always precede her child that's not always correct.... Look at this scenario
A 30 year old guy whose father is 54 marries a girl of 25... this girl can be called his mother or step mother... but it doesn't mean she precedes him

OLAADEGBU:


There is no doubt that Jesus was God but when He was born He came as a human being. Mary did not give birth to God.

Matt. 2:11

And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

Did the wise men commit Idolatory in the passage above?

OLAADEGBU:


You keep going on about "church fathers" which of the disciples who lived and ate with Jesus referred to Mary as the mother of God?

Show me any one that said she isn't the mother of God.

Ubenedictus:
So we have 2 Jesus abi, one is just man, the other is God and man.


MAY GOD SAVE US FROM THE ERRORS OF NESTORIUS

nope we have one Jesus with two natures one God and the other man. Jesus was a man in Mary's womb.
It was the human nature of Christ that was formed and developed in Mary's womb.

Ubenedictus:
Who did she give birth to? The man only Jesus or the GOD+MAN Jesus?

Mary gave birth to Jesus as a man only, Jesus as God is his spiritual nature was is beyond Mary.

We can say Jesus human nature was formed in Mary and Jesus was born. I know your problem you think Christ divine nature is like his human body that can be carried you are wrong Paul said that the Godhead is not like the things we make with hands. Jesus divine nature never develops neither can it be borne

Ubenedictus:
DID mary not carry the lord GOD almighty and cared for him? it has nothing to do with who preceds or is greater. she did a good job, gave birth to God and cared for him.
na u know weytin concern greatnes for inside.

Mary cannot take care of the Almighty. Saying Mary is the mother of God is saying Mary at some point was greater than God because a baby is dependent on her mother. Saying Mary gave birth to God means you are saying Mary gave birth to God the father, the son and the holy Spirit.

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Isn't it funny that you now know the teachings of the apostles more than those who canonized the bible. You are accusing those who canonized the bible in 393AD, then few years later in 431AD denounced the heresy of Nestorius (which you now hold unto) and declared Mary Theotokus, of practicing pagan tradition and your proof is the book they canonized. They read the scriptures in original languages, they interacted with the children of the apostles disciples, you come after 1500yrs, with all the multiple teachings of Protestantism, and claim you now know better than them.

it a seems you hate it anytime christians quote scripture. Is the scripture wrong? You are saying the church fathers canonized the scriptures were they the ones who wrote the scriptures?
You are just like the pharisees, the scribes and lawyers who believed they kept the laws of moses hence anything they say is always correct but Jesus denounced them heavily.
According to you Jesus should not have denounced the teachings of the pharisees seeing they were older than him and where the one who preserved the law.

Have you for once asked yourself "If St. Paul said in First Corinthians that he had written them an earlier epistle, where is it? What was the content?" The apostles taught by word of mouth, and wrote where they deem fit. Let me not go further, for even you don't believe the scriptures, for it says that the word was made flesh and dwelth among us (first, in Mary's womb). Mary bore the word in her womb, and the word was God. Mary is Theotokus (God bearer). There is no where in the whole of scriptures, where Scripture says Mary is not the mother of God.

do you know there may be books written by moses which may prove Christ wrong will you accept this? How would you know such a book doesn't exist?
In the bible nothing like theotokus not even a hint have you ever seat down and read the bible?
Funny man you are asking me where is the alleged books Paul wrote. Well what we have today is the complete bible nothing more! Any other book is not inspired are at best forged.

solite3:

it a seems you hate it anytime christians quote scripture. Is the scripture wrong? You are saying the church fathers canonized the scriptures were they the ones who wrote the scriptures?
You are just like the pharisees, the scribes and lawyers who believed they kept the laws of moses hence anything they say is always correct but Jesus denounced them heavily.

.According to you Jesus should not have denounced the teachings of the pharisees seeing they were older than him and where the one who preserved the lado you know there may be books written by moses which may prove Christ wrong will you accept this? How would you know such a book doesn't exist?
In the bible nothing like theotokus not even a hint have you ever seat down and read the bible?
Funny man you are asking me where is the alleged books Paul wrote. Well what we have today is the complete bible nothing more! Any other book is not inspired are at best forged.

1.Hahahaha, false accusations you have resorted to now, lol. Are my posts not laced with scriptural references? Lol. Syncan will not blow his trumpet, but those who have truth in them will laugh at your accusations. Quoting scripture isn't the issue here, it's understanding what you are quoting and not wrench it into your own destruction (2Pet.3:16).

2. I don't know where you got your Pharisee quarrels, it doesn't concern me. You want to see Theotokus in Scripture abi, OK na. What scripture tells me is that :

Mary bore in her womb the "Mighty God" Isaiah 9:6.
Mary bore in her womb the word made flesh, and this word was God Jn.1:1-14 .
Mary gave birth to a Child who was God and was worshipped. Matt.2:11

That's all I need to know, if you know where scripture says Mary is not the mother of God, or that her child-whom she carried in her womb- Jesus is not God, show me. Well, for the church fathers, since you know nothing about the development of the faith you claim to practice, make I leave that side for now.

solite3:
nope we have one Jesus with two natures one God and the other man. Jesus was a man in Mary's womb.
It was the human nature of Christ that was formed and developed in Mary's womb.

Go back and read Jn.1:1-14 again. The word, which was God, took flesh. In the womb of the Virgin, God took flesh. Alleluia!

solite3:
Mary cannot take care of the Almighty. Saying Mary is the mother of God is saying Mary at some point was greater than God because a baby is dependent on her mother. Saying Mary gave birth to God means you are saying Mary gave birth to God the father, the son and the holy Spirit.

Hahahaha, don't be ashamed for God, He isn't like you. He wasn't ashamed to take flesh and redeem His own, He wasn't ashamed to be born in a stable(Lk2:7). He wasn't ashamed to run to Egypt, from Herod(Matt.2:13-33). God wasn't ashamed to take flesh in the womb of Mary(Lk.1:31-35). He wasn't ashamed to obey them as His parents(LK.2:51). So don't worry about it implying that Mary is greater than God, no, our ways are not God's ways. However even on earth, mothers of Kings are not greater than them, but that's by the way.

Syncan:



1.Hahahaha, false accusations you have resorted to now, lol. Are my posts not laced with scriptural references? Lol. Syncan will not blow his trumpet, but those who have truth in them will laugh at your accusations. Quoting scripture isn't the issue here, it's understanding what you are quoting and not wrench it into your own destruction (2Pet.3:16).

2. I don't know where you got your Pharisee quarrels, it doesn't concern me. You want to see Theotokus in Scripture abi, OK na. What scripture tells me is that :

Mary bore in her womb the "Mighty God" Isaiah 9:6.
Mary bore in her womb the word made flesh, and this word was God Jn.1:1-14 .
Mary gave birth to a Child who was God and was worshipped. Matt.2:11

That's all I need to know, if you know where scripture says Mary is not the mother of God, or that her child-whom she carried in her womb- Jesus is not God, show me. Well, for the church fathers, since you know nothing about the development of the faith you claim to practice, make I leave that side for now.

it is clear you don't even know what you are saying.
Who is accusing who? Are you not the one accusing me?
Isaiah didn't say Mary is the mother of God.
Blowing your trumpet? Hahahaha.
Keep on destroying your self with false doctrine that Jesus or the apostles never knew. If any man or even an angel preach another Jesus the apostles never preached let him be accursed.

Go back and read my post again slowly.

I don't practice faith your satanic faith of marianism which like you said was developed by men.

Syncan:


Go back and read Jn.1:1-14 again. The word, which was God, took flesh. In the womb of the Virgin, God took flesh. Alleluia!

the word became flesh telling you mary bore a man not God.
Jesus existed before Mary. He is before all things.
I respect Mary not because she bear the man Christ Jesus but because of her faith.
Mary never gave her self the title theotokus, neither did Jesus or the disciples in fact Mary never played any significant role in the church like the apostles it was pagans that gave her that name. Your Jesus is the Antichrist not the Jesus of the bible.
You religion is called the cult of mary! The church of Christ is built on Jesus not Mary.

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Hahahaha, don't be ashamed for God, He isn't like you. He wasn't ashamed to take flesh and redeem His own, He wasn't ashamed to be born in a stable(Lk2:7). He wasn't ashamed to run to Egypt, from Herod(Matt.2:13-33). God wasn't ashamed to take flesh in the womb of Mary(Lk.1:31-35). He wasn't ashamed to obey them as His parents(LK.2:51). So don't worry about it implying that Mary is greater than God, no, our ways are not God's ways. However even on earth, mothers of Kings are not greater than them, but that's by the way.

when a man has run out of reason he results to insults that is your case.
Yet none of this showed Mary is the mother of God. It is not a matter of shame,Mary cannot give birth to God cause God is not born neither is he made. Mary was only the mother of the man Jesus not the word. The word had existed before Mary john 1:1.

solite3:
nope we have one Jesus with two natures one God and the other man. Jesus was a man in Mary's womb.
It was the human nature of Christ that was formed and developed in Mary's womb.

Since he was only human in mary's womb, when did he start been both GOD and MAN?

[quote author=solite3 post=52231554][/quote]did d word not become fleSh?

solite3:
Mary cannot take care of the Almighty. Saying Mary is the mother of God is saying Mary at some point was greater than God because a baby is dependent on her mother. Saying Mary gave birth to God means you are saying Mary gave birth to God the father, the son and the holy Spirit.

Please note that
1. GOD the son took human flesh jn1:14
2.that the bible records that 'the fullness of d godhead dwellth in him bodily' (i.e as he was man he had d fullness of him divinity with him)
3. from 1 and 2 we know that d person called Jesus is both God and man at the same time, even while one earth.
4. mary gave birth to this person JESUS, from her womb came forth a person who is hoth God and man

conclusion: she gave birth to God d son, she is the mother of God d son.

solite3:
Mary cannot take care of the Almighty. Saying Mary is the mother of God is saying Mary at some point was greater than God because a baby is dependent on her mother. Saying Mary gave birth to God means you are saying Mary gave birth to God the father, the son and the holy Spirit.

This means u need to brush up on d trinity. mother of God doesnt necesarily mean mother of d 3 persons. any one person in d trinity is God, u dont need to born d 3 persons to b mother of God only one person is enuf.

Ubenedictus:
Since he was only human in mary's womb, when did he start been both GOD and MAN?

Jesus didn't start being God he has always been but he was a man in Mary's womb that means Mary was the mother of the man Christ Jesus not God.

solite3:
Mary gave birth to Jesus as a man only, Jesus as God is his spiritual nature was is beyond Mary.

We can say Jesus human nature was formed in Mary and Jesus was born. I know your problem you think Christ divine nature is like his human body that can be carried you are wrong Paul said that the Godhead is not like the things we make with hands. Jesus divine nature never develops neither can it be borne

nobody said JESUS divine nature was formed in mary's womb, abeg dont accuse us falsely.

what we said is that she gave birth to GOD.
My spirit isnt produced by my mum, but she gave birth to me body and spirit, she is still my mother. u cant say she only gave birth to my body not d spirit. she gave birth to both.

Jesus divinity and spirit wasnt developed by mary but she still gave birth to a person who is God and man, u cant say she only gave birth to d man and not to God, unless u claim Jesus is 2 different persons.

Ubenedictus:
did d word not become fleSh?

the word became flesh not the word became God.Mary is not the Mother of God but of Jesus the Man just as David is not the father of God.

Ubenedictus:
Please note that
1. GOD the son took human flesh jn1:14
2.that the bible records that 'the fullness of d godhead dwellth in him bodily' (i.e as he was man he had d fullness of him divinity with him)
3. from 1 and 2 we know that d person called Jesus is both God and man at the same time, even while one earth.
4. mary gave birth to this person JESUS, from her womb came forth a person who is hoth God and man

conclusion: she gave birth to God d son, she is the mother of God d son.

saying Mary is the mother of God the son means God the Son has his origin from Mary hope you know what you are saying.