malton:
I don't know about Kogi, but Ahmadu Bello definitely isn't anything more than a human to Plateau people.

Nobody here would bat an eyelid even if you cursed out his mother. As a matter of fact, a lot of people actually hate anything that has to do with the man because they see him more as someone who embarked on a mission to spread Islam. They hate anything Islam.

Kogi's outlook might be different due to their Muslim background.

Personally, as an abusite, it can be said that I benefitted from the solid educational foundation he laid, but that's about it. Most people owe him gratitude, not violent disposition.

If you notice, Plateau was not included in my list, but there are parts of that state that still respect his memory. My response was made in reaction to a guy who said he was from Katsina and was hailing Nzeogwu for killing the Sardauna. It just didn't jell.

laudate:


No, you are the one that needs to shut his trap! Gowon came back from Aburi and enacted Decree 8 which gave Ojukwu 80% of his demands in Aburi. A wise man would have grabbed it, accepted its implementation and gone back to ask for the remaining 20%. That decree gave legal backing or legitimacy to most of the demands made in Aburi.

But what did your Ojukwu do? He rejected a decree outright that would have led to the implementation of the greater part of what was discussed at Aburi, ignored all entreaties to be reasonable, annexed or appropriated all FG resources & property in his region, and declared a war that ended up taking over 3 million of his people, to the other side of eternity.

May the souls of the departed rest in peace. And may the like of Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu who think they can resolve issues through the power of the gun, never walk our shores again!

hmmmm, bros y u day lie na.

decasey:
hmmmm, bros y u day lie na.

Haba, but all the lies are oozing from your mouth nah. You no see am?

laudate:


Bros, abeg match brake on top this your tales by moonlight. Historical records are available for anyone who wants to know why Ojukwu went to war. You say you have 10 years experience as a political scientist. Ok, congratulations. But it doesn't change the fact that your premise is wrong.

Were you not the one that made this statement below:


What led to the police action, you made reference to? Ojukwu had annexed or appropriated all FG property within his region, and despite several entreaties and warnings, he refused to heed the voices of reason.

There are many perspectives of the war, because there were many participants in that war. War is not pretty. And there are always casualties, on all sides.

Different books on the events that took place at that time need to be read along with other accounts of the Civil War, in order to compare the different perspectives so that readers can draw their own conclusions. Some of the books listed below are independent accounts of the war.

Please read the following:



According to Nigerian scholars in 2011, over 69 books and pamphlets, 53 government publications, 3 bibliographies and various theses have
been published on the 30 month long Nigerian Civil War that took place between 1967 and 1970. In the US, over 2,000 books were written about their own civil war.

So there is still a need to write more. People need to tell their stories about what happened during the war, because in the words of Chimamanda Adichie "we all remember differently."

Here is also another perspective. Maybe this excerpt will shed more light on it.

You know i dont understand what you really want here anymore. I told you that Ojukwu insisted that Ogundipe be made the supreme commander after Ironsis murder, False?.. I later told you of issue revolving around Aburri and confederation. I mentioned creation of states BEFORE the war by Gowon. whats the fuss? What are we arguing about? And you are quoting yesterday writer like Max when on this thread up-to 5 books written by players and direct observers in those events have been mentioned. And Max is comparing Isreal with Biafra? You are juxtaposing an Isreal that had all western support post world war after the genocide with a Biafra standing against Britain USSR and the rest? You just trying to muddle up the whole discuss.., Get a grip bro..

APCmyheart:




Lol name any Igbo man who is a hero of Democracy, atleast we have lots of Yoruba that are hero of democracy.

To me there is no hero of democracy in Nigeria. It would have been better if we had remained as slaves. We need d whites to come recolonize us again. All those leaders u term hero's were stupid. We are slaves, we love to b slaves. Wasted innocent lives just for a territory in quote Nigeria.

Ngokafor:




...but buhari a coup plotter whom you all voted for is your hero now right??...keep deceiving yourselves but this country is living on borrowed time..mark my words.

I don't advocate for buhari.

Eledan:


You hold this position because you didn't wake up one morning to see all those you've looked up to for inspiration and role model wiped out in one night. Sardauna and Balewa were people that most Northerners revered all their lives and you left a whole region dejected by killing some of their best leaders while keeping yours and you are here saying this, were the thr only corrupt people while all your own leaders were saints?
When you guys keep and talk this way, you only justify the revenge coup.

I know where you are coming from.. You know the irony of that story? Most of the soldiers that followed Nzeogwu to Sarduanas coup were Northerners. Don't take my word for it. Read up on that. He informed them of what they were about to do and they never disagreed. The next day after that event, there were reports of jubilation is several northern cities. Dont take my word for it, google it. The fact is that from the time of the western crises uptill the night of that coup, people have become disillusioned with events politically. And that feeling was felt across the country. Many people supported Nzeogwu. .. Things started to change few days later when the Hausa service of the BBC started to frame the whole thing as an igbo coup. It started taking the form of an igbo quest, and igbo agenda as the british using the BBC went into overdrive. Understandably, several northern officers, the likes of Babangida Danjuma and buhari included, felt offended with the killing of their ethnic men in the military and over the next few month, opportunistic politicians helped to inflame passions against the igbo and the progrom started... Do you know that Nzeogwu left Kaduna by himself. handed power over to Hassan Katsina and flew into Lagos to be arrested by Ironsi after sending Obasanjo to go and negotiate with Ironsi? Do you know that several northern politicians were arrested by Nzeogwus troops and were never harmed since they werent as dangerous to the system as the antagonistic Sarduana? All the time he was in the north, nobody tried shooting or harming him and this was the same northerners that killed every thing igbo 6 months later..

I know 100 foolish people in this country.. you are 99 of them... Even from your name it shows that you are real dullard.. If you can call a guy that plotted coup your own hero of democracy cos certainly not mine

Justdulla:
The real Hero of Democracy

owodokiri:
You know i dont understand what you really want here anymore. I told you that Ojukwu insisted that Ogundipe be made the supreme commander after Ironsis murder, False?.. I later told you of issue revolving around Aburri and confederation. I mentioned creation of states BEFORE the war by Gowon. whats the fuss? What are we arguing about? And you are quoting yesterday writer like Max when on this thread up-to 5 books written by players and direct observers in those events have been mentioned. And Max is comparing Isreal with Biafra? You are juxtaposing an Isreal that had all western support post world war after the genocide with a Biafra standing against Britain USSR and the rest? You just trying to muddle up the whole discuss.., Get a grip bro..

Oga, you are the one that needs to get a grip, o!! You stated clearly in an earlier post that Ojukwu went to war because of Ogundipe. That claim was debunked. You later denied it. Your post in which you made that statement was then called up as evidence.

Then you digressed and spoke about police action. Sources were cited to show what led to the police action (i.e. Ojukwu's rejection of decree 8, the killing of Nd'Igbo in the North, and subsequent appropriation of FG assets in his region etc.). Max Siollun is one of the respected chroniclers of the civil war and the events that preceded it. So he was cited as a source. But you have called him a 'yesterday writer' simply because you do not like his impartial views.

Now you are accusing me of muddling things up. How? Please get a grip, o!

laudate:


Oga, you are the one that needs to get a grip, o!! You stated clearly in an earlier post that Ojukwu went to war because of Ogundipe. That claim was debunked. You later denied it. Your post in which you made that statement was then called up as evidence.

Then you digressed and spoke about police action. Sources were cited to show what led to the police action (i.e. Ojukwu's rejection of decree 8, the killing of Nd'Igbo in the North, and subsequent appropriation of FG assets in his region etc.). Max Siollun is one of the respected chroniclers of the civil war and the events that preceded it. So he was cited as a source. But you have called him a 'yesterday writer' simply because you do not like his impartial views.

Now you are accusing me of muddling things up. How? Please get a grip, o!

No time for back and forth with confusionist.. If you didnt understand me, ask for clarification and i will oblige you.. Read all i wrote here and you will understand all i wanted to say.. HaVe a nice day..

NB

About Max, i was referring to his Isreal vs Biafra comparison... I dont think there are much differences with what he said and what i wrote. I didnt mean that the ONLY reason Ojukwu went to war was cos of Ogundipe.., dont even know how you came up with that.. , because i asked a question about Ogundipe? I mentioned Ogundipe to inform the person i quoted that Ojukwu didnt wake up to declare a war. Neither did he insist on an igbo leadership only.. You are just desperate to approach the discourse from the pettiest angle and you latched on that. Go back to my several posts here and understand my position.

owodokiri:
No time for back and forth with confusionist.. If you didnt understand me, ask for clarification and i will oblige you.. Read all i wrote here and you will understand all i wanted to say.. HaVe a nice day..

Oga, but you are the confusionist, nah. Please you should also go back & read what I wrote with an open mind. Do have a good day, too....

The genocidal murderous Igbo ethnic cleansing cannibals brought Nigeria to the current state of mutual hatred and deep suspicion we are in now.

Justdulla:

Truth is the IBO man's greed for total control somewhat led to some F up's, But the northerners have taken it too far. The northerners are the most greedy and sentimental sets of individuals you would fine in Nigeria Today. I see no reason whybthe IBO nation shouldntbbe granted BIAFRA if a referendum can effect that,cos Murtala Muhammed wanted to opt out of the union before,but he couldn't succeed. We need each other,but if we would keep having endless arguements,fights,issues, isn't it better to go our seperatenwaus after all couples divorce if they no longer fancy the marriage. Food for thoughts

You are right my brother, But have you ever seen any region clamoring for break up if not the IBO's, And the same Ibos clamouring for break up are not united, Their leaders are not supporting them it's just the gullible and greedy ones among them that are agitating.

Where is Unwazurike today? He formed Massob and agitating then but immediately he was given money he keep shut and now attacking Nnamdi Kanu are they United in their struggle?

I have said it if Ibos truly want to go, They should stop participating in any election, They should not contest for any post and accept Ministerial appointment and then the world will take them serious.

osazsky:

To me there is no hero of democracy in Nigeria. It would have been better if we had remained as slaves. We need d whites to come recolonize us again. All those leaders u term hero's were stupid. We are slaves, we love to b slaves. Wasted innocent lives just for a territory in quote Nigeria.

We have some that could be termed Hero of democracy, The likes of OBJ, Abdusalam are Hero of Democracy cos they conduct election and handover to civilian Govt..

Sometimes i laugh at those that always called GEJ hero of democracy cos what will he have done, He contested and lost an election and don't see how that makes him hero of democracy..

Nigeria is overdue for division.
No country can progress by recycling internalized national hatred perpetually.

Hmmm history pls u guys shld keep it up

Nzeogwu and his young crew were hero material who though inexperienced and over zealous, really meant well for their fatherland and had the balls to stake their lives and challenge the status quo unlike todays youth who spend all their time taking selfies and yapping on social media.

"Contrary to the load of wicked propaganda that has since been heaped on us, there was no decision in our meeting to single out any particular ethnic group for elimination or destruction.

Our intentions were honourable , our views were national and our goals were idealistic. We intended that the coup should be national in execution so that it would receive national acclamation.

We planned that the use of force should be minimal so that our methods could at once be seen as superior to those of the politicians, who simply went on killing the very people they were called upon to govern.

The need to bring more of the middle level officers (Majors and Lieutenant – Colonels) was discussed. But the few names that could be mentioned had to be dropped because their interpersonal connections would compromise the security of the planning.

After ninety minutes of discussion, the meeting was over. We dispersed as if from a prayer meeting since it was a Sunday and the Lord was in our midst…….." - Major Adewale Ademoyega from his book "Why we struck"

baby124:
All of them were fighting for their pocket. If he was alive he would have also been hustling in politics like all his 70yr old mates are currently doing now. They were good looking though. Especially his partner in crime.lol. Fine boys hustling gone wrong.

I beg to differ on ur submission,those were the finest and d patriotic officers but for d 'little' though costly mistakes dt led to their failure, dey wud av heralded a prosperous and progressives nation then.

owodokiri:
No time for back and forth with confusionist.. If you didnt understand me, ask for clarification and i will oblige you.. Read all i wrote here and you will understand all i wanted to say.. HaVe a nice day..

NB

About Max, i was referring to his Isreal vs Biafra comparison... I dont think there are much differences with what he said and what i wrote. I didnt mean that the ONLY reason Ojukwu went to war was cos of Ogundipe.., dont even know how you came up with that.. , because i asked a question about Ogundipe? I mentioned Ogundipe to inform the person i quoted that Ojukwu didnt wake up to declare a war. Neither did he insist on an igbo leadership only.. You are just desperate to approach the discourse from the pettiest angle and you latched on that. Go back to my several posts here and understand my position.

Desperate to approach the discourse from the pettiest angle??! Oga, haba!! All the pettiness is actually oozing from your words, nah. All the points you made were duly noted, and I responded to them citing various sources. You are the one that chose to ignore them, because they did not fit into your preconceived notions.

It's the same way you are jettisoning Max Siollun's observations, now. His reasoning is very simple really. Isn't it better for a man (i.e. Ojukwu) to take 80% of what is on offer, and then go back to re-negotiate for the remaining 20% at a later date, than to reject everything outright, in a bid to get 100% and then still be left with 0%? You sef, check am nah! This was what informed Siollun's comparison of Israel and Biafra.

olasaad:


So you don't know the reason again. Well that's why the coup was tag tribalism. And you forgot the coup plotters also spare Nnamdi Azikiwe...lol don't be hypocrite

actually azikiwe was sick at that moment he was in the U.K receiving treatment

He was born in 1937 in kaduna. A Sandhurst trained Nigeria military officer n one of its finest at that. Self disciplined and morally upright. Unlike most of his colleagues he never indulged in lewdity. He abhors corruption especially the 10 percent politicians of the first Republic was collecting in contract.
He along with four majors of Eastern Nigeria extraction, save major ademoyega from the west, taught they could oust the corrupt politicians of the first Republic and hand over power to a none corrupt leader. He was exceptionally popular among his colleagues and feared by even his superiors. He was patriotic
Once he thought of migrating from Nigeria to China if the corruption in d first Republic continues. "In the book, why we struck," by Major Ademoyega, he referred to Nzogwu as a detribalised Nigerian and a fine officer. He was friend to Obasanjo but kept Obj in d dark about the next day coup of 1966, hence Obj never forgave him.
Leadership of the first coup was thrusted upon him by the real leaders- major Ifeajuna who was the first Nigerian commonwealth Olympic medalist and major Nwabosi. His full name was Major Chukuma Kaduna Patrick Nzogwu...Kaduna was added cos of the tradition of Northerners adding to their names places of birth. He was successful in executing the coup in the North his area of jurisdiction. He killed the Sarduana of Sokoto, sir Ahmadu Bello along with his wife, Colonel Sodeinde and Brigadier Ademulegun with his wife. However the coup though succeeded largely in the West, North an partially in Mid-west was betrayed in the East by self-serving officers assigned to execute I tgere. hence it was given ethnic colouration against the intentions of the leaders. He was forced to surrender to Ironsi now led Federal government. He was incarcerated but not tried by the new military leadership because opinions were divided regarding the coupists some hailed them for overthrowing the inept n corrupt civilian government, others especially in the north saw them as disgruntled military officers who out out be tried for treason. And so when the civil war broke out as a result of the counter-coup of July 1966, which saw then Colonel Yakubu Gowon succeed late Major Gen Ironsi as military Head of State, he was released from prison by then secessionist leader, Colonel Ojukwu to fight for Biafra. A truly misunderstood officer, disillusioned with happenings in Nigeria, he roared into the war as a one man square Armoured Personnel carrier (APC) fighter. A devoted Roman Catholic. His last words to his mother was that of courage. While his fellow coup leader also fighting for biafran army was executed by Ojukwu for treason, another buried alive, Major CKP Nzogwu would die by a sniper bullet of the federal soldier in 1967 at the young age of 30 unmarried . He was immediately recognised, flown to Kaduna and given full military Honour.
Nzogwu an enigma, a detribalised Nigerian who believed in a corrupt -free and working Nigerian. He spoke hausa fluently, befriended many northerners amongst whom was late Major katsina hassan who became military governor of Northern region
Though his places among Nigeria great nationalists is assured, the role he played in building a greater Nigeria where things work will remain an issue of discussion by political scuentists/historians.
He believed democracy must serve the people and not few political class, and where democracy falters, corrupt and become oppressive, it must be overthrown and replaced by benevolent government. He always used China as yardstick of how Nigeria in the 1960s should go.

Shortyy:
Why is his name Kaduna Nzeogwu tho?

blueseacats:
I was on your side till you praised Nigerian system as a rehabilitator, what are you thinking guy. This country is nothing but a Zoe, anybody that thinks they are living in a working society called nigeria must be high on something.

If you are living in Nigeria with no other country to call home, you are indeed part of a wasted generation.

You were never on his side. Nigeria with all its down sides is still a country I am proud of. If you don't like it, we respect your choice, but please respect ours by not insulting our patriotism through your remarks.

Justdulla:

Then you that is educated, what have you achieved lately??
My hero remains Major Kaduna Nzeugo and Colonel chukwuemeka Ojuwku, This men fought for patriotism and common sense. They are the real freedom fighters, if vex yah, IDGAF

Maj Kaduna Nzeogwu never supported Ojukwu's plan to secede. All he wanted was a better life for the Igbos in Nigeria.

Justdulla:

he wasn't the only one that pulled the triggers nah. Even he lamented that some overzealous officers took matters too far.

Yes, Nzeogwu was a good man. Still well respected by the Nigerian Army even though he died as a Biafran officer, but Nzeogwu was not a very stable man. It was even said that he had no respect for his superior officers. He was just as overzealous as the other men involved in the coup. The only way his collaborators let him down was by not killing Aguiyi Ironsi. There were reports that Nzeogwu was mad when he learnt that Aguiyi was not killed as planned. But apart from that, they were all overzealous that night. They intended to kill without applying caution.

When democracy becomes a clog in the wheel of development n progress, it must be overthrown and replaced by benevolent government even if dictatorial. China doesn't practice democracy but today it is the second largest economy in the world. That why I laugh at those who accuse Buhari as a coupist despite the undeniable fact that the Shagari administration he ousted was worse off than that of balewa's first Republic Nzogwu overthrew. Honestly Nzogwu and GMB remained my two revered heros. To hell with our pilfering and destructive democracy.

Fedayeen02:
Nzeogwy was a radical right from his army days, he was fed up with the systematic corruption of the political elite and hee wanted to do a total cleansing of the political space because he saw the politicians as the problems of Nigeria.


He was a man who saw tomorrow and he remains my hero.


He died in Nsukka sector while driving a Biafran tank

RockHard:


Today, Nigerians are clamouring for a return to the same regional system of govt he and his cohorts terminated as a result of the coup. In fact, his actions directly led to the civil war that abruptly terminated/wasted the lives of millions of folks. Some of you people and the way you reason sef.

MUMU, shut your if you know nothing, the real cause of the civil war was the marginalizing of the igbos, the massacre of thousands of the igbos in the north which the federal govt supported and masterminded,
its a pity that a Dundee like you know nothing about your history.
Kaduna Nzeogwu was a hero, he eliminated the corrupt officials but we misunderstood him. Even the colonial masters knew his worth.

gwine0047:
Maj Kaduna Nzeogwu never supported Ojukwu's plan to secede. All he wanted was a better life for the Igbos in Nigeria.

He never supported Ojukwu's plan to secede? So what was he doing fighting on the side of the Biafran forces during the civil war? The Igbo officers that did not support Ojukwu, did not fight for him.

BOJO123:

And you really believe tafawa balewa was corrupt?.....that guy is one of the few selfless leaders Africa will ever come across...

For my dad to respect Tafawa a hausa a man, then he must have been upright in his deeds..

baby124:
All of them were fighting for their pocket. If he was alive he would have also been hustling in politics like all his 70yr old mates are currently doing now. They were good looking though. Especially his partner in crime.lol. Fine boys hustling gone wrong.

Definitely not the Major P.C.K Nzeogwu that I know.

LorDBolton:


Wrong

Kaduna was fighting to 'install' awolowo...not for personal gains

I've forgotten the name of. The book OBJ wrote about him (it contained many personal correspondence + the manuscript by ifeajunna also backs it up)

Sadly his co-conspirators didn't see the plan through

The name of the book is NZEOGWU

You. Right. The aburi meeting was called by late Ghanaian leader Joseph Ankra with a view of finding settlement between the Eastern Region. The aburi meeting agreed on a federation with a loose centre...in a nutshell a kinda confederation. But on getting home Gowon having been tutored on the consequence of his accord. Sadly Gowon reneged. Truth is there still could have been amicable solutions. Two days before Ojukwu declaration of Biafra, Awolowo flew to Enugu to try to persuade Ojukwu against such move, it failed. Truth is both leaders-Gowon n Ojukwu were young. Gowon was 30, while Ojukwu 33. Youthful exuberance played a major role...

Justdulla:

Oga if its matters bothering in Nigerian History,ave studied it back to back. So shut your trap lemme school you.
If Gowon had not dishonored the Aburi conference would there have been a civil war?

laudate:


He never supported Ojukwu's plan to secede? So what was he doing fighting on the side of the Biafran forces during the civil war? The Igbo officers that did not support Ojukwu, did not fight for him.

There was little or nothing he could do to change the situation. The Igbo officers who didn't fight still had their ranks intact but he just resumed off prison as a consequence of his failed coup.

If he had wanted secession, I don't think he would have initiated a coup. He would have just seceded. Circumstances forced his hands to join his brothers in the fight.
Kaduna said it himself that secession wasn't the solution