Fulaman198:
I personally respect everyone's opinion and point of view. If I may comment on the matter, there is no logical explanation as how human beings came into being from both a religious and scientific point of view.

Scientists believe in the big bang theory, however scientists still don't have an answer as to what may have caused the big bang to occur. Things sometimes happen randomly, but not creation. There has to be a specific reason as to why humans are molded in a particular manner, why there are a plethora of cultures today and why there are an unquantifiable amount of living organisms and species. Where I do agree with science however, is that the first human beings are from Africa and nowhere else. That point can not be refuted.

Religion has its drawbacks as well, and there are many unexplained circumstances and answers. I know I will be criticised by Muslims and Christians on here alike, but I do find religion to be a form of control mechanism to keep people naïve and daft about what's truly going on. Suffice to say, I do believe in God, but I don't believe everything I have read in the Qu'ran for instance.

With what we know today, with the ample amount of technological advances, I can understand why many people go the agnostic route. I urge all of you to think with an open mind.

But the bottomline is that you believe in God but not in General Muslim way, Isn't it*?

uvalued:


says "nothing" . "nothing" is an authority that has viewed the ends of the unknown boundless "nothingness" to finally believe that "nothing" exist.

Says atheists

Jesuobu:
Mark welcome to the Jesus family. Jesus loves you and that's why He gave you wisdom. Just ignore all these aliens that call themselves atheists. Sooner or later they will realize they commited their biggest mistake.

he didn't say he was a christian either, his reply points more to being an agnostic.

darkmarky:
seun has a problem, he answered the question and the audience of Facebook are satisfied.

keep your atheism crap to yourself, it's nothing but hypocrisy. answer this what's the primary source of moral standard?

humanity is, not the bible, not the koran or any religious book. i am not an atheist btw

uzolexis:


humanity is, not the bible, not the koran or any religious book. i am not an atheist btw

lwkm hahahahaha what humanity? man needs to be guided so as not to go astray and religion is the key. man can not live by conscience cus it misleads.

darkmarky:

lwkm hahahahaha what humanity? man needs to be guided so as not to go astray and religion is the key. man can not live by conscience cus it misleads.

Actually it's the other way round, religion misleads. Makes you think that anyone that does not believe in what you believe is wrong or probably evil(an infidel like Islam would call you) but if you are not bound by that, you would see everyone as human. Humans are born with a conscience, inherently good. If you need a book before to tell you what is right or wrong then you have a problem.

uzolexis:


Actually it's the other way round, religion misleads. Makes you think that anyone that does not believe in what you believe is wrong or probably evil(an infidel like Islam would call you) but if you are not bound by that, you would see everyone as human. Humans are born with a conscience, inherently good. If you need a book before to tell you what is right or wrong then you have a problem.

none is perfect but religion is better.

Lennycool:

Says atheists

which among them... this statement was made by an athiest-richard dawkins

But according to the words of atheist High Priest , Richard Dawkins

The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.

so who says "atheism is good"?

darkmarky:


none is perfect but religion is better.

My point is humans are inherently born with a sense of good and bad which develops as one gets older, with or without religion.

uvalued:

which among them... this statement was made by an athiest-richard dawkins




so who says "atheism is good"?

Atheism is unbelief it is neither good nor bad.
And Dawkins is right.
There is no good or evil in the vastness of the universe,
Everything is just a matter of perspective

Lennycool:

Atheism is unbelief it is neither good nor bad.
And Dawkins is right.
There is no good or evil in the vastness of the universe,
Everything is just a matter of perspective

as long as an athiest has a nihilistic perspective it just okay... since no good nor evil then surely a mad terrorist perspective could be everything..interesting...and guess what its his perspective... when he detonates?

Following

uvalued:


as long as an athiest has a nihilistic perspective it just okay... since no good nor evil then surely a mad terrorist perspective could be everything..interesting...and guess what its his perspective... when he detonates?

Please Christianity is fundamentally a nihilist philosophy,
"This world doesn't matter only making heaven does"
That sure sounds like nihilism to me
Plus odds are that your terrorist is most likely religious

What I mean by perspective is simple.
From a human perspective the terrorist bombing is evil,
to the universe it is inconsequential.

If a hurricane kills a thousand humans, from a human POV it is bad, to the earth at large, it is meaningless.

If humanity were to go extinct now, to humans it would be bad, to the earth and the millions of other animals on it, it would be a good thing.

The dinosaurs went extinct and it was a bad thing for them but their extinction gave humans a chance to evolve so it is a good thing for us.

If the earth were to explode, it would be bad for all the lifeforms on earth, but to the galaxy, it would be meaningless.

So you see, bad and good, is just a matter of perspective.
Pitiless indifference is the nature of our universe.

Atheists have said that this thread is embarrassing, a baby thread, a mistake, etc. Could you please explain what makes it embarrassing? Tnx.

Is it:
- The admission of unhappiness about Mark saying he's not an atheist?
- The inability to believe that Mr Zuckerberg is actually religious?
- The seemingly unnecessary criticism of male genital mutilation?
- The 'optics' of referring to Yahweh as the "Jewish God"?
Tnx.

Seun:
Atheists have said that this thread is embarrassing, a baby thread, a mistake, etc. Could you please explain what makes it embarrassing? Tnx.

There is nothing embarrassing about the thread as there should be no reason for you to be surprised Mark "believes in God"

Seun:
Atheists have said that this thread is embarrassing, a baby thread, a mistake, etc. Could you please explain what makes it embarrassing? Tnx.

Mr Seun, though I AM NOT AN ATHEIST, but I will emphatically and strongly tell you that there's nothing wrong with this thread at all-it is not in any way embarassing or whatever. You have the freedom of expression as well as the right to utter what you feel and to ask questions about an issue and then people can come in and discuss, debate, brainstorm, air their opinion and do analysis. I should say this: to the best of my knowledge, though I don't live inside you, but wasn't that one of the major reasons why you established nairaland-an online forum? So, why can't people-even you of all people, express your thoughts/opinion about a trending issue like Zuckerberg's religion status? Just my opinion.

Fulaman198:
Where I do agree with science however, is that the first human beings are from Africa and nowhere else. That point can not be refuted.

This is one of the areas where I disagree with contemporary "science". I do not believe that we originated from Africa, Mesopotamia or wherever. I only agree as do anthropologists in general that the oldest fossils of man are foun in Africa. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. Let's not stretch it beyond that. That's the flaw of both religion and Atheism. They are always too eager to take things beyond where they are just to prove their point.
Just a few days ago there was a thread about a new organ discovered in the human body. Whether or not it turns out to be truly a new organ, this demonstrate that man is learning new things everyday. We don't know for sure that man originated from Africa because anthropologists have not excavated every square meter of the ground on our planet. We know also that it is not every place that's favourable to the preservation of fossil. Why then are we quick to make categorical statements?

The op was so chidish

Vanceastro:
The op was so chidish

Can you elaborate on what you found to be childish? Like, what are the aspects of the post that make it childish? Is it any of these things?

Seun:
Can you elaborate on what you found to be childish? Like, what are the aspects of the post that make it childish? Is it any of these things?

I think the way you reacted as though mark broke ya heart and then went on a parallel route attacking the jewish god- which should have had nothing to do with the op-
It was golden to watch
please check out this thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/3547914/please-support-aspiring-programmer

Vanceastro:
I think the way you reacted as though mark broke ya heart

This is helpful. Did you get that from my post or from the replies? I expressed disapproval but I guess the replies coloured your opinion.

and then went on a parallel route attacking the jewish god- which should have had nothing to do with the op-

He said he was raised a Jew, implying that Judaism is his religion. I tried to show that it was highly unlikely that Mark sincerely follows that.

Seun:

This is helpful. Did you get that from my post or from the replies? I expressed disapproval but I guess the replies coloured your opinion.


He said he was raised a Jew, implying that Judaism is his religion. I tried to show that it was highly unlikely that Mark sincerely follows that.

Mark's religious believe has been very pivotal in a lot of discussions here on Nairaland. So it is a thread that served some purpose to those it may concern.

The op came through as if from a disappointed writter, hence the fodder jesters could feed on and totally drive the thread off the main subject of discuss

Seun:

This is helpful. Did you get that from my post or from the replies? I expressed disapproval but I guess the replies coloured your opinion.


He said he was raised a Jew, implying that Judaism is his religion. I tried to show that it was highly unlikely that Mark sincerely follows that.

He was raised a jew doesn't necessarily mean he is still a jew. He said religion is important which an atheist I do agree. He never said anything about his religious beliefs tho.. So there was really no need for the attack on the jewish god.

Lennycool:

Please Christianity is fundamentally a nihilist philosophy,
"This world doesn't matter only making heaven does"
That sure sounds like nihilism to me
Plus odds are that your terrorist is most likely religious

What I mean by perspective is simple.
From a human perspective the terrorist bombing is evil,
to the universe it is inconsequential.

If a hurricane kills a thousand humans, from a human POV it is bad, to the earth at large, it is meaningless.

If humanity were to go extinct now, to humans it would be bad, to the earth and the millions of other animals on it, it would be a good thing.

The dinosaurs went extinct and it was a bad thing for them but their extinction gave humans a chance to evolve so it is a good thing for us.

If the earth were to explode, it would be bad for all the lifeforms on earth, but to the galaxy, it would be meaningless.

So you see, bad and good, is just a matter of perspective.
Pitiless indifference is the nature of our universe.

from your submission above, you are agreeing with kingebukasbog on atheistic belief

KingEbukasBlog:


Atheism is a man made idea started by a crazy guy called Diagoras 2,500 years ago . It is not here to stay , it is unnatural with devastating effects on the brain

Kill every god idea and then let life go extinct according to Grizzlybear . Life is hopeless and meaningless with atheism . Admit it .

now your perspective is same as grizzlebear ... meaningless.. our purpose is meaningless...

uvalued:


from your submission above, you are agreeing with kingebukasbog on atheistic belief



now your perspective is same as grizzlebear ... meaningless.. our purpose is meaningless...

Please don't compare me with that dolt of a theist.

Like I said before everything is a matter of perspective.
Even meaning.
Yes to the larger universe, humans and human actions are inconsequential, but to us humans and to the earth they matter. We give each other meaning.

A speck of dust in a mega construction site, is meaningless to the construction and the larger plan at work. Yet the dust particle itself might contain alot of microbial life. Within itself it derives meaning, in the grand scheme of things its is meaningless.

The earth is also a speck of dust floating in the chaos of space, to the universe at large it is meaningless, but within we have meaning because we have each other, we have art, politics, entertainment, purpose, we give each other meaning.

I think the nihilist problem only arises when humans try to be important to the grand scheme of the universe.

Like a microbe on the speck of dust trying to alter the construction.

Lennycool:

Please don't compare me with that dolt of a theist.

Like I said before everything is a matter of perspective.
Even meaning.
Yes to the larger universe, humans and human actions are inconsequential, but to us humans and to the earth they matter. We give each other meaning.

A speck of dust in a mega construction site, is meaningless to the construction and the larger plan at work. Yet the dust particle itself might contain alot of microbial life. Within itself it derives meaning, in the grand scheme of things its is meaningless.

The earth is also a speck of dust floating in the chaos of space, to the universe at large it is meaningless, but within we have meaning because we have each other, we have art, politics, entertainment, purpose, we give each other meaning.

I think the nihilist problem only arises when humans try to be important to the grand scheme of the universe.

Like a microbe on the speck of dust trying to alter the construction.

shift of goalpost hahaha ... whose PERSPECTIVE should be the standard of authority since meaning is relative or subjective.... athiesm is neither good nor evil, neither here nor there. grizzlebear comes to mind.

Hello Seun, why do we have to log in again each time we close our browser

missKiffy:
Hello Seun, why do we have to log in again each time we close our browser

Sorry. See https://www.nairaland.com/3552048/new-year-greeting-information-anomalies#52745500

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Like I predicted earlier seun mark zuckerberg is planning to run for office, various news sites have speculated his latest moves (before he said he wasn't an atheist)
That his recent actions like going around America giving up a large percentage of his stocks are consistent with someone that wants to run for a political position and he probably figures if idiot trump can win he has a bigger chance than previously thought.
Below is a website that even gives more detail as to his aspirations and its not even related to his atheism, the person was trying to answer why he thought Facebook would fall and he gave the reason that mark cares less as he has other aspirations.

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/01/06/google-apple-facebook-amazon-microsoft-which-will-fall-first/?client=ms-unknown

It's understandable, if I wanted to run for a political position in a religious country, I'd stay as far away from atheism as possible.