larrybee2017:

When I checked I realise you sure need help. If I may ask you this single question: ever since you choice not to belief His existence,does that make Him any less God? You have a choice to make choose wisely dearie. If you choice to belief ' He is the I AM THAT I AM' nothing changes that Him. The day a pot choice to argue with the Potter be sure destruction looms.
Heaven haveercy on your sold out soul

Why can't Christians just make their point without issuing threats? Beats me, really.

raph101:
Three set of people on the view of prayers
First set: strong adherents that prayers is the key to reaching a Divine personality
Second set: carefree people who believe you pray because it makes u religious and not necessarily potent as the first believes it to be.
Third set: those that strongly insist that prayer is nothing but empty words from deluded persons.


Whichever school of thought you belong to, what happens after death will cclarify, just stay safe till you die

Google Pascal's wager

DebbieLaw:
How can someone so learned be so unintelligent enuf to facts..hv common sense n d little bible classes u attended not evn taught u a pin? Are u blind to d fact dat whn ur time is up notin can be done abt it? Hvnt heard or witnessed sm occassion whn ppl in critical condition regained health? Ppl h tot death was inherent? Hw com u dint talk abt dat one? Look! Watever part whatever hv set u,den dat is ur business dnt try to lure ppl into wit ur stories..ppl in d bible hvnt u read? To sim they die of sicknes or is killed or smtin..evn Lazarus Hu was raised wznt bc it was not his tym? Yes ur story is real but dnt blab wat u tink u know while u know nothin..bein a medical doctor doznt mean u know a tin abt life n death..so shove yr half baked story to ursef.. Drz ntn dat hpns dat God is not aware or does not permit before d hpns..if u turned an atheist gud for u Na..but d earlier u strt seein d truth d better for u...hv u evn asked God to unfold dez mysteries to u? So jst assume watever n xpct odas to follow suit

Madam, its not about screaming or shouting. Ur intention to shout people down is very flawed and should not be so. Allow them speak their minds and let people rob minds together. I have said it before, any person who has his faith shaken by experiences doctors share never really had any faith in the first place. Swallow that one and got sit on the side and listen. Besides Lazarus you mentioned and that story in the bible has a perfect explanation scientifically.

CatfishBilly:

Why can't Christians just make their point without issuing threats? Beats me, really.

I find that detestable. Bear in mind though, I am also a Christian

busuyi44:
what a write up! I will conclude that it is difficult to understand the way God acts. Isaiah 55: 8-9

Very true but does one take it as it comes or question it. That's what u have not answered and that's the ropic of discussion

I have been reading this since page 1 and my conclusion is:

* Some problems are meant to be irrespective of whoever tries to nullify it through prayers.
* Some people pray then go back to sin and this is a common obstruction to prayers....even doubt cancels prayer.
* I believe there's God but sometimes I doubt if he gives a Bleep about some issues. Just like a teacher who is being disturbed by pupils with one complaint or another... U notice that the teacher doesn't try to resolve all issues... They pretend to be deaf to some complaints issued by the pupils.
* Faith and prayer needs action in order to work out. Taking Medication and praying doesn't stop either from working if you apply both at the same moment.

Example

I know a pastor who has lived in a single room for 20+ years now, everyday he prays for a house but yet makes no effort to even buy a land. Assuming he has bought a land and started something no matter how little, God may decide to intervene in his life... Unfortunately, the power of faith and prayer is being misused.

* Finally, if there is no God.... Go to Isreal to verify your fact. I believe there is God but does he give a Bleep?

Fiverrgig:
I believe there is God but does he give a Bleep?

You are a deist, my friend

CatfishBilly:

You are a deist, my friend

What's a deist?

Fiverrgig:

What's a deist?

Someone who believes there's a God but he doesn't give a Bleep about us and doesn't interfere in our lives and existence.

tohpahz:
Pat was a good Xtian
Pat prayed regularly
Pat got HIV from the husband
Pat already had a colostomy done and a bag in place
Fast forward..
Pat now has anal cancer
Metastasis was too fast, her vaginna was gone in no time
Pat kept praying
Health team kept managing
Pat started morphine
Pat started refusing med treatment cos her pastor said so.
Now pat is dead.

God didn't hear her prayers,or he chose not to answer, or she had to die for a reason or the pastor was fake

Who did it happen to ? . U should speak more about what you've heard or encountered.

vislabraye:


Who did it happen to ? . U should speak more about what you've heard or encountered.

Wat are u saying. I nursed this patient

Sexina851:


Why do we blame God when we lose loved ones , it's because we think we love them more than God himself... My dear all souls shall taste death either sooner or later. And I wouldn't want my death to dis stabilize my children's faith.

Pls respond properly to my post.

U said people's death hasto do with their personal life.And I asked for u think people personal life makes them deserve death? If so do u also think so of ur late mum?

Ur response to my question is completely off. I wanna know what u think. This is ur post below

Sexina851:
Op I really understand ur feeling. I felt even worse when I lost my mom.[b] I later understood dat it has a lot to do with one's personal life, examine urself before u blame God, check out ur life and wat u do behind closed door wen u think no one is watching. Secret sins, unforgiveness, fornication etc will hinder prayers Dr. I won't way all on faith blah blah. [/b]The Bible already said "God is not mocked, whatever a man sow he shall reap". Even naturally there is a law of karma, and you know how it works. Look at me everybody has every right to question God cos we are humans and we feel, don't mind the "faith is in levels people".. Just search your life.dats all I can say..cos it's beta for one to die and discover there's no God Dan to die and discover otherwise.

What was it about ur mums personal life that made u understand why she should die?
Forgive me if this sounds offensive but I am just digging deep into what u said with ur own mouth.

tohpahz:

Wat are u saying. I nursed this patient

He went to be with the Lord. We don't kniw better than God. Afterall, I have witnessed a miraculous healing.

urheme:

Ok ooo.....read the book of John...the message of Christ annoyed several persons.....they even attempted throwing stones at him.....so I'm not at all surprise that you are annoyed.

What happened in the book of John that correlates to the thing that you posted. Give the specific bible verse and chapter.

I'm ready to school some in the art of Hermenutics today

SHALOM!

CatfishBilly:
It's not a hidden fact that Medical Doctors have a huge number of Atheists amongst them, I mean, they see how ineffective prayer is in the face of death on daily basis. When the Bible has already said that we should ask and we shall receive.

The hospital wards have heard more prayers than churches but still, patients still drop like flies.

I'll be using this thread to share stories of patients I've lost in the face of prayers and I encourage doctors and non doctors alike to come forth and share their stories.

FOR PRAYER TO BE EFFECTIVE, THE PERSONS PRAYING MUST BE HOLY- OR, AT THE VERY LEAST, RIGHTEOUS.

FILTHY and UNJUST persons cannot Pray Effectively.

That is what you have been seeing.

Next case
We had to manage a woman with hemorrhagic stroke (A blood vessel ruptured in her brain which just kept on bleeding). Nigeria has a very poor record when it comes to managing patients with this kind of stroke. I lost my aunt to a hemorrhagic stroke.
She was in a coma and different cadres of Pastors and Evangelists and brethren all came in to pray for her, it was like a revolving door. As one group was leaving, another group was taking their place. It happened like that till she died. In spite of all the prayers by the different men of God.

larrybee2017:

When I checked I realise you sure need help. If I may ask you this single question: ever since you choice not to belief His existence,does that make Him any less God? You have a choice to make choose wisely dearie. If you choice to belief ' He is the I AM THAT I AM' nothing changes that Him. The day a pot choice to argue with the Potter be sure destruction looms.
Heaven haveercy on your sold out soul

you have derailed from my questions. I'd ask again, Baal? Rods turned to snake? Sea dividing? Water to wine? Walking on sea? Few loaves of bread and fish? Does these ring a bell? Are these not shows?

I didn't tell you I don't believe, I just asked some questions. The problem I have is that religion is man made and not of the creator, whatever the name of the creator is. The Bible is a stark contrast of how a loving creator should be, from human perspective.

At what age were you indoctrinated?

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



FOR PRAYER TO BE EFFECTIVE, THE PERSONS PRAYING MUST BE HOLY- OR, AT THE VERY LEAST, RIGHTEOUS.

FILTHY and UNJUST persons cannot Pray Effectively.

That is what you have been seeing.

Otherwise ur God leaves the person to die?

The buy-bull

avaa:


For those who can't, I advise they play along till they become independent. There is a plus to it if you attend these new-generation churches. Some not-too-crappy music, connection, and a host of sanctified pussies to play with .

We'll get there bro

Legit reason, @emboldened Lol

vislabraye:


He went to be with the Lord. We don't kniw better than God. Afterall, I have witnessed a miraculous healing.

Of course. what y'all say. Illogical!!

CatfishBilly:
Next case
We had to manage a woman with hemorrhagic stroke (A blood vessel ruptured in her brain which just kept on bleeding). [b]Nigeria has a very poor record when it comes to managing patients with this kind of stroke.[/b]I lost my aunt to a hemorrhagic stroke.
She was in a coma and different cadres of Pastors and Evangelists and brethren all came in to pray for her, it was like a revolving door. As one group was leaving, another group was taking their place. It happened like that till she died. In spite of all the prayers by the different men of God.

@ bold: True talk. I lost my father to a hemorrhagic stroke too.

CatfishBilly:
Next case
We had to manage a woman with hemorrhagic stroke (A blood vessel ruptured in her brain which just kept on bleeding). Nigeria has a very poor record when it comes to managing patients with this kind of stroke. I lost my aunt to a hemorrhagic stroke.
She was in a coma and different cadres of Pastors and Evangelists and brethren all came in to pray for her, it was like a revolving door. As one group was leaving, another group was taking their place. It happened like that till she died. In spite of all the prayers by the different men of God.

Dr, you post as if death is a very horrible thing..... i am not expecting this from a doctor at all........this is the environment where you work and death should not be an unusual or strange thing to you........you have practically breach the ethics of your profession if you don,t know.....a doctor like you should be sanctioned if not that you are unknown.

two important time in a man's life....the day he is born and the day he dies........something must kill man.....some die before you or after you....and life goes on......

Divine healing or not...everybody must die.......i was healed does not mean.... i will never die again.......my time will come and yours will come too, treatment or no treatment,......from your experience...even you as a doctor do not even possess the power to save those people from the hand of death.......some persons who are not Christians must have died in your hand too while trying to save them......

prayer or no prayer...once your time is up.....you go.......Christians should live prepared at all time......no Christian should be hoping to stay in this world for ever.......

Dr, those dead people you talked about are better off than you.....this is what scripture says.....and better still is the one unborn.

Every profession has its challenge......there is a duty of secrecy that we owned our clients...dead or alive.......i listen and i hear a lot in my own profession.......i separate it from religion.......the encounter i have with my clients will never be a subject for discussion any where.

urheme:



Dr, you post as if death is a very horrible thing..... i am not expecting this from a doctor at all........this is the environment where you work and death should not be an unusual or strange thing to you........you have practically breach the ethics of your profession if you don,t know.....a doctor like you should be sanctioned if not that you are unknown.

two important time in a man's life....the day he is born and the day he dies........something must kill man.....some die before you or after you....and life goes on......

Divine healing or not...everybody must die.......i was healed does not mean.... i will never die again.......my time will come and yours will come too, treatment or no treatment,......from your experience...even you as a doctor do not even possess the power to save those people from the hand of death.......some persons who are not Christians must have died in your hand too while trying to save them......

prayer or no prayer...once your time is up.....you go.......Christians should live prepared at all time......no Christian should be hoping to stay in this world for ever.......

Dr, those dead people you talked about are better off than you.....this is what scripture says.....and better still is the one unborn.

Every profession has its challenge......there is a duty of secrecy that we owned our clients...dead or alive.......i listen and i hear a lot in my own profession.......i separate it from religion.......the encounter i have with my clients will never be a subject for discussion any where.

Tell Him.
CatfishBilly, please hope u read this.

Get wise.

urheme:



Dr, you post as if death is a very horrible thing..... i am not expecting this from a doctor at all........this is the environment where you work and death should not be an unusual or strange thing to you........you have practically breach the ethics of your profession if you don,t know.....a doctor like you should be sanctioned if not that you are unknown.

Please, show me what rule I broke in the medical ethics handbook and I'll personally go and submit myself to mdcn for sanctions.
Death is a horrible thing. I don't know how you view it, but I consider it a failure if my patient dies, some people are just passionate about human lives and I happen to be one of them, so, yea, death is bleeping horrible

urheme:

Dr, those dead people you talked about are better off than you.....this is what scripture says.....and better still is the one unborn.

It's thinking like this that breeds suicide bombers, really.
If we are better of dead, why did God bother raising people from the dead or healing the sick?

urheme:

Every profession has its challenge......there is a duty of secrecy that we owned our clients...dead or alive.......i listen and i hear a lot in my own profession.......i separate it from religion.......the encounter i have with my clients will never be a subject for discussion any where.

This secrecy that you keep on going on and on about, Did I mention any names? Did I give locations? Did I mention what year? If you don't know anything about patient privacy, ask me, I'll be glad to explain.

felixomor:


Tell Him.
CatfishBilly, please hope u read this.

Get wise.

You've cleared my doubt, you're not a medic. Impersonating a medic is punishable under the Penal code of Nigeria, Prison term inclusive.

CatfishBilly:

You've cleared my doubt, you're not a medic. Impersonating a medic is punishable under the Penal code of Nigeria, Prison term inclusive.

Dont worry.
You are only lucky u r writing under a hidden name.
These write ups could have been used against u.

Then we would have known who the real medic is.

CatfishBilly:

Please, show me what rule I broke in the medical ethics handbook and I'll personally go and submit myself to mdcn for sanctions.
Death is a horrible thing. I don't know how you view it, but I consider it a failure when my patient dies, some people are just passionate about human lives and I happen to be one of them, so, yea, death is bleeping horrible


It's thinking like this that breeds suicide bombers, really.
If we are better of dead, why did God bother raising people from the dead or healing the sick?

This secrecy that you keep on going on and on about, Did I mention any names? Did I give locations? Did I mention what year? If you don't know anything about patient privacy, ask me, I'll be glad to explain.

I am not here to argue with you......your clients died and so you have failed . do you have the power to keep alive .. you are thinking yes just because you read medicine....

your patient prayed...had faith and they died..." this death means gain for them" and it means a horrible thing to you. " as if na you die"

If you bring religious critisms in to your work you will continue to fail in this profession....what i sense in your thread is blaming God for your client's death and for your failures.

my friend go and rethink whether you want to remain in this profession or not.

felixomor:


Dont worry.
You are only lucky u r writing under a hidden name.
These write ups could have been used against u.

Then we would have known who the real medic is.

No mind am, the guy dey write as if he no use dead body take study medicine.....when he was butchering some during his practicals, he did not know that they were people......perhaps..He blamed God then for their death...and still compassionately diced into it......now he has come to spill stories of the dead .

I pray the power of God Locates him soon.

urheme:


No mind am, the guy dey write as if he no use dead body take study medicine.....when he was butchering some during his practicals, he did not know that they were people......perhaps..He blamed God then for their death...and still compassionately diced into it......now he has come to spill stories of the dead .

I pray the power of God Locates you soon.

Most likely he is one of the young doctors still dancing ajasco with his mbbs certificate, intoxicated with small knowledge....

urheme:



I am not here to argue with you......your clients died and so you have failed . do you have the power to keep alive .. you are thinking yes just because you read medicine....

your patient prayed...had faith and they died..." this death means gain for them" and it means a horrible thing to you. " as if na you die"

If you bring religious critisms in to your work you will continue to fail in this profession....what i sense in your thread is blaming God for your client's death and for your failures.

my friend go and rethink whether you want to remain in this profession or not.

What's ur point? Why are u here and there with no point. U just accused the op of breaking medical ethics, just because he is trying to show how prayer did not work for his patients. That was a baseless accusation.

If u think death is a wonderful thing, u can go and kill urself already and stop preaching that death is a wonderful thing when ur likes are the ones coming to his professional house to pray for life.

Death is a terrible thing, that's why he is concerned that even prayer to the almighty creator seems useless to it. The op feels bad when a patient in his care dies, but how does ur God who has promised to much feel. U now want to preach to us that death is a wonderful thing. What kind of skewed thinking is this?

Pls if u have nothing to say shut up.

felixomor:


Most likely he is one of the young doctors still dancing ajasco with his mbbs certificate, intoxicated with small knowledge....

I wanted to say so .....it is well my brother......so much attacks on Christians....this is what Hond was trying to kick against.

even catfish has come to to ridicule Christians who died......does it mean that people of other religion don,t die .. make you help me ask am