Setaje:


Oga mind your business

realmindz:


I think I've lived long enough to understand that people get bitter when they are faced with facts they can't handle. people hate truths that hurts, they rather delight themselves in self deciet and beliefs.

If I've said u were making sense with the 7 days b.s, you would ve smiled behind your moniker, but madam, think....The most valuable gift you have lies in your head not in the so called holy books

joyandfaith:
Jesus said sick one needs doctor. luke 5:31.
if you are sick, see ur doctors.
why prayer then?
prayer is an act of worship. it does not replace practical solution. bible says faith without work is dead.

TAEpiphany:
It's funny that you are this funny...

So science and proven facts have always worked a 100% at all times? oh wow, i wonder why some still die after following science and proven concepts. Damn, one would have thought not a single soul would die from malaria since the discovery of anti-malaria drugs.....
You ask someone to prove something, they say they got healed after praying. Then you come with some scientific hogwash on why they are dimwits... Unlike doctors , they believed they administered prayers and ailment disappeared , bottom line the "AILMENT DISAPPEARED" whether it was as a result of what the doctors administered to the buttocks of our poster up there or that they believed it was as a result of prayers...truth is you both don't have enough evidence to back it up, other that the reference to the medical journal(which is very disputable) and they their reference to faith . Hey, the body could just have corrected itself, but we would never know. Now you can argue from now till the end of life, fact still remains, you or the poster cannot prove that their case was solved by your hypothesis up there and they cannot also prove it was solved by prayers.......but umm never mind.

UyiIredia:


Not all religions involve a belief in God though. Buddhism for example.



Wrong. Deists seek God outside of religion. They see God in
Nature.

hopefulLandlord:


isn't it worthy? after all about 20 Christian topics hit FP yesterday morning

Samadict:
Some call Him God, some call Him Creator but whatever name you call Him, I'll keep believing in His existence until some mysteries are solved. Prayer on the other hand I see differently. The Bible states clearly that He created all things for His pleasure. That clears it all for me. If what gives Him pleasure at a point is to give life, He gives it. If it gives Him pleasure to see you smile, He allows it. If it gives Him pleasure to see a child with fatal prognosis live again, He makes it happen. We weren't created to question His decisions we were made for His pleasure. We can only commune with Him to please let our smile, peace, good health and well being give Him pleasure. 'Alara jowo fimi dara to dara'. We all at some point in life have questions but when we remember that we were created for His pleasure, we can only plead that seeing us happy gives Him pleasure. *singing* we will understand it better by and by.

larrybee2017:

I pity you but all I can do is pray for you and people like you. One day sooner you will all wake up, face to face with one word 'reality'. Hope it won't be too late by then

Samadict:
Some call Him God, some call Him Creator but whatever name you call Him, I'll keep believing in His existence until some mysteries are solved. Prayer on the other hand I see differently. The Bible states clearly that He created all things for His pleasure. That clears it all for me. If what gives Him pleasure at a point is to give life, He gives it. If it gives Him pleasure to see you smile, He allows it. If it gives Him pleasure to see a child with fatal prognosis live again, He makes it happen. We weren't created to question His decisions we were made for His pleasure. We can only commune with Him to please let our smile, peace, good health and well being give Him pleasure. 'Alara jowo fimi dara to dara'. We all at some point in life have questions but when we remember that we were created for His pleasure, we can only plead that seeing us happy gives Him pleasure. *singing* we will understand it better by and by.

avaa:
How else do we put this.
People with faith/belief in a god/gods get healed.
People without belief/faith in a god gets healed.
There are actually more people in both categories who don't get healed.
So how do we know what actually happened? By conducting an experiment. I have put out this challenge, I have two amputees, a lady without a womb, and several kurumas i.e. cripples. Those ones with severely deformed body parts, with many limbs missing and some dried beyond normal. Anyone ready to heal them should p.m., or quote this post. At least you guys can prove to us, once and for all that prayers actually works. Capisce?

larrybee2017:

You think miracle is for show? Think twice man. The fact that you have not had what you call encounter does not make Him anything less than God. You choose to belief he doesn't while others belief He does, but one thing you need to know is this, your breath explain His existence in grand style,with time you will understand me.
The day science will recreate and give life then you proof me wrong. However hell is real and so is heaven,you make a choice with what you choice to belief

Sexina851:
Op I really understand ur feeling. I felt even worse when I lost my mom. I later understood dat it has a lot to do with one's personal life, examine urself before u blame God, check out ur life and wat u do behind closed door wen u think no one is watching. Secret sins, unforgiveness, fornication etc will hinder prayers Dr. I won't way all on faith blah blah. The Bible already said "God is not mocked, whatever a man sow he shall reap". Even naturally there is a law of karma, and you know how it works. Look at me everybody has every right to question God cos we are humans and we feel, don't mind the "faith is in levels people".. Just search your life.dats all I can say..cos it's beta for one to die and discover there's no God Dan to die and discover otherwise.

Akin1212:

Why do you think he does

peacesamuel94:



According to the Bible, Faith is not just a requirement, it is also in levels, it is possible, someone that has faith have prayed for the Annihilation of ISIS, but it is unlikely for Him/her to possess the degree of faith to make it come to pass.


However there are things that must happen as confirmation that the world is near its end. Maybe ISIS Is just one of them, and if it is, no amount of prayer can change it.

Sexina851:



I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people
believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would
spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don't
believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I
attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help
them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had
another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply
curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to
become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers
that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go
about my life.
I didn't realize that the reason the topic of God
weighed so heavily on my mind, was because
God was pressing the issue. I have come to find
out that God wants to be known. He created us
with the intention that we would know him. He
has surrounded us with evidences of himself and
he keeps the question of his existence squarely
before us. It was as if I couldn't escape
thinking about the possibility of God. In fact,
the day I chose to acknowledge God's
existence, my prayer began with, "God if u exist,then show me..." It might be that the
underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because
God is actively pursuing them . I could go on and on, but I Don't want to bore u with an overly lengthy write up.

ApostleT:


Interesting.

Death is one of the most dreaded thing. It creates a real vacuum in people life and has someone who recently lost a loved one I can understand the feeling of the poor woman. But I cannot understand your own journey.

For a Christian to die is a gain. The Christian views death from two perspective. Firstly from his/own perspective and secondly from the perspective of God/the deceased saint.

The mother certainly does not want her child to die nor did I want my loved one who recently passed away to die. I would do anything possible to save her life if I could. The one who had lost a loved one is often devastated. It's a real feeling and beyond feeling a reality.

But the one who is deceased has gone home - being welcomed into paradise (a better place than here). God in His sovereignty has welcomed the child - freed him from his pain and the stress of this world.

We are often selfish in our request. We only want to have our loved ones to ourselves but we rarely ask ourselves if our loved ones who had passed away really want to come back to this miserable world?

I think OP's one sided view of death has set him on a path of destruction (forgive my use of word). Death is not a end in itself because we (saints) know that all our brethren who had gone will return and together we shall have an incorruptible body - never to die again. Hallelujah!

OP are you more compassionate than God? Do you love humanity than it's creator? What did fnck did I just read??

Samadict:
Some call Him God, some call Him Creator but whatever name you call Him, I'll keep believing in His existence until some mysteries are solved. Prayer on the other hand I see differently. The Bible states clearly that He created all things for His pleasure. That clears it all for me. If what gives Him pleasure at a point is to give life, He gives it. If it gives Him pleasure to see you smile, He allows it. If it gives Him pleasure to see a child with fatal prognosis live again, He makes it happen. We weren't created to question His decisions we were made for His pleasure. We can only commune with Him to please let our smile, peace, good health and well being give Him pleasure. 'Alara jowo fimi dara to dara'. We all at some point in life have questions but when we remember that we were created for His pleasure, we can only plead that seeing us happy gives Him pleasure. *singing* we will understand it better by and by.

4thsense:


I have not seen one benefit men get from fighting their creator, whose words are full of wisdom and principles to make the world a beautiful place, except that they are influenced with the hatred that Satan has for God and His children. Against His children who he is bent on destroying.

frank317:


U have lost ur own mum yet u say it has to do with personal life. Do u think people's personal secret life makes them deserve to die despite praying? Do u also think so of ur mum?

Sexina851:



Op I really understand ur feeling. I felt even worse when I lost my mom. I later
understood dat it has a lot to do with one's personal life, examine urself
before u blame God, check out ur life and wat u do behind closed door wen u
think no one is watching. Secret sins, unforgiveness, fornication etc will hinder
prayers Dr. I won't way all on faith blah blah. The Bible already said "God is
not mocked, whatever a man sow he shall reap". Even naturally there is a law
of karma, and you know how it works. Look at me everybody has every right
to question God cos we are humans and we feel, don't mind the "faith is in
levels people".. Just search your life.dats all I can say..cos it's beta for one to
die and discover there's no God Dan to die and discover otherwise.
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Opelwonder:
this one is a stupid statement... don't u ask ur parents for money before they give u? prayer is the way we ask God to help us... God may not answer all prayers, yes... do ur parents give u everything u ask for? will u say they don't love u? some parents even have their favorite child... they listen to that one first before others

felixomor:

You see yourself?


Firstly, it is very obvious your grammatical knowledge is shallow.
Does being liberal stop somebody from being religious?
Are both mutually exclusive?

Secondly
Here is a study that was carried out in Chicago and found majority to be people of faith

http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/050714/doctorsfaith.shtml

More on this, have you heard of Ben Carson?
(Undoubtedly the greatest neurosurgeon alive)

He is Strongly religious.

Have you heard of Don Moen, somebody who continues to attract billions of people with worship music.

In case you don't know, Don Moen is a qualified medical doctor. Before he entered worship mysic full time.

Bro..the list is endless.
Not to mention of people like Dr Paul Enenche of Dunamis Church in Nigeria...
And even his wife.

These people are all doctors.



Next time, do some study before replying with half knowledge.


Thirdly, you dont even know who you are talking to.
Because you assumed falsely that all religious people are not doctors.

During my days in medical school, majority of my fellowship leaders and excos were all medical students, clinical medical students at that.

Even many of my teachers were patrons of student fellowships or even coordinators of Missions in their respective churches.

Please stop making your "liberal" assumptions.

Cheers.

speak2leo:

i have been on the net for over 1hr looking for Don Moen as a medical doctor. pls share your source with me. In one of his interviews in India, Moen said he wanted to be a Pilot but his parents forced him into music as it seems the norm in the family. Being forced to play the Piano on a daily basis lead to his passion in music. i guess he was never a medical doctor. even google is mute on that. pls share your source.

speak2leo:

i have been on the net for over 1hr looking for Don Moen as a medical doctor. pls share your source with me. In one of his interviews in India, Moen said he wanted to be a Pilot but his parents forced him into music as it seems the norm in the family. Being forced to play the Piano on a daily basis lead to his passion in music. i guess he was never a medical doctor. even google is mute on that. pls share your source.

felixomor:


At first i thought i must have mistaken.

He once said it iN an interview.

But alas, someone else also attests here.

http://charlieadeb..com/2010/02/daddymummy-said.html?m=1

speak2leo:


Bros, you shouldn't rely on such unverified account. even Wikipedia never mentioned that about him. Oven on his Web, it was not mentioned. such a valid degree..??
you think am na.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Moen

http://donmoen.com/about/

if you believed that account, I can as well cook up a story that you were trained a Pilot but got into ministries while in your biography, nothing about such.

tshege:

Ben Carson that is a very big liar... Maybe you didn't follow the USA presidential election last year