Rossikki:
What slavery? Abeg make we hear word. The projects involving China have clear paths to ROI and repayments. The projects are designed to pay for themselves. Rail investment for instance. Go and research the terms of the contracts before making prejudiced assertions.

A debtor will remain a slave of his benefactor until he offsets the loan. It seems you have little idea of Nigeria's debt profile. Did China attain their level of development by borrowing? Sustainable development will continue to evade this country until we wake up from this slumber of being consumers of everything. You don't need any research to realize that Nigeria is being used to sustain industries in Europe and China.

EzeUche:


Will you keep quiet!

Let me say this again, since you are having a hard time understanding.

THIS CAN NEVER HAPPEN IN NIGERIA IN A MILLION YEARS.

Works on the Lagos-Ibadan section of the new Lagos-Kano standard gauge railway just recently commenced; the Calabar-PH section will be commencing soon too as I think counterpart funding has recently been released for it. And then again, about a year ago, Nigeria launched the Abuja-Kaduna standard gauge railway; the rail system was extensively used during the closure of the Abuja airport 2 months ago and I'm sure anyone who pays attention should have noticed that. All these projects (including the Kenyan one) were/are financed and built by the Chinese with funding from the Chinese Exim bank. So what exactly are you blabbing about?

I think the major point the OP is making is the quality of the train stations - Just like airports. Compare those with Kubwa train station.

edoyad:



I'm from kaduna state so don't tell me about the kaduna - Abuja rail system. That was simply a political move, no more no less. The most pressing rail needs in Nigeria all involve moving in , out of or around Lagos state. Anything else is just wash.
The Kenyan rail project involves two of Kenya's most economically important regions, Nairobi and Mombasa. Pray tell me, do Abuja or Kaduna rank in the top 15 of Nigeria's most economically important cities ?

That you are from Kaduna means nothing. The Abuja-Kaduna network is a 200 km network llnking the federal capital with the nearest large city. The Lagos-Ibadan network construction has begun, as has the 1,500 km Lagos-Calabar route. They can't build them all at once just to satisfy you that they're not being ''political'' when they're deciding on which line to build prior to the other.

owbabs:
I think the major point the OP is making is the quality of the train stations - Just like airports. Compare those with Kubwa train station.

If you have only two cities in your country like Kenya, you can build multimillion dollar palaces as their respective train stations. But if you are in Nigeria, which has hundreds of cities, you cannot. You need to be more modest so the infrastructure spreads round.

adde:
A debtor will remain a slave of his benefactor until he offsets the loan. It seems you have little idea of Nigeria's debt profile. Did China attain their level of development by borrowing? Sustainable development will continue to evade this country until we wake up from this slumber of being consumers of everything. You don't need any research to realize that Nigeria is being used to sustain industries in Europe and China.

I'm not sure you know this but virtually every country has some debt. The USA presently has over $ 20 Trillion in debt, the entire economy of the US is worth around $ 17 trillion. Japan's debt to GDP ratio is also in negative.

Debt is good if it's well spent.

owbabs:
I think the major point the OP is making is the quality of the train stations - Just like airports. Compare those with Kubwa train station.

Some just don't get it! Africa do not begin and end with Nigeria, others are making efforts.

Pavore9:


Some just don't get it! Africa do not begin and end with Nigeria, others are making efforts.

And the point is, IT SHOULD. Kenya has a GDP that isn't up to that of Lagos, not to mention Nigeria that has 8 or 9 times the GDP of Kenya. No matter the effort these other countries are making, our size and available resources demand that we lead them when it comes to infrastructure and funding of projects.

Rossikki:


If you have only two cities in your country like Kenya, you can build multimillion dollar palaces as their respective train stations. But if you are in Nigeria, which has hundreds of cities, you cannot. You need to be more modest so the infrastructure spreads round.

Kenya has only 2 cities? Bros, don't give info that can easily be disputed!

On that 472km stretch alone has 2 major Terminus (Nairobi and Mombasa, where the journey begins and end on that route), 7 intermediate stations and 23 passing stations!

edoyad:


And the point is, IT SHOULD. Kenya has a GDP that isn't up to that of Lagos, not to mention Nigeria that has 8 or 9 times the GDP of Kenya. No matter the effort these other countries are making, our size and available resources demand that we lead them when it comes to infrastructure and funding of projects.

But we are lagging behind in leadership because one is the first son who is not pulling his weight, that will not diminish the efforts and achievements​ of the younger ones!

Pavore9:


Kenya has only 2 cities? Bros, don't give info that can easily be disputed!

On that 472km stretch alone has 2 major Terminus (Nairobi and Mombasa, where the journey begins and end on that route), 7 intermediate stations and 23 passing stations!

then Nigeria rail is less than the above?

Pavore9:


But we are lagging behind in leadership because one is the first son who is not pulling his weight, that will not diminish the efforts and achievements​ of the younger ones!

so you believe Nigeria is the 1st son

Some people on this forum get so pained when they hear that other African countries are making progress. Trying to talk bad or degrading a country doesn't negate the fact that it has made progress. For example, that railway will make traveling easy and will promote tourism. Those are direct benefits which will contribute to economic growth.

Pavore9:


Kenya has only 2 cities? Bros, don't give info that can easily be disputed!

On that 472km stretch alone has 2 major Terminus (Nairobi and Mombasa, where the journey begins and end on that route), 7 intermediate stations and 23 passing stations!

Any place under 500,000 in population is a town or village in my book, not a city. Kenya has only TWO cities. Nairobi, Mombasa, finish. The rest are glorified villages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_and_towns_in_Kenya_by_population

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it just like people are in disbelief that Nigeria remains the African nation to beat in terms of anything people should give Nigeria credit for its own developments and progress

Giant of Africa my foot!

baralatie:

so you believe Nigeria is the 1st son

Nigeria has the biggest population​ in Africa but not pulling in its weight in consideration of where it should be. How the Nigerian passport is perceived when placed alongside other African countries will give you the rating.

Pavore9:


Nigeria has the biggest population​ in Africa but not pulling in its weight in consideration of where it should be. How the Nigerian passport is perceived when placed alongside other African countries will give you the rating.

so your judgement about Nigeria is based on Nigerian passport?

Iolo:


I'm not sure you know this but virtually every country has some debt. The USA presently has over $ 20 Trillion in debt, the entire economy of the US is worth around $ 17 trillion. Japan's debt to GDP ratio is also in negative.

Debt is good if it's well spent.

Unfortunately we both know our politicians will not spend the debt well. They only want to score cheap political points. That is why Europeans are tired of lending to Nigeria. The cost of all these projects put together is enough to rejuvenate our power, steel and petroleum sectors.
Of what use is it to have a hummer jeep in a riverine area?
Most of the materials used to erect these structures are imported, and their cost over bloated. Eventually China will get their money back even before you start using the project. Maintenance then becomes an issue, so you still have to keep bringing in their expats. It is a vicious circle.
Nigeria keeps asking for fish without having the expertise to fish.

EzeUche:


Will you keep quiet!

Let me say this again, since you are having a hard time understanding.

THIS CAN NEVER HAPPEN IN NIGERIA IN A MILLION YEARS.

Why are you embarrassing your tribe?

Spit on Osu skulls

baralatie:

so your judgement about Nigeria is based on Nigerian passport?

Sadly, a passport summarizes a Country! Travelled with a Ghanian to another African country, at the Airport was told to step aside with other Nigerians for "further clearance" while the Ghanian was given an easy passage!

adde:
Unfortunately we both know our politicians will not spend the debt well. They only want to score cheap political points. That is why Europeans are tired of lending to Nigeria. The cost of all these projects put together is enough to rejuvenate our power, steel and petroleum sectors.
Of what use is it to have a hummer jeep in a riverine area?
Most of the materials used to erect these structures are imported, and their cost over bloated. Eventually China will get their money back even before you start using the project. Maintenance then becomes an issue, so you still have to keep bringing in their expats. It is a vicious circle.
Nigeria keeps asking for fish without having the expertise to fish.

so the one in Kenya will be maintained in what manner?

Built2last:
Till we get electricity right. Nigeria should forget development. 80% of our development is tide to it. Modern trains are impossible without electricity.

India has it in theor constitution that every newly elected leader must add 5000 megawatts to existing power generation.

U will make a GOOD LEADER
..but eediots won't allow you.

I keep saying that we can't build a house in darkness

Pavore9:


Sadly, a passport summarizes a Country! Travelled with a Ghanian to another African country, at the Airport was told to step aside with other Nigerians for "further clearance" while the Ghanian was given an easy passage!

so you did not travel with a Kenyan passport?
Now does it make Ghana(we have left Kenya o) a. bigger GDP nation than Nigeria?

Pavore9:


Sadly, a passport summarizes a Country! Travelled with a Ghanian to another African country, at the Airport was told to step aside with other Nigerians for "further clearance" while the Ghanian was given an easy passage!

That some Nigerians commit crimes abroad, which affects the country's reputation, doesn't mean you should have an inferiority complex, or it means the criminals have won, and you have lost.

I don't actually believe your story by the way.

Rossikki:


That some Nigerians commit crimes abroad, which affects the country's reputation, doesn't mean you should have an inferiority complex, or it means the criminals have won, and you have lost.

Bros l tire for these people.

baralatie:

so you did not travel with a Kenyan passport?
Now does it make Ghana(we have left Kenya o) a. bigger GDP nation than Nigeria?

Why should I travel with a Kenyan passport?

What use is it that if for example our GDP is 10 times of the one of another Country but those in that Country have no idea of what it is to have and run a generator at home because they have no issue with power​ supply? They can easily access Forex and do not know what black market rate means? They don't know what it is to regularly experience fuel crises


A higher GDP that does not reflect in a better and more comfortable life that those of lower GDP, of what use is it? I don't brag about GDP, who e epp?

Rossikki:


That some Nigerians commit crimes abroad, which affects the country's reputation, doesn't mean you should have an inferiority complex, or it means the criminals have won, and you have lost.

I don't actually believe your story by the way.

You don't need to believe my story and inferiority complex is alien to me as you have no idea what I do for a living!

adde:
Unfortunately we both know our politicians will not spend the debt well. They only want to score cheap political points. That is why Europeans are tired of lending to Nigeria. The cost of all these projects put together is enough to rejuvenate our power, steel and petroleum sectors.
Of what use is it to have a hummer jeep in a riverine area?
Most of the materials used to erect these structures are imported, and their cost over bloated. Eventually China will get their money back even before you start using the project. Maintenance then becomes an issue, so you still have to keep bringing in their expats. It is a vicious circle.
Nigeria keeps asking for fish without having the expertise to fish.

You are right about the leadership here in Nigeria being rotten and not trustworthy to spend such loans. Another thing to note is that China has had a steel glut hence their willingness to borrow African countries money for such projects. They import the railings and everything.

We just have to start from somewhere. And our leaders need to be wiser. Ensure knowledge transfer and maintenance by local hands is covered in the MOUs to start with.

Pavore9:


Why should I travel with a Kenyan passport?

What use is it that if for example our GDP is 10 times of the one of another Country but those in that Country have no idea of what it is to have and run a generator at home because they have no issue with power​ supply? They can easily access Forex and do not know what black market rate means? They don't know what it is to regularly experience fuel crises


A higher GDP that does not reflect in a better and more comfortable life that those of lower GDP, of what use is it? I don't brag about GDP, who e epp?

Indian GDP is 2.074 trillion dollars compared to 63.4 Billion dollars for kenya, that means Indian GDP is almost 50 times higher than that of Kenya, yet Kenyans enjoy better electricity than India, and some Indians prefer life in Kenya. Gabon is even doing much better as well as Mauritius. Yet the net worth of India's Bollywood alone may even outclass Gabon's GDP.

Rossikki:


Do you ignorant dolts understand there is a $25 billion high speed national rail network CURRENTLY under construction in Nigeria? It will outclass anything Kenya is currently doing, while connecting every state in Nigeria by high speed rail. This is why you and your ilk need to study and research before commenting.

I guess there is one ignorant ninny on this issue and it is yours for keeps. Is this your imagery high speed rail or train going to run coal and water? Your idiotic country cannot even supply electricity to a gutter. Please I suggest you and the dumbass country build ordinary asphalt roads before committing suicide with high speed train.

Pavore9:


Why should I travel with a Kenyan passport?

What use is it that if for example our GDP is 10 times of the one of another Country but those in that Country have no idea of what it is to have and run a generator at home because they have no issue with power​ supply? They can easily access Forex and do not know what black market rate means? They don't know what it is to regularly experience fuel crises


A higher GDP that does not reflect in a better and more comfortable life that those of lower GDP, of what use is it? I don't brag about GDP, who e epp?

why are upset about Kenyan passport?