Sarassin:
I am happy to do so and indeed have done so in the past

Would you?
Ah, would mean a lot to me if you do.
Thanks for obliging
You have not in the past done so. You have?
How did I not notice, see or find it?

Sarassin:
but I think we have deviated from the topic of the thread.

Oopsy daisy, my bad
but I thought the thread's topic is on/about "Spirit Lives", so isn't God, a Spirit then
Never mind, my apologies for my part and role I played in deviating from the thread's topic.

in order to makes amends and to respect your wish to bring sanity back to the thread, I'll create a separate thread dedicated to you, so you'll have the stage and the opportunity to define God and god for me

I really want and/or hope to be overawed

MuttleyLaff:
Would you?
Ah, would mean a lot to me if you do.
Thanks for obliging
You have not in the past done so. You have?
How did I not notice, see or find it?

Oopsy daisy, my bad
but I thought the thread's topic is on/about "Spirit Lives", so isn't God, a Spirit then
Never mind, my apologies for my part and role I played in deviating from the thread's topic.

in order to makes amends and to respect your wish to bring sanity back to the thread, I'll create a separate thread dedicated to you, so you'll have the stage and the opportunity to define God and god for me

I really want and/or hope to be overawed

No apology required my friend, and no need for a thread "dedicated" to me, you can set up a thread for the generality to discuss their take on God and gods, I would be more than happy to contribute. It is no secret that my outlook on God is essentially for lack of a better term Pantheist, and that humanity is an integral part of the Divine ecosystem. I believe that all religions are essentially false although most contain grains of universal truths. I hope my humble views will reach your exacting standards, set up the thread if you please and let's get to it.

Sarassin:
No apology required my friend, and no need for a thread "dedicated" to me

It's your point of view, your perspective, your posturing, I am interested in and not necessarily others
I wasn't intending to set up a Jankara mall or market place thread

Sarassin:
you can set up a thread for the generality to discuss their take on God and gods, I would be more than happy to contribute

As I've said, your definition of the nouns, God and god, is of the most interest to me

Sarassin:
It is no secret that my outlook on God is essentially for lack of a better term Pantheist, and that humanity is an integral part of the Divine ecosystem. I believe that all religions are essentially false although most contain grains of universal truths. I hope my humble views will reach your exacting standards, set up the thread if you please and let's get to it

Religions are the least of my concern
Talking of religion, you know, as well as I do, what true and pure religion is anyway, so anyone believing in anything else (e.g. Christianity, Islam, Buddism, Hinduism, Penterascalism/Pentecostalism etcetera) parading itself otherwise are just kidding themselves

MuttleyLaff:
It's your point of view, your perspective, your posturing, I am interested in and not necessarily others

It is quite fascinating that this one will still be jaunting around and even tell other people that they are 'posturing'.

This is truly a wonderful world and Homo sapiens sapiens is truly a wonderful species.

MuttleyLaff:
It's your point of view, your perspective, your posturing, I am interested in and not necessarily others
I wasn't intending to set up a Jankara mall or market place thread

As I've said, your definition of the nouns, God and god, is of the most interest to me

In that case I would say simply;

In relation to mankind I see God as the Divine sentience, a universal presence, progenitor of ever-present change and unitary of opposites. I see gods or more specifically, what I term fundamental deities as the various attributes or emanations of the Divine presence.

MISHIGAS!

. PSALM 1:1-6.

BLESSED is the man
that walketh not in The Counsel of the Ungodly,
nor standeth in The Way of Sinners,
nor sitteth in The Seat of the Scornful.
2. But his delight is in The Law of The LORD;
and in His Law doth he meditate day and night.
3. And he shall be like a tree
planted by the rivers of water,
that bringeth forth his fruit in his season;
his leaf also shall not wither;
and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
4. The Ungodly are not so:
but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
5. Therefore the Ungodly shall not stand in the Judgment,
nor Sinners in the Congregation of the Righteous.
6. For The LORD knoweth The Way of the Righteous:
but the Way of the Ungodly shall perish.

. JOHN 3:1-21.

THERE was a man of the Pharisees,
named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2. The same came to Jesus by night,
and said unto him,

"Rabbi, we know that thou
art a Teacher come from God:
for no man can do
these Miracles that thou doest,
except God be with him."

3. Jesus answered and said unto him,

"Verily, verily, I say unto thee,

'EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN AGAIN,
HE CANNOT SEE
THE KINGDOM OF GOD.' "

4. Nicodemus saith unto him,

"How can a man be born
when he is old?
Can he enter the second time
into his mother's womb,
and be born?"

5. Jesus answered,

"Verily, verily, I say unto thee,

'EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN
OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT,
HE CANNOT ENTER INTO
THE KINGDOM OF GOD.'

6. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7. "Marvel not that I said unto thee,

'YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN.'

8. "The wind bloweth where it listeth,
and thou hearest the sound thereof,
but canst not tell whence it cometh,
and whither it goeth:
so is every one that is Born of the Spirit."

9. Nicodemus answered and said unto him,

"How can these things be?"

10. Jesus answered and said unto him,

"Art thou a Master of Israel,
knowest not these things?
11. "Verily, verily, I say unto thee,

'WE SPEAK THAT WE DO KNOW,
AND TESTIFY THAT WE HAVE SEEN;
AND YE RECEIVE NOT OUR WITNESS.'

12. "If I have told you Earthly things,
and ye believe not,
how shall ye believe,
if I tell you of Heavenly things?
13. “And no man hath Ascended up to Heaven,
but he that came down from Heaven,
even The Son of Man,
which is in Heaven.
14. "And as Moses lifted up
the serpent in the wilderness,
even so must The Son of Man be lifted up:
15. "That whosoever believeth in him
should not Perish,
but have Eternal Life.
16. "For God so loved the World,
that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not Perish,
but have Everlasting Life.
17. "For God sent not His Son into the World
to condemn the World;
but that the World
through him might be Saved.
18. "He that believeth on him
is not Condemned:
but he that believeth not
is Condemned already,
because he hath not believed
in the Name of The Only Begotten Son of God.
19. "And this is The Condemnation,

'THAT LIGHT IS COME
INTO THE WORLD,
AND MEN LOVED DARKNESS
RATHER THAN LIGHT,
BECAUSE THEIR DEEDS
WERE EVIL.'

20. "For every one that doeth Evil
hateth the Light,
neither cometh to The Light,
lest his deeds should be reproved.
21. "But he that doeth Truth
cometh to The Light,
that his deeds may be made manifest,
that they are wrought in God."

. JOHN 5:19-24.

19. Then answered Jesus and Said unto them,

"Verily, verily, I say unto you,

'THE SON CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF,
BUT WHAT HE SEETH THE FATHER DO:'

for what things soever he doeth,
these also doeth the Son likewise.
20. "For The Father loveth The Son,
and sheweth him all things
that Himself doeth:
and he will shew him
Greater Works than these,
that ye may marvel.
21. “For as The Father raiseth up the dead,
and quickeneth them;
even so The Son quickeneth
whom he will.
22. “For the Father judgeth no man,
but hath committed all Judgment unto The Son:
23. “That all men should honour The Son,
even as they honour The Father.
He that honoureth not The Son
honoureth not The Father Which hath sent him.
24. "Verily, verily, I say unto you,

'HE THAT HEARETH MY WORD,
AND BELIEVETH ON HIM THAT SENT ME,
HATH EVERLASTING LIFE,
AND SHALL NOT COME INTO CONDEMNATION;
BUT IS PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE.' "

. JOHN 14:12.

12. "Verily, verily, I say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
THE WORKS THAT I DO
SHALL HE DO ALSO;
AND GREATER WORKS
THAN THESE SHALL HE DO;
BECAUSE I GO UNTO MY FATHER.'

Those who are the Blessed receive things from God and retain them.

Those who are the Accursed do not receive things from God, and even lose the things that they have.

Those who "WALK IN THE COUNSEL OF THE UNGODLY," "STAND IN THE WAY OF SINNERS," and "SIT IN THE SEAT OF THE SCORNFUL" are NOT "Blessed." Such people do not MEDITATE IN THE LAW OF GOD DAY AND NIGHT.

That is because these people do not LOVE GOD.

They might like to receive from God- they believe in his Existence enough to do THAT- but if they have to ENDURE "too much," or WORK "too hard," they will ABANDON the Way of God.

. MATTHEW 13:10-23.

10. And the Disciples came,
and said unto him,

"Why speakest thou unto them in Parables?"

11. He answered and said unto them,

"Because it is given unto you to know
The Mysteries of The Kingdom of Heaven,
but to them it is not given.
12. "For whosoever hath,
to him shall be given,
and he shall have more abundance:
but whosoever hath not,
from him shall be taken away
even that he hath.
13. "Therefore speak I to them in Parables:
because they seeing see not;
and hearing they hear not,
neither do they understand.
14. "And in them is fulfilled
the Prophecy of Esaias,
which saith,

'BY HEARING YE SHALL HEAR,
AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND;
AND SEEING YE SHALL SEE,
AND SHALL NOT PERCEIVE:
15. 'FOR THIS PEOPLE'S HEART
IS WAXED GROSS,
AND THEIR EARS
ARE DULL OF HEARING,
AND THEIR EYES
THEY HAVE CLOSED;
LEST AT ANY TIME
THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES
AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS,
AND SHOULD UNDERSTAND
WITH THEIR HEART,
AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED,
AND I SHOULD HEAL THEM.'

16. "But Blessed are your eyes,
for they see:
and your ears,
for they hear.
17. "For verily I say unto you,

'THAT MANY PROPHETS
AND RIGHTEOUS MEN
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.'

18. "Hear ye therefore
The Parable of the Sower.

19. 'WHEN ANY ONE HEARETH
THE WORD OF THE KINGDOM,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT NOT,
THEN COMETH THE WICKED ONE,
AND CATCHETH AWAY THAT
WHICH WAS SOWN IN HIS HEART.
THIS IS HE WHICH RECEIVED SEED
BY THE WAY SIDE.

20. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED THE SEED
INTO STONY PLACES,
THE SAME IS HE
THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND ANON WITH JOY
RECEIVETH IT;
21. 'YET HATH HE NOT ROOT IN HIMSELF,
BUT DURETH FOR A WHILE:
FOR WHEN TRIBULATION OR PERSECUTION
ARISETH BECAUSE OF THE WORD,
BY AND BY HE IS OFFENDED.

22. 'HE ALSO THAT RECEIVED SEED
AMONG THE THORNS
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD;
AND THE CARE OF THIS WORLD,
AND THE DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES,
CHOKE THE WORD,
AND HE BECOMETH UNFRUITFUL.
23. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED SEED
INTO THE GOOD GROUND
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT;
WHICH ALSO BEARETH FRUIT,
AND BRINGETH FORTH,
SOME AN HUNDREDFOLD,
SOME SIXTY,
SOME THIRTY.' "

Since "WISDOM" begins with "FEAR OF GOD," and "UNDERSTANDING is defined as "TO DEPART FROM EVIL," let the reader determine whether I exaggerate in declaring that this SCIENCEWATCH is a WICKED person, who does NOT Fear God, and has NOT Departed from Evil.

ScienceWatch:
I just received an email that asked me to engaged with this post of Bronchitis Oaroloye as if it was fiction. I said in surprise that it is damn fiction and I aim to expose it as such. But the email asked for me to assume that I accepted this fiction as if it was reality.

OK let see. Fictioneers please help.

Hi pastor Bronchi, great post hey. Ya man ! Do you mind helping me, I am writing a Non-fiction novel called "The universe has vanished."
I am interested in using the 5 ideas of yours above to use as a basic plot, so I can scramble it hoping for a Big-Bang or even petty evolution from the mix.

Lets go through your brilliant fictional ideas one by one :

. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matthew 25:1-46.)

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.
6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.]

Correct Procedure for a Christian would be to SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES for ANY possibility that I MIGHT be telling The Truth.

. DANIEL 6:14.

14. Then the king,
when he heard these words,
was sore displeased with himself,
and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him:
and he laboured
till the going down of the Sun
to deliver him.

ScienceWatch:


. DIANETICS AXIOMS.

. DIANETICS AXIOMS.

THE Source of Life is a static.

[A LIFE STATIC has no size,
no shape, no mass, no temperature,
no frequency, nor any other physical property.]
of peculiar and particular properties.

2. At least a portion of the static called life
is impinged upon the Physical Universe.
3. That portion of the Static of Life
which is impinged upon the Physical Universe
has for its Dynamic Goal SURVIVAL and ONLY Survival.
4. The Physical Universe is reducible to motion of energy
operating in Space through Time.
5. That portion of the Static of Life concerned
with the Life Organisms of the Physical Universe
is concerned WHOLLY with MOTION.

22. Theta and Thought are similar orders of static.
23. All Thought is concerned with Motion.
26. Thought is accomplished by Theta Facsimiles
of Physical Universe, entities or actions.
99. Theta Facsimiles can recombine into new symbols.
100. Language is the symbolization of effort.
101. Language depends for its force
upon the force which accompanied its definition.
[Note: Counter-effort, not language, is aberrative.]
109. Behavior is modified by Counter-Efforts which have impinged on the Organism.
110. The component parts of Theta are AFFINITY, REALITY, and COMMUNICATION.
111. SELF-DETERMINISM consists of maximal Affinity, Reality, and Communication.
112. AFFINITY is the cohesion of Theta.
Affinity manifests Itself as the recognition
of similarity of Efforts and Goals amongst Organisms by those Organisms.
113. REALITY is the Agreement Upon perceptions
and data in the Physical Universe.
All that we can be sure is real is that on which we have agreed is real.
Agreement is the Essence of Reality.
114. COMMUNICATION is the interchange of perceptions
through the Material Universe between Organisms
or the perception of the Material Universe by Sense Channels.
115. SELF-DETERMINISM is the Theta Control of the Organism.
116. A SELF-DETERMINED EFFORT is that Counter-Effort
which has been received into the Organism in the Past
and integrated into the organism for its Conscious Use.
117. The components of Self-Determinism
are AFFINITY, COMMUNICATION, and REALITY.

[THE EIGHT DYNAMICS: The Eight Levels on which we Exist:

1. Self; 2. Family; 3. Groups; 4. All Mankind; 5. All Living Things;
6. The MEST (Matter, Energy, Space, Time- i.e. PHYSICAL) Universe;
7. Spirits; 8. God.]

118. An Organism cannot become aberrated
unless it has AGREED-UPON that Aberration,
has been IN COMMUNICATION WITH a Source of Aberration,
and has HAD AFFINITY FOR the Aberrator.
119. Agreement with any Source, contra- or pro-Survival,
postulates a New Reality for the organism.
121. Every Thought has been preceded by Physical Action.
122. The Mind does with Thought
as it has done with entities in the Physical Universe.
127. All perceptions reaching the organism's sense channels
are recorded and stored by Theta Facsimile.
Definition: Perception is the process of recording data
from the Physical Universe and storing it as a Theta Facsimile.
Definition:Recall is the process of regaining Perceptions.
128. Any organism can recall everything which it has perceived.

[color=silver]. -SCIENTOLOGY 0-8: The Book of Basics, by L. Ron Hubbard.[/color]

SCIENCEWATCH knows that I have posted these AXIOMS since a while ago, and went over there to go and so similar to what the Ashkenazi Jews were told in Palestine in 1948. His only Purpose is to stop people from learning from anybody other than his wicked master, TUBERCULOSIS JOSHUA, who may or may not be going to Israel, depending on how low he can compromise.

You have already agreed not to declare Islam a Sinful Religion.

You have already agreed never to say that Jesus was Black.

What other lies have you agreed to let slide?

. DEUTERONOMY 27:24.

24. Cursed be he that smiteth his neighbour secretly.
And all the people shall say, "Amen."

MY IDENTITY is well known to the people of IDANRE and to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CIVIL SERVICE.

I cannot just blab anything stupid, because I am accountable.

SCIENCEWATCH, however, can afford to LIE and SLANDER criminally, because nobody knows who he or she really is.

The Law of the Land and the Rules of NAIRALAND permit that; THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD DO NOT.

SCIENCEWATCH should never be allowed any Oxygen of Credibility, because whoever it is is not responsible nor accountable.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/4535904_memewisemanpointsatmoonconfucius001_jpega6ef5a69471fe0d04db706d01b153e48

Your Fiction 1) ANYONE WITH POWER can Assemble their own World in the Spiritual Realm. If they can survive their Death, this can become a Haven for their Followers, too.

My fiction 1) The world that I want to create in my book called "The Universe Has Vanished" is where working people dont have to travel to work, but simply walk through their bathroom door and suddenly appear at work. Saving time and money. Each person will buy from me exclusively a variety of Magical Traveling door screens after my book has gained popularity. If you know what I mean ? I want to create my own world for others to live in if you know what I mean ?

THE LORD YAHSHUA EXPLICITLY SAID that it is "ACCORDING TO THE MEASURE THAT YOU METE."

. DEUTERONOMY 25:4.

4. Thou shalt not muzzle the ox
when he treadeth out the corn.

If you want to use TELEPORTATION for YOURSELF, you must have FIRST used It FOR GOD.

. MATTHEW 9:16-17.

16. "No man putteth a piece of new cloth
unto an old garment,
for that which is put in to fill it up
taketh from the garment,
and the rent is made worse.
17. "Neither do men put new wine into old bottles:
else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out,
and the bottles perish:
but they put new wine into new bottles,
and both are preserved."

. MARK 11:20-26.

20. And in the morning,
as they passed by,
they saw the fig tree dried up
from the roots.
21. And Peter calling to remembrance
saith unto him,

"Master, behold,
the fig tree which thou cursedst
is withered away."

22. And Jesus answering Saith unto them,

"Have Faith in God.
23. "For verily I say unto you,

'THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY
UNTO THIS MOUNTAIN,

"BE THOU REMOVED,
AND BE THOU CAST INTO THE SEA;"

AND SHALL NOT DOUBT IN HIS HEART,
BUT SHALL BELIEVE THAT THOSE THINGS
WHICH HE SAITH SHALL COME TO PASS;
HE SHALL HAVE WHATSOEVER HE SAITH.'

24. "Therefore I say unto you,

'WHAT THINGS SOEVER YE DESIRE,
WHEN YE PRAY,
BELIEVE THAT YE RECEIVE THEM,
AND YE SHALL HAVE THEM.'

25. "And when ye stand praying,
forgive, if ye have ought against any:
that your Father also
Which is in Heaven
may forgive you your trespasses.
26. "But if ye do not forgive,
neither will your Father
Which is in Heaven
forgive your trespasses."

NO CHRISTIAN HAS EVER BEEN KNOWN TO HAVE CAST AN ACTUAL MOUNTAIN ANYWHERE.

Some may have felled trees (someone illustrated it in a tract I saw, once,) but SCIENTOLOGY explains the mechanism behind this, and CARLOS CASTANEDA'S NAGUALISM explains why someone might GO INSANE, or KILL THEMSELVES trying to do this.

How much does a DISEASE weigh? Several Kilogrammes at best.

How much does a MOUNTAIN weigh? Mount Everest is estimated about 166 trillion kilogrammes.

The nonsense of the CARNAL MIND is to think that THE AMOUNT OF WEIGHT makes a DIFFERENCE!

There is NO DIFFERENCE between being able to CAST OUT CATARRH and being able to CAST OUT ASO ROCK.

You disagree?

Which one can YOU do?

MASS and SPACE are CONSIDERATIONS of MEST, and CONSIDERATIONS can be ALTERED at WILL- if you are in command of YOU.

If you are NOT a SELF-DETERMINED Entity, you have CONSIDERATIONS installed, which work against you.

CARLOS CASTANEDA says that your ONCE-FLEXIBLE Soul is NOW ENCASED in a SHELL of CONDENSED SPIRIT ENERGY- the prerequisite condition for DEATH.

All the "useless Commandments" the Lord Yahshua Commanded are intended to RENDER YOUR SOUL BODY FLEXIBLE again.

Anyone telling you that you don't need to do them is actively trying to KILL you.

Your Fiction 2) I HAVE USED THIS TEACHING SEVERAL TIMES. SCIENCEWATCH therefore KNOWS from ME that SCIENTOLOGY is NOT ATHEISTIC at all, but rather teaches that MAN IS A SPIRITUAL BEING, WHO DEPEND ON A SUPREME BEING, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY CALLED "GOD." SCIENTOLOGY teaches PRACTICAL PROOFS that this is so.

My fiction 2) Mmm ! yeh i like that teaching bro. I dont know Sciencewatch but could you give me some idea of how to alter the plot of my book "The Universe Has Vanished" to BAG most atheists if you know what I mean. Wink, Wink !
If I should use Criminal Scientology in the plot of my book I would insist on calling god by another name that will have a very broad appeal across all belief systems. Thats why i painstakingly came up with the title "CADBURY." Mmmm ! If you know what I mean ?

TOTAL RECALL is attained when one has ASSUMED RESPONSIBLITY for the Memories that one DOES NOT WANT to remember again.

These memories were intolerably painful.

L. RON HUBBARD SAID that there were people who would SCREAM TO HIGH HEAVEN in the midst of auditing- and people outside the room would be assured that they were eyewitnesses (or ear-witnesses) to MURDER taking place.

They waited outside- no doubt, to make sure that the (*Bleep!*)ard certainly did not get away- but when the door opened and the "victim" came out, the FIRST shock is that someone so TINY was making all THAT noise, the second is that the person is SMILING happily!

He said, joking apart, that they used to rate Engrams according to KLENNEX TISSUES used.

"... there is the two Kleenex Engram, the four-Kleenex Engram- we got a whole BOX off HIM!" - Introduction to DIANETICS Tapes.

IF YOU HAVE TOTAL RECALL, THEN YOU HAVE EXACT MEMORIES THAT YOU CAN RETURN TO, TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

What is so outlandish or unbelievable about THAT?

That is a WORLD in your MEMORIES, is it not?

That IS a UNIVERSE?

If you are WEAK, it exists only in your THOUGHTS.

They call that "IMAGINARY," and say that it is NOT "REAL," and does NOT "EXIST."

That is BULLSHIT: if it doesn't EXIST, how are you able to FIND it?

Do you think that you REBUILD imaginations from SCRATCH every time?

Where does the KNOWLEDGE to do that come from? WHERE is it STORED?

Do you know that THERE IS NO ROOM IN YOUR BRAIN to STORE your Memories for more than A FEW MONTHS only?

Did you EVER THINK about THAT?

At some point, you will understand that YOUR MIND is CREATING SPACE to STORE its MEMORIES and IMAGINATIONS.

If you are very weak, then you can only "IMAGINE." .... and THINK that your "IMAGINATIONS" are NOT "REALLY EXISTING."

REALITY is when OTHER PEOPLE can PERCEIVE what someone else "IMAGINED."

What is so very interesting about this is that YOU CAN BRING OBJECTS OUT OF YOUR "IMAGINARY UNIVERSE," and MAKE them "REAL."

You can TAKE objects from the EARTH and SEND them into YOUR PRIVATE UNIVERSE.

For a person with a "CALCIFIED" Soul to TRY this would INJURE them MENTALLY and even PHYSIOLOGICALLY.

Examples of that can be seen in CHRISTIANITY.

There are people who CANNOT BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD ANYMORE- because THEY ABUSED FAITH and RUPTURED something- trying to BELIEVE something BEYOND THE MEASURE THEY METED.

Your Fiction 3) Therefore, ATHEISTS HATE SCIENTOLOGY, because It disproves everything they stand for. SCIENCEWATCH knows all this. He is therefore deliberately LYING to you, to DISCOURAGE you from investigating SCIENTOLOGY yourself. TO OVERCOME THE POSTULATES OF THE DEVILS IT IS NECESSARY TO ATTAIN THE 32^nd Awareness Level.

My fiction 3) Mmmm ! I notice you have a small problem there. Can I suggest that you use the name of my fictional god, "CADBURY: in your fictional Scientology to please the Atheists. I see you have made it very easy in your created world for humans to progress to level 32 Awareness. I am planning to add 267 levels in my book "The Universe Has Vanished" at 27,000 Niara per level if you know what I mean ? There is nothing for nothing in the world of fiction as long as the humans dont know that it is fiction. Thats why I will publish my book as Non-Fiction if you know what I mean. Wink Wink.

WRITING A FICTIONAL NOVEL IS CREATING A UNIVERSE.

NIKOLA TESLA- the inventor of ALTERNATING CURRENT- said that before he built a machine, he would first VISUALIZE IT- every nut, bolt, wire, and weld.

He said that his VISUALIZATIONS were so accurate, that the "IMAGINARY" Machine would have BUGS- which, when he BUILT and RAN the machine, THOSE SAME BUGS would manifest.

[See: MY LIFE AND WORKS, by Nikola Tesla.]

Your Fiction 4) L. RON HUBBARD taught that if you POSTULATED MEST into existence, which is done with AS-IS-NESS, the SAME AS-IS-NESS will ANNIHILATE what you just CREATED, so that you must use ALTER-IS-NESS to STABILIZE your Creation and MAKE THEM PERSIST.

My fiction 4) Your guy L.Ron Hubbard must be good to live in all this MEST. To avoid you accusing me and suing some time in the future for plagiarizing, we should agree that the terminology in my book "The Universe Has Vanished" will have different meanings with contrary indicators for POSTULATION OF DIRT. to create NOT-IS-LESS to annihilate CANT-IS-LESS so that one can stabilize the new creation with WHY-IS-LESS to maintain persistence if you know what I mean ?


Your Fiction 5) . SCIENTOLOGY AXIOM 29.

29. In order to cause an As-Is-ness to persist, one must
Assign other authorship to the creation than his own.
Otherwise his view of it would cause its vanishment.

[color=#550000] Any space, energy, form, object, individual, or Physical Universe condition can
Exist only when an alteration has occurred of the original As-Is-ness so as to
Prevent a casual view from vanishing it. In other words, anything which is
Persisting must contain a “lie” so that the original consideration is not

My fiction 5) In my book "The Universe Has Vanished" I could borrow some of your plot even if it is only a few square meters.
Considering the simplicity of your SCIENTOLOGY AXIOM 29 I will simply reverse engineer my WHY-IS-LESS to exist without an alteration so that any casual view cant vanish into its own original consideration that IS-NOT-LESS.

if you believed what THE BIBLE said, you would have no trouble believing what SCIENTOLOGY says.

Which is EASIER: to PRAY for GOD to give you MEST, or give you something "IMAGINARY?"

If you cannot IMAGINE something you want, you won't be able to get it PHYSICALLY.

Having something in your "IMAGINARY UNIVERSE" can be BETTER than having it PHYSICALLY.

MuttleyLaff:

I expect to see your rottweiler out soon. Kikiki

PastorAIO:
It is quite fascinating that this one will still be jaunting around and even tell other people that they are 'posturing'.
This is truly a wonderful world and Homo sapiens sapiens is truly a wonderful species.

Talk of the devil
Now that you've turned up,
why dont you, for the avoidance of any doubt,
slam an ''out of order'' sticker on your forehead and call it a day
Mtcheeewwww...

MuttleyLaff:


Talk of the devil
Now that you've turned up,
why dont you, for the avoidance of any doubt,
slam an ''out of order'' sticker on your forehead and call it a day
Mtcheeewwww...

The day you will actually address an issue with relevant points instead of memes and insults and preening about like you know more than is capable of coming out of your mouth, that day we will sacrifice a whole malu in my village.

MuttleyLaff:

You must be having a laugh with this rash hasty reply and verse.

I expect to see your rottweiler out soon. Kikiki


I am not impressed by your knee-jerk reaction short of substance replies.
You know, you don't necessarily have to, for the sake of it, immediately reply back

Apollonius of Tyana sprang to your mind?
Yeah? But it didnt register in your mind, that Apollonius of Tyana was a contemporary of Jesus, yet, not a diddly-squat of Magi from the East, turned up to pay him obeisance, talkless, worship him

Exactly,
and you do accept that, it all revolves around and centres on the Father
It is about everything and all that has to do with God's interest

Who told this monkey that any Magi came to bow down to baby Jesus?
Which verse of the bible said magi bowed to Jesus. And if it is not from the bible then which other dubious source did you conjure this misinformation from.

PastorAIO:
Who told this monkey that any Magi came to bow down to baby Jesus?
Which verse of the bible said magi bowed to Jesus.
And if it is not from the bible then which other dubious source did you conjure this misinformation from.

¹After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea,
during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem,
²asking, “Where is the One who has been born King of the Jews?
We saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.”
³When King Herod heard this, he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him
- Matthew 2:1-3

Eyahh, peele, missing and looking for your long lost cousin, are you?
Though sometimes, I wish I was a monkey
so I could throw poop at deserving people like you and it would be legit
but thank your stars, I am not
and I aint the one you're looking for

Now put up or shut up with Matthew 2:1-3 above
Continue and make me unleash your cousin flying monkeys on you

Good ness gracious, so the monkey is actually capable of going to the bible to dig out a chapter and verse. Well done. I'll bear it I. Mind from now on that you have this skill.

MuttleyLaff:
¹After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea,
during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem,
²asking, “Where is the One who has been born King of the Jews?
We saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.”
³When King Herod heard this, he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him
- Matthew 2:1-3

Eyahh, peele, missing and looking for your long lost cousin, are you?
Though sometimes, I wish I was a monkey
so I could throw poop at deserving people like you and it would be legit
but thank your stars, I am not
and I aint the one you're looking for

Now put up or shut up with Matthew 2:1-3 above
Continue and make me unleash your cousin flying monkeys on you

MuttleyLaff:
¹After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea,
during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem,
²asking, “Where is the One who has been born King of the Jews?
We saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.”
³When King Herod heard this, he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him
- Matthew 2:1-3

Leaving talk of airborne primates aside for a moment. And talking about this Magi business, we then have to face an obvious conundrum. It is Matthew who describes the visit of the Magi and the subsequent decision by the family to Flee to Egypt to escape Herod. Luke on the other hand says nothing about such a journey, not a hint about the Massacre of Innocents in fact he writes that the baby Jesus is presented at the temple (which would have taken place within 40 days of his birth). In addition, the adoration story of Luke 2 makes it clear that the annunciation was to shepherds, who in turn came to worship the baby Jesus, no mention of Magi.

Both stories are incompatible, if one is correct, the other is necessarily wrong, the possibility exists that both accounts are pious renderings and are entirely made up.

But why would Matthew make up the story involving eastern wise men. Could their be some tradition in the east that he is trying to misappropriate?

Sarassin:


Leaving talk of airborne primates aside for a moment. And talking about this Magi business, we then have to face an obvious conundrum. It is Matthew who describes the visit of the Magi and the subsequent decision by the family to Flee to Egypt to escape Herod. Luke on the other hand says nothing about such a journey, not a hint about the Massacre of Innocents in fact he writes that the baby Jesus is presented at the temple (which would have taken place within 40 days of his birth). In addition, the adoration story of Luke 2 makes it clear that the annunciation was to shepherds, who in turn came to worship the baby Jesus, no mention of Magi.

Both stories are incompatible, if one is correct, the other is necessarily wrong, the possibility exists that both accounts are pious renderings and are entirely made up.

PastorAIO:
But why would Matthew make up the story involving eastern wise men. Could their be some tradition in the east that he is trying to misappropriate?

More likely than not. It goes back to my earlier post to Muttleylaff. I think the placement of the Magi and even that of the Shepherds by Luke is more of a convenience. I think the greater emphasis was meant to be placed on the celestial object that supposedly brought the Magi and the Shepherds to the Christ child and heralded the birth.

We know that Matthew wrote principally to a Jewish audience and would not have chosen "Shepherds" as the vehicle for his annunciation hence, he brought figurative "kings". Above all else I believe Matthew were merely conforming to prevailing traditions i.e following in the footsteps of the cults of Osiris, Orpheus, Krishna and the likes whose births were heralded by the heavenly bodies, in my opinion.

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!


MY IDENTITY is well known to the people of IDANRE and to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CIVIL SERVICE.

I cannot just blab anything stupid, because I am accountable.

SCIENCEWATCH, however, can afford to LIE and SLANDER criminally, because nobody knows who he or she really is.

The Law of the Land and the Rules of NAIRALAND permit that; THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD DO NOT.

SCIENCEWATCH should never be allowed any Oxygen of Credibility, because whoever it is is not responsible nor accountable.

You are totally off topic here pastor Bronchitis, and forgive me for cutting your million word spam post down to only 47 words.
But now that you have told me how famous you are and that you dont want the people of Idanre to think that you are stupid. How can I help you restore their trust ? You have come to the right place....... THE SPIRIT LIVES

I can start by saying that all the High Court Judges lied when they found L.Ron Hubbard guilty and sentenced him to 4yrs in prison. All the other international high court Judges also lied when they found thousands of your Criminal Scientologist guilty. I could also agree with you that Ron DeWolf, the son of the creator of Criminal Scientology is lying when he said that his dad wrote the fiction novel DIANETICS on his mothers kitchen table without any scientific experiments. I agree with you that his son is a damn liar, because you would have know if it was so, of course.

What more can I say so that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CIVIL SERVICE will not think you are stupid ?
Mmmm !! this may help, DIANETICS is not a fictional novel written by a certain man that had SEXUAL ORGIES with the young girls in his church.
That same man would invite is son DeWolf to join in with 4 to 5 girls and have the SEXUAL ORGIES together to gain more power from Lucifer. That is also a damn lie !!

You go ahead pastor Bronchitis, I will tell the people of Idanre and the Federal Government Civil Service that I lied and that you are a honest and highly intelligent chap. Cherio !!

Sarassin:
Leaving talk of airborne primates aside for a moment.
And talking about this Magi business, we then have to face an obvious conundrum.
It is Matthew who describes the visit of the Magi and the subsequent decision by the family to Flee to Egypt to escape Herod.
Luke on the other hand says nothing about such a journey, not a hint about the Massacre of Innocents in fact he writes that the baby Jesus is presented at the temple (which would have taken place within 40 days of his birth).
In addition, the adoration story of Luke 2 makes it clear that the annunciation was to shepherds, who in turn came to worship the baby Jesus, no mention of Magi.

Both stories are incompatible, if one is correct, the other is necessarily wrong, the possibility exists that both accounts are pious renderings and are entirely made up

I beg to differ, there is no conundrum
This is anything less than three-dimensional
The characterization and representation of events were done three-dimensionally.
Whatever Luke missed out in his perpective, Matthew is there seeing it from his point of view
so both stories are true

MISHIGAS!

ScienceWatch:
You are totally off topic here pastor Bronchitis, and forgive me for cutting your million word spam post down to only 47 words.
But now that you have told me how famous you are and that you dont want the people of Idanre to think that you are stupid. How can I help you restore their trust ? You have come to the right place....... THE SPIRIT LIVES

I never said I didn't want the people of Idanre to think me stupid.

They already told me I was stupid for adhering to The Gospel, as a BORN AGAIN PENTECOSTAL Christian, in degiance of Anglicsn Tradition, despite my father their king terminating my University Education because of it.

I can start by saying that all the High Court Judges lied when they found L.Ron Hubbard guilty and sentenced him to 4yrs in prison. All the other international high court Judges also lied when they found thousands of your Criminal Scientologist guilty. I could also agree with you that Ron DeWolf, the son of the creator of Criminal Scientology is lying when he said that his dad wrote the fiction novel DIANETICS on his mothers kitchen table without any scientific experiments. I agree with you that his son is a damn liar, because you would have know if it was so, of course.

First of all, WHO ARE YOU?

What are your QUALIFICATIONS for saying all this?

You work for TUBERCULOSIS JOSHUA and SYNAGOGUE CHURCH OF ALL NATIONS, therefore your PRIMARY MOTIVATION is to EXALT TUBERCULOSIS JOSHUA, while ABASING THE LORD YAHSHUA to a MERE FIGUREHEAD, whose HOLY BLOOD can be bottled and distributed as a COMMODITY!

T.B. JOSHUA'S UNNOTICED MORNING WATER BLASPHEMIES.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=feSxdB4HPQA

AFTER LURING 116 MEMBERS TO THEIR DEATHS- consistent with JUJU SACRIFICES- he then had FALSE VISIONERSNAND PROPHETS say that they were now IN HEAVEN AS MARTYRS!

Well, WHO martyred them?!

T.B. JOSHUA 12 September 2014 Condolences Speech. 26/09/14

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aOOsWb_Kcts

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YF4sXogzZLE

These incidents are WELL-SUBSTANTIATED.

We know they happened.

When was L. Ron Hubbard ever sentenced to 4 years imprisonment?

Which Court?

For what crime?

Why don't you SAY?

As for L. RON HUBBARD writing DIANETICS: THE MODERN SCIENCE OF MENTAL HEALTH at his kitchen table, like your RICHARD due MILLE Accusations (why don't you mention that he was a CO-FOUNDER of SCIENTOLOGY, along with PAUL TWITCHELL, the founder of ECKANKAR?) that is CONSISTENT with how DIANETICS works.

L. RON HUBBARD reportedly said that his first Final Draft of his "BOOK ONE" was considered "TOO LEAN" by his published, who ordered him to go and make it FOUR TIMES BIGGER. He said that therefore, if you notice, he repeats everything he says four times.

(I only read that book less than twice, and never noticed that. My "Anointing" burns when I read Spiritual Things, or think on them in depth.)

What more can I say so that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CIVIL SERVICE will not think you are stupid ?
Mmmm !! this may help, DIANETICS is not a fictional novel written by a certain man that had SEXUAL ORGIES with the young girls in his church.

Since Ronald deWolff had a FINANCIAL INTEREST in telling these stories, how much credence should be given to them?

In THE STORY OF DIANETICS & SCIENTOLIGY, L. Ron Hubbard told how he got the... 280, you say? Case Histories that formed the basis of DIANETICS:

".... I WRAPPED A TOWEL AROUND MY HEAD, AND BECAME A SWAMI.
I HIRED A REGISTERED NURSE AS MY ASSISTANT.
THOSE WERE THE FIRST CLEARS."

That same man would invite is son DeWolf to join in with 4 to 5 girls and have the SEXUAL ORGIES together to gain more power from Lucifer. That is also a damn lie !!

Do you have PROOF that that ever happened?

AYABA OLORI said that TUBERCULOSIS JOSHUA committed Adultery worth his Diaciple's Wife, having URIAH'D him somewhere. He said that he aborted the baby before the man reunited with his wife.

But he has not shown us any EVIDENCE.

Should we believe him, anyway?

You go ahead pastor Bronchitis, I will tell the people of Idanre and the Federal Government Civil Service that I lied and that you are a honest and highly intelligent chap. Cherio !!

SHALOM!

PastorAIO:



Who told this monkey that any Magi came to bow down to baby Jesus?
Which verse of the bible said magi bowed to Jesus. And if it is not from the bible then which other dubious source did you conjure this misinformation from.

Be careful of falsely accusing people, when talking about things that you are not familiar with.


. MATTHEW 2:1-23.

NOW when Jesus was born
in Bethlehem of Judaea
in the days of Herod the king,
behold, there came wise men
from the East to Jerusalem,
2. Saying,

"Where is he that is born
King of the Jews?
For we have seen his star
in the East,
and are come to worship him."

3. When Herod the king
had heard these things,
he was troubled,
and all Jerusalem with him.
4. And when he had gathered
all the Chief Priests
and scribes of the people together,
he demanded of them
where Christ should be born.
5. And they said unto him,

"In Bethlehem of Judaea:
for thus it is written
by the Prophet,

6. 'AND THOU BETHLEHEM,
IN THE LAND OF JUDA,
ART NOT THE LEAST
AMONG THE PRINCES
OF JUDA:
FOR OUT OF THEE
SHALL COME A GOVERNOR,
THAT SHALL RULE
MY PEOPLE ISRAEL.' "

7. Then Herod,
when he had privily
called the wise men,
enquired of them diligently
what time the star appeared.
8. And he sent them to Bethlehem,
and said,

"Go and search diligently
for the young child;
and when ye have found him,
bring me word again,
that I may come
and worship him also."

9. When they had heard the king,
they departed;
and, lo, the star,
which they saw in the East,
went before them,
till it came and stood over
where the young child was.
10. When they saw the star,
they rejoiced
with exceeding great joy.
11. And when they were come
into the house,
they saw the young child
with Mary his mother,
and fell down,
and worshipped him:
and when they had opened
their treasures,
they presented unto him gifts;
gold, and frankincense,
and myrrh.
12. And being warned of God
in a Dream
that they should not
return to Herod,
they departed
into their own country
another way.
13. And when they were departed,
behold, the Angel of The LORD
appeareth to Joseph in a Dream,
Saying,

"Arise, and take
the young child
and his mother,
and flee into Egypt,
and be thou there
until I bring thee word:
for Herod will seek
the young child
to destroy him."

14 When he arose,
he took the young child
and his mother by night,
and departed into Egypt:
15. And was there
until the death of Herod:
that it might be fulfilled
which was spoken of the Lord
by the Prophet,
saying,

"OUT OF EGYPT
HAVE I CALLED
MY SON."

16. Then Herod,
when he saw
that he was mocked
of the wise men,
was exceeding wroth,
and sent forth,
and slew all the children
that were in Bethlehem,
and in all the coasts thereof,
from two years old and under,
according to the time
which he had diligently
enquired of the wise men.
17. Then was fulfilled that
which was Spoken
by Jeremy the Prophet,
Saying,

18. "IN RAMA WAS THERE
A VOICE HEARD,
LAMENTATION AND WEEPING,
AND GREAT MOURNING,
RACHEL WEEPING FOR HER CHILDREN,
AND WOULD NOT BE COMFORTED,
BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT."

19. But when Herod was dead,
behold, an Angel of The LORD
appeareth in a Dream to Joseph
in Egypt,
20. Saying,

"Arise, and take
the young child
and his mother,
and go into
the land of Israel:
for they are dead
which sought
the young child's life."

21. And he arose,
and took the young child
and his mother,
and came into
the land of Israel.
22. But when he heard
that Archelaus did reign
in Judaea
in the room
of his father Herod,
he was afraid to go thither:
notwithstanding,
being warned of God in a Dream,
he turned aside
into the parts of Galilee:
23. And he came and dwelt
in a city called Nazareth:
that it might be fulfilled
which was Spoken
by the Prophets,

"HE SHALL BE CALLED
A NAZARENE."

A common falsehood, widely believed, being propagated by The Roman Catholic Church and her Followers, such as the Anglican Church, is that the MAGI (WISE MEN,) were present at the birth of Yahshua.

They missed that by some two years, so that by the time they finally found him, the baby Lord Yahshua was living in a HOUSE, not an ANIMAL PEN!

If the MAGI had been AT JERUSALEM by the time of his birth, they would have been TOO LATE to meet him in the Manger.

This proves that the Oyinbo Christians DID NOT FREELY READ THE BIBLE, but only read what they were ALLOWED to read.

Therefore, they could do VERY WICKED THINGS- like WAR, SLAVERY, and COLONIZATION- and STILL think they were "CHRISTIANS!"

SHALOM!

Sarassin:


Revelations 2:28 " I will give him the morning star..."

That the Magi came to pay obeisance to the Christ child is neither here nor there. The history of the world is littered with the myths of demi-gods who received obeisance from supplicants at birth. Apollonius of Tyana springs to mind.

I am not familiar with APOLLINOUS OF TYANA.

Was he a person of any significance?

During his NAGUALISM Apprenticeship, his instructors, Dons JUAN MATUS and GENARO FLORES showed CARLOS CASTANEDA how to SCAN THE ENTIRE EARTH to DETECT and EVALUATE Spiritual Activity.

The purpose of this exercise- they looked in on CHURCHES, TEMPLES, SCHOOLS and LONE SOLOISTS, or whatever- was to PROVE to Carlos Castaneda that there was NO ONE ELSE ON EARTH at THEIR Level of Spirituality.

This explains how GOD HOLDS EVERY RACE ACCOUNTABLE for NOT being aware of the Lord Yahshua's Existence.

They COULD have known, and SHOULD have known, if they had had ONE MINYAN in their countries.

.      MATTHEW 12:41-45.

41. "The men of Nineveh
shall rise in Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall condemn It:
because they repented
at the preaching of Jonas;
and, behold,
a greater than Jonas
is here.
42. "The queen of the South
shall rise up in The Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall condemn It:
for she came
from the uttermost parts
of the Earth to hear
the Wisdom of Solomon;
and, behold,
a greater than Solomon
is here.
43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,

'I WILL RETURN
INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE
I CAME OUT;'

and when he is come,
he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he,
and taketh with himself
seven other spirits
more wicked than himself,
and they enter in
and dwell there:
and the last state of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."

Then what is it about? Christ said,

"CHRIST?"

WHO IS THAT?

There was a "CHRIST?"

You believe that?

. MATTHEW 16:13-20.

13. When Jesus came
into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi,
he asked his Disciples,
Saying,

"Whom do men say
that I the Son of Man am?"

14. And they said,

"Some (say that thou art)
John the Baptist:
some Elias;
and others, Jeremias,
or one of the Prophets."

15. He saith unto them,

"But whom say ye that I am?"

16. And Simon Peter answered
and said,

"Thou art The Christ,
The Son of The Living God."

17. And Jesus answered
and Said unto him,

"Blessed art thou,
Simon bar Jona:
for flesh and blood
hath not revealed (It) unto thee,
but my Father
Which is in Heaven.
18. "And I say also into thee,

'THAT THOU ART PETER,
AND UPON THIS ROCK
I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH,
AND THE GATES OF HELL
SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.
19. 'AND I WILL GIVE UNTO THEE
THE KEYS OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN:
AND  WHATSOEVER THOU SHALT
BIND ON EARTH
SHALL BE BOUND IN HEAVEN:
AND WHATSOEVER THOU SHALT
LOOSE ON EARTH
SHALL BE LOOSED IN HEAVEN.' "


20. Then charged he his Disciples
that they should tell no man
that he was Jesus The Christ.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT YAHSHUA IS THE CHRIST, BECAUSE YOU READ IT IN THE BIBLE?

Or is it because SOMEONE PREACHED it to you?

If so, THAT BELIEF IS MEANINGLESS!

Only the REVELATION DIRECTLY FROM GOD has any VALUE.

. MATTHEW 25:3-5.

3. And as he sat upon
the Mount of Olives,
the Disciples came unto him
privately,
saying,

"Tell us,
when shall these things be?
And what (shall be)
The Sign of thy Coming,
and of The End of The World?"

4. And Jesus answered
and said unto them,

"Take heed that no man deceive you.
5. "For many shall come
in my Name saying,
I am Christ;
and shall deceive many."

THE ORIGINAL BIBLE MANUSCRIPTS had NO punctuation whatsoever. Therefore, it was up to the discretion of the TRANSLATORS to DECIDE whether Yahshua said that many would come in his Name, saying that:

(1) THEY were Christ.

(2) YAHSHUA was Christ.

IF YOU REALLY BELIEVED THE LORD YAHSHUA WAS THE CHRIST, YOU WOULD OBEY HIM.

. MATTHEW 28:16-20.

16. Then the eleven Disciples
went away into Galilee,
into a mountain where Jesus
had appointed them.
17. And when they saw him,
they worshipped him:
but some doubted.
18. And Jesus came
and spake unto them,
saying,

"All Power is given unto me
in Heaven and in Earth.
19. "Go ye therefore,
and teach all nations,
baptizing them
in The Name of The Father,
and of The Son,
and of The Holy Ghost:
20. "Teaching them
to observe all things
whatsoever I have Commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you alway,
even unto The End of the World."
Amen.

Then what is it about? Christ said, 'Love your neighbour as yourself', 'do unto others as you would be done by' and 'God is Love' What more could possibly be added to those words?. Everything else is man's folly.

That is DECEPTION, right there!

You just called THE LAW OF MOSES and THE GOSPEL of YAHSHUA "MAN'S FOLLY."

Which is BLASPHEMY.

. MARK 12:28-34.

28. And one of the scribes came,
and having heard them reasoning together,
and perceiving that he had answered them well,
asked him,

“Which is The First Commandment of all?”

29. And Jesus answered him,

“The First of all The Commandments is,

‘HEAR, O ISRAEL; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD:
30. ‘AND THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD
WITH ALL THY HEART, AND WITH ALL THY SOUL,
AND WITH ALL THY MIND, AND WITH ALL THY STRENGTH:’

this is The First Commandment.
31. “And The Second is like, namely this,

‘THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF.’

There is none other Commandment greater than these.”

32. And the scribe said unto him,

“Well, Master,
thou hast said The Truth:
for there is one God;
and there is none other but He:
33. “And to love Him with all the Heart,
and with all the Understanding,
and with all the Soul,
and with all the Strength,
and to love his Neighbour as himself,
is more than all
whole Burnt Offerings and Sacrifices.”

34. And when Jesus saw
that he answered discreetly,
he said unto him,

“Thou art not far
from The Kingdom of God.”

And no man after that durst ask him any question.

ANYBODY WHO KNOWS THE GOSPEL IN ANY DEPTH KNOWS THAT STORY.

YOU cannot say you didn't know it.

Therefore you were deliberately trying to DECEIVE us in HIDING the TRUTH that there is a GREATER COMMANDMENT than "LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF."

There are 612 Commandments beside that one. "LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF" does not express all of them.

. LUKE 10:17-37.

17. And the seventy
returned again with joy,
saying,

"Lord, even the Devils
are subject unto us
through thy Name."

18. And he said unto them,

"I beheld Satan as lightning
fall from Heaven.
19. "Behold, I give unto you
Power to tread
on Serpents and Scorpions, and over all
The Power of the Enemy:
and Nothing
shall by Any Means
hurt you.
20. "Notwithstanding in this
rejoice not,
that the spirits
are subject unto you;
but rather rejoice,
because your Names
are written in Heaven."

21. In that hour
Jesus rejoiced in spirit,
and Said,

"I thank thee,
O Father,
Lord of Heaven and Earth,
that Thou hast hid
these Things
from the Wise and Prudent,
and hast revealed them
unto Babes:
even so, Father;
for so it seemed Good
in Thy Sight.
22. "All Things
are delivered to me
of my Father:
and no man knoweth
who The Son is,
but The Father;
and who The Father is,
but The Son,
and he to whom
The Son will reveal Him."

23. And he turned him
unto his Disciples,
and said privately,

"Blessed are the eyes
which see the Things
that ye see:
24. "For I tell you,

'THAT MANY PROPHETS AND KINGS
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.' "

25. And, behold, a certain lawyer
stood up,
and tempted him,
saying,

"Master, what shall I do
to inherit Eternal Life?"

26. He Said unto him,
"What is written in The Law?
How readest thou?"

27. And he answering said,

" 'THOU SHALT LOVE
THE LORD THY GOD
WITH ALL THY HEART,
AND WITH ALL THY SOUL,
AND WITH ALL THY STRENGTH,
AND WITH ALL THY MIND;
AND THY NEIGHBOUR
AS THYSELF.' "

28. And he Said unto him,

"Thou hast answered right:
this do,
and thou shalt live."

29. But he,
willing to justify himself,
said unto Jesus,

"And who is my Neighbour?"

30. And Jesus answering Said,

"A certain man
went down from
Jerusalem to Jericho,
and fell among thieves,
which stripped him
of his raiment,
and wounded him,
and departed,
leaving him half dead.
31. "And by chance
there came down
a certain Priest that way:
and when he saw him,
he passed by on the other side.
32. "And likewise a Levite,
when he was at the place,
came and looked on him,
and passed by
on the other side.
33. "But a certain Samaritan,
as he journeyed,
came where he was:
and when he saw him,
he had Compassion on him,
34. "And went to him,
and bound up his wounds,
pouring in oil and wine,
and set him
on his own beast,
and brought him to an inn,
and took care of him.
35. "And on the morrow
when he departed,
he took out two pence,
and gave them to the host,
and said unto him,

'TAKE CARE OF HIM;
AND WHATSOEVER
THOU SPENDEST MORE,
WHEN I COME AGAIN,
I WILL REPAY THEE.'

36. "Which now of these three,
thinkest thou,
was Neighbour unto him
that fell among the thieves?"

37. And he said,
"He that shewed Mercy on him."

Then said Jesus unto him,
"Go, and do thou likewise."

WHO DEFINES WHAT "LOVE" AND "NEIGHBOUR" MEAN?

Is it YOU?

When the MAD OYINBO CHRISTIANS went around the World, their definitions of "LOVE" and "NEIGHBOUR" meant that they DIDN'T feel need to love ANYBODY!

. 1^st JOHN 5:1-5.

WHOSOEVER believeth
that JESUS IS THE CHRIST
is Born of God:
and every one that loveth
Him that begat loveth him also
that is begotten of him.
2. By this we know
that we love
The Children of God,

"WHEN WE LOVE GOD,
AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS."

3. For THIS is The Love of God,

"THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS:"

and His Commandments
are not grievous.
4. For whosoever is Born of God
overcometh the World:
and THIS is The Victory
that overcometh the World,

"(EVEN) OUR FAITH."

5. Who is he that overcometh the World,
but he that believeth
that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD?

The term "LOVE" is often used to deliberately deceive shallow Bible Users: the New Testament Greek language has TWELVE different words the OYINBOS deceitfully translated "LOVE;" ELEVEN are used in THE NEW TESTAMENT.

DECEIVERS pretend not to know that the ONE that THEY pretend THE BIBLE uses- the one UNBELIEVERS BELIEVE IN- is THE ONLY ONE not in The New Testament.

I wrote a special Post to clear that up. Those who read it are pretending not to have.

oaroloye:

That is DECEPTION, right there!

You just called THE LAW OF MOSES and THE GOSPEL of YAHSHUA "MAN'S FOLLY."

Which is BLASPHEMY.

What a pompous windbag, it seems you are off your medication again!

So you spunked your incoherent diatribe as a pretext to accuse me of blasphemy, deception and whatever else that you somehow perceived through the vacuous cavity that unfortunately passes for your brain. Where have you read that I am an adherent of the gibberish you peddle? Yahshua this, Hubbard that all day long!. Here's a bit of free advice for you, do us all a favour take your sanctimonious biblical cum nagualistic bollox and stick it up your jacksie.

I would say a word is enough for the wise but in your case one suspects that would be laughable. I can assure you that if you ever quote me again directly or even indirectly, by the time I will be done with you even your madness will run away from you decrepit old codger.

Sarassin, there is something in that post causing the hiding and ban
When the post is mentioned, it triggers hiding the post and banning the poster
After your ban expires, just post your response without doing a mentioning of the post
else you get the same treatment all over again

---

---

Sarassin
1 . The nice, quite sweet and knowledgeable guy
2 . The funny, crazy and great sense of humour guy.
3 . The until you piss him off you never want to see, until he's done with you side guy

Sarassin:


What a pompous windbag, it seems you are off your medication again!

So you spunked your incoherent diatribe as a pretext to accuse me of blasphemy, deception and whatever else that you somehow perceived through the vacuous cavity that unfortunately passes for your brain. Where have you read that I am an adherent of the gibberish you peddle? Yahshua this, Hubbard that all day long!. Here's a bit of free advice for you, do us all a favour take your sanctimonious biblical cum nagualistic bollox and stick it up your jacksie.

I would say a word is enough for the wise but in your case one suspects that would be laughable. I can assure you that if you ever quote me again directly or even indirectly, by the time I will be done with you even your madness will run away from you decrepit old codger.

Sarassin:


Revelations 2:28 " I will give him the morning star..."

That the Magi came to pay obeisance to the Christ child is neither here nor there. The history of the world is littered with the myths of demi-gods who received obeisance from supplicants at birth. Apollonius of Tyana springs to mind.

Then what is it about? Christ said, 'Love your neighbour as yourself', 'do unto others as you would be done by' and 'God is Love' What more could possibly be added to those words?. Everything else is man's folly.

Is that YOUR Folly, then?

Armchair Philosophers wax so poetical about "LOVE," until someone shows up they should use it on.

Then we see whether they have Foundations of Rock that cannot be removed, or Foundations of Sand- easily blown away.

NAGUALISM Teaches that catering to people we do not like, in the Physical Realm (pinches tiranotos- the Petty Tyrant,) is Basic Training for navigating the Spiritual Realm.

That is, at this rate, if you enter into a Spiritual Encounter, and something like ME can make your gaskets blow, you can just get yourself destroyed out-of-hand.

Sarassin:


What a pompous windbag, it seems you are off your medication again!

So you spunked your incoherent diatribe as a pretext to accuse me of blasphemy, deception and whatever else that you somehow perceived through the vacuous cavity that unfortunately passes for your brain. Where have you read that I am an adherent of the gibberish you peddle? Yahshua this, Hubbard that all day long!. Here's a bit of free advice for you, do us all a favour take your sanctimonious biblical cum nagualistic bollox and stick it up your jacksie.

I would say a word is enough for the wise but in your case one suspects that would be laughable. I can assure you that if you ever quote me again directly or even indirectly, by the time I will be done with you even your madness will run away from you decrepit old codger.

I can very well tell that he pushed you to the wall for I have never seen you get angry this much. Pardon the old man sir.

Rilwayne001:
I can very well tell that he pushed you to the wall for I have never seen you get angry this much. Pardon the old man sir.

ANYBODY can become angry, that is easy;
but to be angry with the right person,
and to the right degree, and at the right time,
and for the right purpose, and in the right way,
that, is not within everybody’s power, that is not easy.
- Aristotle
Greek philosopher and polymath

Philosophers have long thought about the causes of anger,
their consensus, is, usually, it's an emotional response to being provoked
Sarassin never alluded to being a saint, so I am not surprised he has a threshold

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



Be careful of falsely accusing people, when talking about things that you are not familiar with.



"

Oga, you sef abeg try to take some of your own advice.

This issue has a history long before this thread.

Now frankly I was not directly aware of translations that used the word Magi. My kjv says 'wise men'.
And indeed the Greek word ''magoi ' is used to mean a wise man or an astrologer or a magician even. In the book of Daniel, daniel is called the leader of the Magi in Babylon. Most translations would say the leader of the wise men. No one presumes that Daniel was a Zoroastrian.

However I am aware of a creepy move to try to appropriate the dignity of Persian religion which was held in high regard. It is such a move that would lead someone to translate that word as Magi knowing thy the Magi are the priesthood of Avestan Religion.

The person I was actually addressing has already attempted to make such a move in a previous thread. Without knowledge of that you would have no idea of the context of the exchange or even of what is really being discussed.

This creepy attempt to legitimise Christianity by hitching it onto Zoroastrianism is a long historical thing. There was even a gospel written called the Syriac Infancy Gospel which claimed that Zoroaster the founder of Zoroastrianism prophecied jesus' coming and that was why the 3 wise men went in search of the king of the Jews.


ps. And please sir, it is not everything that someone is interested in that everyone else will want to share interest too. On many occasions I've tried to start conversations that no one responded to. I even started threads that didn't go beyond the OP. It is important to respect that. All these your extended verbosity that is so dire and tiresome is nothing short of an act of violence on, and wilful pollution of, this space we all share for the exchange of ideas even if we don't agree with each other most of the time.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!
Be careful of falsely accusing people, when talking about things that you are not familiar with.

PastorAIO:
Oga, you sef abeg try to take some of your own advice.
This issue has a history long before this thread

How can anyone forget that thread
Brilliant thread not to forget in a hurry
Being meaning to give it a re-visit asap

PastorAIO:
Now frankly I was not directly aware of translations that used the word Magi. My kjv says 'wise men'

That, right there, is the clue.
The rule of thumb, is to always check, double check and cross check with each and all available translations out there, augmented with other credible and reliable great literary resources
and not be relying or depending on just one translation

PastorAIO:
And indeed the Greek word ''magoi ' is used to mean a wise man or an astrologer or a magician even.
In the book of Daniel, Daniel is called the leader of the Magi in Babylon.
Most translations would say the leader of the wise men.
No one presumes that Daniel was a Zoroastrian.

and rightly so, as no one presumes Daniel to be a Zoroastrian
Daniel is a Magi and not a Zoroastrian

PastorAIO:
However I am aware of a creepy move to try to appropriate the dignity of Persian religion which was held in high regard

There isnt anything creepy in appropriating or trying to appropriate any or whatever religion, considering that, the adherents of the religion(s) accepts, admits the existence of Jesus and truth of about Him.

PastorAIO:
It is such a move that would lead someone to translate that word as Magi knowing that the Magi are the priesthood of Avestan Religion

Avestan Religion? Isnt that a Freudian slip?
Why be vague, which Avestan Religion are you referring to?
Isn't Avestan a language originating from Persia?

PastorAIO:
The person I was actually addressing has already attempted to make such a move in a previous thread. Without knowledge of that you would have no idea of the context of the exchange or even of what is really being discussed

The person you actually was addressing and Sarassin suffer each other gladly.
This is why both, air their divergent interpretations without rancour

Now, the person you actually was addressing didnt make such move in any previous thread.
Part of what I recall the person said, is that there's nothing wrong in ''borrowing'' and/or ''importing''
Also made another point, that the irony is that, the Magi must be privy to some sacred truth & knowledge for them to have journeyed and come to Bethlehem to worship God

The last sentence, that the Magi must be privy to some sacred truth & knowledge, is true because Daniel served in at least two Kings', Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus; courts.
You seem to know this, as you've already accepted, by stating that, in the Book of Daniel, Daniel is called the leader of the Magi in Babylon
The Magi's source is strongly and likely from Daniel's sacred truth books & knowledge writings
and remotely from another's prophet; Balaam's Numbers 24:16-17 prophecy

PastorAIO:
This creepy attempt to legitimise Christianity by hitching it onto Zoroastrianism is a long historical thing

Creepy attempt to legitimise Christianity?
Besides, the truth that christian (i.e. precursor to Christianity) is a contemptuous term, as good as the word, nigger, is,
why would anyone with the right sense be interested in re-legitimising a Roman invention state religion Christianity?
Also, no attempt or need to hitch Christianity onto Zoroastrianism
because fyi, the life of the chap, prophet Zarathushtra, known to the Greeks as Zoroaster, is based heavily on the life of Daniel.
What is Zoroastrianism named after sef?

PastorAIO:
There was even a gospel written called the Syriac Infancy Gospel which claimed that Zoroaster the founder of Zoroastrianism prophecied Jesus' coming and that was why the 3 wise men went in search of the king of the Jews.

The need for the Syriac Infancy Gospel is unneccesary because that prophecy was, in the Old Testament and was actually made by Daniel
Recall from above, that, the character Zoroaster is based heavily on the life of Daniel

PastorAIO:
ps. And please sir, it is not everything that someone is interested in that everyone else will want to share interest too.
On many occasions I've tried to start conversations that no one responded to.
I even started threads that didn't go beyond the OP. It is important to respect that

He does make some noticeable and interesting points
but really needs to be tidying up his posts and/or improve his posting skills

PastorAIO:
All these your extended verbosity that is so dire and tiresome is nothing short of an act of violence on, and wilful pollution of, this space we all share for the exchange of ideas even if we don't agree with each other most of the time.

He isnt guilty of extended verbosity at all
but rather is guilty of the misuse and abuse of carriage returns
Allowing next words, typed in his sentences, appearing dropped down on new lines, done unchecked or uncontrolled
is causing the passive white spaces expanse on the right hand-side margin
and contributing to the post becoming excessive in size or amount
It's not only torture to read but its painful, extensively scrolling down wasteful spaces on the right, to read post appearing on a left side margin only

MuttleyLaff:
[i][font=arial narrow]Sarassin never alluded to being a saint, so I am not surprised he has a threshold

I would say way more than that.

It is only in religious people's psyche, that strongly reacting is equated to being unholy. There is nothing wrong with using strong words or even being angry when justified. Even in the Bible, there are references to Jesus being seriously angry and having to perform acts of such nature.

I have made acquaintance with Sarassin for some years now, and it is not surprising to me that although he is a very kind hearted and polite, when you look for trouble, he puts you in check with full sense of meaning. The above individual is not the first one, even in this forum who had to be "put in check" by him.

LoJ:
I would say way more than that.

It is only in religious people's psyche, that strongly reacting is equated to being unholy.
There is nothing wrong with using strong words or even being angry when justified.
Even in the Bible, there are references to Jesus being seriously angry and having to perform acts of such nature.

I have made acquaintance with Sarassin for some years now,
and it is not surprising to me that although he is a very kind hearted and polite, when you look for trouble,
he puts you in check with full sense of meaning.
The above individual is not the first one, even in this forum who had to be "put in check" by him.

That is why, above, I quoted Aristotle, the Greek philosopher and polymath

Sarassin
1 . The nice, quite sweet and knowledgeable guy
2 . The funny, crazy and great sense of humour guy.
3 . The until you pi$$ him off you never want to see, until he's done with you side guy

The 3 sides of Sarassin
People only see the #1 and #2 sides of him
They hardly have seen the #3 side
but it doesnt mean the #3 side about him doesnt exist,
if anyone thinks so, such is totally misled

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!



I never said I didn't want the people of Idanre to think me stupid. They already told me I was stupid for adhering to The Gospel, as a BORN AGAIN PENTECOSTAL Christian, in degiance of Anglicsn Tradition, despite my father their king terminating my University Education because of it.

First of all, WHO ARE YOU? What are your QUALIFICATIONS for saying all this?

When was L. Ron Hubbard ever sentenced to 4
years imprisonment? Which Court? For what crime?
Why don't you SAY?

As for L. RON HUBBARD writing DIANETICS: THE MODERN SCIENCE OF MENTAL HEALTH at his kitchen table, like your RICHARD due MILLE Accusations (why don't you mention that he was a CO-FOUNDER of SCIENTOLOGY, along with PAUL TWITCHELL, the founder of ECKANKAR?) that is CONSISTENT with how DIANETICS works.

(I only read that book less than twice, .....

@ pastor Bronchitis

As the Prince of Idanre and next In line as King, you should pull yourself right and prove to your future subjects that you are able to discern fact from fiction. A bad leader will choose to trap his subjects with SPIRITUAL FICTION such as CRIMINAL SCIENTOLOGY and FICTIONAL NAGUALISM to make it easy to oppress and maintain power over them.

Please stop asking for proofs over and over again, you know your god is a convicted criminal and that he is a well known novelist of hundreds of fiction novels. He used one of his fiction novels DIANETICS to serve as the BIBLE of Scientology with completely false claims of healings and other crap.

The fraudster and founder of The Church Of Scientology was finally convicted:
After a seven-year public inquiry and a lengthy trial, the Paris Tribunal found four top Scientologists, including the prophet of Criminal Scientology L.Ron Hubbard and his loving wife, guilty of making fraudulent claims that physical cures and professional success could be achieved through Scientology. Hubbard, who did not attend the trial, and had already cowardly fled the country, was sentenced to four years imprisonment.

At this crucial juncture, you are unfit to lead people that desperately need TRUTH to free and empower themselves. With you as their king RAPE VICTIMS will be imprisoned instead of the rapist.

You blame the the king for your failure to complete your tertiary education, which shows that you are looking for an easy way to gain power. Look around you and learn from poor people that have obtained their PhD.
I wish you all the best.