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Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 4:51pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
LaudableXX: Do you know how many Ugbos are in today's Igbo Land? We have Ugbokko Araba (sounds like Idi Araba, right?), Onicha (Orissa) Ugbo, Ugboba in the Olukumi speaking epicenter and counting. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by FisifunKododada: 4:52pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
The sky is blue...Olukunmis originate from Yorubas...you can debate from now till eternity...facts are facts. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 4:55pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
FisifunKododada:Lol. In Frank Edoho's voice, "Is that your final answer?" 1 Like |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by LaudableXX: 4:56pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
igbodefender: Oga, keep your false claims to yourself, please! You sound more ridiculous by the minute! 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 4:58pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
LaudableXX:But these towns exist. Just pless Google search for ya fone. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by LaudableXX: 5:01pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
FisifunKododada: Please see this excerpt from one of the community associations of Ugbodu, which is located in the diaspora. At least, these people should know their historical origins and their language, not so? And this article was written by an Olukumi indigene, who bears an Igbo name, yet acknowledges that their origin and language is from a Yoruba town. Wonders shall never cease! UDU UK 9 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by LaudableXX: 5:14pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
igbodefender: 4 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Ritchiee: 5:18pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
LaudableXX:Thanks jare. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Ritchiee: 5:22pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
igbodefender: Okay,I am sorry.What is the name of the book and its author or you have a link to the book? |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 5:33pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Ritchiee:I think I posted it some pages ago on this thread. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 5:38pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
[quote author=LaudableXX post=65946747][/quote] Something tells me this might be a hurriedly edited Wikipedia article. We are aware that anyone can edit Wikipedia. Having said that, I will study it with an open mind and get back to you. Thanks. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by FisifunKododada: 6:20pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
LaudableXX: Laudate - don't mind them. They also know the facts but their bigotry will not allow them to stomach the reality of a Yoruba community smack right centered in the heart of Anioma. The issue is not the history - that is settled. The issue is their hatred for Yoruba and overall bigotry. 7 Likes |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Ritchiee: 6:48pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
igbodefender:Go through your posts.Post it again,sir. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Ritchiee: 6:52pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
igbodefender: You can edit Wikipedia but the references are there.Open them.If they are a ruse,then it is balderdash. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by 9jakool: 11:09pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
GworoChewinMaga: I just crossed out an obvious lie. This is not about dragging tribe lol, yet you are so desperate to invent some lies to prove a victimhood that only exist in your Muslim hating brain. I mean I haven't heard of Hausa people come out on this thread to say that they invented the word Yoruba as a mockery. However, it's the Igbos who have become loud spokesmen for Hausas, when the Hausas themselves have said literally nothing. What Arab muslim description are you talking about? I am confused. Was Yoruba invented by the Fulanis or the Hausas or the Arabs, because you seem to be mixing those three groups together? Lol I'll leave it to Igbos to narrate the history of Yoruba people. Nonsense! The funny thing is that most popularized derogatory term in Nigeria that I know of, "nyamiri" was specially drafted by Hausas to mock you people. Maybe you should focus more on changing this perception and less on how Yoruba people got their name. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Truthcat: 8:26am On Mar 19, 2018 |
I didn't know you have all that. I hope we stop fighting too, because the winner in all of this are fulani. igbodefender: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 8:46am On Mar 19, 2018 |
Truthcat: I truly wish in my heart that Igbo and Yoruba can truly become real friends like the British and the French. They don't need to merge. Two Great Black Cultures StandingSiide By Side, complementing each other. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Truthcat: 9:02am On Mar 19, 2018 |
Amen to that! igbodefender: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by PFRB: 11:59am On Mar 19, 2018 |
If we say that the Olukumi are Yoruba, then we must answer the question as to why their towns bear Igbo names and their king bears Igbo title. We also must answer the question as to why the themselves bear Igbo names. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Konquest: 12:46am On Mar 21, 2018 |
LaudableXX:^^^^^ ^^^^^ @LaudableXX I'm just seeing your post because I've been off NL for sometime. That guy you replied in your post isn't making sense just as you said. I recall reading about Ugbodu in Aniocha North in the online version of The Nation over 7 years ago and the traditional ruler of Ugbodu who is known as HRH Oloza Ayo Isinyemeze said his people were the first to arrive in that community centuries back when they left Benin and moved to Esan territory. He said they are originally of Yoruba ancestry! There was a time they even took up some Esan/Edoid names in addition to their Yoruba names. All the members of the Royal Family in Ugbodu had Yoruba names. "Oloza" is a derivative of the Yoruba word Oloja, a chieftaincy title for a market leader/leader of traders. Odogwu is not the title used in Ugbodu. It used to be Obi of Ugbodu but it was replaced with the title Oloza. Onicha Ugbo is also located in Aniocha North like the Olukunmis and they are very close in terms of location. Dr. Ibe Kachiku is from Onicha Ugbo and he is the Odogwu of Onicha Ugbo. From what I read about Onicha Ugbo, they have Edo and Nri immigration or ancestry as well, with Bini aristocratic titles. I read that "Odogwu" is a derivative of the Benin word "Odogun" which means "head of warriors" which kind of sounds like Olori Ogun [head of warriors] in Yoruba... since "Ogun" means WAR in Yoruba. Nduka Ugbade, the iconic captain of the 1985 Under-16 Worldcup winning team is an Olukunmi from Ugbodu. A former Miss Nigeria who is now late is also from Ugbodu among several prominent indigenes. The Ibo influence is as a result of relatively recent acculturation in the Aniocha/Delta North axis. The traditional ruler said this is the reason they are giving their children Yoruba names and also encouraging Yoruba/Olukunmi language contests in the article that I read online. I read a research by 2 lecturers from Delta State Univ in Ekpoma [one of who has the surname of Mordi] that most communities in Delta North were founded by people from different ethnic groups... from Benin, Esan, Yoruba [Olukunmis], Igalas, Nri migrants,etc. In the PDF documents which you can still download via Google, the research shows that each town in Delta North knows its history. [You can use the search terms: "Origin of Anioma People of Delta North"]. Most of the communities in Delta North were founded by migrants from Benin. A massive DNA test would prove these FACTS in the final analysis. The people of Delta North respect one another's history...it is some of the ill-informed outsiders from across the east of river Niger that go about saying that entire Delta North is of pure Ibo origin... which is false! One of the ill-informed boys from the S/E posted a FALSE post on one other Website were the charlatan said Olukunmis were "slaves" who were captured by core Ibos which is a pure lie as Olukunmis were NEVER enslave by anybody in Delta North. Olukunmi war commanders from Eko Efun Town [Eko Efun or "white chalk" in Yoruba, also known as Ukwu Nzu town were also actively involved in the Ekumeku war against the BritishBritish invasion of Delta North. ANIOMA is a relatively new acronym that was coined by the Asaba-born 1st Republic politician, Chief Osita Osadebe around the early 1970s. Cc: Olu317 Check the links and download them. http://www.eajournals.org/wp-content/uploads/The-Benin-Factor-In-The-West-Niger-Igbo-History-The-Example-Of-Ubulu-Ukwu.pdf http://krepublishers.com/02-Journals/T%20&%20T/T%20&%20T-07-0-000-09-Web/T%20&%20T-07-1-000-09-Abst-PDF/T&T-07-1-047-09-186-Mordi-E-N/T&T-07-1-047-09-186-Mordi-E-N-Tt.pdf 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by LaudableXX: 12:49am On Mar 21, 2018 |
Konquest: Thank you for your contributions. Very enlightening, indeed! 2 Likes |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Konquest: 1:28am On Mar 21, 2018 |
LaudableXX:^^^^^ ^^^^^ @LaudableXX My pleasure... anytime. 3 Likes |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Klinee: 4:12pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
Konquest:The traditional ruler of Ugbodu uses Odogwu title, Odogwu is purely Igbo and has nothing to do with Benin. Those things you read online dose not actually give the reality, an in-depth explanatory of people of Ugbodu. 'Okunzu' the real pronunciation means the depot of whitechalk in Igbo language. Am not arguing if they are Igbo or Yoruba but am sure that their language is not Igbo nor Yoruba but they speak Igbo. Truth their language is very similar to Yoruba but they answer Igbo name and do traditional Igbo culture. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by LaudableXX: 4:50pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
Klinee: Oga, the people who are indigenes of the place, say that their traditional ruler is an Oloza, not Odogwu. Even people who went to the town to conduct investigations, later discovered it is true, and published the results of what they discovered. And you are still here, arguing. Even their town's union in diaspora says that their language is Olukunmi which sounds a lot like Yoruba, despite the fact that they bear Igbo names. The reason for their Igbo names, is said to be due to the fact, that they are surrounded by Igbo neighbours. So they speak both Igbo and Olukunmi languages. Why do you find it so difficult to understand? Oya, argue with the person who comes from Ugbodu and published this part online. In fact, her name is Juanita Azubuike. Yet, she says the indigenous language in their place in Ugbodu is Olukunmi, which is a language related to Yoruba. UDU UK 1 Like |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by honeychild(f): 5:13pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
[quote author=Klinee post=659361 Secondly there is no sign of Yoruba culture in their land, their names is purely Igbo, their culture is purely Igbo. I remember visited the town Ugbodu taken a bike from Issele uku, en route Onisha uku down to Ugbodu. I recall visiting the Paramount ruler of Ugbodu town the Odogwu of Ugbodu. In 'Olukumi' father is refer as Bami, mother is refer to as Yami. If I say 'mu pure water wa' means 'bring pure water come' 'Bu iji rumi' cut firewood for me 'maa ko iji ru' you people should park firewood[/quote] Lol. And you are unaware that the bolded examples are pure Yoruba/ 2 Likes |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by gtown: 5:20pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
ojukwu stop acting like u know history. The name Yoruba was given by the Songhai scholar Ahmed baba in his book and was only popularized by Hausa to refer to people of oyo. Hausa did not sack Oyo Ile the nupe did and no oba of oyo was killed. I don’t know where ipob get their history facts maybe there is an alternative facts privy only to ipob that the rest of the world doesn’t know about.You wonder where they get their facts? They got them from hate. The nuclei in their DNA is infected with hate parasites. Everybody that read what the idiotic P.I.G wrote would know his intention and mind set. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Konquest: 2:45am On Mar 22, 2018 |
Ritchiee: |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by obaaderemi: 3:14am On Mar 22, 2018 |
dahomey were already known to yorubas already before the Songhai scholar Ahmed baba coined the name Yoruba and was popularized by Hausa not Fulani. Read history ojukwu read ignorance will not save u lol. Please show more pain on this thread regarding the great documented Yoruba history i love it. Am out of this threadAhmed Baba did not coin the name. He merely recorded it. 1 Like |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Bane2020: 3:41am On Mar 22, 2018 |
The desperation of these Yoruba vermins to attach themselves to anything with Igbo affiliation, even the so called Itsekiri they claim are offshoots of yoruba ancestry haven't identified themselves as Yorubas at any point in time,now they want to gazette their fangs into an Igbo subgroup... una feel say ranting online sure pass, let any useless Yoruba go tell the Olukunmi people they are Yorubas if dem born am well,your dirty yoruba a.s.s will be lynched .. those people have been totally absorbed and acculturated into the Igbo mainstream culture, and any trace of yoruba DNA residues in them are as negligibly low and extinct as it could get... Awon oloshi ... good thing the Olukunmi people are tucked away in Igbo dominated enclaves. 2 Likes |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by MightySparrow: 3:52am On Mar 22, 2018 |
ojukwu stop acting like u know history. The name Yoruba was given by the Songhai scholar Ahmed baba in his book and was only popularized by Hausa to refer to people of oyo. Hausa did not sack Oyo Ile the nupe did and no oba of oyo was killed. I don’t know where ipob get their history facts maybe there is an alternative facts privy only to ipob that the rest of the world doesn’t know about.Bro. you should not have answered the 'were'. This must one of on known descent from tribe of both Israel and Nigeria. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by MightySparrow: 4:06am On Mar 22, 2018 |
how is Oyoroba a mockery according to the osu lolIt was said that bishop Ajayi Crowther taught ibos how to read and write their language. The teeth given to them are now used to bite his race, there is God o. 1 Like |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by bigfrancis21: 3:15am On Mar 28, 2018 |
Klinee: You seem to be right. I was watching this recent video about a burial in Ugbodu. From the language of mass recital to the language of communication in Ugbodu, they all speak Igbo. However, some do speak Olukwumi as well, in addition to Igbo, but the reality from the video is quite different from what is portrayed online. I also noticed that at some points in the video, a few people spoke Olukwumi but not everyone responds and they all seem to respond in unison if speaking Igbo. Maybe some understand but are not fluent enough in speaking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3Ha4KCGBJk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb2UeqGgR6c If I may ask, how well do you understand Olukwumi? 2 Likes |
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