Maximus85:
Jesus didn't ask us to prophesy. Matthew 24:14 says " And this good news of the kingdom (of God) will be preached in all inhabited earth for a WITNESS to all the nations; and then the end will come.
Read 1 Timothy 4:1-5. Lets analyse verse 3 and 4 "for the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, 4. And will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths. Where do you belong? WE AS JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES TALK ABOUT THE PROPHESIES IN THE BIBLE AND WE PREACH ABOUT GOD'S NEW KINGDOM. THIS IS OUR WORK JUST AS JESUS DID WHEN HE WAS HERE ON EARTH AND HE COMMANDED US TO CONTINUE.

Nimshi: OLAADEGBU: It is apparent you have little experience in dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses.

Hint #1: By jumping from topic to topic, you offer the JW an easy way to muddle things up (I don't claim the JW would do this deliberately).

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OLAADEGBU:

Let's see John 1:3 so as to put verse 1 in proper perspective.

"All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made"

Here you can clearly see that God created and redeemed all things by Jesus Christ.

OLAADEGBU:

Let's see how your Watch Tower magazine responded to the question whether the Watchtower Society has claimed to be God's prophet.



Note the underlined sentences in the pdf. and see how it sharply contrasts with your position.

OLAADEGBU: Another kweshun sir:

What does the Watchtower Society's record show? Did the Society proclaim that 1914 would "end" world governments? I hope you are still there.

Nimshi: OLAADEGBU: It is apparent you have little experience in dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses.

Hint #1: By jumping from topic to topic, you offer the JW an easy way to muddle things up (I don't claim the JW would do this deliberately).

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OLAADEGBU:

This is why you need to understand and comprehend the doctrine of the Godhead.

http://www.dclm.org/AboutUs/WhatWeBelieve/TheGodHead/tabid/160/Default.aspx



Are you saying because Jesus said that the Father is "greater" than Him in (John 14:28), this must mean Jesus is a lesser God or a god?

Biblically speaking, Jesus is equal with the Father in His divine nature for He was God in human form. Jesus Christ confirmed this by saying:

"I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).

He was positionally lower than the Father from the standpoint of His becoming a servant by taking on human likeness (Philipians 2:6-11).

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient to death, even the death of the cross." (Philipians 2:6-8 ).

Positionally speaking, therefore, the Father was "greater" than Jesus.

Nimshi: Maximus85: I have asked eight questions above, and offered that you answer according to your own priority list of thise questions.

I am not surprised at your boast that you JWs are 'trained teachers'; when the same doctrine is drummed into faithfuls at several meetings every week, and the 'groupspeak' is elevated to real discussion, plus the illusion of an in-house school, it is easy to make JWs feel special. Of course, they go out to unsuspecting people, claiming to 'preach', yet, it is clear that everything you say must be sanctioned from a certain country (you know which). Your religion is dangerous, even though you may not know it. And I hint/warn you in advance that attempting to answer any four of the questions I have posed in detail will unmask your religion for what it is.

Someone up here asked why the hatred the JWs have for the Catholics; you responded with 'you need proof'; this is cheeky. Just type 'Catholic' into your WT CD, and find the relevant quotes. What is surprising is that the Jehovah's Witnesses are hypocrites of the worst kind in the matters in which they criticise the Catholic church the most: child abuse and idolatory.

OLAADEGBU: I thank you for your response to my post to you: my words were a bit harsh; but you show yourself a better fellow with your response. I apologise for the harsh words, and of course: I welcome the questions you're asking of this religious sect claiming to be the only true Christians.

Nimshi: Maximus85: it is quite brave of you to come up here to defend your religion.

I have some questions for you.

1) Why is 1914 very important to your religion? BECAUSE IT MARK THE END OF THE SEVEN TIMES. BEGINNING FROM 607 BCE. Google the year Babylon destroyed Jerusalem. http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm IN 1914 JESUS CHRIST BECAME KING AND HE SENT SATAN AND HIS ANGELS AWAY FROM HEAVEN DOWN TO THE EARTH.

2) What is the disposition of your religion to child abuse; 'child abuse' being the satinised expression for the (sexual) rape of children.

JESUS CHRIST ASKED US TO RESPECT THE LAW. ITS EVEN AGAINST THE COMMON LAW TO ABUSE CHILDREN, SEXUALLY OR DOMESTICALLY. AS A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST, WE SHOULD ACT IN HOLINESS AND LOVE.

3) What is the the disposition of your religion to the donation of human blood?

GOD TOLD NOAH CATEGORICALLY TO ABSTAIN FROM BLOOD. GENESIS 9:4,5. THIS IS A LAW OF GOD AND PUTTING ONES LIFE AHEAD OF GOD'S LAW IS FATAL. Read MARK 8:35,36.

4) Who is the founder of your religion?

JESUS CHRIST IS THE FOUNDER OF TRUE CHRISTIANITY. TRUE CHRISTIANS FOLLOW CHRIST STEP BY STEP WITH THE AID OF THE BIBLE. COLOSSIANS 1:18

5) Who are the current leaders of your religion?

WE DO NOT HAVE "LEADERS" WE HAVE JUST A LEADER WHO IS JESUS CHRIST. WE DO HAVE BROTHERS WHO ARE ORGANIZING THE AFFAIRS OF THE CONGREGATIONS. WE ARE ALL EQUAL BEFORE GOD AND CHRIST.
INFACT, NO SPECIAL SEATS IN OUR MEETINGS.

6) What is the belief of your religion regarding who will be saved at Armageddon?

JUST LIKE IN THE DAYS OF NOAH, JEHOVAH SAVED THOSE THAT HEED TO HIS COMMANDMENTS, THEREFORE, THOSE THAT RESPECTS GODS COMMANDMENTS, SERVING GOD WITH THEIR COMPLETE HEART WILL BE SAVED AT ARMAGEDDON.

7) Why do your leaders 'encourage' people who work in your missions not to have children?

ONCE AGAIN, WE DO NOT HAVE LEADERS. NOBODY IS ENCOURAGING FULL TIME MINISTERS NOT TO HAVE CHILDREN. ITS A PERSONAL DECISION. SO FAR IT WILL NOT SLOW THEM DOWN IN THEIR MINISTRY ASSIGNMENT.

8') On what dates has your religion predicted the end of the world?
THERE WAS A MISCONCEPTION IN 1925/75. EVEN THE HEAD OF THE CONGREGATION, JESUS THE SO OF GOD DOESN'T KNOW THE EXACT TIME, HOW CAN WE STATE A DATE? NOBODY KNOWS.

I have more questions, but I give you the liberty to start with any of the ones above, according to your own priority list (I inform you in advance that this latitude to start with what you think is important has a purpose; may your God, Jehovah, be with you as you answer these questions, and my his Holy Spirit assist you in good measure).

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MyJoe:
I think this is a brilliant handling of the matter.

MyJoe:
I was enjoying you till I read this. In fact, you almost fall my hand. Nothing in that wiki extract is unfounded. Not one. You will note it is well referenced. Please read it again and write a befitting response.

Maximus85:
Maybe i used a wrong Language. But the fact remains that nobody, i mean nobody, including Jesus Christ can tell of the time when the end will come. So how can we come out and post a date.
As for the references, for you to accept a reference, it will be justified to see the original article. I didn't choose to be a Jehovah's Witness overnight, i checked through and i was convinced. We based all our teachings on the Bible. There's no set date for the end of this system of things in the bible. You can visit our website www.jw.org and check our publication bank.

MyJoe: Another reasonable response. Just a little correction: it is the person disputing or rejecting a reference that does the checking and points out what is unfounded. Anyone reading that extract up there will accept the references as genuine if you don't do that.

OLAADEGBU:

I laugh in Greek.

Nimshi: Maximus85: it is quite brave of you to come up here to defend your religion.

I have some questions for you.

1) Why is 1914 very important to your religion?

2) What is the disposition of your religion to child abuse; 'child abuse' being the satinised expression for the (sexual) rape of children.

3) What is the the disposition of your religion to the donation of human blood?

4) Who is the founder of your religion?

5) Who are the current leaders of your religion?

6) What is the belief of your religion regarding who will be saved at Armageddon?

7) Why do your leaders 'encourage' people who work in your missions not to have children?

8') On what dates has your religion predicted the end of the world?

I have more questions, but I give you the liberty to start with any of the ones above, according to your own priority list (I inform you in advance that this latitude to start with what you think is important has a purpose; may your God, Jehovah, be with you as you answer these questions, and my his Holy Spirit assist you in good measure).

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OLAADEGBU:

Good question. If you notice, Jesus Christ at times speaks in His humanity and at other times in His divinity. Biblically and positionally if you know what I mean. His is both the Son of God and the Son of man, He can speak as both at different times.

OLAADEGBU:

Fair enough. Let me give you extracts from yor Awake magazine when it attempted to answer this question.

OLAADEGBU:

Let's see how your Watch Tower magazine responded to the question whether the Watchtower Society has claimed to be God's prophet.

"So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? …He had a "prophet" to warn them. This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian witnesses. …Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?" —The Watchtower, April 1, 1972, p. 197

http://4jehovah.org/images/stories/downloads/jehovahs_witness/prophecy/wt-4-1-1972-p197.pdf

Note the underlined sentences in the pdf. and see how it sharply contrasts with your position.

Maximus85:

John 10:30 potrays the oneness, union between God and Jesus, not equality. If i say Mr President and my self are one, does that mean we are equal? When you marry a woman, the two of you become one but the Bible stressed that the Husband is the head and the woman should be submisive. Got the understanding?

Nimshi: Maximus85: I have asked eight questions above, and offered that you answer according to your own priority list of thise questions.

I am not surprised at your boast that you JWs are 'trained teachers'; when the same doctrine is drummed into faithfuls at several meetings every week, and the 'groupspeak' is elevated to real discussion, plus the illusion of an in-house school, it is easy to make JWs feel special. Of course, they go out to unsuspecting people, claiming to 'preach', yet, it is clear that everything you say must be sanctioned from a certain country (you know which). Your religion is dangerous, even though you may not know it. And I hint/warn you in advance that attempting to answer any four of the questions I have posed in detail will unmask your religion for what it is.

Someone up here asked why the hatred the JWs have for the Catholics; you responded with 'you need proof'; this is cheeky. Just type 'Catholic' into your WT CD, and find the relevant quotes. What is surprising is that the Jehovah's Witnesses are hypocrites of the worst kind in the matters in which they criticise the Catholic church the most: child abuse and idolatory.

OLAADEGBU: I thank you for your response to my post to you: my words were a bit harsh; but you show yourself a better fellow with your response. I apologise for the harsh words, and of course: I welcome the questions you're asking of this religious sect claiming to be the only true Christians.

Maximus85:

There are prophesies repeated by prophets in the Bible. All the prophesies regarding This world is in the Bible. Are their new prophesies not included in the Bible? The same prophecy of the end of this system of things was prophesy by John, Jesus and his disciples and even us today. Many prophesies are yet to be fulfilled. We are not coming up with new prophecy(s)
according to the material you posted "we act as prophets of God" by preaching God's messages and prophesy(s) to the world.

Maximus85:

Jesus became King in 1914 (see my post about how we come about that date on this thread)
so in that Year Jesus and his angels sent Satan and his demon down to the earth. Why is it that the first global war broke in 1914? Read Revelation 12:7-12.

truthislight:
hmmm!
Ola
so you do set trap?
I thought it was only satan that does that?
Please you have to change and become a honest hearted person.
Peace

OLAADEGBU:

This is what your organisation's publication said:

"…the ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty’ (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth’s present rulership, is already commenced." — The Time is At Hand, Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 2, 1886, 1911 edition, p. 101

http://4jehovah.org/images/stories/downloads/jehovahs_witness/prophecy/time_is_at_hand-1911ed-p101.pdf

Are you saying that you are still holding on to this prophecy?

MyJoe:
Jesus did state clearly that God is greater than he is, so you are on a solid footing about this equality matter. But Ola's initial question simply raised the issue of mistranslation. His Theo post shows clearly that the NWT people translated a word to fit their church's doctrine, a fact that has led many biblical Greek scholars to lampoon the NWT. Was it right to translate Theos differently in just one verse? I think you people should address this matter before moving on to whether Trinity is true or false.

Maximus85:
…the ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty’ (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth’s present rulership, is already commenced.
MEANING THE PROCESS TO COMPLETELY OVERTHROW EARTH'S PRESENT RULERSHIP STARTED IN 1914.

Maximus85:
if that God is greater than Jesus is a doctrine, i will follow that path till the end.

OLAADEGBU:

Are you saying that we have to study Greek and Hebrew to understand what was printed in 1886 in the 1911 edition? Hello o! It says that the battle is already commenced at that it will end in A.D. 1914. I hope you are not trying to pull wool over our eyes.

Maximus85:
…the ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty’ (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth’s present rulership, is already commenced.
MEANING THE PROCESS TO COMPLETELY OVERTHROW EARTH'S PRESENT RULERSHIP STARTED IN 1914.