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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:00pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
Maximus85: Let's see how your Watch Tower magazine responded to the question whether the Watchtower Society has claimed to be God's prophet. "So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? …He had a "prophet" to warn them. This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian witnesses. …Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?" —The Watchtower, April 1, 1972, p. 197 http://4jehovah.org/images/stories/downloads/jehovahs_witness/prophecy/wt-4-1-1972-p197.pdf Note the underlined sentences in the pdf. and see how it sharply contrasts with your position. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:08pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
Another kweshun sir: What does the Watchtower Society's record show? Did the Society proclaim that 1914 would "end" world governments? I hope you are still there. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Nimshi: 12:23pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU: It is apparent you have little experience in dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses. Hint #1: By jumping from topic to topic, you offer the JW an easy way to muddle things up (I don't claim the JW would do this deliberately). . . . |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:29pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
Nimshi: OLAADEGBU: It is apparent you have little experience in dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses. Advise taken. I'll wait till he answers the questions already asked. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 2:17pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU:Or Through Jesus Christ showing God's superiority as Jesus's father. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 2:35pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU:There are prophesies repeated by prophets in the Bible. All the prophesies regarding This world is in the Bible. Are their new prophesies not included in the Bible? The same prophecy of the end of this system of things was prophesy by John, Jesus and his disciples and even us today. Many prophesies are yet to be fulfilled. We are not coming up with new prophecy(s) according to the material you posted "we act as prophets of God" by preaching God's messages and prophesy(s) to the world. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 2:45pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU: Another kweshun sir:Jesus became King in 1914 (see my post about how we come about that date on this thread) so in that Year Jesus and his angels sent Satan and his demon down to the earth. Why is it that the first global war broke in 1914? Read Revelation 12:7-12. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 2:53pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
Nimshi: OLAADEGBU: It is apparent you have little experience in dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses.We are trained teachers. We believe in effective teaching. We don't jump from one question to another. We don't run away from question because we have accurate answers from God's word...The Bible. We are so honoured to do this. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Nimshi: 10:33pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
Maximus85: I have asked eight questions above, and offered that you answer according to your own priority list of thise questions. I am not surprised at your boast that you JWs are 'trained teachers'; when the same doctrine is drummed into faithfuls at several meetings every week, and the 'groupspeak' is elevated to real discussion, plus the illusion of an in-house school, it is easy to make JWs feel special. Of course, they go out to unsuspecting people, claiming to 'preach', yet, it is clear that everything you say must be sanctioned from a certain country (you know which). Your religion is dangerous, even though you may not know it. And I hint/warn you in advance that attempting to answer any four of the questions I have posed in detail will unmask your religion for what it is. Someone up here asked why the hatred the JWs have for the Catholics; you responded with 'you need proof'; this is cheeky. Just type 'Catholic' into your WT CD, and find the relevant quotes. What is surprising is that the Jehovah's Witnesses are hypocrites of the worst kind in the matters in which they criticise the Catholic church the most: child abuse and idolatory. OLAADEGBU: I thank you for your response to my post to you: my words were a bit harsh; but you show yourself a better fellow with your response. I apologise for the harsh words, and of course: I welcome the questions you're asking of this religious sect claiming to be the only true Christians. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 10:59pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU:John 10:30 potrays the oneness, union between God and Jesus, not equality. If i say Mr President and my self are one, does that mean we are equal? When you marry a woman, the two of you become one but the Bible stressed that the Husband is the head and the woman should be submisive. Got the understanding? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 11:14pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
Nimshi: Maximus85: I have asked eight questions above, and offered that you answer according to your own priority list of thise questions.My Brother, its obvious you hate JW's. We follow exactly what Jesus asked true Christians to do after he left. That we hate the Catholic is so untrue. We preach Love, hope, faith etc how then should we hate? We are agains some of the Catholic's doctrine. We don't worship Mary, we worship God. Mary is Jesus's earthly mother, not God's Mother as the Catholic teaches. John 14:28. JESUS SAID "FATHER IS GREATER THAN I" Note: I cant find the eight questions. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 10:47am On Aug 09, 2012 |
Nimshi: Maximus85: it is quite brave of you to come up here to defend your religion. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by truthislight: 11:40am On Aug 09, 2012 |
MyJoe:it is Good this is coming from you |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by truthislight: 11:54am On Aug 09, 2012 |
MyJoe: JEHOVAH'S WITNESES NEVER CLAIM TO KNOW THE DAY. EVEN JESUS SAYS HE DID NOT KNOW. AND THAT NO MAN KNOWS EVEN THE ANGELS. Unless you want to tell us that JW dont have enemies or people that hate them. That then will mean that no body or group of people on this planet will want to write something wrong about them. Then according to you no one hate them. Is that possible? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by truthislight: 12:00pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
Maximus85: good point, all the publications mention on that article are available online on the bank. Any interested person who wants to confirm those information should copy the date and confirm for himself and not depend on hear say. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by truthislight: 12:05pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
MyJoe: Another reasonable response. Just a little correction: it is the person disputing or rejecting a reference that does the checking and points out what is unfounded. Anyone reading that extract up there will accept the references as genuine if you don't do that. Whats your interest then? The resources are there for any seriouse minded individual to do the research for himself. The op said he has done his. Are you insisting that those material must be accepted as facts and that people should not check it out when the material are very much available? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by truthislight: 12:08pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU:hmmm! Ola so you do set trap? I thought it was only satan that does that? Please you have to change and become a honest hearted person. Peace |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by truthislight: 12:25pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
Nimshi: Maximus85: it is quite brave of you to come up here to defend your religion. i must agree with you that some of your questions are very pertinent. But What has the founder of the religion has to do with a religion that claim to absolutely follow the bible 100% are you really aware of the tangents you will throw this Q and A to? Most people already do know about C T Russel. Wishing you allow the discuss revolve around how their beliefs tally with what the bible teach which will be more beneficial. Peace |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by truthislight: 12:28pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU: of couse Jesus was with his father in haven befor coming to earth, why will he not talk about it? But you are of the view that he was the almighty in heaven. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by truthislight: 12:35pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU: I Never imagine you can be this lame. Is this magazine a reference to JW's or it is reference of other people giving a prophesy that never come to pass? Cant you see the mention of a specific date(day and hour) there? JW dont and had never mentioned specific dates. Never knew that you can be this deceitful. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by truthislight: 12:40pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU: why cant Ola even quote from the JW web sit? Ola, this is turning like the Obama is not a christian thread. Why not ask the guy question and allow him to give answers, but you have taken over the thread? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:49pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
Maximus85: When studying the original Greek of Jesus' statement "I and the Father are one," the word translated "one" means one in essence, or nature, not merely one in purpose. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by truthislight: 12:51pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
Nimshi: Maximus85: I have asked eight questions above, and offered that you answer according to your own priority list of thise questions. I had thought that your questions were meant to help us learn but this your comment is making us wander. Are you one of those that take them as an enemy? Do you hate them this much? Why, because they claim to be a true religion? Pls, will you join any religion that dont claim to be the true religion? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:53pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
Maximus85: So do you accept that your group is the prophet of God, is it not so? "So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? …He had a "prophet" to warn them. This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian witnesses. …Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?" —The Watchtower, April 1, 1972, p. 197 http://4jehovah.org/images/stories/downloads/jehovahs_witness/prophecy/wt-4-1-1972-p197.pdf Note the underlined sentences in the pdf. and see how it sharply contrasts with your position. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:02pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
Maximus85: This is what your organisation's publication said: "…the ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty’ (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth’s present rulership, is already commenced." — The Time is At Hand, Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 2, 1886, 1911 edition, p. 101 http://4jehovah.org/images/stories/downloads/jehovahs_witness/prophecy/time_is_at_hand-1911ed-p101.pdf Are you saying that you are still holding on to this prophecy? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:08pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
truthislight: Traps? I don't know about setting traps except the traps you set for yourselves to you end up in. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 3:19pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU:…the ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty’ (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth’s present rulership, is already commenced. MEANING THE PROCESS TO COMPLETELY OVERTHROW EARTH'S PRESENT RULERSHIP STARTED IN 1914. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 3:27pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
MyJoe:if that God is greater than Jesus is a doctrine, i will follow that path till the end. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:32pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
Maximus85: Are you saying that we have to study Greek and Hebrew to understand what was printed in 1886 in the 1911 edition? Hello o! It says that the battle is already commenced at that it will end in A.D. 1914. I hope you are not trying to pull wool over our eyes. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by MyJoe: 5:46pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
Maximus85:Yes, but I wasn't on about "doctrine" in that post. I see you don't like the word as used there. Fine. Now, here is the matter: do you think it was proper for the new world Bible translators to translate Theos as "God" everywhere and translate it as "a god" in the one place? Thank you. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by truthislight: 5:50pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU: the start of the begining of the process was 1914. Then satan was sent down from heaven after which he will be sent out of planet earth since he had a short period of time. When a prophesy like the calculation leading to 1914 comes to the period of fulfilment that the masaiah that was sitting in the right hand of God will start ruling, expectation gets high as to what comes next. Adding to this is that at that same year the first world war broke out the expectation couple with the fact that no one knows the hour definitely causes one to be in expectation like Jesus had said. Ever since 1914 the world have been in the short period of time that the bible says that satan has, But the bible says that the process leading to the coming of armagedon starts with christ starting his rulership in the midst of his enemy casting satan out of heaven and next armagedon then Judgement day. So, 1914 was the comencement of the event leading to armagedone. I dont think they said the world will end in 1914. This is internet, any thing can be put forth. There is a video that addresses what you are saying, ask the JW. Peace 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by MyJoe: 5:52pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
Maximus85: You may want to re-read the post you were responding to, then re-read that^^^ one and amend it. They don't take kindly to this sort of thing in NL. |
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