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|Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 3:55pm On Aug 07, 2012|
Hello friends, this thread is opened so as to create a forum where you can ask questions about Jehovah's witnesses and their believes or bible questions.
We will answer them all with the aid of your Bible, because people claim that we have our own Bible which is not true. Why should we do that when we know what:
Deuteronomy 4:2, Revelation 22:18,19 says.
You are welcome!
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Nobody: 4:07pm On Aug 07, 2012|
Question 1:Why do you always potray the catholic church as an evil cult in your magazines?
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:03pm On Aug 07, 2012|
Maximus85: Hello friends, this thread is opened so as to create a forum where you can ask questions about Jehovah's witnesses and their believes or bible questions.
Why do you change the word of God in your translation?
The authorised version of John 1:1 reads:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (John 1:1 KJV)
Your translation (The New World Translation) reads something like this:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god (John 1:1 NWT)
Why do you change where it says the Word (Jesus Christ) was God to was a god?
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by mkmyers45(m): 5:12pm On Aug 07, 2012|
Straight from Wiki...Please Answer
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:20pm On Aug 07, 2012|
How can we know the difference between a true prophet and a false prophet?
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:55pm On Aug 07, 2012|
Has the Watchtower Society claimed to be God’s "prophet"?
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 7:37pm On Aug 07, 2012|
Reyginus: Question 1:Why do you always potray the catholic church as an evil cult in your magazines?I'll need a proof. The edition of that Watchtower (date). Here are why we don't agree with Catholic;
1. They seem to honor Mary more than Jesus Christ. Mary is the mother of Jesus, not "mother of God" Luke 1:35
2. They claim to worship God and they support war.
3. The Lord's evening meal. The holy communion is observed once in a year. Luke 22:1, 17-20, note in verse 1, "when the passover, was getting near" it shows that its a festival, festivals are not every month or week.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 8:06pm On Aug 07, 2012|
OLAADEGBU:Before i say anything, you must agree that John 1:1 was talking about two characters.
And again, the original languages of the Bible were Hebrew and Greek. These two languages does not respect capital and small letters.
Now lets analyse, first, Psalms 90:2 said God has no beginning. Do you agree? John 1:1 said "In the beginning" meaning God was before that Beginning. "Was the word" Who is the word? Jesus. "the word was with who? God. And the word was God/god. Read verse 2. He was in the beginning with God. Verse 4 and 5 refers to the word as the "LIGHT" Now read verse 12. But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God" verse 14 and 15 described that "word"/"light" turned flesh, dwelt among us and that John bore witness to him.
People use John 1:1 to proof that God and Jesus are equal. If you read John 1 vs 29-34. Jesus the son of God cannot be equal to God. Jesus said it himself. See Philippians 2:5&6; John 14:28; link John 10:30 with John 17:21-22. God and Jesus are not EQUAL.
So our translation is very understanding, we didn't change anything. The reason why the 2nd God was written in small letter is that after reading extensively, Jesus is a smaller god to the Almighty.
Throughout this answering, i used and quoted the RSV.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 8:32pm On Aug 07, 2012|
mkmyers45: Straight from Wiki...Please AnswerWe have anti-Jehovah's Witnesses who publishes lots of unfounded articles and quotes.
Even Jesus doesn't know the time when God will bring an end to this system of things, but he gave us signs to watchout for. Matthew 24:3,7-13. So how could Jehovah's Witnesses now pick a date on their own? Its so so impossible.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 8:45pm On Aug 07, 2012|
OLAADEGBU: How can we know the difference between a true prophet and a false prophet?Read Matthew 7:15-23. By their fruit, you will know them. Pay extra attention to verses 21-23. If all prophets are true prophets, the world would have been a better place. Because millions of people are following them. Read also Matthew 24:23-25.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 9:04pm On Aug 07, 2012|
OLAADEGBU: Has the Watchtower Society claimed to be God’s "prophet"?Jesus didn't ask us to prophesy. Matthew 24:14 says " And this good news of the kingdom (of God) will be preached in all inhabited earth for a WITNESS to all the nations; and then the end will come.
Read 1 Timothy 4:1-5. Lets analyse verse 3 and 4 "for the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, 4. And will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths. Where do you belong? WE AS JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES TALK ABOUT THE PROPHESIES IN THE BIBLE AND WE PREACH ABOUT GOD'S NEW KINGDOM. THIS IS OUR WORK JUST AS JESUS DID WHEN HE WAS HERE ON EARTH AND HE COMMANDED US TO CONTINUE.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by MyJoe: 9:04pm On Aug 07, 2012|
Maximus85:I think this is a brilliant handling of the matter.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by MyJoe: 9:13pm On Aug 07, 2012|
Maximus85:I was enjoying you till I read this. In fact, you almost fall my hand. Nothing in that wiki extract is unfounded. Not one. You will note it is well referenced. Please read it again and write a befitting response.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by MyJoe: 9:19pm On Aug 07, 2012|
That was a trap question and I think you just bought it. Maybe you are new around here but Ola is an old warhorse in these matters and you need to be careful.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by mkmyers45(m): 9:32pm On Aug 07, 2012|
MyJoe:Im disappionted in the OP too
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 10:20pm On Aug 07, 2012|
MyJoe:Maybe i used a wrong Language. But the fact remains that nobody, i mean nobody, including Jesus Christ can tell of the time when the end will come. So how can we come out and post a date.
As for the references, for you to accept a reference, it will be justified to see the original article. I didn't choose to be a Jehovah's Witness overnight, i checked through and i was convinced. We based all our teachings on the Bible. There's no set date for the end of this system of things in the bible. You can visit our website www.jw.org and check our publication bank.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 10:21pm On Aug 07, 2012|
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by MyJoe: 10:52pm On Aug 07, 2012|
Another reasonable response. Just a little correction: it is the person disputing or rejecting a reference that does the checking and points out what is unfounded. Anyone reading that extract up there will accept the references as genuine if you don't do that.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:53pm On Aug 07, 2012|
I laugh in Greek.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by mkmyers45(m): 10:55pm On Aug 07, 2012|
Maximus85:Are you saying the dates including 1914 given by jw are false?
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:34pm On Aug 07, 2012|
This is what John 1:1 states about the 2 characters
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
If you contend that John 1:1 should be translated as "The Word was a god," and not "The Word was God." And if you are using the same line of argument that since theos (the Greek word for God) is preceded by the definite article (the) when it first appears in the verse, and the second time it appears it is not preceded by the definite article, then you are therefore justified in translating the last part of John 1:1 "the Word was a god," because God appears without the definite article. And you claim that John 1:1 does not say anything about Jesus' identity (i.e, that He is God), but refers to a quality about Him. There are, however, no reputable authorities or translations that support the JW's translation of this verse. In fact, your NWT or similar translations sympathetic to your position have caused considerable outrage among Greek scholars because it is a major distortion of the text.
I'm not surprised that you guys don't even play by your own rules, it is inconsistently applied throughout your NWT. For example, Theos appears 6 times without the definite article in the first 18 verses of John's gospel (1,6,12,13 and twice in 18). Yet, in the NWT, it is rendered God (referring to Jehovah), not a god, in each instance except for the last clause of 1:1, when it refers to Jesus! Do you see your inconsistencies?
To remain consistent, you must hold that verse 6 should read,
"There arose a man that was sent forth as a representative of a god,"
that verse 12 should read:
"to become a god's children," and so on.
If you observe carefully you will note that the absence of the definite article does not refer to someone other than the true God. The scholarly Arndt and Gingrich Greek Lexicon, p. 357, states that theos is used "quite predominantly of the true God, sometimes with, sometimes without, the article."
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:38pm On Aug 07, 2012|
Let's see John 1:3 so as to put verse 1 in proper perspective.
"All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made"
Here you can clearly see that God created and redeemed all things by Jesus Christ.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 1:06am On Aug 08, 2012|
OLAADEGBU:Are you saying that John 1:1 implies that God was with himself in the beginning and that he sent himself to the earth? Because if we are to accept the definite article "the" for the two characters then God should be with himself. If you re further, the 2nd character was refered to as the light which is Jesus. If i may ask you. Is God Almighty and Jesus Christ equal?
We need the guide of God's holy spirit to really understand the bible. Jesus is not the God. There's only one God and there is no equal.
Note that if 3 different people were to translate a sentence of English to you in Yoruba, you will get 3 different translations. Your translation may be based on your understanding of the subject matter.
Tell me if we are wrong by saying God is greater than Jesus, even when Jesus Christ himself confirmed it?
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Maximus85(m): 2:19am On Aug 08, 2012|
mkmyers45: Are you saying the dates including 1914 given by jw are false?[b] Jerusalem was a symbol of God's rulership. 1 Chronicles 29:23. In 607 B.C.E, The Babylonians conquered Jerusalem and the representation of God's throne on earth was interupted. 2 King 25:1-26. But this interruption will not last forever. Ezekiel fortold in Ezekiel 21:26-27 about the last king of Jerusalem, Zedekiah " remove the turban, and lift off the crown....it will certainly become no one's until he comes who has the legal right, and i must give it to him. So the one who has the legal right to the Davidic crown is Jesus Christ. Luke 1:32,33.
Therefore the interuption ends when Jesus became King.
So how long will the throne remain empty? It was shown to King Nebuchadnezzar in a dream. Daniel 4:10-16. He saw an immense tree chopped down. Its stump could not grow because it was banded with iron and copper. An angel declared: "LET SEVEN TIMES PASS OVER IT" In the Bible, trees are sometimes used to represent rulership. Read Ezekiel 17:22-24; 31:2-5. Chopping down the tree represents the interuption of God's throne (Jerusalem) but it will last for SEVEN TIMES. So how long is this time?
Revelation 12:6,14 states that three and a half times equals "a thousand two hundred and sixty days"(1260days) three and a half times times 2 equals 7times that is 1260 X 2 =2520days. But this interuption didn't end in just 2520days. Numbers 14:24 and Ezekiel 4:6 speak of a day for a year, so the 7times is 2520years.
The 2520years started in the 10th month of 607 B.C.E, when Jerusalem was captured by Babylon.
From October 607 B.C.E to December 1 C.E IS 606 years and 4months. Remember B.C.E was counted backward.
From January, 1 C.E to October 1914 is 1913 years and 8months. Lets add 606yrs, 4months to 1913yrs,8months=2520years.
Meaning the 7times ended in October 1914. Jesus became King. Read Daniel 7:13,14.
Instantly war broke out in heaven, Jesus sent Satan and his demon down to the earth, and woe to the earth. Read Revelation 12:7, 9, 12.
October 1914, the first world war confirming satan's presence and rage on earth.
See how accurate it is?[/b]
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by MyJoe: 8:42am On Aug 08, 2012|
Maximus85:Jesus did state clearly that God is greater than he is, so you are on a solid footing about this equality matter. But Ola's initial question simply raised the issue of mistranslation. His Theo post shows clearly that the NWT people translated a word to fit their church's doctrine, a fact that has led many biblical Greek scholars to lampoon the NWT. Was it right to translate Theos differently in just one verse? I think you people should address this matter before moving on to whether Trinity is true or false.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by MyJoe: 8:52am On Aug 08, 2012|
Maximus85:I very much doubt he will see it - what with that arcane mathematics up there and the wonderful linking of the Ezekiel and the Revelation. But let's keep our fingers crossed. He might just see it.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:39am On Aug 08, 2012|
This is why you need to understand and comprehend the doctrine of the Godhead.
Are you saying because Jesus said that the Father is "greater" than Him in (John 14:28), this must mean Jesus is a lesser God or a god?
Biblically speaking, Jesus is equal with the Father in His divine nature for He was God in human form. Jesus Christ confirmed this by saying:
"I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).
He was positionally lower than the Father from the standpoint of His becoming a servant by taking on human likeness (Philipians 2:6-11).
"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient to death, even the death of the cross." (Philipians 2:6-8 ).
Positionally speaking, therefore, the Father was "greater" than Jesus.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by MyJoe: 10:52am On Aug 08, 2012|
Ola, since the "are one" statement and the "greater than" statement were both made while he was on the earth, why do you pick and choose one over the other, saying the father was greater because Jesus was on earth?
We are still waiting for Maximus on the Theo matter.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Nimshi: 11:21am On Aug 08, 2012|
Maximus85: it is quite brave of you to come up here to defend your religion.
I have some questions for you.
1) Why is 1914 very important to your religion?
2) What is the disposition of your religion to child abuse; 'child abuse' being the satinised expression for the (sexual) rape of children.
3) What is the the disposition of your religion to the donation of human blood?
4) Who is the founder of your religion?
5) Who are the current leaders of your religion?
6) What is the belief of your religion regarding who will be saved at Armageddon?
7) Why do your leaders 'encourage' people who work in your missions not to have children?
8') On what dates has your religion predicted the end of the world?
I have more questions, but I give you the liberty to start with any of the ones above, according to your own priority list (I inform you in advance that this latitude to start with what you think is important has a purpose; may your God, Jehovah, be with you as you answer these questions, and my his Holy Spirit assist you in good measure).
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:28am On Aug 08, 2012|
Good question. If you notice, Jesus Christ at times speaks in His humanity and at other times in His divinity. Biblically and positionally if you know what I mean. His is both the Son of God and the Son of man, He can speak as both at different times.
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by Nimshi: 11:41am On Aug 08, 2012|
Maximu85: no, it is not accurate. There are several problems with your response. I will get to them in another post. For now, I have this:
1) Why 607 BCE? When did your religion come upon this date as the start date? (This is not a rhetorical question, I ask so that you would respond).
2) I have a challenge from you (I confess to having leaned this challenge from a friend who had studied your religion in detail): could you tell us anything - anything - your religion wrote before 1914 about 1914 that was correct? For every one thing you write in response to this question, I will supply two falsehoods peddled by the JWs; fair deal?
|Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:54am On Aug 08, 2012|
Fair enough. Let me give you extracts from yor Awake magazine when it attempted to answer this question.
"True, there have been those in times past who predicted an ‘end of the world,’ even announcing a specific date. …Yet, nothing happened. The ‘end’ did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? …Missing from such people were God’s truths and the evidence that he was guiding and using them" —Awake!, October 8, 1968, p. 23 **
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