Splinz:


Oh, you now know that this is not how to knock down an argument? But what exactly have you lot been doing?

Yes! I intentionally ignored your cheery-picking since you lot are trying to be smart by half. And note, I said I'd be willing to harmonize these Scriptures once he's ready to harmonize them. You can't cheery-picked what seems to support your arguments at the expense of other truths!

The same Paul you've been quoting expressly says: "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law". Here, Paul is saying that the law is intact, but you, no; the law is abolished. You claimed (yes, you. Paul never said the LAW has been abolished) the law has been nullified, but Paul is saying contrarily. The question you should be asking yourself is: How can Paul uphold [interestingly enough, the dictionary definition of the word uphold is: confirm or support (something which has been questioned)] what is supposedly nullified (according to you)?

Until you agree that your nullification of the LAW is not in harmony with other Scriptural truths, I'd not reconcile your stumbling blocks.

PS: Did you also see how the Living Jesus Christ through His revelation to John, confirms that true Christians are commandment keepers, and because of this, Satan wages war against them

Splinz:
The more you try to uphold your delusion, the more blunders you make. I tell you, you have a long way to go.

I see you running again in desperation, making another fallacious claim that Jesus gave a new law which is LOVE. Really

Okay. Lets see what the Bible has to say about love.

Paul has this to say: "Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law" (Romans 13:10) And John: "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome" (1 John 5:3). Hello! Did you hear that- that we keep His commandments? Again, these two definitions are overarching.

So you see, love is also keeping of the LAW!

cc: Goshen360

PS: You keep on making the fallacious claims that the LAW was to be until Christ supposedly "nailed it to the cross". But looking at the Sabbath law for instance, we see that the Sabbath is a SIGN between God and His people FOREVER (See Exodus 31:17). What! Did God forgot that He will do away with this law? No, let God be true and every man a liar (Romans 3:4).

Goshen360:


So do you keep the Sabbath?

ayoku777:



I asked you a simple question to reconcile three verses, you returned the question to me. That is a classic deflective method. Simply saying you don't know would have sufficed.

I understand your dilemma though. You are being shown many scriptures that show that the ten commandments have been abolished and done away with. Scriptures so direct and explicit, there is no way to give them another interpretation.

All you could do was quote another verse that you think contradicts the ones you've been shown.

Let me explain that verse for you;

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Paul is asking that, do we now void or make useless the law because of faith? He said no, we establish the law.

Question now is, How do we establish what is clearly stated in scripture that Christ has abolished and done away with?

Simple! By allowing the law to do what it was given to do in the first place. And what is that?

The law is the knowledge of sin and the revelation of guilt.

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

The purpose of the law was to shut men up, bring them to the end of their self-righteousness, give them a knowledge of their sin and their need for a Savior and then introduce them to God's Savior Jesus Christ.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

This means that the way the law is establish is not by keeping it but by using it to give unbelievers the knowledge of their sin and their need for a Savior in Jesus Christ.

Meaning the law is indeed not useless or void, but it is not for the believer in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

1Tim1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,

So that is how we establish the law, when it is used to give unbelievers the knowledge of sin and the revelation of their guilt and their need for a Savior in Jesus.

But to the new creation, the ten commandments have been abolished and done away with by Christ.

Then the other verse you quoted;

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

You said this verse proves that christians are commandments keepers.

Ofcourse, Christians are commandment keepers.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Question is which commandment? It is not the ten commandments, because according to the scriptures, the ten commandments have been abolished and done away with by Christ.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

The commandment the new creation keeps is the Love commandment not the ten commandments. The love commandment that is kept by being filled and led of the Spirit.

So none of the scriptures you're arguing with means or implies the ten commandments have not been abolished or should still be kept by believers. The word of God is one and without contradictions.

Shalom

Splinz:


You keep on recycling the same thing over and over again, interpreting them as it suits you. Have you bothered to ask why I've not gone indept into Paul's writings yet? I'm simply letting you to wallow in your ignorance- twisting these things to your hurt, like apostle Peter said.

Oh! You've even admitted now that Christians are commandment keepers? Wow... that's a nice step. But which commandment did you say Christians keeps- love

Look up, I've already discussed love with our friend. Jesus gave no new law, He was simply magnifying the Ten Commandment which is divided into two, the first four teaches man how to love God and the six, how to love fellow man. So according to Scriptures, love is the keeping of the Commandments!

ayoku777:


If love and the ten commandments are the same thing, Jesus would not call love "A new commandment".

John 13:34 A NEW COMMANDMENT I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

You don't call something new when it is a continuation of the old or the former.

When God calls one new, it is because He has made the former old and obsolete.

Hebrews 8v13 - By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

God does not bring in the new to run with the old, He brings in the new to replace the former.

Hebrews 10v9 -Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 7v18 - The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless.

Ephesians 2v15 - He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups.

Love is the new commandment, and it is not a continuation of the ten commandments but a replacement.

The Love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit and we walk in it by being filled and led of the Spirit.

Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Shalom

Splinz:


Oh yes. Don't you know true Christians keeps it together with the rest of the law?

Goshen360:

Oh really. Now I see.

Goshen360:


Oh really. Now I see.

Splinz:


Oh yes. Don't you know true Christians keeps it together with the rest of the law?

Splinz:


There he goes again, ignoring the Bible definition of LOVE. Just listen to yourself: the Commandment of Love? What is love

If the love of God is indeed shed abroad in your heart by the Holy Spirit, you would have kept the commandments which teaches no other thing but LOVE!- for God and fellow man.

But of course no, you can't keep this LAW because the carnal mind is hostile to God and His commandments! (Romans 8:7). Yes, this is your state, and this is why you can't submit to God's law and His rule over your life!

Ubenedictus:
That is the whole issue with slin and dralien, they keep the sabbath in their churches so they wont allow the law go. the bible says the old is obsolate, it has been superceeded by something more powerful that goes over and beyond it but many still wants to enjoy the law, they want to be under the school master.

this topic has been repeated on NL severally already, but so prefer the school master and the sabbath.

analice107:

Thank you.
And the Part which was fulfilled has to do with the sacrificial laws, which concerns atonement for sins by shedding the blood of an animal in the place of Man's sins.

Jesus became that lamb. But what about the moral laws, do they also needs be fulfilled?


The only part of the law fulfilled, is the part that concerns sins

Splinz:
The more you try to uphold your delusion, the more blunders you make. I tell you, you have a long way to go.

I see you running again in desperation, making another fallacious claim that Jesus gave a new law which is LOVE. Really

May God bless you and enrich you with wisdom!
Okay. Lets see what the Bible has to say about love.

Paul has this to say: "Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law" (Romans 13:10) And John: "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome" (1 John 5:3). Hello! Did you hear that- that we keep His commandments? Again, these two definitions are overarching.

So you see, love is also keeping of the LAW!

cc: Goshen360

PS: You keep on making the fallacious claims that the LAW was to be until Christ supposedly "nailed it to the cross". But looking at the Sabbath law for instance, we see that the Sabbath is a SIGN between God and His people FOREVER (See Exodus 31:17). What! Did God forgot that He will do away with this law? No, let God be true and every man a liar (Romans 3:4).

Goshen360:

So do you keep the Sabbath?

Splinz:

Oh yes. Don't you know true Christians keeps it together with the rest of the law?

Goshen360:


Oh really. Now I see.

Splinz:


Yeah, now you know.

petra1:

Hmmm...

Gbam....


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LLSAINT:



Thanks bro, you said my mind.

analice107:

No Goshen that's not true.

The Ten commands still holds firmly in the New covenant.

The Master divided the Ten Commands into 2.

The Ten Commandments are all about LOVE. Half is love for God and half love for fellow man.

What is Jesus central message? isn't it love?
For for God, and love for one another.

Ubenedictus:
do u also observe the sabbath?

analice107:

How does the Sabbath come in here?

Goshen360:


Because Sabbath is part of the 10 commandments.

petra1:


Christ fulfilled the sabbath.

analice107:

How does the Sabbath come in here?

Ubenedictus:
so he fulfill some commandment and didnt fulfill d rest? is that what u are saying.

petra1:


Christ fulfilled the sabbath.

MZLady39:

Hi,
How did Christ fulfill the Sabbath?

petra1:


Sabbath is a shadow of christ. He came to give us rest. Rest is salvation .

Matthew 12:8 (KJV Strong's)
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Sabbath means rest

Matthew 11:28-29 (KJV)
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.