Sagamite:

What you call slums in the USA in regards to infrastructure and building aesthetics is actually what are nice apartments and areas in most of Lagos.

So pointing to their "slums" to console yourself about you slums in Makoko, Ajegunle, Mile 2, Bariga etc is deceiving yourself to console yourself.

If what is shown above is regarded as "slum", then Nigerian slums should be changed to "Hell".

Your upper middle class places like Eric Moore Towers, 2004 Towers (exterior and streets) that some pride themselves on are no better than most projects.

i don't how that video is way better and comparable to Abuja.i just dont get your arguement at all.are you denying that there are no slums in us or nus slums are better than nigeria's slums anyways a slum is a slum.

~Bluetooth:

i don't how that video is way better and comparable to Abuja.i just dont get your arguement at all.are you denying that there are no slums in us or nus slums are better than nigeria's slums anyways a slum is a slum.

Is Abuja the entirety of Nigeria?

What percentage of Nigerians live in the plush parts of Abuja?

Don't you think it is quite pathetic for Nigeria that we are talking about slums of US and the best defence you can come up with, to even have a chance, is to compare the slums with Nigeria's best?

You cannot even mention Ikeja, Ketu, Magodo, Ibadan, Kaduna, Calabar, Port Harcourt. You had to bring your biggest gun to compare with slums to have a chance.

How does Abuja compare to Manhattan or Beverly Hills?

Sagamite:

Is Abuja the entirety of Nigeria?

What percentage of Nigerians live in the plush parts of Abuja?

Don't you think it is quite pathetic for Nigeria that we are talking about slums of US and the best defence you can come up with, to even have a chance, is to compare the slums with Nigeria's best?

You cannot even mention Ikeja, Ketu, Magodo, Ibadan, Kaduna, Calabar, Port Harcourt. You had to bring your biggest gun to compare with slums to have a chance.

How does Abuja compare to Manhattan or Beverly Hills?

i see where you are going,so there is no point struggling it with you but the bottomline here is that slums do exist in the developed countries too.slum na slum.ka ji ko ?

For example, Compton is regarded as a ghetto in California where there is a lot of crime and gun battles.

Here is a nice house (not typical but numerous) built in Compton. It is on par with the average house in Abuja/Ikoyi etc, our high brow areas.

Can you see such a house in even Shomolu, a middle class area, talkless of Ojuelegba?

The Fifth picture IS NOT A SLUM! Those are normal NYC apartment buildings! Why do foreigners equate huge, tall, brick buildings with the projects?

d average slum in d us or d uk,is where d middle class live in Nigeria or even better. . .watched a documentary of peckham and hackney d other day,and these places regarded as deprived areas in d U.k,is much better than some places in victoria island. . .

philip0906:

d average slum in d us or d uk,is where d middle class live in Nigeria or even better. . .watched a documentary of peckham and hackney d other day,and these places regarded as deprived areas in d U.k,is much better than some places in victoria island. . .

And they have water supply and covered gutters.

I can't vouch for that in every part of VI.

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u didn't include d good road network,well tarred roads e.t.c

philip0906:

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u didn't include d good road network,well tarred roads e.t.c

Sorry, my bad!

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oops. . . not 2 worry

THE AMAKA what lies are you talking about, have you ever been to Ajegunle. I have been to Ajegunle before. I am telling that is how houses are built. An average home in some part of lagos goes for $1,000,000 US. even just the plot is worth million.


Amaka chief Awolowo believe in Socialism, when I was young, Chief Obafemi Awolowo /jakande perform an experiment by telling UPN party officers/members to remove thier children  from private school to public school and they put them in any public school in lagos . I was one of the children that they perform that experiment with by removing us from private school and put in public school. My father was a member of the UPN party at that time,  I was removed  from a private school to a public school. they place me in a public school in Ajegunle for 1 year.   So I am telling you, that is Ajegunle.  lagos was a small place then.  There were no place like agege, etc. 

Lagos has many storey building because land is hard to come by and people have to tear down the houses and rebuild thier houses to 3 and 4 storey building. That why most of Lagos state have 3 storey building. There is no more land in lagos. Even people steal land in lagos. And kill there owners. My father lost several plot of land in lagos. Not one , not two but several.  An old house in ajegunle is worth about the price of an average house in canada. One of those house in the pictures is worth millions.

That why they need to create a state from ogun state and  name it NEW LAGOS state.   While the old lagos state remain LAGOS STATE.

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whats all dat crap u just typed up there?

The crap I am telling you is true. You can go and Ask HID Awolowo or former Governor of lagos state Kayode Jakande. They perform an experiment then.

philip0906:

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whats all dat crap u just typed up there?

He has mental issues.

what nonsense are you talking about my father and mother lost more than 10 plot of lagos at different location in lagos. Even Chief Gani fawehinmi handle some of the case at the court. You can go to his office and find out.

They kill person over land in lagos. why do you think fashola want to build houses on top of the sea.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E906CPuq5Ac

BECOME RICH

you are making sense!

These people think its all paradise in developed cities.

Very soon f.ools like them will claim there are no destitutes in some streets of US!

adolfe bad:

BECOME RICH

you are making sense!

These people think its all paradise in developed cities.

Very soon f.ools like them will claim there are no destitutes in some streets of US!

You are a slowpoke!

What makes you think people are saying everywhere is paradise in developed cities?

Retard, what we are saying is there is no basis of comparing what is termed as slum in developed countries to what is termed as slum in places like Nigeria.

Sagamite:

You are a slowpoke!

What makes you think people are saying everywhere is paradise in developed cities?

Retard, what we are saying is there is no basis of comparing what is termed as slum in developed countries to what is termed as slum in places like Nigeria.

your arguement lack genuine intelligence.can you please tell me what makes a slum if you claimed slums in the US are better than those in nigeria.fyi,some parts of ajegunle has skyscrapper and good tarred,yet it's still regarded as a slum.no slum is better than another,a slum is a slum

SAGAMITE
You such a retarded GHOMID!!
why would anyone sane need to compare slums?

A slum is a slum!

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my friend stop screaming into my ears u r close 2 me. . .talk gently k?what d'u mean by a slum is a slum?

@Becomerich0

I was in Ajegunle too and have lived in Olodi Apapa for a while and what I've seen comes nearly to that what
is written below.


Ajegunle, Olodi: Two faces of a twin town
By IFEANYI NWOKE

Ajegunle, a popular Lagos slum, is home to more than 3 million inhabitants from all the ethnic groups in West Africa. It is a place where you must watch your back even as you seek daily survival.

Olodi Apapa, its close neighbour, is inhabited by moderately rich people. Although, both communities are in the same locality, the people are socially separated.

Ajegunle is characterized by urban blight and high rate of poverty and unemployment. To many people, the place is a breeding ground for social problems such as crime, drug addiction, alcoholism, squalor, substandard housing and over crowding.

Indeed, in most parts of the expansive slum, hunger, disease and abject poverty are the symbols of life. Clean water, sanitation, functional drainage system, electricity and other social amenities are almost non-existent.

There are more than two million dwellers in the densely populated area of Ajegunle. About 1,200 people reside on one square hectare. A shack as small as 10 by 10 feet could house more than 10 persons . The areas mostly affected by such congestion are Amukoko, Oghonwankwo, Tolu, Alakoto and Adeolu. Olodi Apapa’s case is slightly different. This area which some people consider part of Ajegunle is a low density area. It is lightly populated and records very low crime rate and immoral activities.
In Ajegunle, people live mostly in substandard or dilapidated buildings, unlike in Olodi where there are modern, well-structured buildings. In terms of education, the children of the slum dwellers attend mainly government schools which are clustered as a result of the large number of children. In the maintenance of law and order, Ajegunle residents are frequently victims of police brutality.

Yet, in the bowel of the grinding poverty, the ghetto dwellers have evolved novel means of survival. Most families survive on as little as N120 per day. Owing to poor purchasing power, tea, sugar, garri, salt, dried vegetables, cooking oil, cooked beans, home made juice and kerosene are sold in sachets that sometimes cost as little as N5. But the case is hardly the same with most Olodi families.

Poor waste management, in the raining season, makes Ajegunle streets a long refuse dump as the flood flushes contents of stinking drainages into the street and many homes as residents helplessly watch their homes and property submerged in the flood. In Ajegunle, heaps of refuse are a common sight. Gutters, canals, road junctions and even verandas of many houses have been converted to refuse dumps, so much so that passers–by must cover their nostrils with handkerchiefs to avoid inhaling the offensive stench oozing from the waste. In a bid to survive this torture, residents sometimes have to set the waste ablaze as a means of disposal. The smoke from such an exercise is yet another source of environmental pollution.

But in Olodi Apapa, such activities are very rare. Here residents collectively employ refuse collectors who regularly visit their homes to evacuate their waste.

Another problem faced in Ajegunle today is the general decline in the level of discipline and morality. Many see the place as a decadent society where morality and discipline are easily hurled overboard. The immoral lifestyle is well pronounced among youths of the area. Their boys are always involved in criminal activities through gangs that many of them join in school and on the streets. Not to be outshined by the boys, most girls engage in house-to-house or professional prostitution, among other societal ills.
However, among Olodi Apapa dwellers, the case is not the same. Activities of children are checked by parents who make some provisions for the kids all in a bid to keep them away from the streets.
Mr. Fabian Ujunwa, who has resided in Olodi-Apapa for long, said the town is a place where there is the good and the bad.

“However the main problem with Ajegunle is that the presence of the government is not felt here unlike some of its close neighbourhoods such as Apapa where you see paved roads and well structured buildings,” he said.

According to him, the government has not been alive to its responsibilities to the residents of Ajegunle. He said that people who reside in Olodi Apapa are more affluent than their Ajegunle counterparts.
Mr. Clement Abiodun, an Ajegunle resident, says Ajegunle is where you will find the majority of the poor. “In Ajegunle, there is squalor, no access road, no public spaces and playing grounds. They have no place for social interaction or relaxation. Their streets and gutters are full of debris of all kinds, open sewage, fresh dung, heaps of garbage as well as the offensive odour that emanate from them. But at Olodi Apapa you rarely see such things,” he stressed.

He appeals to the state government to pay more attention to the infrastructural development of both Ajegunle and Olodi-Apapa.

@bluetooth
 What d americans and britons dat live in these "deprived" and "run down" areas otherwise known as slums are after is not d basics 2 survive such as housing,electricity,roads e.t.c. . .they already have all these.They only want improvement in terms of "living condition" which may include less number of people in rooms,reducing d rate at which they juggle jobs(ofcourse d jobs r there) and have more comfort and luxury like d people who live in d upscale areas.A child living in Peckham 4 example,might only be able 2 afford a pair of sneakers,while his counterpart in d more plush areas can afford two or even more. . .
 But d residenst of slums in d developing countries,r simply asking 4 d basics 2 survive.These slums in nigeria,mumbai,rio de janeiro,have bad drainage systems,bad roads,no water,no light,no jobs as many survive on menial jobs,some feed on refuse dumps e.t.cmany don't have clothes 2 wear,they litterarily wear rags and live 4rm hand 2 mouth and thru desperate means which can simply be termed "astute poverty". . .
 By the way,"slums" were eradicated 4rm d developed world in d 20th century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slum

a slum is a slum.whether they live in nigeria or ths U.S. they suffer

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not d same way our own slum dwllers r suffering.people who go 2 club,have cars,have playstations,have ipods,have internet connections,have jobs,go 2 college e.t.c
BTW:A "prison is a prison"(by ur own analysis),but prisons differ.The american prison,is comfort 4 some people here in Nigeria.Some of our people,prefer going 2 jail there than coming back home. . .Likewise,A "slum"(if u choose 2 call it so),in d us or uk is different 4rm ur typical ajegunle or makoko slum k?some peeps like Bkbabe live in brooklyn but yet have "time" and "internet connection" 2 be on nland

philip0906:

@bluetooth
 What d americans and britons dat live in these "deprived" and "run down" areas otherwise known as slums are after is not d basics 2 survive such as housing,electricity,roads e.t.c. . .they already have all these.They only want improvement in terms of "living condition" which may include less number of people in rooms,reducing d rate at which they juggle jobs(ofcourse d jobs r there) and have more comfort and luxury like d people who live in d upscale areas.A child living in Peckham 4 example,might only be able 2 afford a pair of sneakers,while his counterpart in d more plush areas can afford two or even more. . .
 But d residenst of slums in d developing countries,r simply asking 4 d basics 2 survive.These slums in nigeria,mumbai,rio de janeiro,have bad drainage systems,bad roads,no water,no light,no jobs as many survive on menial jobs,some feed on refuse dumps e.t.cmany don't have clothes 2 wear,they litterarily wear rags and live 4rm hand 2 mouth and thru desperate means which can simply be termed "astute poverty". . .
 By the way,"slums" were eradicated 4rm d developed world in d 20th century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slum

what makes a slum ? Poverty,lack of social ammenities or over-population cuz china is a developing country with large population and currently the second largest economy;yet it is still regarded as a developing country.in simple englisd,what makes a slum ?

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u sef don answer am now Do we call people who live in brooklyn,peckham,hackem "poor"?Do we say they don't have social amenities?I put up a link there,so u can check it.Like u said,China,is still a developing country y?cos it still has a large number of people,living in squallor.

So everybody in uk and us are super comfortable abi ? Abeg yarn anothee thing,you are not making much sense.

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dats exactly my point.The people in these areas,are simply looking for "super comfort" and luxury like their counterparts in d plush areas,while our own slum dwellers,r simply asking 4 d BASICS 2 SURVIVE(roads,houses not shacks,water not water 4rm river or standing in a queue 2 fetch water with bucket on d head,electricity not candle). . .In other words,ours r asking 4 comfort while slum dwellers in the developed world r asking 4 super comfort. . .

philip0906:

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dats exactly my point.The people in these areas,are simply looking for "super comfort" and luxury like their counterparts in d plush areas,while our own slum dwellers,r simply asking 4 d BASICS 2 SURVIVE(roads,houses not shacks,water not water 4rm river or standing in a queue 2 fetch water with bucket on d head,electricity not candle). . .In other words,ours r asking 4 comfort while slum dwellers in the developed world r asking 4 super comfort. . .

A need is a need.no matter how small it could be,yet you still lack.if those in the developed countries are still looking to have a more comfortable life like those in the plush areas,then they still need help.nigeria,south africa,china,and india are all develpoing countries but china and india are way ahead of south africa and nigeria in terms of development.does that change their status? NO.

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well I c,we both have different views. . .but it does not stop peeps 4rm sleeping at d embassy 2 get a visa 2 go 2 Hackam,peckham,brooklyn,compton e.t.c 4 "better" life (ask bk/babe )rather than staying in makoko,ajegunle

philip0906:

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well I c,we both have different views. . .but it does not stop peeps 4rm sleeping at d embassy 2 get a visa 2 go 2 Hackam,peckham,brooklyn,compton e.t.c 4 "better" life (ask bk/babe )rather than staying in makoko,ajegunle

Not only nigerians migrate to abroad,so dont personalize it.most would have stayed behind if the country economy is in good shape.it has nothing to do with slums but greener pastures.how many nigerians were flooding the so - called embassies the 70's ? When nigeria was doing fine then despite the slums,folks are comfortable here till babangida sold the nation to IMF.

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ofcouse if d country was better,many would stay behind,but dats 4 another day.My points and replies,were in direct answer 2 d subject at hand,dat no matter how we c it,u can't compare d "slums"(what I call deprived areas) in the developed world,2what we have here and I backed it up with those posts.
While u said a need is a need in your earlier post,i agree with dat.we r not living in paradise and so,there must be problems and needs all round.But while a kids  need in Peckham may be 2 have new wears,3 pairs of shoes instead of one,new ipod,his parents want a steady job instead of juggling btw jobs and so have more time 2 spare,more accomodation space 2 cater 4 his growing family,his counterpart's need here is 2 survive,go to school,eat 3 square meal,have water,have something doing even if it were 10jobs a day instead of living 4rm hand 2 mouth,a house even if it is a room and parlour 4 his family of 4 instead of a schack e.t .c so it shows dat needs differ. . .