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Papa:
even Moses wasn't performing a miracle there! That was a sign. Signs are not for believers, they're for unbelievers. Try again.

you people are simply confused. I will hold my peace for now because frankly its a waste of time arguing with sinners playing church.

ayinba1:
The theology grad has spoken yet you argue, o ga o

she hasnt said anything new. Infact she sounded a lot more confused than i initially thot.
There is no coherence in her arguments, no attempt to produce tangible proof . . . she could have substituted i'slam for christianity and the same could have been said.

She argues that the bible was written by prophets . . . there was no written k'oran in the time of moh'ammad so does that necessarily mean that according to her analogy the k'oran is false?

judge for urself.

Papa:
My dear friend, God IS the author of ALL miracles! Otherwise why does the bible say "Every good and perfect gift comes from God"?! The devil can't perform miracles; he may deceive you so you don't see that the disease is still there and make you think you're healed.

The magicians of pharaoh could also turn their staff into snakes just exactly like bro Moses.

ayinba1:
While appreciating your knowledge of science, you will agree with me that it is hard for you to grasp the concept that there is a Heaven or Hell if you do not believe there is God.

I reiterate again that the term "heaven" is not a generic term for the afterlife. It is specific to the christian faith.
Heaven, either in its english or arabic form does not appear ANYWHERE in the kor[color=Black]an[/color] or hadiths.

To use the term heaven in the musli[color=Black]m[/color] context is to deliberately decieve your readers into thinking that the christian and [color=Black]m[/color]uslim concepts are one and the same.

ayinba1:
@4him,

Again, that figure you quoted is wrong. Please check and repost. Illegally yes, they are also being sent back to Egypt with athe agreement that they will not be harmed by Egypt. Legally the figure is between 300-500.

The only difference between my figure and urs is the term "legal". Legally there are about 300 darfur refugees in Israel (as at September 2007) . . . ALL have now been granted Israeli citizenship (did someone say Israel was an apartheid nation?).
Illegally there are about 2000 darfur refugees in Israel.

Now isnt it surprising that these refugees would choose to cross through Egypt to Israel? Why not stay in Egypt?
How many Darfur refugees is musl[color=Black]im[/color] Egypt planning to naturalise?

Why the fear of the refugees being harmed in Egypt?

ayinba1:
@4him,

Need I say more, You should know better than this or maybe I am giving you way too much credit.

pls correct me if any of my earlier claims are wrong. Thank you.

ayinba1:
Again stop misleading people, Israel has quite a number of Darfur refugees but not the highest number. If Egypt is treating the refugees badly, how does this translate to an Islami'c problem. Or did your bible not teach you about Egypt?

Darfur on its own is already an islami'c problem . . . to deny that is to bury ur head in the sands of denial.
The Egypt that the bible talks about is very different from the Egypt of today . . . the Egypt of today has been over-run by musl[color=Black]im[/color] arabs.

Do you need me to tell you that ancient Egyptians were black nubians?

I also shld acknowledge your earlier point . . . Isreal has recently announced it will deport some Darfurian refugees who entered the country illegally. But FACT Isreal plays host to some 2000 darfur refugees . . .

ayinba1:
Rape is a crime as well as a sin. Great Ones are speaking against the evil occuring in Darfur. Quit placing every blame on The Great Religion. Join us in speaking against these atrocities.

Dont be mischievous, the supporter of APC are musli[color=Black]ms[/color] backed by the arab government in khartoum . . . how do we avoid placing the blame on those who are truly to blame?

Who do we join in speaking out against these atrocities? Those doing the speaking up happen to be the US and a few countries in western Europe, virtually NO arab nation is speaking out. There are more darfur refugees in Israel today than in any musl[color=Black]im[/color] nation . . . funny enough these refugees pass through the entire length of Egypt to get to Isreal!

ayinba1:
@4Him, your posts are never surprising, what is surprising is the people that actually believe you and subscribe to you. Trying to separate heaven into one for christians and one? for great ones? or saying God is different from God? Are you in denial; or simply a retard?

You are the one in denial for the following reasons:
1. The christian God is markedly different from the musl[color=Black]im[/color] God. No amount of bellyaching can change that fact. Just take one look at the bible and k'oran and its clear the speakers are two different entities.
2. The entire bible is centered around one fact . . . the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ our Saviour on the cross of calvary, is'lam is built around the denial of this fact.
3. The heaven musli[color=Black]ms[/color] talk about is markedly different from that we christians believe in.

- the musl[color=Black]im[/color] concept of "heaven" is jaanat in arabic which means "garden of eden" in English . . . the christian heaven is not to be compared with the garden of eden, an earthly garden . . . neither does the bible say anything significant about it after the first few chapters in the book of genesis.
The garden of eden was where sin first crept into the world . . . such a place will NOT be in the christian heaven.
Heaven, as a concept, is not a generic term for the afterlife for the righteous . . . the REAL arabic name for heaven is Alia . . . which does not appear anywhere in the k'oran or hadiths.

- There are no slaves in the christian heaven, only sons.

- God can be seen, touched and worshiped in the christian heaven . . . not so in jaanat.

- Sex and marriage are NOT a part of the christian heaven as we are changed into a different body . . . not so for jaanat.

- Suicide victims are sinners and will not be a part of the christian heaven, suicide bombers are regarded as martyrs in jaanat.

- Worship is the primary purpose of the christian heaven, slaves in jaanat will be too preoccupied with rivers of wine and eating non-stop for 40yrs.

- No member of the christian heaven will have to pass through a bridge over hell . . . not so with the slaves of jaanat.

Ayinba1, call me a retard but i am not the one trying to separate "heaven" for christians and musli[color=Black]ms[/color], i am simply stating the bleeding obvious. Now who again is the one in denial?

for the upteenth time it is not the virginity status of the chic that is in question but her trust.

spoilt:
@4him
it is a crime punishable by suprise!

no wahala . . . the guy will simply reward the surprise with a sack letter.

wow almond is really a fine woman for all her noise.

LadyT:
4HIM YOUR REALLY GOING TO BITE ME!!!

a harmless erotic bite.

nutinikole, your bf abi your first base man dey try.

babs787:
@David

Compare my post with yours and tell who has been mischievous if you are really honest to yourself.

blabs, ur shenanigans did not start today.

blabs and his usual round-about tricks.

He thinks noise making is akin to making a point.

LadyT:
Look shes bang out of order for letting him assume but assumption is very dangerous!

Lying and being who you are not is even more insiduous.

LadyT:
I don't think he needs to dump her people make mistake she probably thought letting him carry on thinking what he thought he knew would keep him with her. No man or woman is worth living a lie.

Put urself in the shoes of the guy, take a deep breath, think about it. what would YOU do?

LadyT:
Both of you can bite me!

Bring ur arm.

blabs . . . i posted the words of Christ . . . and you refused to accept, i posted that of his disciples and you tell me to go give u the words of Christ again?
Talk of dishonest sons of belial.

Continue spamming the thread with ur vacous responses.

LadyT:
Correction when he started saying how great it was that she was a virgin she should of shouted him down and said no she wasnt!!!
She didnt lead him anywhere. He assumed,

I ask again . . . when did it become a crime to assume/trust your partner?

Is it his fault that she did not sit him down and tell him the frank truth when she shld have?
If this relationship ends (which i expect any right thinking male to do) it will not be because she was not a virgin but that she could lie to him for so soo long.

babs787:
I have asked you a straight forward which you tried dodging. You claimed that 'all the nations' and 'all nation' are the same and I asked you the above question. The nations mentioned therein referred to the 12 tribes of the house of Israel.

that is the i'slamic interpretation which is based on NOTHING. Show us where this was clearly stated in the bible.

babs787:
We are now seeing the real liar. Are you not ashamed of yourself? Why not give me his direct saying and not that of historian that never witnessed his ministry. Common give me from his own gospel.

Peter made that statement. I'd wager he knew a lot more of Jesus than moh'ammad.

babs787:
Hear my David Lol. He came for Israel before his death and extended same to the whole world after his ressurection!!! Do you read post before sending at all?

i ask again, what is your problem with it?

babs787:
It means he came for Israel firstly and spread it to over nations after his resurrection huh?

that hurts you?

babs787:
Now let me play with you a little, are you saying there is nowhere in the bible before his death that the message spread beyond Israel?

What message?

babs787:
Dont tell me that you are a coward? When you do that answers will be provided? I promise

i've been witness to this infantile nonsense for the last 2 yrs. Answer me first!

babs787:
You are not sounding sensible at all?

anything that exposes the k'oran for the lie that it is will never sound sensible to a dishonest charlatan.

babs787:
Just provide me a verse and I will give you another verse going against the one you are giving me.

Read the story of the crucifiction and stop moaning like the hypocrite u are.

LadyT:
Its not always bloody @4him,

See my point he may have no intention of marrying yet he may leave her not because she has allowed him to assume she was a virgin but because her hymen is broken?

Who died and make him King Disvirginer?
If you want a virgin be sure to put a ring on her finger take some vows before you break in,

I doubt if you read the OP's post clearly. The guy never specifically requested she be a virgin. Just like your average Joe out there he is proud to have landed a virgin which of course is a lie told by the girl in order to keep him.

Besides not every virgin is worthy of a ring on her finger . . . marriage is a whole lot more than disvirgining a woman. Marriage is for a lifetime, disvirgining takes less than 2 minutes.
I'd rather stick with a non-virgin who satisfies everything i want in a woman than a virgin who doesnt.

LadyT:
David swear to me you've never taken a girls trousers off,

The guys not a loser she shouldnt of allowed him to assume but I don't think this virginity thing should be a big deal. Unless you have swore to never have sex until marriage. Other than that I can't see the big deal.

It was always with mutual consent.

It would not have been a big deal if our dear OP did not make it a big deal by lying by silence. If she had come clean from day 1 the guy would have had to make an easy choice whether to leave her or get on with it.
Most guys dont really bother these days . . . not everyone is looking forward to awkward first moments and bloody sheets.

j-girl:
one more mistake from you guys and that's it. You all better be praying because you are in a very vulnerable position right now

wait till april. everyone seems to be thinking manchester united will not drop a single point.

LadyT:
Keep your pants on somze my point is what does it matter?

good. Of course what does it matter? Its the guy who's the loser eh.

LadyT:
Men make me laugh. Most want to sleep with a girl they haven't even thought about marrying then they get upset when shes not a virgin!

these "men" must exist only in the recesses of your mind. I havent seen any guy weeping because his girl was not a virgin.
Infact this has nothing to do with the topic at all because the girl pretty much LIED that she was a virgin. The guy has no clue so how can he be upset?

LadyT:
How can she be when most men all think the same!!!
Maybe if less men went round sticking their sticks into holes we would have more virgins around!

Oh please . . . as if we were the ones pulling down ur pants by force.

D-reloaded:
Now you're just making lame excuses for the guy's assumption.

since when did it become a crime to assume?
The critical issue everyone is conveniently trying to put on the back burner is that she pretty much lied by silence. Is lying now justified simply because its a female?

olabowale:
@Flakes: The Great Prophet condoned rape, you said? Am going to assume that your ibn Ishaq was not a Great One. For the The Great Prophet I know and love and I encourage people to study the religion his God completed and perfected on him, is the opposite of a picture of anyone who would condone the evil deed of illegal sex, and then you went so far to say that he condoned and participated in rape!

The Great Prophet did not involved in any sexual relationship until the age of 25 when he got married! He married his first, his only wife for at least until he was more than 50 years old! Am more than 50 and I know for a fact that my sexual drive had gone down a notch, compare to when I was in my 20s. Further, with all the women, throwing themselves, offering to marry him, yet he never took any who offered, where did he have the time to go on rape orgies? It just did not happen. And the killing of the Jewish tribe of Madina, would never have been as you described it. Why would he killed so many people, regardless of how you put? 600 to 800 people in those daywill be comparatively comparing that in less than 50 years Nigeria have more than doubled her population, even with so many lives lost in the civil war. So bring 600 for example from The Great Prophet's time today, you will have to agree that this will be millions of people. No one will be sit idle to let something like that happens. Your Ishaq did not give a good explanations, to how such an event could have happened, and no nations near or within the middle east raised an eyebrow.

Finall, I know The Great Prophet, none of the things you accused him of, fits his character. Whats so wrong is that the Sudanese themselves, or the africans or your own country has not raised an army to combate the supporter of APC of Sudan. The Great One countries, if there is any are just as corrupt as the non Great One nations. And no one has to cry about America or Israel. The evidence in other places speaks volume.

The amount of denials, deliberate refusal to answer glaring questions posed by the OP, desperate weaving around the real question would make the most dishonest liar really proud indeed.

This man of hypocrisy goes even further to blame the darfur citizens for failing to develop an army to defend themselves against the supporter of APC?

babs787:
Is there any difference if I say 'all boys' and 'all the boys'?

Playing around with semantics isnt going to help you. Stop trying to islamically interprete the bible.

babs787:
You even shot yourelf in the leg. He didnt say he would judged all men but said he would judge the twelve tribes.

You simply exposed yourself for the liar you are. Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

babs787:
Why didnt he preach to gentiles but had his work limited to the children of Israel? He even told his diciples not to go to gentiles but to the house of the children of Israel and for him to have said all nations, it means all the tribes of Israel.

1. The bible divides times into dispensations . . . befor Christ's death on the cross He concerned Himself with the jews alone . . . after the sacrifice on the cross . . . the gospel became available to ALL NATIONS.

2. Again you deceptively try to force explanations into the bible that arent there. Any good bible student can easily read Romans 11.

babs787:
Did he send Philip to Ethiopia himself?
Did he send Peter to Roman?

Read the bible and answer your own question.

babs787:
Not so fast brother, you can't play game with Babs, you read it there first so you should profer solution to it just like I asked you in another thread. Who did he refer to chldren and who are dogs?

neither can you play games with me. I will answer you the moment u tell me why al'lah refered to innocent pple as apes and pigs.

babs787:
Are you making sense at all? He came to the children of Israel first but extended the message to other communities after his death!!!.

Any problem with that?

babs787:
When was the curtain torn?

Read the bible and answer ur silly question.

please lets not mistake the musl[color=Black]im[/color] heaven for what we have in the bible.
Heaven is NOT a generic term for where God lives . . . it is the NAME reserved for the abode of the Christian God and His children.

This new attempt to use "heaven" as a generic term that also covers the musl[color=Black]im[/color] jaanat is reprehensible and needs to be clearly denounced.

Jaanat is musl[color=Black]im[/color] concept for their own fictitious paradise and actually translates to "garden" in english and NOT heaven. Jaanah is dishonestly derived from the hebrew term "garden of eden".

babs787:
@4him

Is there any difference between 'all the nations' and 'all nations'

no difference except to a deceptful mus'lim aiming to find a "difference" that does not exist.

babs787:
Didnt he make that statement that he would sit judging the twelve tribes and what makes you think that he would judge twelve tribes?

seek to understand what Christ meant by that instead of going off tangent. The bible also explicitly says ALL MEN will be judged.

babs787:
Ok if you don't believe in the Great Book, you can at least believe NT where we have verses on his messengership to the children of Israel. He made it knownm that he was sent to them and even called some community 'DOGS'.

1. He also made it known the message of salvation was to be preached to ALL men in EVERY nation. Philip was sent to an Ethiopian, Peter was sent to a Roman centurion . . . Timothy was greek.

2. Before trying to sneak the "dog" issue in here pls explain why al'lah called others apes and pigs.

babs787:
What do you understand by all the nations. David, it seems we may get to another contradiction on his message to the world/Israel as we proceed. Why didnt he himself preach to the whole world but for Israel alone?

You shld seek to understand the term "all nations" yourself before asking others.
He came first to His own (the nation of Israel), after His death and resurrection the temple veil was torn open . . . symbolic of the fact that God had moved from being cooped in a Jewish temple to dwelling in the hearts of ALL who would recieve Him.

somze:
The issue is simple, if she has any sincerity left in her or regard for this innocent guy, she would come clean. I doubt if the virginity would be an issue. The issue may be the incontrovertible fact that she lied about it and made a clear mockery of trust in the relationship.

i wonder why the females here cant see this. This, not virginity, is the crux of the matter.

are you people clones of the same person?