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olabowale:
Is it not true that a 5 year od child will be able to tell that Paul was not one of the apostles? Yet you call him apostle. Which number was he in the 12? And were the gospel wrters, mark, luke , John, matthew apostles of jesus?

Pardon me, but sir you lack wisdom.
Maybe i should make it bold enough for you to read - THERE IS A VERY CLEAR DIFFERENCE IN THE BIBLE BETWEEN DISCIPLES AND APOSTLES.
Paul (ditto for Barnabas) was never one of the 12 disciples BUT he was an apostles - one sent to preach the gospel or as a delegate. Which is very different from disciple - a follower.

All the gospel writers were apostles but not all were Christ's physical disciples.

olabowale:
You are batting 0 for 5 already, yet what happened to the gospels of the primary apostles of jesus and his own gospel, which he preached about the places?

the gospel Christ preached is right there in the bible.

olabowale:
But you are being told here and now that God is One Entity, without any Divisibility to Him. He can handle all affairs in that state of Oneness. Your divisibility resulting to multiple heads personality entity is ridiculous.

I think we have belaboured this issue because you're trying to force the idea that we believe in the same God. No we dont.
My God i know, who is yours?
You can choose whatever description you want for how ur god acts, i choose to follow the bible to understand mine.
End of argument.

olabowale:
And your only premise of disagreement with Barnabas is the that he dislodged the humangod understanding that you have for Jesus, since you already accepted it from Paul.

you goofed. i have no disagreement with Barnabas, i only have a disagreement with those who dishonestly wish to use his name to launder their fraud of a religion using a forged manuscript.

olabowale:
Remember there is no verse that points to jesus, by Jesus that he is anything other than a loving servant/slave prophet messenger of his Lord God. he even referred to himself as son of Man, (That itself is a clear proof), prophet and messenger and messiah to the house of Israel

Do you even understand what Messiah means?
The gospel of Barnabas CATEGORICALLY indicates that Jesus denied being the Messiah, does that not contradict you and the qu'ran here?

olabowale:
For sure the truth is pure and simple. There is no multiple ways to express the truth. It is direct and straigh and one pure way. This is opposite of false, which can be explained with satisfaction in uncountable way. Each time the story changes.

You talk about truth YET you cling tenaciously to the false. What a sad commentary on is'lam.

bros, my candid advice. Forget the Nigerian girl, she's history.
Marry the white chic and move on with ur life . . . the parents of the nigerian girl are only calling daily because u've now made it.

I'm not saying you didnt do wrong for leading her on for 4 yrs, if i were in ur shoes she'd have been out the window since.

Its unfortunate but its a harsh reality. Next time be honest!!! Dont lead two women on at the same time, choose one and let the other know she has to go for obvious reasons.

info:
@ topic

Always cut your coat according to your cloth

this guy is not serious.

Arsene would make my summer if he goes out and gets Berbatov (who desperately wants to leave Spurs), a defensive midfielder, one central midfielder, a center back, goalkeeper and proper right winger.

Frizy:
Why compare Mus'lims with atheists, do they have anything in common?

They have one thing in common, both DENY the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

Frizy:
I strongly disagree, your bible clearly states there are three gods in one. Father,son and Holy Spirit.

You cant be more conversant of the bible than me, the bible explicitly declares 1 God in 3 different manifestations. That you dont understand it shld not be reason to try to force your own dishonesty into the scriptures.

Frizy:
Now who is decietful and hiding the truth?
Check Epistle to Colossians Chapter 4, Verse 10.
Galatians Chapter 2, verse 9.
Acts 4:36
Acts 9:26,27
Acts11:22-30
Acts 12:25; Acts 13:1-2

To save time and space i wont put those quotes here, but WHERE is Barnabas referred to as a direct disciple of Christ?
Even a 5yr old can confidently tell you the 12 disciples of Christ, Barnabas is not one of them.
Why is the truth such a fishbone in the neck of a mus'lim?

Frizy:
Well the contents therein aren't as gullible as to those of your bible. Only that you don't know.

simply because it says what YOU want to read.

Frizy:
Well, david, sorry to say but research has shown that at least in every two chapters in your bible there are significantly a number of lies.

Research has also shown that there are SIGNIFICANT errors of language, geography and anachronistic details in the gospel of barnabas to consign it to the dustbin of forgery.

Frizy:
Who is the author of the Ko'ran? Is it God you talk of this way?

More emotive nonsense.

Kevin Keegan is a plum.

Frizy:
@4 Him
Even though the Gospel of barnabas has some verse that do not have the same concept with the Qu'ran, we can't deny that it is far more authetic to the bible we have now for the following reasons:

This is an is'lamic opinion that is not even shared by atheists who can see beyond their noses to know that Spanish and Italian were not 1st century languages.

Frizy:
1. It belives there is only one God, and shows many instances where Jesus rebuked those who called him God.

All the other 4 canonical gospels believe there is only ONE God too.

Frizy:
2. The author was a direct disciple to Jesus unlike Paul who wasn't.

Barnabas was never one of the 12 disciples. Even after Judas Iscariot killed himself his place was taken by Matthias. It is plainly stupid errors like this that expose the true decietful nature of the mus'lim.

Frizy:
3. The book denies Christ dying on the cross which is very different from the "paganic" believe that he died for anyone's sin.

that is even more evidence to support the fact that this book is a forgery meant to DENY the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

Frizy:
4. The book agreed with what the Qu'ran in many instances.

Which is the ONLY reason why you gullible hypocrites call it the only authentic gospel.

Frizy:
Contradictory Terms.
Firstly, I don't know why you're so willing to show the book's "insignificant" disagreement with the Ko'ran. I use the word insignificant because the author only wrote the things he saw and heard. While the Ko'ran is definately all true because God was the speaker all through.

The Qu'ran called Jesus the Christ, the gospel of Barnabas says Jesus specifically DENIED this BUT still referred to Jesus as the Messiah.
Considering the FACT that the REAL Barnabas was a JEW born in Cyprus (he understood greek and hebrew), it is SCANDALOUS that such a man would make that basic mistake since Christos is merely the greek form of the hebrew word "Messiah".

That is NOT an insignificant error.

Frizy:
For example, Mary mother of Jesus according to the Ko'ran bore Jesus in pain, the Gospel of Barnabas says painlessly. What you don't want to understand is the painlessness Barnabas stated may be the generally accepted belief since there was no more there except Mary and God who was a witness himself.

That is what we call lying.

Frizy:
Let me say that in your Bible, it states that Zarkariah was deaf and dumb for three days because of the sign God promised concerning John. The Ko'ran that we believe is God talking in the first person says God commanded him not to speak(this he could but must refrain himself) for three days except with a sign(just a sign to test his patience); therefore he was not no deaf nor dumb but the recorders of the bibe felt so.

Those who wrote the bible PERSONALLY knew this Zechariah, the author of the qu'ran didnt appear until more than 500 yrs after this Zechariah was dead, i know who's account i want to believe.

Frizy:
Finally, Davidlyan, differences or no differences. I must say that the differences does not contradict the most important beliefs like who God is, or Christ, or the prophets- that can result to one from been a disbeliever. If your bible only differed in the context that shows the limitations of we humans in understanding the Divine, then no one will cry out that it isn't the true bible.
Or what has Mary's pain or no pain has to do with worship.

balderdash, uncle.
When the author of the "gospel of barnabas" makes basic errors like saying Jesus went up to Nazareth by boat (nazareth is landlocked) then you start having mixed feelings about this "jew" who didnt even know the geography of his nation.

olabowale:
@Davidylan: And so were Mark, Luke, Matthew, etc of the four canonized Gospels. No wonder they were single named writers and always according to, without clarity. But the big daddy of them is Paul, who was not an " apostle," of Jesus, yet you struggle hard to make him one!

When do you stop bending the rule and don't make a rectangular juice box leave a ring stain on the piano. Be honest David.

It seems the problem with most mus'lims is a lack of understanding of the things they yell so loudly about.
There is a difference between an "apostle" and a "disciple". Paul was an apostle but not a disciple.

Matthew and John were disciples, Luke and Mark were not.

earthrealm:
so what can we deduce from that?

that all their "complaints" is simply hot air.

samba123:
what a strange the christian call it a fraud and fraudulent book or demon book what a histerical views among you people Barnabas is a disciple of Jesus(as) and now they called him a fraud one fellow.

the usual revisionist, backward thinking of the dishonest mus'lim.
Barnabas was not a disciple of Jesus . . .

Gospel of Barnabas - fact or fiction?

Barnabas says:
Then said Jesus: 'Adonai Sabaoth!' Whereupon straight-way the soldiers were rolled out of the Temple as one rolleth casks of wood when they are washed to refill them with wine; insomuch that now their head and now their feet struck the ground, and that without anyone touching them. Chapter 152.

Skins were used to store wine in those days, wooden barrels had not been invented.

'As God liveth, in the time of Elijah, friend and prophet of God, there were twelve mountains inhabited by seventeen thousand Pharisees; and so it was that in so great a number there was not found a single reprobate, but all were elect of God. But now, when Israel hath more than a hundred thousand Pharisees, may it please God that out of every thousand there be one elect!' Chapter 145

Pharisees in the time of Elijah?? Uncle barnabas!

Jesus confessed, and said the truth: 'I am not the Messiah.' Chapter 42
Barnabas, apostle of Jesus the Nazarene, called Christ, to all them that dwell upon the earth desireth peace and consolation. - Prologue

Maybe someone should remind brother Barnabas that "Christos" is the greek word for the Hebrew "Messiah".

Gospel of Barnabas - fact or fiction?

Barnabas says:
(I)nsomuch that the year of Jubilee, which now comes every 100 years, shall by the Messiah be reduced to every year in every place (chap. 82).

And the bible?
Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each one of you is to return to his family property and each to his own clan. The fiftieth year shall be a jubilee for you - Leviticus 25:10-11

How could Barnabas, a jew, have made such a gaping error? The only probable explanation is that this false Barnabas lived in 14th century, around the same period Pope Boniface changed the jubilee celebration to every 100 years.

Still think this Barnabas is genuine?

Gospel of Barnabas - fact or fiction?

Barnabas says:
Verily I say unto thee that the heavens are nine, among which are set the planets, that are distant one from another five hundred years journey for a man (chap. 178).

And the qu'ran?
The seven heavens and the earth praise Him - Qur'an 17:44

Still think Barnabas knew what he was talking about?

Gospel of Barnabas - fact or fiction?

Barnabas says:
Chapter 3: The virgin was surrounded by a light exceeding bright, and brought forth her son without pain,

And the qu'ran?
Surah 19:22. So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.

23. And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"

How could barnabas and the qu'ran be in such conflict??

LAKANYE~:
4HIM,

WHY DOES THE WHOLE WORLD THINK YOU ARE IGNORANT

At least they don't think i'm a fool unlike you. Dont use "the whole world" as a smokescreen for your own shame.
I think your pain has more to do with my evaluation of your irresponsible nature. You're better advised to go grow up.

Gospel of Barnabas - fact or fiction?

Barnabas says:
Jesus confessed and said the truth, "I am not the Messiah". (chap. 42). Then said the priest: "How shall the Messiah be called?" ,  (Jesus answered) "The Great Prophet is his blessed name" (chap. 97).

And the qu'ran?
God giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary Qur'an 3:45

How could barnabas and the qu'ran be in such conflict??

babs787:
@4him



I couldnt help marvelling at your ignorance. You claimed that letter is different from Gospel. Now if you would reason for a minute, is the gospel of Luke not a letter but it is called a gospel. Read from the beginning and acquire knowledge.

Now back to the issue of letter/gospel of barnabas which you are trying to deny, do you have the letter anywhere? Some may use Gospel while other may use letter and it mean same thing just like the gospel of Luke and others in your bible. So you have nowhere to hide bros

Carry on, I still dey around the corner dey read from una

bros, your insistence on being ignorant is apalling but not strange for a mus'lim.
Just do a google search for "letter of barnabas" and "gospel of barnabas". You'll come up with TWO DIFFERENT articles. Infact just to help you save face just click on the links.

Everything is all about "sharing" what they did not help to generate.
No wonder we are so poor.

Cadet enough!

StephenP:
[size=13pt]They say, as quiet as a mouse. Why the hell don't you be like your species and shut the Bleep up. Seriously. You are retarded and pissing me off right now.[/size]

i wave a white flag. Pls let poor dangermouse be, he has learnt his lesson.

@ dangermouse oya say thank you to me for my roadmap to peace.

dangermolue pele o.
Its never wise to fight a fine boy and his bevy of chics.   Lesson learnt my boi.

stillwater:
Jealousy, I presume?

jealousy of wetin?  

stephenP shld pick one so all these chics will let us rest haba.  

she hasnt bothered to contact him in 4 months. You cant make urself scarce to someone who doesnt even know you exist.

this people sef.   e-relationships is now the vogue.

na wa o.

Jackal.:
Babes, u will take every shit that comes your way especially when your spouse has the same qualities or more. . . .

Blimey. . . . .what has being British, self-educated, young or whatever has to do with this. . . . .
If u are hoping to go to Nigeria to choose a dude, then expect your toes to be kissed and your spouse to wash your undies.
However, if u are hoping to date a Brit/Nigerian in the UK. . . . .You are just anutha chic around the corner.
There are 66 million Brit citizens in the UK and about 2.2 Brit Nigerian gals that are single. . .so what makes u special. . .

Expect to cook, wash, pound yam in a mortar. . . . . I will even make u grind pepper on a stone and balance a tray on your head to test your Nigerianity.
Take care of the kids with the anticipation of remaining a full house wife and putting your certificates in the bin.
Whats more? Be submissive, respectful and act like a proper well brought up Nigerian woman.
It means kneeling down when u meet me parents and elders of the family. . .

If u can't live with that. . . . .go to the ABBEY.   Better still, marry a white DUDE.

100% in agreement.

too much information, no one asked . . . no one is bothered.