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stephenmorris:
http://justhinkingh..com.ng/2016/08/understanding-concept-of-parallel.html. see my brother i cant be beating round the bush when the article by hahn(copied) has defeated any idea of spiritual husbands and wives so what are we arguing for is that not a fact that has not been challenged or disproved by anyone here

OK

ItsQuinn:
Me I feel friendship is pointless, all i do is to meet people, spend some quality time with them, have fun for the moment and move on. Simple! no stress

Wow, you just got me.

The only difference between Pantheist and Atheist is that Pantheist deify reality.

stephenmorris:
it depends on the scope of your knowledge to conclude if aliens exist or not

So you agree that the reality of some spiritual stuff could also be conditional.

stephenmorris:
ideas are not reality except it is been made into facts,an idea can never become a reality if it doesn't passes though the ''fact stage'' and it therefore remains useless,powerless and becomes nothing

The "fact stage" here is proved by a spiritual/higher/another realm, as claimed by the propagators.
Considering your first quote, why do you rule out the possibility of another reality, since you don't have a complete knowledge of the workings of the natural universe.

And brilliant scientist like Michio Kaku, also consider the possibility of alternate universes, based on ideas, and not any "fact stage" as you put it.

stephenmorris:
the disprove of ''provided evidence'' through logic,intuition and knowledge is what brings about the non existence of things therefore there is no supernatural spouse

**disprove of ''provided evidence''** - there is no provided evidence, only ideas(or workings of the mind, if u please)
Just like one might not be able to prove that is daughter is a LovePeddler, but his mind continues to get "not so concrete ideas" which you can easily disprove.

Following your logic, we can conclude firmly that aliens don't exist.

stephenmorris:
people just talk anyhow without facts and evidence ,just imagine the words of Ishilove,kingebukasblog,Mrpresident1,ranchodas ,,,these guys are all saying real nonsense in my view and that is what jackbizzle his trying to correct and nothing more.
okay where are their evidence?no where to be found .all we ask for is evidence ,give us pictures and videos of a spirit husband or wife lol or something else as long as its evidence not hearsay
no offence @ishilove;but you should learn to reason, seek evidence and knowledge before believing things such as the crap you have been supporting

Ya, but lack of evidence does not completely disprove an idea, except the evidence is in direct contrast to the idea.
Not that i'm saying i believe in spiritual spouses.

Chubhie:
What were your wonderful personal external experiences?What were the things that didn't add up?

Let me not type too much stories. Have u ever researched on Placebo healing, Chi energy, Beijing Medicineless Hospital,..., what do you think?, because this 'basically' covers most of what i'm going to say anyway.

I'm hardly one that argues spiritual things with the uninitiated but very open to lead one to first experience same then the discussion can have meaning.

Ya sure, but the experiences you derive from your initiation, could be complicated natural phenomenon.

Have you tried Islam?

Nope.
Does this answer my question of Jesus being one of many paths and not "the right path"?

peculiar32:
I never did

OK then you won't go to HELL.

KingEbukasBlog:
Why that ?

"Only the creator of man has the right to determine what's morally right or wrong." - KingEbukasBlog
Do you mind explaining, with "facts" not "faith"?

So which do you subscribe to , objective or subjective morality

Subjective.

Sorry bro

KingEbukasBlog:
This conclusion was drawn from your perspective of morality . Only the creator of man has the right to determine what's morally right or wrong.

Why?

I think you meant that subjective morality is validated by conscious or subconscious reasons gotten from human interactions

Yes

Still didn't see '4kings' there

JackBizzle:
Okay, then I also only consider the possibility of God/Angels/Spirit spouses. I don't believe in them.


So you now agree that God is only a possibility?


Checkmate!

Yes i do, Sincerely.

KingEbukasBlog:
Does it look like I'm being jocular

And why did you choose Aristotelian standards ?

It agrees with human psychology

@emboldened text - Well that means a thief can justify his actions and will see himself as morally upright

Give up bro . Your flawed logic is glaring

Considering human psychology, i doubt (in most cases), that a thief can justify his actions. Even if morality is subjective, the important factor is that "good or bad" is defined by conscious or subconscious reasons gotten from human interactions.

Still does not ring a bell , a strong tintinnabulation would do though

For as it is written: “What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived”, will be revealed to only a few beforehand.

JackBizzle:


Really, so tell me in detail why you do not believe in the Lochness Monster. Keep in mind that people do!

I consider the possibility of its existence, i don't believe in it. Just like aliens.

KingEbukasBlog:
Buddha lived a life he believed was morally upright . Most of these people who lived their lives without God must have a made a lifetime subscription to subjective morality .

Are u kidding me?

And see how your belief gets destroyed , by whose standards were their lives deemed morally upright ?

Yours ?

Aristotelian standards buttressed with personal reason.

I still don't know who 4kings is

It is an alias for the ONE sent to make the world a better place.

JackBizzle:
Really? Replace "spiritual spouses" with "tooth fairy", "barney", "harry potter" or "father christmas" and then see how silly the thought is-

Woolgathering ideas are different from those people actually believe even if some are wrong.(at least something led the MIND to think that way)
So it's not a silly thought, it's more of being open-minded, except you have ABSOLUTE PROOF that there is nothing more to the natural system we know.

peculiar32:
true

but not this way

Don't Question the ways of the Lord thy God.

Ranchhoddas:
Is categorically declaring that there are no such things as spiritual spouses not an arrogant display of infinite knowledge?

Nice thought.

KingEbukasBlog:
Gandhi lived a life of austerity and this is not tantamount to being moral . And I don't know who 4kings is

Chai, always looking for faults.
I'm very sure if i mention Bill Gates, you would also tell me things that i don't want to know. Anyways i believe some people live(or most of the time try to live) a true moral life, like Buddha and the rest.

How can u know the Holy-spirit and not know 4kings, i guess u are weak in faith, open your spiritual eyes.

KingEbukasBlog:
Fear is of the devil

SMH

KingEbukasBlog:
There is no morality without God

Come on, you know this is crap.
Ever heard of Ghandi or 4kings

KingEbukasBlog:
How ?

I believe u understand, but i just don't get why u do not accept and i constantly try to get it out from u but i can't (yet).
Maybe u have a "Pride" or "Emotional(Fear)" problem.

Chubhie:
I've through my experiences explained to you that Christ or mohammed is not the only way to access spiritual powers.

Anyone telling you otherwise is myopic.

How do you know you ain't deluded? Personally, when I get drunken in the holy ghost it is beyond madness,being possessed with a spirit other than your normal self.

You practically elevates beyond the material and enter realms! This is not peculiar to conscious Christians alone. your local babalawo,witch,wizard,warlock,psychic,creative people,business people etc enter these realms to access inspired ideas,messages and then translate them into physical manifestations. Plato's world of forms captures this angle well.

Most times, I amuse myself when the dust of my madness settles. You have every right to call me deluded.cool.

How do know what I'm saying is a real deal? Thomas negal explains this in What It Feels like To Be A Bat. You MUST become this bat to experience it. You MUST declare for Jesus Christ before I give you next directions or you knock yourself out through other means.

This choice is exclusively yours alone.

Hmmm, let me break it down
>>>Access to spiritual realm: I understand that you think Jesus is not the only way. But please make yourself clear; are you part of those guys that think Jesus is the "Good path" and others are "Wrong or inspired of the devil" OR you just believe Jesus is one of the effective means like the Gnostics.

>>> Delusion: What i'm trying to say is that I've you ever considered alternate explanations and thought of them critically(that is if you know of them). I once was born-again in a christian university, i sincerely took the Bible and the "seemingly spiritual stuff" seriously, i had many wonderful personal and external experiences, but like i said before, somethings didn't add up and i started looking for explanations from mentors and different mediums until i found different reasonable explanations for some of the most convincing events i held strongly.
So on this note i repeat, "I've you ever considered alternate explanations and thought of them critically", if yes and you are not a Gnostic or something similar, then atleast share why.
NB I'm not an atheist, i'm more of an "Agnostic Deist", so i am open to any explanation as long as it allows scrutiny.

Your answer to the "Why" question will determine whether i accept Christ or not.

Ishilove:
You are dumber, HardMirror for believing that everything can be 'logically' explained. There is no limit to your dumbness indeed. It is encrypted in your DNA.

Anything can be logically explained when there is enough information on the subject.

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Chubhie:
It is very simple.Just a declaration of faith like is obtainable in the Islamic section after which I give you guidelines on the next steps to take.

I've done that already in times past and i didn't get out because i was angry(like most christian on NL assume) but because i was getting alternative explanations/understanding of things i thought were spiritual/happened.
That's why i asked before that how can u be sure u are not deluded, so i need a reasonable explanation before i accept any thing.
From your OP i thought you were coming from the angle of quantum physics and consciousness or Gnosticism since you didn't explicitly declare Christ or Muhammad as the "only way".

Chubhie:
Which are you? An atheists?satan worshipper? Do you wish for Christ to reveal himself to you? You will have to authorise me before I proceed.

I'm a freethinker, and i quite accept the Gnostic view of Christ, i'm just trying to get your view since i sense you are coming from a different angle from mainstream christainity (i guess).
And how would Christ reveal himself to me?

Woww i didn't know this

you can use kivy framework for mobile development in python.
Blender3d is also pretty cool and scripting is done using python.

KingEbukasBlog:
Does Mark Zuckerberg launch polemics and impious attacks on religious people , yes or no ?

What are u trying to get at with this question?

HarkymTheOracle:
Went to my cousin's place last weekend and my aunt gave me #5,200, I prostrated flat thanking her & she said. "bami fun mummy e ni 5k, iwo mu 200"

hahaha

Anas09:
Try making sense.

What don't u get?

The Bible and Plagiarism.

You can also watch this video for more info https://youtu.be/D7YHOCZqV2E