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@Novocock

You can't make any sense to save your life.Go home and finger yourself,piece of fecal-brained oxygen thief.

Look at all these pigs talking nonsense.When Utd was sodomising their team without lubricants,hitting 4 past them,they didn't have anything to say except go home and cry their pathetic selfs to sleep.Idiots.

That ref is bloody bastard.He doesn't need glasses,he needs a guide dog.

The game is over,good luck to Pompey.Hope they win rather Chelski.

As for these bandwagon jumping pedarasts from the Emirates masturbating on this thread,you know you will end the season empty handed. bleeping schmucks.

Look at all these bastards. Even Gaynners like Anal 40 dey talk.His team's idea of a treble is going 3 years without a trophy.Slimy cunts.

Just look at Doyin. . . .wowo bastard!Since when must Utd win every trophy? Who has ever won a treble in the Serie A,Bundesliga,La Liga or EPL apart from United?

We are still going to win the EPL.This is similar to being knocked out of the Carling Cup.Things like this happen.Still better than all these dcikheads wey dey follow useless teams.

RichyBlacK:
Ol boy keep quiet if you no know wetin you dey talk. Isn't it your heros in Washington DC that have funded and supported all the Arab tyrants, including Saddam? Na big "WA" for you!

So the Arab Govts are automatons merely doing the bidding of the US?It was the US that funded Sudan's demolition of South Sudan and Darfur? Was it the US that helped Assad of Syria conduct the massacres he did?For instance,Hama massacre

The US is at once blamed not only for its own actions but for the actions of Arab Govts.Ridiculous.

Tornadoz:
Never mind them starting an "operation" to flush out terrorist conveniently when peace meetings are been held.

Palestinians started firing rockets the very day Israel pulled out of Gaza.If they were so concerned about peace,maybe they shouldn't have given hawkish elements within Israel any excuse to mount an operation.Do they have a legal obligation to fire rockets? Is life better in Gaza, where their chief export is rockets,than in the West Bank which rarely 'exports' such if at all?

Tornadoz:
In your warped mind you think firing pre-historic rockets is worse than flying 10,000 feet above ground to carpet bomb any one within reach. I hope you actually see the moment of impact with families running for shelter. I bet you don't get to see that on Fox news?

You sound like a doofus.If Israel was carpet bombing the West Bank and Gaza,trust me,there would be a lot more than 7000 dead in 7years+.(Never mind that most Palestinian dead are armed militants)

You either don't know what carpet bombing is or you are being dishonest.When Arab Govts faced revolts in their countries,they completely leveled civilian areas killing thousands,often within days(ask the residents of Halabja) These Govts didn't even have a fraction of the weapons at the disposal of Israel.

RichyBlacK:
You're pathetic at using numbers to support your argument.

On economic comparisons you compared Israel with Western nations with glee, but in discussing the brutality of the IDF in terms of killing innocent civilians and targeting women and children, you compare with so-called Third World nations. How so convenient.

In economic comparisons,I compared Israel with its Arab neighbors.That being said,lets look at the record of Western nations in conflict.Look at the US and NATO in Iraq and Afghanistan.Historically;France in Vietnam and Algeria,Portugal's war in Angola, never mind the 2nd World War.The civilian death tolls are staggering.

You have effectively conceded that Israel's killing ratio is incomparable with that of 3rd world nations,which 'begs the question' why you single it out for special criticism in the midst of more atrocious mayhem in many parts of the world(Darfur,South Sudan,DRC Congo,Chechnya e.t.c)

I remember you not being moved by the deaths of 100,000 Chechens since 2000 in that Putin thread but you will hyperventilate over 7,000 dead in Palestine since 2000-bizarre to say the least.A Brazilian once noted that a child is more likely to killed in the favellas of Rio de Janeiro than in Gaza,that gave me food for thought.

Tornadoz:
The onus is on you to produce Jewish casulties in this one sided conflict, or doesn't your ghoulish nature accept Jewish images.

In your warped reasoning,the side with the least casualties are ipso facto the aggressors.Historically,this will lead to absurd conclusions.

Tornadoz:
A school of thought now believe Hitler knew these creatures better than the rest of us.

This is the product of a putrid and twisted mentality.I suppose Hitler was also demonstrating greater "knowledge" when he was mistreating black people? No wonder you were quoting neo-Nazis from the National Alliance as credible sources of information.

Tornadoz:
This is rich coming from someone who wouldn't believe speeches made by former Israeli leaders. You really want me to believe this "photoshop" doctored images produced by the IDF? Pull another one.

Is there a conflict you know of in the history of mankind where there were zero civilian deaths? If you know one,please tell us.Simply telling us about Palestinian civilian death is applesauce,such is the nature of military conflicts.Unless there is evidence that civilian deaths amongst Palestinians is disproportionate,you need to keep quiet.

In the Nigeria-Biafra war,lasting only 3 years,hundreds of thousands died .Since the latest intifada started,about 7000 Palestinians have died,over 7 years.In DRC Congo,over 3million have died.In Darfur since 2003,150,000 have died.

However you look at it,unless you can establish that Palestinian civilian deaths is disproportionate,I don't know whether you were expecting zero civilian deaths in a conflict situation.

All these hypocrites whinging about Israeli occupation,in addition to the innumerable occupations in the Middle-East,they have failed to notice Iranian occupation of Arab territory.Quite frankly,most people in the world have barely noticed.

[url]http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PzsF8aDYeuYC&pg=PA315&lpg=PA315&dq=iran's+occupation+of+arab+islands&source=web&ots=CpJvjSYqxj&sig=yWic7FfgmmDDScWjAFE8C4vBDog&hl=en[/url]

Tornadoz:
I'd buy you the ticket myself if you're willing to travel to Israel. Who in their right mind would travel to a war zone. You seem to believe the brochure by the Jewish travel industry. You don't expect them to say otherwise, do you?

You are steeped in ignorance.I have people who have been to Israel or live there,you are more likely to be shot in the state of Washington than in Israel.War zone indeed,how many people have been killed in Israel this year?The situation is not ideal but tourists still fly in in there millions.

RichyBlacK:
How about cultural development,

What is that? Israel is a democracy that respects the rights of women and has a vibrant literary and art culture.Its neighbors are still steeped in arranged marriages,honor killings,religious fundamentalism,dictatorship and mind numbing poverty.

tourism

Israel is one of the largest tourist attractions in the world and tourism constitutes a significant chunk of its economy.When was the last time someone went to Gaza on holiday?

perception of Israelis in the wider world (do you know how unsafe Israelis feel holding their Israeli passport and traveling not on any of the Israeli airlines)

As opposed to the favorable perception of Arab M'uslims around the world? Or is it even the perception of us Nigerians

socio-cultural interaction with its neighbors

Are its neighbors better? Lebanon is riven by conflict between Shias,Christians and Sunnis.Syria has seen conflict between Alawites and non-Alawites,Kurds and Arabs.Jordan has seen conflicts between Palestinian refugees and other native Jordanians.Each of these conflicts has claimed thousands of lives.When the Arabs learn to live at peace with each other,their nearest of neighbors,you can then lecture Israel about interaction with its Arab neighbors.

RichyBlacK:
4 play,
The question is how does Israel get out of this 60-year siege? Do you have any ideas on this? Are you aware that the this problem has stunted the growth of Israel? Can you imagine what Israel would have been without this tench-mentality that its leaders have relied upon for too long?

If its "stunted growth" you are worried about,worry more about Israel's Arab neighbors.Apart from the oil rich Gulf Arab states,for obvious reasons,Israel's GDP per capita dwarfs that of its Arab neighbors by large margins and is comparable to Western nations.

So,worry about the "stunted growth" in belligerent Arab states first before worrying about an economically and technologically advanced nation like Israel.

I don't think such a person even exists.Even assessing wealth in Nigeria is a near impossible task.Most billionaires of that age in the West tend to be "tech-entrepreneurs" like Mark Zuckerberg

Our tech industry is not that buoyant so I can't see how else a 23 year old living in Nigeria could acquire 1.2bn Naira unless it was inherited.

Its about $10m. . . .many Nigerian sportsmen are worth that and more in their youth.

4Him:
Bros, be honest . . . we can't just wish away a declaration of intent in favour of "what they can potentially do".

Its not just a mere declaration of intent but a policy position that has been put in practice by Hamas since its inception.For instance,during and after the Oslo Accords' adoption,Hamas intensified their terror campaign in order to sink the deal.

Its not a negotiating position nor some mere rhetorical declaration but something which is a product of a particular interpretation of their religion.It is this intransigent position that many rabid Israel haters seek to wish away as not really important. I wonder if they will be saying that if the ruling Israeli party had in its constitution,a declaration that the Palestinians had no right to statehood.

Kobojunkie:
LMAO!!!! The Sort of things people react to and they way they do never ceases to amaze me. We have a Billionaire and potentially another one who is a 23 year old and we are rejoicing?? LMAO!! In a country where over 75 million are considered VERY POOR as in less than a dollar a day and who knows how many millions are on the POOR list as in a dollar a day, we rejoice that we have a billionaire, I have to confess, I don't know how to, LMAO!!

That the 23 year old allegedly is a billionaire(albeit in Naira terms)is not necessarily a bad thing.Actually,its good.The problem we have is the likes of Dangote who acquired their wealth through "unwholesome" means.How much of Dangote's alleged wealth is actually his and not mere fronts for pilfering ex-Nigerian leaders and military generals? Celebrating Dangote's wealth or any such wealth is tantamount to celebrating the looting and brigandage that has left Nigeria in its current state.

damola1:
Well,, in his footsteps there's another young Nigerian, Adeola, a 23 yr old, he is said to be Nigeria's youngest self made billionaire, worth an estimated: 1.2B naira!!!!,

Nigeria is on fire!!!

1.2bn Naira? What is the equivalent in US dollars? I'm sure there are many Nigerian sports men who are or were worth that already in their 20s.

RichyBlacK:
You should first compare George W. Bush to Hitler before comparing Hamas. Why should Hamas recognize the state of Israel when Israel does not recognize it?

What a mangled comparison.If Hamas didn't recognise say Likud or the Labor party,that would be the equivalent of Israel not recognising Hamas.Hamas is a Palestinian organisation not the Palestinian state.

Further,don't cry more than the bereaved.Hamas has never for one moment hinged their non-recognition of the right of Israel to exist on grounds of Israel's failure to recognise it.It hinges its policy totally on theological grounds-that you can't have an infidel state on M'uslim land-hence raising Israel's non-recognition of Hamas is a red herring.

RichyBlacK:
@4 Play,

This you new-found admiration and respect of international law possess you is an about-face much welcomed. Though I'm a bit surprised because you've shown much disdain towards international law, particularly when the law does not suit your interests.

Seeing that you now respect international law, can you tell me why you support Israel's refusal to obey UN resolution 242, a piece of international law?

Look at this hypocrite.For someone who doesn't care about Iran's disobedience of 2 Cap 7 Resolutions,he is bringing up a Cap 6 Resolution that places no unilateral obligations on Israel.

Who is mentioning Queiroz as a possible replacement for Fergie? Please,don't even bring him up.That someone is an exceptional talent spotter doesn't make one a top class EPL manager.

Being a good manager entails many things other than a good eye for young talents and tactical nous.Its even arguable that Fergie doesn't have much of either.The key thing is your man management skills.This is what differentiates the best from the rest.

The ability to motivate your players,gain and maintain their respect while guiding them through the right path.This is Fergie's key strength.Queiroz has never demonstrated any of these qualities. . . . .that is why he has never been much of a success as a manager in the first place.

Whether managing South Africa or Real Madrid,he never demonstrated the leadership that you associate with the likes of Fergie and Capello.He is good at what he does,being just a team coach and nothing more.

How we handle Fergie's replacement determines whether we are going to end up like Liverpool post-Daglish or Lyon post-Santini.The key thing is whether we go for a young manager a la Fergie in '86 who will be there for the long term or any world class manager we can find despite his age.I lean towards the former.

My top 3 favorites at the moment are Jose Mourinho,Mark Hughes and Thomas Schaaf of Werder Bremen.Each is outstanding in his own way.

If however,we do want preserve our cavalier attacking traditions. . . . .Schaaf is the man.I like Hughes because he is a Man Utd legend and will be loyal to the club.Not too sure about Jose's loyalty and his eccentric character undermines his other qualities.

Na drive-by toasting or ride-by toasting.

Before this news,did you guys know about the British Parliamentary Debate? Why would people expect such news story to be broadcast on CNN and the BBC? As if they were broadcasting past winners and suddenly became silent this year.

JayFK is conflating the Mandate of Palestine with what we now know as Palestine.The two are different.

No shit? Thats your argument? That I stated WWII instead of I? After WWII Hitler had killed of a lot of Jews, so they obviously needed to make a quick decision.

My friend,you made a misleading summary about the origin of the State of Israel tracing it to post WWII decisions by Britain and France.Stop trying to obfuscate issues.

It was known as the British Mandate of Palestine. It was supposed to be a joint Jewish/Palestinian state. The Arab league rejected the deal but Israel declared Her independence anyway.

See how you are tieing yourself in a knot.4Him already pointed things out for you.There was no Palestinian state in 1948 or ever.If you are pointing at the British Mandate of Palestine as your Palestinian state,you must be having a laugh.

As for the Arabs rejecting a deal,therein lies the answer to the root of the problem.Since when did the consent of any particular people,in this case the Arabs,become a pre-condition for the creation of a state?

This is how Africans deceive themselves.You are asking for Arab consent,in our continent,did the colonial masters ever seek our consent in manufacturing nation states?

We just saw what happened in Kosovo,nobody sought the Serbs permission to carve out from their land,what historically has been their cultural and religious home.

All this is in many way besides the point.The creation of the state of Israel was approved by the UN,it wasn't open for the Arabs to reject it.At no point in history has it been open to any particular people to reject as they please,what is mandated by law.

Again, No shit? What does this have to do with this argument anyways? You do know Arabs are Semitic peoples right?

You raised the point that "the jihad foundation has flourished there ever since." Jihad has been 'flourishing' in that part of the world for centuries,indeed,it was jihad that brought the Arabs to what we refer to as Palestine in the first place.

As for the Arabs being Semitic,what has that to do with anything.Are Tigrinyans in Ethiopia also entitled to "Palestine" as much as the Jews because they are Semitic?

There's indigenous Gypsies in more than 5 Eastern European Countries, What's your point, that the UN can just carve out a state for them without approval from the neighboring Nations and They can just declare independence without their approval and the west would accept it? C'mon dude. Listen I'm not against Israel's right to exist, but a deal should have been reached with the Palestinian Arabs/Palestinians who were the majority ethnic group living there before Independence was declared.

Never mind that the Gypsies are mostly Romani people who migrated from India,you are ahistorical in your approach.

As for the UN simply carving out land without the permission of neighboring nations,which neighboring nation are you refering to?As Bawomolo asked you,where our neighbors asked before carving out Nigeria?That part of the world was at that point colonial territory,just like nobody's permission was ever sought in creating nation states in the African colonial territories,same applied there.

A deal was reached and approved by the UN.Its not open to one group of people to simply say,we reject the decision of the international community under the auspices of the UN and we are going to obstruct it no matter what.

Ironically,today many Arabs are willing to accept much lesser land than they were originally offered.Unlike the Kurds,Berbers,Nubians et al whom the Arabs have historically bashed to submission,the Jews proved a more obstinate neighbor.

JayFK:
Now Hitler one day thinks to himself "why not conquer the world and Kill all the Jews?" so he attempts to annihilate the Jews living in Europe, with his trusty sycophant Himmler and the psychopath Mengele, of course he fails being the incompetent dictator that he is. So post WWII, Britain being the genius that She is, said to herself and France, "why not settle this diaspora of Jews in the middle east? Sure we can displace the people who have been living there for the past half millennium, because of course in the Bible says Palestine is the home of the Israelites right and the Bible is always right, right?"

Post World War II? Your attempt at a historical synopsis was purely comedic.WWII ended in 1945,only someone who is ahistorical would trace Jewish migration to post WWII.

"Israel" has only existed since 1948

Has there ever been a state called Palestine?

And of course the J'ihad foundation has flourished there since then. Arabs are just mad because they think Jerusalem is their "Holy City"

Jihad has flourished only since 1948? Was it not through Jihad that the Arabs settled the land in the first place centuries ago?

Sure i sympathize with the Jews for their situation, but I do not agree with the decision made, taking away the Land from one group and giving it to the other.

You speak as if Jewish presence there is entirely new.There has been a continuous Jewish indigenous presence going back more than 2 millenniums ,even predating the Arab presence.