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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Manchester United Fan thread: Forever Reds by 4Play(m): 3:45pm On Mar 18, 2008
So na only when you get 6ft tall strikers you suppose bother about the quality of the crossing? Otherwise,Brown can keep launching the ball into the opposite cornerflag.

A well delivered cross can cause enough mayhem in the box for even "midgets" like Rooney and Tevez to capitalise on.These people have been scoring goals from crosses so I no know wetin you dey yarn.

How many headed goals has Kanu delivered for your team sef?
PoliticsRe: Obama Faces Potential Damage From His Pastor's Comments by 4Play(m): 3:41pm On Mar 18, 2008
JayFK:
I think he has already distanced himself from the comments his pastor made. Hey but at least with this, no one still thinks he is M'uslim.
Distancing himself isn't sufficient.He said this man is his spiritual mentor and personally decided to join this particular church.Does it mean that for those 2 decades,he wasn't aware of the Pastor's incendiary remarks?

It is said that he named his book,The Audacity of Hope ,after one of Rev Wright's speeches.All of a sudden,he is seeking distance now that the Rev's remarks have been exposed.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Manchester United Fan thread: Forever Reds by 4Play(m): 3:36pm On Mar 18, 2008
@Emperoh

Neville's return is the best news.Brown is a good defender but his attacking play is appalling.United is an attacking side,hence we need players who can do that well.

Its because of Gary Neville's absence that Brown felt he can hold the club hostage with his insane salary demands.

Ryan and Scholes' aging problem won't be felt as much.We have more than enough cover in the positions they play.The only problem is that Fergie has a soft spot for them. . . . . .he keeps featuring them in crucial games when they should belong to United's 2nd string side.

My problem with starting our key players almost all the time is what happened last towards the end of last season.By the time the Milan game arrived,most of our players were totally knackered.Look at that 2nd leg,Milan's aging players were outrunning our boys.

If we want to win the UCL,fitness is key. If we have to feature all our Big Guns against the likes of Bolton,then we have no hope of winning the EPL and the UCL.
PoliticsRe: Obama Faces Potential Damage From His Pastor's Comments by 4Play(m): 3:25pm On Mar 18, 2008
The fact remains that Obama has run his campaign on the basis that he is a uniter who transcends racial and identity politics.Yet,here you find Obama joining and attending a church that thrives on racial polarisation.

The Rev,who he calls his spiritual mentor,produces vile sermons that are unbecoming of a Christian clergy man.What is Christian clergy man doing with Louis Farrakhan? Claiming that the AIDS virus was produced by white America and
all sorts of kooky nonsense.

If Obama wants to be a Black leader in the mold of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson,he is free to belong to any church he wants to.However,if he wants to be the leader of America,you can't belong to an organisation that thrives on racial/identity politics.
SportsRe: Tiger Woods Greatest Athlete Of All Time by 4Play(m): 2:44pm On Mar 18, 2008
@Poster

Did you see how he holed that 21 yarder in the final moment at the A.Palmer Championship? That man has nerves of steel! He is the greatest living sports man.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Manchester United Fan thread: Forever Reds by 4Play(m): 2:25pm On Mar 18, 2008
I got some good news yesterday.Silvestre is ready to feature for the reserves on Thursday.This is fantastic news as he gets to relieve the pressure on Evra.We have had no cover at left-back for months,apart from John O'Sh*t.

Gary Neville is also ready to be included in the squad against Bolton.This is also fantastic news.Just at the right time,we are getting all our players back.

Fergie shouldn't start all the best players on Wednesday.We need to pace ourselves for the business end of the season so that we don't tire out like last season.

Ronaldo,Vidic and Rooney should be rested on the bench.We have more than enough players to get a home win against Bolton.
Foreign AffairsRe: British Authorities Have Gone Mad by 4Play(m): 2:14pm On Mar 18, 2008
bawomolo:
people are born gay whether u like it or not.
I actually wonder about these people that imply that someone can be encouraged or made to be gay.Are they saying that if they had a particular upbringing or background,they could have ended up gay?

I'm against legalising homosexual marriages but its hard to claim that children can be made to be gay.
FoodRe: Pure Now Ten Naira. by 4Play(m): 4:41am On Mar 18, 2008
nwando:
are you sure it's not from nike lake ?
All those pure water sachets wey dey like aquarium.

@Topic

This is a historic occasion."Pure" water for 10N,shocking,this could bring down the Govt. grin
PoliticsRe: Can Someone Pls Give Me Yara'dua's Email Addresss? by 4Play(m): 4:27am On Mar 18, 2008
Doesn't Geometric's power project in Abia predate Yar'Adua's ascension to power ?
Christianity EtcRe: Christian Songs by 4Play(m): 1:05am On Mar 18, 2008
doyin13:
I remember what Jesus said in err. . . .is it Matthew or Isiah chapter errrrr

neway. . . .Come ye all woman wrappers and errrr. . . . .

Neway you get my drift.
So no prejudge me abeg. . . .I love the Lord
Are you talking of St Paul's Letter to the Agbayas?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (Old) by 4Play(m): 8:13pm On Mar 17, 2008
grin grin

Loyika whining like a bitch on NL because of the grief he is getting on the sports thread? Tell me something new.

Damn. . . . .all it takes is one disappointing weekend for the Gaynners to resort to type.When they were screaming,"Ali must go!",all through out last season,little did they know Ali will come back to help deny them 5 crucial points.Ali has effectively,singlehandedly,denied them the title. grin

This guy is the greatest Ali since Mo'hammed Ali.

The Arse have shown that they lack the fortitude to win the League.This is a problem that can be traced to Wenger.His managerial competence in that regard,mental preparation,must be called into question.

Gaynners shouldn't be whining yet. . . . . .worse is yet to come.Imagine what will happen when they collapse to 3rd place. grin grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Manchester United Fan thread: Forever Reds by 4Play(m): 2:22am On Mar 17, 2008
ruthty:
@all
didn't i tell u about foster that guy is great. if he gets more games under his belt i assure u guys he is going to be better than our own van. grin grin
The great thing about Foster is that not only does he make good saves,he is capable of making 50-60 yard passes.At Watford,he was notable for being able to launch quick counter-attacks by finding teammates with accurate long distance passes.

If he had been fit all the while,he would have been our No1.

For those saying Fergie made the wrong selections.Remember we have to rotate the squad to keep players fit for the coming 2 months.It was around April last year that fatigue started getting to the boys.By the time they played Milan,very few of them had the stamina to run for 90 mins.

You don't want to end up like Arsenal whose players are obviously totally knackered with 2 months to go.

PS:Any news concerning Mikael Silvestre ?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (Old) by 4Play(m): 12:32am On Mar 17, 2008
Vieira:
Point of correction to you: You CANNOT be offside if the opposing player plays the ball to you.
Boateng played the ball to Adebayor, so how could he be offhuh?
Some people watch their football on the TV while Software watches his football on the radio.
Ade was interfering with play.Its because of his presence that the Boro defence line moved up. grin

See these people dey find excuse for not beating Boro at home.Una no get shame? grin
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Foreign Reserves Rise To 58.3 Bln Dlrs(results?) by 4Play(m): 4:08am On Mar 16, 2008
@SkyBlue

Accountability has nothing to do with regionalisation.You were talking about regional competition as if that were a panacea to our problems.Corruption is not about whether you are running a federal or unitary state.I tend to think there is actually more opportunity for corruption with decentralisation.Diversifying the power structure simply means diversifying the avenues for enrichment.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Foreign Reserves Rise To 58.3 Bln Dlrs(results?) by 4Play(m): 3:58am On Mar 16, 2008
Doyin,you still want more? grin

Origins of gross domestic product 2005(a)
Agriculture (excl livestock) 38.6
[url]http://www.economist.com/countries/Nigeria/profile.cfm?folder=Profile-Economic%20Structure[/url]
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Foreign Reserves Rise To 58.3 Bln Dlrs(results?) by 4Play(m): 3:51am On Mar 16, 2008
doyin13:
hmmm. . , 17.6 %

a bit too much to be honest

agriculture is as overated as Mode 9 cheesy
I actually found it too little compared to the figures I am used to.See this:
In 2006, oil accounted for just over one fifth of GDP, 85% of government revenue and over 90% of export earnings. Agriculture accounted for around 40% of GDP, the services sector for just over 30% and manufacturing 5% of GDP.
http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029394365&a=KCountryProfile&aid=1019744984923
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Foreign Reserves Rise To 58.3 Bln Dlrs(results?) by 4Play(m): 3:48am On Mar 16, 2008
GDP - composition by sector:
agriculture: 17.6%
industry: 53.1%
services: 29.3% (2007 est.)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/ni.html
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Foreign Reserves Rise To 58.3 Bln Dlrs(results?) by 4Play(m): 3:43am On Mar 16, 2008
Sky Blue:
@4Play, i don't believe there is anywhere on this thread i was talking about shifting resources about. Wasn't the north producing some food for the country decades ago? So why can't they go back to agriculture? Why are we so quick to jump unto the whole splitting up thing? If Nigeria was well run would we be calling for a split? I hope we are not confusing our hate for the Nigerian leadership with our hate for Nigeria. Of course if you develop an area people will flock there, it is only natural. But if you spread the development, which can only happen simultaneously in our current disposition if states start working instead of waiting for oil revenue, then there will be development and growth in more areas. Hence population won't just flock to one area, but can flock to more areas, and even with that more people compared to now can carve out a career in their own regions instead of thinking they have to go to lagos or abujja to "make it". if we had competition between regions, this could drive economic development.
The agricultural sector in the North is far bigger now than in the 60s.A significant chunk of Nigeria's GDP is down to agriculture and much of that is based in the North so there you go.Most of the GDP growth we have been having in recent years(post-Abacha) has been down to non-oil growth and a lot of that comes from Northern agriculture.

That Northern agriculture is still there and you are still complaining. grin However,any policy change,in the name of regional competition, that means shifting money out of the North won't help matters.It will worsen things for the North and for the country as a whole.

I don't understand how you intend to achieve this competition between regions without implementing resource control which will necessarily entail shifting spending from one region to another.

We should be thinking of how we can compete with the rest of the world not how we can compete with each other.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Foreign Reserves Rise To 58.3 Bln Dlrs(results?) by 4Play(m): 3:28am On Mar 16, 2008
4Him:
4 Play . . . u are right. But oil should have been a catalyst for our development and not the curse it is today.
What the Niger Delta is agitating for is not even 100% control of their resources but 50%.

The idea is to engender some form of competition to drive economic growth. We literarily have no economy right now . . . if oil prices crash to $30/barrel today we'd be in serious trouble.
We have oil and we can't refine a drop! Shame on us . . . we are too busy arguing about sharing the proceeds with no thought for using this extra cash to develop other viable sources of income.
You think the Gov or people of Zamfara will suddenly turn a new leaf and start showing dynamism in economic matters? These are attitudes formed over hundreds of years. If they didn't improve themselves when they had the resources from the South,they won't do so when they don't have any.

Look at the people of Niger Republic,has not having access to oil money changed them? Has it made them more competitive or resourceful ?

All you will get is migration and political instability.As long as we are one country,we either develop together or we stay poor together.You can't starve one region into becoming more resourceful.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Foreign Reserves Rise To 58.3 Bln Dlrs(results?) by 4Play(m): 3:19am On Mar 16, 2008
doyin13:
Okay 4play. . . .what sound economic policies would you suggest for the Naija environment

Maybe that would enlighten us further
The usual medicine-deregulation,privatisation,e.t.c

My view is that as long as we have the North,we can never achieve our full potential.All this talk of shifting spending around from one region to the other won't change anything
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Foreign Reserves Rise To 58.3 Bln Dlrs(results?) by 4Play(m): 3:16am On Mar 16, 2008
Why is a state like Zamfara declaring sharia and then demanding oil funds to pay for an illegal state religious structure that is opposed by the vast majority?
The only solution is to break up the country.You can't force change by shifting spending from one area to the other.As long as we are in the same country,we are stuck in the same boat.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Foreign Reserves Rise To 58.3 Bln Dlrs(results?) by 4Play(m): 3:13am On Mar 16, 2008
doyin13:
4play. . . . . .You are beginning to sound like a Bolshevik

'The country grow together'. When that one start.

There is simply no way, around it. Uniform development of all the regions is nigh impossible.
One region will always develop faster than the other.
It is in this instance that your libertarianism tendencies come in handy.

If we accept that everybody cannot come up together. . . .the most important thing then is to make the
richer regions as rich as possible and then it can drip down to the poorer regions.
Its not about about uniformity of development,its the simple reality of belonging to one country.If Country A has $100bn to spend annually. It spends $60bn in the North and $40bn in the South where most of the resources come from.If it decides to start spending $90bn on the South,nothing will change as such.Its still 90 + 10 =100.

You guys are thinking that the North will be forced to generate funds to make up for the lost spending.That is not what will happen.If the North didn't develop when you were spending $60bn,it won't develop when you are spending $10bn.You don't generate growth and economic development by investing less.

At some point,people from the North will simply start coming down South in huge numbers and dilute whatever improvements you have in the South for its inhabitants.

How do you grow economies and diversify revenue?Sound economic policies not shifting spending from one region to another.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Foreign Reserves Rise To 58.3 Bln Dlrs(results?) by 4Play(m): 3:03am On Mar 16, 2008
4Him:
4 Play . . . what did we use to build all the structures we had prior to 1966?
We didnt have any oil and each region was forced to fend for itself and we did it quite well. The south was generating close to 3m pounds a yr without a drop of oil by the 50s . . . why can't we do the same?
Japan has not a drop of oil, suffered 2 atomic bombs in 1945 and YET are the world's second largest economy . . . haba!
Every time you step off Lagos Airport and probably have a tour of the country,take a good look around you.How much of the infrastructure you see was built prior to 1966? Far more was built in Nigeria between 1970 to 1980 than was built in the preceding 70 years of the country's existence.

Lets not exaggerate how good things were in the 60s(there is a reason the country degenerated into a civil war)You are talking of an era expectations were lower.Most of the country didn't have electricity,good roads,hospitals,telephones,modern housing,e.t.c.This was an era where the entire University graduands for the Western region for a particular year would number about 400 to 500 people.

We were growing from a very low economic base-what you find in places like S.Leone,Liberia,Mozambique,e.t.c-but it was only untill the discovery of oil that things really kicked off economically. If we had never found oil and continued on that path,we will still be very poor.The 60s are very much exaggerated.

As for Japan,it was already a well developed nation before the 2nd World War,which was why it was able to fight the US and the British Empire to a standstill until Hiroshima and Nagasaki.All that was needed was simply rebuild what was bombed and the country will continue where it stopped.

Japan's story goes to show one thing,the greatest resource a nation has is its human capital.When Nigeria was plodding along with its cocoa and palm oil,how much of our human capital did we develop? The various regions were still producing graduates only in their hundreds after 60 years of Nigeria's birth.

We would have ended up like the various African countries that don't have oil.What will make a difference is sound economic policies not the import-substitution nonsense we were doing in the 60s.Almost all African countries were growing in the 60s,a fallout from growth from the colonial era,but look where they all ended up.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Foreign Reserves Rise To 58.3 Bln Dlrs(results?) by 4Play(m): 2:43am On Mar 16, 2008
doyin13:
The reallocation obviously by itself is not a panacea to our problems. It has to be accompanied by other measures.
And you make it sound like the spending will be a deliberate skewering to favour the Niger Delta.

Such an allocation rejig will only be disentangling the federal allocation mess, allowing local populations to reap the full rewards of their
resources.
I agree that as matter of fairness,oil producing regions should enjoy more of their resources.However,if someone is saying that it will make much positive impacts on their lives,that is demonstrably false.

If you are saying that it will lessen dependence on oil,that is clearly untrue.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Foreign Reserves Rise To 58.3 Bln Dlrs(results?) by 4Play(m): 2:38am On Mar 16, 2008
Sky Blue:
@ 4Play If you read through my posts you will see that i have been encouraging autonomy of states, but what i am saying to you is that you are assuming that the money spent in the north was used for development. If money is not that important then why are we bothered about what happens to foreign reserves? Those states that got all that money are still the way they are because the money was not spent on wisely on the people but instead went into pockets. If the money was spent to generate power for the north, provide good water, you are still saying their lives won't be improved? In an ideal situation states should strive to generate their own revenue and be more active instead of waiting for money, money which if used wisely can make a difference
So you are saying,for instance, that the FCT doesn't have more infrastructure than the 5 Igbo states? All those tarred roads and impressive buildings I see in the North or Abuja came from where?

See what happens.If you take Anambra and the FCT.The FCT's economy is much larger than that of Anambra(there is really little basis for comparison)but are FCT indigenes better off than Anambra indigenes?No. If you spend money in one particular place unlike others,more enterprising people from other regions will simply move and dilute the gains for the locals.

FCT indigenes would have been far better off if very little migration took place but that is impossible.Spend money on Lagos and people will move to Lagos.Spend money on the Niger-Delta and people will move there.

The way to solve the country's problems,especially its dependence on oil,is not to simply shift spending to one particular area but through sound economic policies.Unless you break up the country,the country has to develop together or we won't develop at all.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Foreign Reserves Rise To 58.3 Bln Dlrs(results?) by 4Play(m): 2:27am On Mar 16, 2008
@4Him

Nigeria's dependence on oil is not a problem that will be solved by reshuffling the allocation formular.I think what you are saying is that if the other regions didn't have access to oil revenue,they will be forced to seek other means of raising money with the effect that we have diversification of the economy.

This is akin to shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.The implication of what you are saying is that the way to develop other region's economies is through less public investment.Remove or reduce money they spend on infrastructure-roads,schools,hospitals,public utilities-and these places will blossom economically.

If you actually want to diversify our economy,its about economic reforms-privatisation,deregulation,lower taxes,fighting corruption,e.t.c Simply shifting funding from one place to the other won't achieve the desired purpose.If your suggestion were carried out,Nigerians will simply migrate to the Niger-Delta and dilute whatever gains the local people would have gotten.The Niger-Delta will become like Lagos or Mexico City,huge populations but little difference in living standards for locals.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Foreign Reserves Rise To 58.3 Bln Dlrs(results?) by 4Play(m): 2:09am On Mar 16, 2008
@SkyBlue

If you spend money on a particular region at the expense of others,it won't improve appreciably the living standards of the indigenes of that region any more than that of the others.

This is the reality we have witnessed in Nigeria.Look at all the money spent in the North or in Abuja.Do you think the indigenes are better off than others?

To improve living standards significantly,you have to improve it across the nation.You can't isolate one region within a country and seek to improve its living standard without bothering much about the rest.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Foreign Reserves Rise To 58.3 Bln Dlrs(results?) by 4Play(m): 1:55am On Mar 16, 2008
doyin13:
But I bet the Niger Deltans would rather their environs look like Abuja than what obtains at the moment.
Of course,I know that.Many people have expressed the wish for their region to look like Dubai.I understand the almost vain desire to have your environs littered with concrete structures and "flyovers". That is partly a Nigerian mentality.

However,the average indigene of the area that constitutes the Federal Capital Territory is no where better off than the average indigene of Orumba in Anambra State.The latter has no flyovers or even a single skyscraper in his hometown.

Yes,we can indulge Nigerian's(in this case the Niger-Delta)crave for "good looking environs". The underlying issue still remains-it won't make much of a damn difference to their living standards.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Foreign Reserves Rise To 58.3 Bln Dlrs(results?) by 4Play(m): 1:42am On Mar 16, 2008
For those who say we must spend most of the oil money on the Niger-Delta,in the interest of fairness,we should.But lets consider this.A lot of oil money has been spent on Abuja and Lagos.Are the people of Lagos and Abuja better off than the people of Imo and Abia?

The stats show us that there is less poverty in the South-East region than anywhere else.If receiving Govt money made much of a difference to a people,the North would be the place with the least poverty.The South-East historically receives the least.Take for instance Abuja indigenes,how much better off are they?

My point is that spending oil money generously on the Niger-Delta won't make much of a positive impact on the lives of its indigenes.

The Niger-Delta is part of Nigeria,its indigenes lives won't improve much if the other parts of Nigeria barely improve.The little difference their is in living standards,such as between the South and North,is mainly down to the different cultures(Southerners are better educated and more entrepreneurial).Govt money won't make much of a difference to people's lives.

All the Govt money spent on racial minorities(more per head than other races) in the UK/US barely budges the income inequality.It actually makes things worse.Nigeria won't be any different.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (Old) by 4Play(m): 10:11pm On Mar 15, 2008
@Chacal

I think Wenger will use Ronaldo as a right-back and Saha as a goalkeeper.We can lend them the Mighty Dong Fanghzhou. If the Dong has played the amount of games Walcott and Bendtner have played,he would have a better goals ratio.

How can a team seek to win the EPL with Emmanuel Adebayor as their main striker? grin

Elder Emma ,as he was known in secondary school back in the 80s,doesn't have the stamina to last the whole season.Give the man a break. . . . .his agemates are working on their pension while he is strutting around claiming to be a 23 year old. grin

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