₦airaland Forum

kenshin:
You did not read the story properly, Isreal intends to attack Iran's 3 nuclear facilities using nuclear weapons and not Iran itself.

Ehm,what is the difference?

Those nuclear facilities are based in Iran.It seems to me that if u use tactical nukes on a country's nuclear facilities,that will amount to an attack on the country

@1forall

Don't blame me

Technically the school is not exactly one of the best Unis in the UK

What do u have against going to school with your Africans

It has a lot of Africans,but not on the scale of London South Bank or London Met

Check out the link-[url]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,716,00.html[/url]

Its the most authoritative guide

By the way,weren't there African Christians before most of Europe was evangelised

I am quite aware that there were 3 African Popes early in the Church's history

What about St Augutine ,one of Christianity's foremost theologians,he was an African


Christianity is as much part of the African heritage and it is certainly not an alien religion imposed on us by Caucasians

Saddam presided over one of the most tyraniccal regimes in the 20th century which resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.During his reign of terror,the muslim world kept silent.He was still feted as a hero on account of his anti-american stance

As soon as he was toppled by the Americans,they suddenly discovered a love for the Iraqi people which did not exist before.Suddenly they started noticing that Iraqis were going through a hard time

Were where they during the killings in the 90s?

Where were they when 4,000 Shia families were forcibly removed from Baghdad in 2000 ?

The familiar rebutal is to say that America did nothing before ,as if that excuses the deafeaning silence of the rest of humanity.Remember the US is only one of 190 nations on earth,why didn't anyonelse do anything?

The roots of the present sectarian debacle were laid all those years when atrocities were perpetuated on Shias and Kurds.The idea that since Saddam managed to dampen the sectarian fevor by sheer brutality and so should not have been removed is utterly indefensible

One would not say that since life was better for Black Zimbabweans during White Rule than now then they would have been better of remaining under White Rule.Same apllies to Iraq

I[i]n the Sunday Times today, came the shocking revelations of purpoted plans by Israel to launch strikes on Iran using tactical nuclear weapons

The strike will be an attempt to destroy Iranian nuclear facilities.The reasoning behind the suggestion to use nuclear weapons is that Iranian nuclear facilities are so heavily fortified,that they cannot be easily destroyed with conventional weapons.

If carried out ,this will mark the first use of such weapons since Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Does the threat of Iran going nuclear justify such a highly inflammatory measure?

Would Isreal not be justified in so acting in the light of the spectre of an occurence of a 2nd holocaust created by Mahmoud Ahmedinajad?

I would think that there is a case to be made to use such weapons on Iran

NB:Here is the link to the story-[/i][url]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2535310,00.html[/url]

There is talk that on the Daily Mirror tommorow,there is news that Jose Mourinho will be leaving Chelsea at the end of the season

Apparently his relationship with Roman Abramovich has broken down

Nah,typical; winner behaviour

6 points clear at the top

More trophies in our cabinet than u can dream of

What is there to hate ?

What is that got to do with race?

If it cost more to pay for a hotel room in NIGERIA is that now the whiteman's fault?

Bunch of losers ,this will be the highlight Of Arsenal's season

Back to the issue we were talking about ,there were training camps run by Al Qaeda linked Ansar Al Islam before the war in Northern Iraq near the Iran border.

The spin given today is that Iraq was a bed of roses before the Americans came and spoilt everything

Nobody mentions that at the time Saddam came to power iraq had living standards the same as that of Portugal,by the time he left living standards where down to below levels in Nigeria

Meanwhile he continued to kill Iraqis ,especially Shias and Kurds,

Only the Iraqis who were the victims of Saddam are in the best position to decide his fate and I think they were generally in support of hanging Saddam.My misgivings about the hanging pertain to the speedy and shoddy way it was done.Not even the signature of the 2 vice-presidents required before a hanging were obtained and only the Dujail massacre was considered in court

Funny enough in Dujail,the attempt on Saddam's life was conducted by Maliki's Dawa party.

@Reverend

U keep going on about theses Yahoo boys ,that is only drop in the ocean of fraud perpetrated on Americans

Remember the figure they gave-183 million dollars

E-commerce fraud in the US in 2005 cost about $3 billion ,so 183 million dollars is not exactly a big deal

In the UK fraud alone cost £16 BILLION per annum,about $30 billion of which Nigerian fruadsters are said to cost about £200 million.

Afam:
However, evidence found at a Ansar al-Islam training camp in March indicates that the group had ties to Al Qaeda, but it did not demonstrate a connection to Saddam.

I linked the article primarily because it was anti-Bush piece so that u don't question the source.The important thing was that it acknowledged training camps

i am really enjoying how u are trying to get away from your claim that there were no such training camps

Everyone knows that Ansar Al Islam ran such training camps even critics of the Bush adminstration

Tell me ,did the article say that there were no training camps,it only said that the organisation had no proven links with Saddam

But u in your infinite wisdom ,said this

Afam:
Another clear lie being sold here. Iraq was never a terrorist haven nor was it ever a nation that had training camps for any terrorist groups.

Now far can one go to tell a lie? We have heard enough and are really tired of these blatant lies.

No training camps before the war right?

Mittal won't but up our steel coys,how many reputable foreign investors have actually snapped up any of our privatised state assets?

Afam:
Another clear lie being sold here. Iraq was never a terrorist haven nor was it ever a nation that had training camps for any terrorist groups.

Now far can one go to tell a lie? We have heard enough and are really tired of these blatant lies.

@Afam

Maybe u did not know that Ansar Al Islam had training camps in Northern Iraq before the war- http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20031107.htmlI decided to get you a link from an article critical of Bush so u don't make excuses about the source .U can research further on Ansar Al islam at your leisure

When u have finished reading on Ansar Al Islam ,I will like to hear your excuses as to why u thought it was a blatant lie that no terror organisation had training camps in Iraq before the war

Lets face the facts,the prescence of Onyiuke and those other bank chiefs on the board of Transcorp is a disgrace.This will not be tolerated in a any civilised country.

People keep waving the patriotic flag as if buying into a coy set up partly with embezzled funds makes u patriotic.

The problem with the coy is not that it is tied to PDP but that it is tied to OBJ who is leaving office very soon .

Had the coy a busineess history we can look at,we could have been rest assured about its capabilities for the futureProblem is ,it has no track record,no trading history.We are simply supposed to buy up because prominent Nigerians have done

@Tayo Akin

Hasn't Dangote resigned from the board of Transcorp?http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=65501

Some folks suggest that the abscence of suicide bombings in Iraq before the invasion means that Iraq was not a terrorist haven which is a wonderful way of reasoning.By that same logic the abscence of such suicide bombings in Afghanistan before 9/11 means that Afghanistan was not a terrorists haven before 9/11

We can ignore the fact that terrorists set up training camps and operated with total impunity in both nations before the Americans came in. That is perhaps the essence of a terrorists "haven",a place where terrorists can operate training camps without anyone challenging them .It is only when they are challenged in in their own "safe havens" that they respond in kind with widescale suicide bombings ,like in Iraq and Afghanistan

When Bin Laden was based in Sudan,how many suicide bombings where reported in the Sudan?None

The Clinton Adminstration refered to Saddam's Govt as one of the leading state sponsor of terror while it was in power

We can attack the present situation as much as we want,the fact remains that when Shias and Kurds were being oppressed by the influential Sunni minority,most people said nothing.

Who remembers the expulsion in 2000,of 4,000 Shia families from Baghdad.Where was the outrage?Apart from the State Dept and a few human rights org,the Arab street did not react

There were some reports that the Spiritual Leader of Iran (Ayatollah Khamenei) is dead from cancer

I do not know much about what Obama has in his store in term of detailed policy positions

At some point he has has to present a coherent case as to why he is more deserving of the presidency than the other contenders

Is he really a better candidate than Rudy Guliani,Hillary Clinton or John McCain.

it won't be enough that he is black,I won't support anyone just because he is black if he is not the best candidate

By the way,some African Americans are not so enthusiastic about Obama partly because he is a Continental African as opposed to a descendant of freed slaves

Iraq was not a terrorist haven before the war?Which begs the question how Ansar Al Islam(a terrorist organisation) managed to gain territorial control over large swathes of Northern Iraq before the war and operate with total impunity
How come Al Zarqawi managed to operate from Iraq before the war

U resort to the usual argument of the anti-war brigade-we want Saddam out but not in the manner it was done-Problem is no one has suggested how this outcome would have been acheived

If the Shia and Kurdish insurrections of the 80s and 90s succeded,won't that have brought about sectarian conflict as we are witnessing

Most Iraqis today die through sectarian conflict,if the likes of Saddam had ruled Iraq in an equitable manner by allowing the Shias and Kurds a fair crack at governance,we won't have a sectarian conflict today.Full blame for the present predicament lies with past Iraqi leaders and the British colonial authority.

What is happening now was bound to happen,if u have a minority rule of Sunni Arabs and their Christian cronies-a quasi-apartheid system-at some point the majority peoples(Kurds and Shias) are going to start reacting violently when given the opportunity

The removal of Saddam has created a situation whereby the majority of the Iraqi populace have a stake in governance but apparently some Sunnis find this intolerable.

If the idea is that Saddam should remain in power so that Sunnis can continue their domination of Iraq,most Iraqis still think that the present level of violence is worth the overthrow of a Govt that made them second class citizens in their own country,killing them in huge numbers simply for being in the wrong sectarian group

@Easyy
Are u saying that no one on nairaland has suggested that Iraqis or Iraq would have been better of with Saddam still in power?

That Iraqis did not want Saddam hung?

If she opened the school in Nigeria it will probably make more sense.I dare say Nigerians value education more than South Africans.Our academic zeal is exceptional

Besides that,there is a case to be made that we need it more since we are poorer

If the essence of the charitable donation was to help poor African children in need,are we not more in need than South Africans?

It would have been more sensible to locate the school in Nigeria,preferably my home town of Awka

@Labgaja

Stay in Nigeria and if your wife still pesters u ,dump her

Seriously unless u have a well thought out project u want to implement abroad,I don't see why u should leave a thriving biz at home

i heard the rope used to hang Saddam is now in the hands of the cleric,Muqtada Al Sadr.

Apparently ,a wealthy Kuwaiti businessman had put in a massive bid for it and he was informed that it is now with Al Sadr

The problem with Transcorp is its alleged links with Obasanjo.

This raises the possibility that upon the termination of Obj's tenure,we might see a reversal of fortunes for the coy

Who is to say that a future Govt might not conduct investigations into some of the transactions,including the sale of a majority stake to Transcorp in NITEL,

it seems that there are more people here who care more about Iraq than Iraqis

Does anyone actually believe that in a country of which 60% are Shias and 20% percent are Kurds,that most Iraqis didn't want Saddam dead?

People say that Saddam should have been kept in power.What gives them the confidence that the Shias and Kurds would have wanted Saddam to stay in power?

it will be great so I can identify my enemies and deal with them

NITEL,MTN and Globacom are not on the capital market because it is not liquid enough

The money they can expect to raise is not sufficient to justify the loss of some control and everything else connected with listings

i am not confident that NITEL can be turned around enough to justify the expectations on Transcorps.

The wireless telecoms sector is reaching saturation point,MTEL will be late in the game

As for Fixed Telephones,it needs huge investment which Transcorps might not be able to raise without exposing themselves to a huge debt load which will have negative consequences for their share price

I want to sell replica Saddam hanging ropes.

Do u know anyone who is interested?

Anyone with a few screws loose?