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YabaLeftist:
I don't know why it's only Catholics who worship Mary that always see these silly apparitions. It beats my imagination why these deluded idiots place Mary above Jesus.

You prolly saw a demon masquerading as Mary.

Stop Saying Nonsense, No One ever place Mary above Jesus. Read and understand other people's believe , No you won't and you will come online Vomiting Nonsense. This right here isn't even Other people's believe but the believe Christianity was based on, the fact you are of other denomination doesn't give you an automatic ticket to be totally ignorant of the Apostle creed and Sacred faith .
The words of prayers of the Catholic Church are carefully selected, You will never hear Mary Have mercy ON Us, or Mary Forgive Us our Sins.
You will only hear Mary Pray for Us,Even Saints Pray for Us.
You will only Have Jesus have mercy and forgiveness Us our Sins .
When they say you should learn and profess one apostolic faith you say No. Little wonder people like yourself need to be baptized and undergo catcism of the Holy Church.
Read about Fatima ,the internet is free and you can do your research, Mary wasn't added to the list of Saint until her visitation to some young lads. This wasn't just accepted in the church ,of course the Catholic Church takes time in authenticating claims and with a close study of the various miracles attach to such person when ever people call on the various saints to pray for them...
This isn't something coined from the sky, even you can become a Saint, if your ways are pleasing to God and you find favor in his sight. when ever anyone who have a situation you are favored to solve Pray through you ,it is simply believe you can easily take the person's case file to Jesus Rev 8:4. But a pain staking approval of up to 10yrs and numerous miracles are needed.
Pope John Paul is currently on his way to Sainthood, why is it so. A sick Child parent who suffered from some brain damage ,made him a patron Saint, prayed and The little lad got healed, I practically can't remember which country , the parish priest was notified of the miracle, message,was passed to The Vatican. But more miracles are needed and more validation to confirm it is true will be done.

Why only this Controversial Religion.
They need to check themselves and what exactly they are trying to Cover up... Only them are terrorists and terrible things...

Lukuluku69:
Bros, let leave the Divinity or otherwise of Jesus. We are talking Isaiah 42/60.

You posted only a verse and I said bring the next verse. I will be waiting.

Goodmorning I got busy with my daily activities.
Taking you to Matt 12 Vs 18-22 , the book of Isaiah 42 vs 2-3 was replicated there . just why I talked about you reading the book alongside history. Someone is trying to be smart here and going by the chronology of time , the Gospel according to Matthew Was far dated before the Quran.
The people of Kedar which happen to be a generation from the Heir of Ishmael was mentioned Significantly in the Bible as against his other Siblings, but their is something that is Certain, They aren't seen as Jews But as Gentiles.Reason why they will rejoice
If we will go by the description Prophet Isaiah gave when salvation ,opening of the blind eyes and bringing out the prisoners from the prison (Simply mean removing the tags of a Gentile and abiding by the teachings of God's words ) this can be confirmed in Isaiah 42vs 11.
in Isaiah 42 v 3 "A bruised Reed shall he not Break". who is a Reed ? I believe that is just an English word A weak Person. Putting Both Characters of the Messiah and Prophet Muhammad Side by Side, who will you say actually fulfill that Prophesy.
History we know have never been fair to Prophet Muhammad in terms of his Violent invasion and brusing of Weak tribes for a forceful conversion.
If Christ would have Bruised Reeds, believe me Christains would have had 100 percent of the world because it would have been a Forceful conversion and this would have happened before Muhammad would have thought of becoming a Prophet, He would have been killed if the word of Isaiah as prophesied in Isaiah 42vs3 said otherwise of Jesus.
Both Holy books are dated far back in time and alot is needed to understand every chapter and wordings, not just by reading alone, you have to Judge the future actions, the past and the current action of ever verse you read and most especially know the date and time such writings were done.
The Holy Quran is more like a Review of the Jews and the Christains believe ,and just why you see comparison between the jews and Christains way of life often in the Quran.
An example is in 9. AL -Taubah 129:30 "There are some of the Jews who says Ezra is the Son of Allah ,while Christains says ,the Messiah is the Son of Allah ...
This clearly shows someone have been studying someone works for a very long time .
Brother Religion is a Sensitive issue and in the book of Genesis 16 vs 12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility ...
That was exactly how God predicted the Future of Ishmael and every single words above have been repeatedly and unconsciously been justified by the recent happenings in Islamic Contries and even Northern Nigeria reason why the Gentiles (People who aren't Jews) Were later preached the Gospel.
Take this if Reeds were bruised by The messiah whom Muhammad confirmed, they won't be any Religion apart from Christianity in the world and that will make Isaiah 42 vs 3 Prophesy invalid.
Some funny things actually need answee because that will actually bring to rest alot of issues.
1) Why will God Almighty send Another Major Prophet after the Messiah . This Messiah have been foretold as on who will be the final reconciliation between God and man ,even the Torah Confirmed and are still waiting for the Messiah? Because the major work of all Major Prophets if you are conversant was about a Messiah who will bring the people to God.
In the days,of Isaiah they were other Prophets and Priest ,but he Isaiah was a Major Prophet.
Of course they are Prophets,Apostles, Priest ,Pastors and many other Spiritual offices in our Major Churches with different responsibilities. But why such Major Prophets after the Messiah. John 1vs 19 -
51 tells how John the Forerunner denied been the tye Messiah when asked by the Jewish leader who is he?
Sadly the way Jesus came wasn't the way a thousand and one people Expected, but the goodnews is he fulfilled the entire writtings of Isaiah and other Prophets when studied closely with his lifestyle.
2) Do you know a lot of Countries in Africa were initially Christains before their Reed were bruised and Forcefully converted. Tunisia is Just on of the Many countries.
3) 'Islam should stop Bruising Reeds and Let's see how far it can go in the Next 5 years.A lot of people are been Incastigated in Northern Nigeria because their was a blasphemous claim, what now happen to the Everlasting condemnation Jesus and Muhammad talked about.. If you are conversant with Jesus teachings the Idea of human been cast into hell came from Jesus warning, he was the very first to say there is am Everlasting condemnation in Hell if you fail to repent, which practically suspended human taking the Laws of Moses and the Priest into their hands.


Shalom

Lukuluku69:
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

That is the entirety of Isaiah 42:1. It spoke of a SERVANT. If you claim this was/Jesus are you saying Jesus is a SERVANT OF GOD? He is no longer God Himself or his Son?

The divinity of Jesus is a topic on it's own, if you are conversant with the new testaments and His words in Red, You will get to know the tittle, He is Same with the Father,Son, the second person of thr trinity and many other dimensions he presented himself wasn't Given to him by another person But where spoken from his Lips.
This gave alot of theologians deep questions, like I said earlier in Christianity we are open to asking deep questions and many defile human logic.
Jesus been equal to the father was demonstrated by his actions and words Matt 2:1-12 : in that scripture Jesus forgave the sin of a man , that which only God Should be able to do. Immediately in the heart of the people around the accused him of Blaspheming.
In as we try to weigh Jesus claims and others his actions gives us a reason to believe .
God Himself haven't been seen by any man , even if God chooses to work by you in physical today I doubt if you can say this right here is God.
Remember I told you it is like a story , I will like to give you a summary of the entire story and why his actions calls for no doubt of his personality, despite it is very and logically hard to believe.
when God brought the children of Israelite out of Egypt, he set up the Royal Priesthood after the order of Aaron and part of the requirements for the forgiveness of Sins was the slaining of spotless animals and sprinkling the blood on the Holy seat...
to be continued

Lukuluku69:
Isaiah Chapter 1 is actually a warning to Israel. Children nurtured by God but constantly rebelling. A Corrupt people. The whole body not being sound and all that and God said He will make them jealosu by replacing them with a people they (the Jews) considered not a people.

In fact the whole of Isaiah is about reprimand, warning and God actually choosing another nation of those who considered themselves God's Children

You are conversant with it then , the Books of all the Prophets are actually warning and cry for The Children of Isreal to Turn from their ways . If there is one thing Christians remember Prophet Isaiah about Is his Prophesy about a Messiah.

Now in Isaiah 42:1, Now the first Point of Observation Is the Word "he shall bring forth Judgement to the Gentiles".
Interesting to know who are the Gentiles and Why God put his spirit in His servant to bring forth Judgement to the Gentiles ?
Roman 2:24 by Apostle Paul make us understand Why "The name of God is Blashphemed among the Gentiles Because of you ('Isreal) .Apostle Paul went Further to say , it was because of this ,that Jesus came as the Last in a long line of Prophets , calling Isreal Back to its relationship with God (Matt 12:33-41,Act 3:22;7:37).
Jesus made it clear in Matt 15:25 , his message of Salvation is first to the Jews audience. Why was it so? From what Apostle Paul had to say from the above , it simply means if the people of Isreal can get it Right , then the Gentiles will have no reason to Blasphemed the Lord God.
To be continued

Kobojunkie:
Abeg stop!

Do you even understand what the word Holy means where God is concerned, this since you label the Bible in your hands a "Holy" book? Jesus Christ did not call His followers to live by the standards of this world and its religions. So labeling that book Holy when God never decreed it so violates God aka sin.

That book was decreed holy by the standard of men and their churches(canons they call them) , an abomination that suggests that which is of men is of God.

Like I said Early , you don't read The Holy Bible without knowing History and the other of Events. No man have seen the Almighty God all Human believed in .Moses was able to see just his Move , Back to the Matta.
I won't stand on the ground like the opposite Religion that says it was given by God directly. A compilation Of God's Laws and a manifestation of his Signs is Worthy to be Called Holy by his Church.
If you say it is been decreed by the Standard of Man that you err, because from all ramifications the standard of the Holy Bible Surpasses all Human Standards. We keep failing to keep to all what God revealed in it.

Lukuluku69:
Aholah, it has been a while.

Go read Isaiah 42 and Isaiah 60. When you are done mention me for the interpretations

This is really an interesting topic and we won't be in a Hurry to dissect facts . I love Your quote and will get back with some answers later.
Before before then , Your need to know What exactly is the Holy Bible, you need to know the Holy Bible is a representation of God's words as Given to the particular messenger, just why the Christian have Different verses with different Authors.
Christians don't Claim just like the Muslim that the Holy Bible was Written and sent By God . And in Reading the Holy Bible you have to be Conversant with its time and particular Events. Reason why a preacher of the Bible must Study Theology, and in this class of Theology criticism are welcome and that alone is what Islam don't Permit.
Don't Just Pick Isaiah 42 and 60 , start reading from Isaiah 1 and you will get to know what Isaiah the Prophet was trying to point out. He was all about the Messiah. It is an interesting book I adjourn you to read it like a Histroy book.