truly:

@naijangel7
I have read his posts. I am not so confident that all things have passed away. Look at Abu Ghraib. 14th century can happen again. Did you believe that Germany could gas children and women to death in the 20th century? We know what alqeda want. we need to know find out what boko haram want? every life saved cos of that is worth it. although it is different situation and struggle but Abacha killed many ogonis. the problem did not go away!

The Germans didn´t gas anybody in the name of Christianity or Jesus or God. Are you a northern Muslim ? They are the ones who equate anything Western with Christianity. "German" doesn´t mean "Christian". Beta Things was talking about "Christian" atrocities of the Dark Ages. Having said that, I agree with your call for dialogue although I doubt that Boko Haram would be very interested in that.

@ Londone

londoner:

@fellis, It is your own brothers who blow up cars to kill, who are making the connection between violence and Islam. Defending Islam from the pages of your Holy book is one thing. Were your bothers actually PRACTICING what it says 24hrs ago though?

That is the issue here. they are not practicing what your holy book says and do so in the name of your religion.

You cant expect us to take words on paper above actions in reality.

Do you really expect the rest of us to give you a pat on the back for what your brothers have done barely 24hrs ago?

Really is that what you expect. Be realistic!

"Oya bring on the missiles" you say? And you expect us to believe you are on the side of peace?

Londoner,
Ermmm, when I said bring in the missles, I was talking to those who would decide to hurl insults or mudsling because I posted what I did.
And. . . . . .You guys are the ones who are making the connection between what these people do and the reigion of Islam. How's this so, you ak? well, all over this thread, if you look, you would find muslims trying to convince you again and again,that there is no way Islam encourages what these misfits are doing, Yet people choose to disregard what they say and instead prefer to continue living in their bubble where they can comfortably believe that Every single muslim=Terrifying terrorizing terrorist. While Every single christian= peaceful peace-loving pacifists.
So you see my fellow Nairalander, I don't want a pat on the back, I just want to put an advice across to my fellow muslim brothers that they should leave off trying to convince blockheads and just chill out.

@Fellis, ok so Islam does not promote violence, people have said it, I agree, but what does that have to do with the fact that a group of muslim extremists are bombing in the name of Islam?


Is it US here you have to confince or your fellow muslims who have now taken to killing in the very NAME of Islam?

It is THEY you should be teaching and telling to go and search your holy book. THEY are the ones who obviously do not know that Islam is peaceful as you say.


I feel  quite uneasy that there are muslims here who have come out simply to defend the image of Islam, as if in all this that is the only thing you care about. Barely 24 hrs after what has happened with the other killings in Jos over Christmas, please excuse us if we are not enthusiatic about sitting down to be educated on the peace of Islam.

Sorry for taking your missile comment out of context, but I think you should have used a different term in light of what we are discussing.

Ha

@Londoner,
Ah! But we have to educate you guys nah. Because a lot of christians wrongly believe that Islam encourages senseless killing. And worse still, they go about telling other ignorants that this is the case, further tarnishing the image of islam, so we come here and tell those who don't know, what the religion is about.
And pls don't be offended by this question but are you a Yoruba man?

londoner:

@Fellis, ok so Islam does not promote violence, people have said it, I agree, but what does that have to do with the fact that a group of muslim extremists are bombing in the name of Islam?


Is it US here you have to confince or your fellow muslims who have now taken to killing in the very NAME of Islam?

It is THEY you should be teaching and telling to go and search your holy book. THEY are the ones who obviously do not know that Islam is peaceful as you say.


I feel  quite uneasy that there are muslims here who have come out simply to defend the image of Islam, as if in all this that is the only thing you care about. Barely 24 hrs after what has happened with the other killings in Jos over Christmas, please excuse us if we are not enthusiatic about sitting down to be educated on the peace of Islam.

Sorry for taking your missile comment out of context, but I think you should have used a different term in light of what we are discussing.

I really do understand your anger and deservedly so. I as a Muslim I am very shamed because of these events and I believe the poster as a Muslim is also ashamed of these developments. His call was to Nigerian Muslims to rise up against this scourge called "Boko-Haram" lest it hijacks our identity. I commiserate with all the Christians that have suffered because of these Bombing events and pray the Perpetrators are not only brought to book but be paid in their coins.

I also believe majority of Muslims (and Hausa Muslims inclusive) do not support this kind of radicalism (which has also caused the death of many Muslims either directly or as a result of retaliation) but I must also say we as Muslims have come to terms with the reality that we have "extremist" amongst us. And we have to do all we can to fight against this extremism.
Islam doesn't preach this violence.

Most muslims I know are hypocrites!

The evil muslim fellows that carried out 9/11 watched porn movies the night before. God knows what other 'fleshly' desires they so satisfied, before killing people in thousands the following day. Yet they would want people to believe that are carrying out a divine call, stupid hypocrites!

No other religion screams 'allah akbar' while hacking off heads of pregnant women, children and defense less men all in the name of justice. No other religion places a bomb in a church on christmas day.

Someone on this thread is trying to connect christian bombing in the south south to whats happening in Abuja and Jos. I find it so stupid and mischievous that a such puerile connection was even attempted. We all know what gave birth to the agitation in the south south, aided and abetted by our muslim charlatans in power. What happened in Jos is a typical manifestation of muslim inferiority complex, they feel threatened by the minutest things, next, carry machetes and surprise innocent victims.

Abeg, these people should have their own country.
I am so sick and tired of these muslim bastards.

People take their time to argue constructively & sum riffraffs just bump in and say all moslems on the forum should get off,

What makes you diff from the shallow minded ignorant fools killing innocent citizens, thank God u were ignored, mcshewwwwwwwww

Anybody who says muslims are violent is spot on correct! Every muslim have dat potential of being intolerant.look at wat happend in egypt 2day where there was a bomb blast at a church whch left 20 worshippers dead and several injured.are they boko haram too? Are they nt fellow muslims who read d koran?where hv anybody attackd muslims during their festive period?during d war against terror,did the west nt temporarily stop attacks jst 2 show respect for islam?wat do dis pple rily want? wat does islam as a religion really adovate?the leaders of dis attacks back up their sayings wt d koran when recruiting dis elements 2 justify their actions,if d religion isnt abt violence why is it that the recruits are easily decieved? Islam, in my own opinion is intolerant dats why a random person, neighbor evn a friend can hunt u and kill u during a time of crisis!

nothing here is new, we've ever had moslems denying islam is a religion of violence  with an anti-climatic  history of violence and sad enough it always has been a hard sell. It is not just a Nigerian thing. A church in Egypt was targetted last night leaving some scores dead and unfortunately too there were a few moslem casualties  at a near-by mosque who were also blown away.

Earlier last month Indonesia govt began to increase security at churches and Christian communities because of security reports that Christians in the most populous islamic nation will be targetted in the christmas season and  calls by extremists that went across the middle east for Christians to be attacked.

I am also chuckling to myself when I see people on this thread equating the actions of western circular nations to Christianity suggesting  an obvious stereotypically-minded-thinking to say the least.

@Jaaiztech, your comment means alot, and if more muslim posters here openly condemned the killings (and not just to defend Islam), I believe the tghread may not have taken the turn it did. Aty the end of the day, we all share the country we call Nigeria, its is our fatherland and we should not be terrorised because the practice a different religion.

I too dont beleive the average Hausa or muslim agrees with radicalism, but whether they will "betray" their muslim brothers in order to wipe this sect out is another story altogether. I do know that the Nigerian authorities have to take their share of the blame, when some northern communities complained to them about the sect over the years, they more or less ignored it.

I feel so sad for Nigeria. Abuja is a city that I absolutely LOVE, if anywhere in Nigeria I would ever have lived it would have been there. I am so disappointed that Nigeria seems to only be getting worse and closer to civil war if we are not careful.


@fellis, I am an Igbo woman actually. Even if every Nigerian christian believes Islam is violent, at least you wont have to worry about being bombed in the name of Christianity. It would mean much more if you condemned Boko Horam rather than simply trying to convince me about Islam, I dont care about Islam, I care about what these sect lunatics are doing to Nigeria.

JaaizTech:

I really do understand your anger and deservedly so. I as a Muslim I am very shamed because of these events and I believe the poster as a Muslim is also ashamed of these developments. His call was to Nigerian Muslims to rise up against this scourge called "Boko-Haram" lest it hijacks our identity. I commiserate with all the Christians that have suffered because of these Bombing events and pray the Perpetrators are not only brought to book but be paid in their coins.

I also believe majority of Muslims (and Hausa Muslims inclusive) do not support this kind of radicalism (which has also caused the death of many Muslims either directly or as a result of retaliation) but I must also say we as Muslims have come to terms with the reality that we have "extremist" amongst us. And we have to do all we can to fight against this extremism.
Islam doesn't preach this violence.

The most reasonable muslim post so far. God bless you. , I feel better now.

Muslim religion is a violent religion, and it is showing, but let them know that they have no monopoly of violence. Others can do it better, even Mr. Mohammed knows that to well, because he never showed his ugly face while Master was here. We are not begging you guys to correct your appearance, we can do it for you, just wait. Arrant nonsense.

illusion2:

The most reasonable muslim post so far. God bless you. , I feel better now.

I agree wholeheartedly, I felt better after reading his/her post too.

kayceed77 said:

I cant wait the day we will have North Nigeria and South Nigeria as two different countries

Who gets to keep Abuja?

Some people on this thread are completely DAFT.
They only read the subject and post their comment(s) without reading the content of the subject.

The subject/content condemned BOKO-HARAM in all ramnification and with quotations from Holy Qur'an but yet, some fools stil attribute these criminal acts from BOKO-HARAM to ISLAM.

Pls if u cannot read line-to-line, the content of this subject matter, do not ignorantly post comments. We need peace and not more war!

Orton1_0:

Only a fool avoids dialogue. You are as silly as your four-letter-name. Mtcheew!

guy correct. let him keep talking trash.

Muslims need to understand that there is something in that koran that support killing.

now how can we explain this attack on a church in Egypt
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12101748

@Beta Thing,
What do i want? Well for starters I think the Islamic World as to face up to the fact that their are verses in the Koran that encourages violence against non believers. Secondly, to be honest about it`s history and culture of violence, starting from the days of Mohamed(pbuh)

U claim there is extremism in both Islam and Christianity, fair enough, can u list anywhere in the World, besides Northern Ireland and Uganda, where these so called Christian Extremist are killing people in the name of religion. I can easily come up with over 20 countries in the World where Muslims are killing in the name of Islam.

I am not here to defend Christianity over Islam, I am a product of both religions. All I know is the fact that the World is under attack from Muslim jihadist who are bent on establishing Islamic rule on all of man kind, as Prophesied by Mo hammed(pbuh) and the so called moderates are always telling us it`s just a few fanatics, yet we never see them protest against it.

Your American example is flawed. America went to war in Iraq to get rid of a dictator who had earlier invaded and occupied a fellow Muslim country. And to establish the rule of law which is the dividend of democracy. The war was never about imposing Christianity or attacking it for being a Muslim state. The same way it went to war against Serbia a fellow christian country to defend the rights of Bosnian Muslims. But sadly u only see World events from the view point of believers and non believers.

Do u think it`s nice to deny women education, stone them to death for adultery, make them cover every part of their body in extreme hot weather, prevent them from walking out on the streets unless accompanied by a male member of the family? Maybe u like the amputation and endless beheading that was being done in the name of Islam. The list of injustice that was being committed by the Taliban on it`s citizens before the American invasion is endless but people like u don`t see those things because they are your Muslim brothers. But once America went there to get rid of one of the most repressive regimes in modern times, Religious Zombies and their so called silent majority(moderates) start shouting, war against Muslims. Where were u and the so called moderate Muslims when the Taliban were in power and committing all these inhumane acts against it`s people?

If u want to go by history start with the life of Jesus Christ and Mo hammed, both are the two examples members of both faith aspire to be like. While Jesus never fought a single war in his life, Mo hammed on the other hand personally was in involved in more than 60 wars and raids, where slaves and treasures were taken from the defeated and shared amongst him and  his followers. One/ fifth of the loot was for Allah and his messenger and the rest to be shared by his fighters. Read the Hadith, if in doubt.

I asked, how did Usman Danfodio spread Islam in North and western Nigeria? Have u ever had of Koran verses of the sword?

Brov, only the truth will set u free.

@Harus, the truth is, Boko Horam and other Islamic extremists are operating on their corrupted interpretation of the the Islamic holy book. Your issue, as a muslim is with THEM.

For THEM it is a very much one and the same.

No christian has killed pointing to the bible for justification. No where in the teachings of Christ will you find cause for violence.

No christian has killed pointing to the bible for justification. No where in the teachings of Christ will you find cause for violence.

 

Don't make a sweeping statement it happened, as i pointed out earlier but everyone seems to ignore that and continue this unending cycle of argument. Now, every christain here are playing pope and patrick.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1361


And this
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/26/AR2009052602995.html

@auwal87

i can see that you mean well in your commentary, but it is hard for me and the non-islamic world to see islam as a religion of peace for good reasons. anywhere in the world where there have been religious conflicts in recent years, muslims have been part of the equation:
muslims vs christians
muslims vs jews
muslims vs buddhists
muslims vs hindus

not only that, muslims are known to chant "allah akhbar" in the process of carrying out their deeds. in order words, they believe they either have allah's approval or, perhaps they are seeking allah's approval. this is one of the reasons it is hard for the world to separate terrorism by muslims from the religion itself.

It's most unfortunate how we cannot proffer solution to an issue but rather expand it,i wonder how we are now different from the extremists which we are condemning,which means most of us will surely do same,pray how a sizeabe number of Muslims in a particular country translate to backwardness as someone has said!when we have a majority Muslim countries like UAE(Dubai),Malaysia,Singapore etc. which we troop into with a slightest opportunity.The issue on ground has to do with Ideology-Politics,Education and culture of a particular region,for instance what differentiate a Northern Muslims from the Southern Muslims,is not far fetch,it is their culture and lack of Education which boils down to the greediness of their so called leader,because they know that if you give a Man Education you have already given him everything in life and not an half Education as we practise in Nigeria right now but qualitative one that they will be challenged.

NorthernIreland is political. The two Irish groups are fighting for political control. Religion is a only a defining line. Northern Island Catholic is not interested in killing a Scottish protestant.

The group out of Michgan are on the lunatic fringe. They will find nothing remotely near support or solace aamongstcChristians

jerseyboy:

No christian has killed pointing to the bible for justification. No where in the teachings of Christ will you find cause for violence.

islam religion of peace piss indeed,i hate islam i hate mohammed

NorthernIreland is political. The two Irish groups are fighting for political control. Religion is a only a defining line.

I have heard this same reason been given in Nigeria times without number, plus Boko Haram are raving mad too, not different from a lunatic, they seem to claim they are fighting injustice meted to them in the past by the Nigerian police as shown on these youtube videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1hc1zKnLr0&feature=channel&has_verified=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stU0T2H1DMo&feature=related

Does it mean life is worth nothing in Nigeria?, i detest all kind of extra judicial, political or religion killings. I heard a "police man said don't waste bullet", "give me the heart, i want the heart", e.t.c on these videos.

Is disheartening. I am ashame to call myself a Nigerian here.

The police in foreign land sees all these, and they can easily tell any Nigerian that, you people kill yourself anyhow, so what does it matter if you are killed here.

The question is where lie the end to all these?
Let us join hand and find solutions to all these killings, let us address issues and stop trade tackling on Islam and Christainity.

Even in Egypt on New year's eve 2011, 21 killed in front of the church and 70 injured. Whats wrong with all these Jihadist Muslims!!

By the proclamation of the name of Jesus Christ, every knee shall bow, I pray that any person, body or organisation in all Continents of the World trying to
kill, masacre or get rid of innocent human beings/christians or killing even their fellow muslims by the way. They will all rut in Hell and their generations shall not know any good thing in life. In Jesus Mighty Name i have prayed. Amen(It is settled)

truly:

@naijangel7
I have read his posts. I am not so confident that all things have passed away. Look at Abu Ghraib. 14th century can happen again. Did you believe that Germany could gas children and women to death in the 20th century? We know what alqeda want. we need to know find out what boko haram want? every life saved cos of that is worth it. although it is different situation and struggle but Abacha killed many ogonis. the problem did not go away!

People like you make me wanna throw up with lame duck analysis of crime, Crime cant be eradicated in this world but we are talking about a group of people killing and maiming  innocent people cuz of religious views, Dont tell me Anini was a Christian terrorist cuz he probably adhered to the Christian faith, Nobody has called the Somali pirates Islamic terrorist despite being all muslims, the Crime is not the issue rather the motives

okunoba:

@Beta Thing,
What do i want? Well for starters I think the Islamic World as to face up to the fact that their are verses in the Koran that encourages violence against non believers. Secondly, to be honest about it`s history and culture of violence, starting from the days of Mohamed(pbuh)

[b][b]U claim there is extremism in both Islam and Christianity, fair enough, can u list anywhere in the World, besides Northern Ireland and Uganda, where these so called Christian Extremist are killing people in the name of religion.[/b][/b] I can easily come up with over 20 countries in the World where Muslims are killing in the name of Islam.

I am not here to defend Christianity over Islam, I am a product of both religions. All I know is the fact that the World is under attack from Muslim jihadist who are bent on establishing Islamic rule on all of man kind, as Prophesied by Mo hammed(pbuh) and the so called moderates are always telling us it`s just a few fanatics, yet we never see them protest against it.

Your American example is flawed. America went to war in Iraq to get rid of a dictator who had earlier invaded and occupied a fellow Muslim country. And to establish the rule of law which is the dividend of democracy. The war was never about imposing Christianity or attacking it for being a Muslim state. The same way it went to war against Serbia a fellow christian country to defend the rights of Bosnian Muslims. But sadly u only see World events from the view point of believers and non believers.

Do u think it`s nice to deny women education, stone them to death for adultery, make them cover every part of their body in extreme hot weather, prevent them from walking out on the streets unless accompanied by a male member of the family? Maybe u like the amputation and endless beheading that was being done in the name of Islam. The list of injustice that was being committed by the Taliban on it`s citizens before the American invasion is endless but people like u don`t see those things because they are your Muslim brothers. But once America went there to get rid of one of the most repressive regimes in modern times, Religious Zombies and their so called silent majority(moderates) start shouting, war against Muslims. Where were u and the so called moderate Muslims when the Taliban were in power and committing all these inhumane acts against it`s people?

If u want to go by history start with the life of Jesus Christ and Mo hammed, both are the two examples members of both faith aspire to be like. While Jesus never fought a single war in his life, Mo hammed on the other hand personally was in involved in more than 60 wars and raids, where slaves and treasures were taken from the defeated and shared amongst him and  his followers. One/ fifth of the loot was for Allah and his messenger and the rest to be shared by his fighters. Read the Hadith, if in doubt.

I asked, how did Usman Danfodio spread Islam in North and western Nigeria? Have u ever had of Koran verses of the sword?

Brov, only the truth will set u free.

I hate it when people equate the northern Ireland problem with Xtian terrorism, The Brits occupied Ireland for centuries, bringing in their folks and Anglican religion, When they left, they annexed the north cuz they wanted to protect the remnants of their Anglican folks instead of letting them join a united Ireland, IRA just wanted a united motherland while the Brits wouldnt let go, their religious affiliations play little or no role here and its never WAR FOR jESUS OR gOD

[b]@ OP

Your intentions as portrayed in your post are commendable. Unfortunately, the Muslims we hear and see do not believe in the peaceful Islam you believe. Most Muslims do not condemn the atrocities peretrated by those peaceful Muslims call radicalists and extremist muslims. WE NEVER HEAR THE PEACEFUL MUSLIMS. Most peaceful Muslims see any condemnation of their radical brethren as an attack against Islam which is not really the fault of the 'anti-terrorist non-muslims'. IT IS THE EXTREMIST MUSLIMS WHO BRING ISLAM INTO DISREPUTE (and always back it with Islamic scriptures)and the world does not see the 'PEACEFUL ISLAM' because it is OVERSHADOWED by VIOLENT/EXTREMIST ISLAM! Peaceful Muslims do not bother anyone; extremist Muslims do. However, when peaceful Muslims KEEP QUIET while Extremist Muslims are TERRORISING THE WORLD, all Muslims will be lumped together. If all peaceful muslims do is PROCLAIM that Islam is peaceful and do NOTHING MORE while their extremist muslim brethren ACT VIOLENTLY, don't blame those who judge Islam on the EXTREMIST ACTIONS of MUSLIMS THAT CAN BE JUSTIFIED WITH THE QURAN. You want us to believe that Islam is peaceful, get your extremist brothers to portray it so! Most of us do not care what religion other people practice as long as they do not HARM others or FORCE others to take the same religion. Yoruba Muslims are an example of peaceful muslims but some of them are even beginning to get radicalised as they support the terrorism of non-muslims! Extremist Muslims need to realise ALL human beings WILL NEVER BECOME MUSLIM and their current trend WILL ONLY BRING ISLAM DOWN! [/b]

I hate it when people equate the northern Ireland problem with Xtian terrorism, The Brits occupied Ireland for centuries, bringing in their folks and Anglican religion,  When they left, they annexed the north cuz they wanted to protect the remnants of their Anglican folks instead of letting them join a united Ireland, IRA just wanted a united motherland while the Brits wouldnt let go,  their religious affiliations play little or no role here

What are we talking about? Politics with religion coloration or Religion with political coloration what is the difference? people are been killed.

Look read the story here carefully,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/26/AR2009052602995.html

The lady whose husband was killed in the last paragraph is a Protestant married to a Catholic, they killed her husband and spared her life. It is not Catholic killing Catholic, or Protestant killing Protestant.

There are bad eggs everywhere, i don't want to hear of superiority of Islam over Christainity or otherwise. Religion is opium, and people get brainwash a lot.

So much recognition is being given to religion in Nigeria, too many religion holidays. People go to work here on Sallah or Christmas days. Everybody practice what he likes in the confine of his room, privately. As long as you follows the law of the land, nobody gets hurt.
I guess that is where the solution lie. That is my suggestion, you can proffer yours.

Its quite a shame when i read the comment coming out of this thread,it is high time we understand the difference between religion and extremism.
Those people that call themselves muslims, killing and maiming innocent souls across the globe are extremist, they fail to understand the teachings and doctrines of the prophet(SAW). In this modern world that we live, people are suppose to co-exist peacefully, irrespective of ethnic,race,colour,religion background. Extremism, does not only exist in islam alone,it exist in other faith too. Many people do not know what people from other faith are facing in India just because they are not Hindu, many people fail to talk about the jews that were massacred by Adolf Hitler, many people did not talk about discrimination that muslims in United States faced after the september 11 attack. When events happen,we have to think deeply and look what might have cause these events. The bomb blast that happen in Abuja was also similar to the one that occur in Alexandria in Egypt. Who might be resposible for this? do you think the Boko Haram have the intellect and ability to plan and execute bomb attacks? definately, this must have been the work of some mercenaries that exist in the country which i am very sure the SSS is aware of it. These bomb attacks have political undertone than religious motives, the Boko Haram are only used as a sham to cover these bomb attacks. Nobody care to ask how did the Boko Haram members escape from Bauchi prison and nothing was done about that ever since. I think we have a lot of serious security issues in this country that our President is not even aware of. These attacks are planned and executed by people within power and also some external interest outside Nigeria.