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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by oyatz(m): 3:39am On Apr 04, 2020
I hope you know that there are several brands of vehicles that are assembled in Nigeria?




kalufelix:
ventilator no be refrigerator or AC units...it comes with a demand order..coupled with the fact its going to produced on a make shift basis.. IVM is made in Nnewi..children of hate lack basic economic education on firms and industries...If they cannot "assemble" their own make them get sense naa...haba!!

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by BigIyanga: 3:39am On Apr 04, 2020
rusher14:


Dangote had already started building his refinery.

He had already received loans from his banks.

The government is right even the USA would buy Innosons ventilators, so what is he waiting for?

Liar.. Dangote was importing and rebagging cement before it ventured into refining with full govt backing. Their core competence was in cement, import and logistics

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by oyatz(m): 3:43am On Apr 04, 2020
The guy said the naked truth sir.


BennyDGreat:
Mehn Bashir this tweet was a mistake. It shouldn't have happened. Gosh....a government spokesman....very disappointing

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by oyatz(m): 3:51am On Apr 04, 2020
Dangote transited from importation of cement to manufacturing of cement in 2003 with his acquisition of Benue Cement Company.

Around 2007, the newly built Obajana cement company merged with BCC to form Dangote Cement Company.

The company diversified into Oil refinery (which is still under construction) much more later.




#Personslly, i don't know why many young Igbos online become emotional when discussing about Innoson especially with the ways they always portray him as a persecuted business man and the unnecessary ways they compare him with Dangote.


BigIyanga:

Liar.. Dangote was importing and rebagging cement before it ventured into refining with full govt backing. Their core competence was in cement, import and logistics

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by ejanla077: 3:51am On Apr 04, 2020
seunmsg:


There is a global demand for ventilators at the moment, he doesn’t even need to sell to Nigeria. Countries all over the world would rush him if he can deliver.

But truth be told, Innoson cannot produce any ventilators anytime soon even if FG gives him N4b. It will take him nothing less than 3-6 months to come up with anything close to a ventilator. Trump had to activate the defense production act to force GM to start producing ventilators. Even at that, GM has made it clear it can only deliver about 4,000 ventilators by April ending even though Trump is requesting 40,000. That’s to tell you how complicated the process of producing ventilators is.

I saw a BBC clip this morning where a reporter was lamenting that a consortium of Mercedes and Mclaren could only produce 30 ventilators. Innoson is nowhere near all these companies in terms of anything. Again, Innoson imports 95% of his parts from China. All he does in Nigeria is assemble.

Hateful conehead afonja. Your hate stops nothing

Yoruba and hate

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Ezemust: 3:53am On Apr 04, 2020
seunmsg:


There is a global demand for ventilators at the moment, he doesn’t even need to sell to Nigeria. Countries all over the world would rush him if he can deliver.

But truth be told, Innoson cannot produce any ventilators anytime soon even if FG gives him N4b. It will take him nothing less than 3-6 months to come up with anything close to a ventilator. Trump had to activate the defense production act to force GM to start producing ventilators. Even at that, GM has made it clear it can only deliver about 4,000 ventilators by April ending even though Trump is requesting 40,000. That’s to tell you how complicated the process of producing ventilators is.

I saw a BBC clip this morning where a reporter was lamenting that a consortium of Mercedes and Mclaren could only produce 30 ventilators. Innoson is nowhere near all these companies in terms of anything. Again, Innoson imports 95% of his parts from China. All he does in Nigeria is assemble.
innoson is 20% import
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by ejanla077: 3:53am On Apr 04, 2020
leokid866:

After how many billions he spent drilling and searching for the oil for almost four years before he even found drop One.....let innoson give one prototype first before asking for 4billIon.

Low iq zombie.

U don't drill and search for oil to own a refinery. Both re two different business.. Mumu


Na so una go dey disgrace up and down

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Ezemust: 3:54am On Apr 04, 2020
seunmsg:


There is a global demand for ventilators at the moment, he doesn’t even need to sell to Nigeria. Countries all over the world would rush him if he can deliver.

But truth be told, Innoson cannot produce any ventilators anytime soon even if FG gives him N4b. It will take him nothing less than 3-6 months to come up with anything close to a ventilator. Trump had to activate the defense production act to force GM to start producing ventilators. Even at that, GM has made it clear it can only deliver about 4,000 ventilators by April ending even though Trump is requesting 40,000. That’s to tell you how complicated the process of producing ventilators is.

I saw a BBC clip this morning where a reporter was lamenting that a consortium of Mercedes and Mclaren could only produce 30 ventilators. Innoson is nowhere near all these companies in terms of anything. Again, Innoson imports 95% of his parts from China. All he does in Nigeria is assemble.
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by oyatz(m): 3:57am On Apr 04, 2020
When you point one finger at someone,the remaining four will point to you.















GamalNasser:
The tone of his response says it all , bleeping bigot

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Hyperchi(m): 3:58am On Apr 04, 2020
oyatz:
Dangote transited from importation of cement to manufacturing of cement in 2003 with his acquisition of Benue Cement Company.

Around 2007, the newly built Obajana cement company merged with BCC to form Dangote Cement Company.

The company diversified into Oil refinery (which is still under construction) much more later.




#Personslly, i don't know why many young Igbos online become emotional when discussing about Innoson especially with the ways they always portray him as a persecuted business man and the unnecessary ways they compare him with Dangote.



My guy forget that tin, we are been persecute that the real truth, list how many cement company we had 10yrs ago and how many we have active now and what happened to them?
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by oyatz(m): 4:04am On Apr 04, 2020
Apart from this ventilators issue, Government can partner with industrialists like Innoson, Dangote, BUA etc.


Innoson seems to model his business largely on Government patronage. He should start targeting the larger populace.





Malawian:
Do you guys know that you can't go to any type of market whatsoever and purchase a Steam turbine? You will have to place order for it and it will be manufactured for you.

All innoson is saying is that the FG should place an order for ventilators and mobilize him to produce them.

That is his business model.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by idealogical: 4:10am On Apr 04, 2020
I see all the innoson supporters are arguing based on ethnic and tribal sentiments instead of realistic, basic economics, forward-looking business, and proactive strategies., this is why it's always hard to get into any kind of intelligent and rational discussion with this crowd.


If Innoson as a serious business entity can not produce common respirators without N4 billion FG loan, then the company should just go ahead and pack up, now I see why after so many years, Innoson is still totally depended on government patronage for survival instead of the general consumer market.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by oyatz(m): 4:10am On Apr 04, 2020
Hyperchi:


My guy forget that tin, we are been persecute that the real truth, list how many cement company we had 10yrs ago and how many we have active now and what happened to them?


Bros, nobody is persecuting you.

The ways you guys attack other Nigerians over Innoson which you erroneously assume is to protect Innoson will actually hurt his business growth.


There are many cement factories in Nigeria e.g West African Lafarge (Elephant cement), Dangote, BUA, Ibeto Cement etc.


Mergers and acquisition of businesses occurs in different sectors of the economy (construction, banking, Aviation etc)

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by oyatz(m): 4:16am On Apr 04, 2020
You have a good understanding of Basic Economics.




Thumbs up sir.



mekaboy:


Sure. Why dont we cut the middle man completely and have the whites colonize us. After all we order everything from there. That way they can bring their factories here.

Even the traditional materials we wear are imported and tailors assemble them here, why dont we just import all the clothes.

Why are we wasting time assembling face masks, when the materials are made in china? We can just order from china.

The machines we use in processing rice and other foods are made in china, we can as well import rice direct.



China buys oil from us and converts to fuel and use for other stuff. Why dont they just other fuel from from us, since the assemble our oil?

If 10% of the things we use in Nigeria are assembled here, unemployment would have reduced by 90%.

Let me educate you on one advantage of assembling . A container might take only 5 cars, but if the parts are shipped 20 or more cars can be assembled from one container. Saving time and cost of shipping.

I guess our hospitals also assemble drugs etc here, no wonder buhari will cut the middle men to go and get healthcare direct from UK. This thing called common sense is not common.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by HMarshal(m): 4:58am On Apr 04, 2020
PHIPEX:
Dangote didn't just start, he got govt backing which is very good. Do you know how many times CBN and other senior officials visited his site? This is how a country should run. You don't expect Innoson to run to a bank and take 4billion loan just on HOPE that govt will buy, who does that?

I see point in this
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Agboriotejoye(m): 5:32am On Apr 04, 2020
Fariq:
He is right. They can produce and even export it as the world demand is increasing. No need to wait for the government to tell you "do so". After all, it's your own private company.
This bashir Ahmad is a total idiot. Since Bayero University is producing, why then did he beg Elon for respirators we can't get and can't work for us? That shows the problem with them in dis govt. They're so incompetent, they don't know when they contradict themselves.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Agboriotejoye(m): 5:37am On Apr 04, 2020
idealogical:
I see all the innoson supporters are arguing based on ethnic and tribal sentiments instead of realistic, basic economics, forward-looking business, and proactive strategies., this is why it's always hard to get into any kind of intelligent and rational discussion with this crowd.


If Innoson as a serious business entity can not produce common respirators without N4 billion FG loan, then the company should just go ahead and pack up, now I see why after so many years, Innoson is still totally depended on government patronage for survival instead of the general consumer market.
See how dull you are? The same Elon he went to beg has been running his company at a loss. Why didn't you ask him to pack up? It has emerged afterwards that Elon didn't produce those ventilators himself, he purchased them from resmed with the intention to resell but found out he purchased the wrong type, yet this govt fed ignoramus went a begging. Even if innoson intends to import parts and package here, is it not cheaper and faster than buying wholes or begging for that matter. Bashir can also beg his Bayero University to produce more since they're already producing. Fucking bigot like his oga

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Agboriotejoye(m): 5:42am On Apr 04, 2020
oyatz:
The guy said the naked truth sir.


Yeah. The naked bigotry in him came out. Since Bayero University is already producing, why then did he go to bed Elon for respirators? Dis is same idiot who claimed millionaires are popping up in Kano. He lies like he's drinking water.
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Agboriotejoye(m): 5:52am On Apr 04, 2020
mekaboy:


You are in no position to determine what he can and cannot do . The same innoson with very little capacity is the one GTB a whole corporate entity went into his account to steal funds from.

Even if he assembles parts from china, is the end product not a car?

The main point here is that government has to reach out to know what he needs to support in the production. Does he need to fly in more chinese partners? Does he need waivers to bring in parts?

Nigeria is so unstable, ventilators cost much and it's not something you jump into producing for government. They could end up taking it on credit and wont pay after the pandemic.

There is alot that goes into such and he knows why he is making himself available if the government needs assistance.

The UK government placed order for 10,000 ventilators from Dyson. They started to work on it after Boris Johnson called the owner of the company to request. Their major product is not ventilators, but they had to on request of the government. That's how things are done.

You dont sit in the comfort of your room producing nothing and determine what someone who started from scratch to build a multibillion naira business can and cannot do.

This is beyond you.
Besides Boris, other countries are calling on their indigenous auto makers to produce ventilators. While we're busy making begging a national policy. What is wrong with engaging and getting him to get even if it's the parts in at knockdown price.
Besides if Bashir is being truthful about buk, why then all the fuss about ventilators? Simply ask them to expand their production lines!! I'll be happy to work there as a volunteer.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Agboriotejoye(m): 5:58am On Apr 04, 2020
seunmsg:


According to Innoson, it will take about 3 months to produce the ventilators even if FG gives him N4b. So, why should FG give him such a huge amount of money when there’s a possibility that nobody will need the ventilators in the next three months?

If no serious businessman will commit money to such an investment, why should FG be blackmailed into committing huge funds to such an adventure?

Nobody is forcing FG to move money to innoson. What we're saying is instead of begging Elon who clearly mentioned the category of nations he wants to give respirators to, though it has since emerged those are not the type that work for covid-19, why can't they engage buk to expand their production so they can meet at least half of local demand? Is begging a favourable national policy to the dunce than local solutions?

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Agboriotejoye(m): 5:59am On Apr 04, 2020
leokid866:
This is funfere koroye.... he designed and built a mechanical ventilator in 2 weeks meanwhile oga innoson that has not put bolt and screw together is asking for 4billion....lol.
Good. Can the govt now engage this young man or BUK instead of begging around?

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by nonen(m): 6:00am On Apr 04, 2020
rusher14:


Dangote had already started building his refinery.

He had already received loans from his banks.

The government is right even the USA would buy Innosons ventilators, so what is he waiting for?

That is the thinking that’s keeping us behind. You refer to USA without knowing what’s going on there. Trump’s administration has been pleading to USA automobile companies to rejigger their plants into ventilator production plants. Government negotiates for such because the lives of their citizens are priceless .

Firstly, these are not normal times, the need for a expedited solutions outweighs bureaucratic bottlenecks, especially as those solutions don’t threaten the life of users.

Secondly, innoson has produced thousands of cars and have thousands of customers, that’s amazing credibility he’s built for himself. Those cars have served equally as other renowned brands.

Thirdly, there’s no attempt by government to engage him because of political reasons.

Interestingly, the university claiming to build a prototype is a fully funded government university that doesn’t generate revenue. After the prototype, they will need an innoson type of factory to start producing the prototypes, or have to built a new factory, or as we usually do, take the prototype to China, build it there and import with forex. lol. mumu

I have been of the argument that leadership is the problem in Nigeria, but I’m beginning to see that fellowership is even worse.

A country that can’t trust its citizens, but is quick to lick the arses of a white skinned man will never succeed. It becomes even worse when it’s citizens support such stupidity due to emotional reasons and not facts. The government can’t produce, can’t support those who can because they’re not from their extraction.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Agboriotejoye(m): 6:06am On Apr 04, 2020
leokid866:

Lol....Dyson just started building ventilators after coronavirus....and you think boris did not see the design before placing the order? Would you buy something you have not seen before or have tested? Ps in case you don't know Dyson are vacuum cleaner makers who designed and started building their own ventilators to help shortages also adding an additional 5 thousands to the production line as part of their contributions....and lastly log onto instagram and see people from alibaba to the Psquare boys and Mavins crew promoting the young man and tagging all the necessary agencies and promissing to get him the needed meetings.....like I said preparedness meets opportunity.....if you cannot find a place in your heart to support your own please stand by yourself.

PSquare and Mavin's crew promised to get him the needed meetings. Lol. Which country are they talking about? Nigeria or Switzerland? You better get real instead of yarning dust.
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by rusher14: 6:26am On Apr 04, 2020
nonen:

[s]That is the thinking that’s keeping us behind. You refer to USA without knowing what’s going on there. Trump’s administration has been pleading to USA automobile companies to rejigger their plants into ventilator production plants. Government negotiates for such because the lives of their citizens are priceless[/s]

Where is his prototype?

All this grammar for nothing.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Nobody: 6:52am On Apr 04, 2020
leokid866:

There will still be jobs created.....from the people who will ship the cars, to those that will clear it, to those that will drive, wash, service,and fuel them, and also those who have stocks in Toyota and honda....which are a lot of Nigerians.....in case you don't Nigerians have been holding Toyota and Honda stocks since the 90s.

He is talking about the bigger picture of assembly and manufacturing, which still entails all of these jobs you mentioned and even more.

His argument is better because it covers all you have stated and even more..

Think.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Nobody: 7:19am On Apr 04, 2020
This thread proves that there is ALWAYS a difference between sentimental fools and idiots who argue, and rational minds who discuss intelligently.

Each commenter knows where they belong.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by PHIPEX(m): 7:35am On Apr 04, 2020
idealogical:
I see all the innoson supporters are arguing based on ethnic and tribal sentiments instead of realistic, basic economics, forward-looking business, and proactive strategies., this is why it's always hard to get into any kind of intelligent and rational discussion with this crowd.


If Innoson as a serious business entity can not produce common respirators without N4 billion FG loan, then the company should just go ahead and pack up, now I see why after so many years, Innoson is still totally depended on government patronage for survival instead of the general consumer market.
Yes he should be more forward looking and diversify.
Now how about your govt, shouldn't the govt be forward looking too to have hone grown industry rather than beg? Shouldn't they be interested in ensuring a company like Dangote, Innoson etc succeeds by providing the enabling environments which in this case is a loan?

Mention any 2 private companies globally that has diverted to medical goods on its own without govt support in this last 2 months? Or you think that they don't see the opportunity you see?
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Hisduchess(f): 7:41am On Apr 04, 2020
PHIPEX:
No serious businessman makes such huge investment for a demand that could be over in less than 4 months except the company wants to go into such production for a long term which is not the case we are having. You dont build refinery because NUPENG is on strike and fuel is scarce, that's what you are asking Innoson to do.

The demand for ventilators has a very short span and very unpredictable, only a guaranteed order can make any serious company make such a huge investment in it. That also explains why it's still scarce otherwise every Tom Dick and harry will divert to it in other countries.

GM can now produce because Trump has given an order. Why haven't Toyota and Honda started? It's simply because they haven't gotten a concrete order and Japan is not in dire need of it like Nigerian.

You are a good analyst.thank you very much for this,most times our tribal hatred doesn't make us think straight.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Sterope(f): 8:04am On Apr 04, 2020
Quite a dumb reply. Why is he reacting to bigots? Now that he has joined Innoson, he must he happy with his silly reply.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by kalufelix(m): 8:05am On Apr 04, 2020
oyatz:
I hope you know that there are several brands of vehicles that are assembled in Nigeria?




Yes i know..just like IVMotors..lol .. why the fuss and hatred then?? Is it because its an indigenous brand or because it survived all the margnalization policies and its sitting pretty tight at nnewi and not abeokuta...or does it have anything to do with the tribe of the CEO....nawa o!
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by KEVIND: 8:06am On Apr 04, 2020
Bashir-ahmed Lied About Bayero University Producing Ventilators
https://www.nairaland.com/5773101/bashir-ahmed-lied-bayero-university-producing

Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by VillagePipu: 8:06am On Apr 04, 2020
NwaNimo1:
Innoson needs the 4billion he requested to mobilize.

The same Innoson just "donated 2.5 Billion" to the Covid19 response na.

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