OlaoChi:


You are as well inconsequential and that's the truth. Neither of us are historians but at least I am not the one springing up stories and claims from imagination. I actually stay within the realms of history and facts established by actual historians

Just imaging your mindset? As usual, yo delved into, what you have no knowledge of. Anyway, kindly show me where, you and I opined on discipline.... Ignorance is no more a disease on you but it has plagued you.

Olu317:
Just imaging your mindset? As usual, yo delved into, what you have no knowledge of. Anyway, kindly show me where, you and I opined on discipline.... Ignorance is no more a disease on you but it has plagued you.

Sir, since you are not ignorant why not provide evidence. enough stories and claims, just evidence. Please address my post with the pictures

OlaoChi:


Many erroneous thoughts here..

Lexical similarity within the Niger congo group of languages is precisely why they are grouped together.But you do not expect different languages to have 70% similarity, that is boarding on dialectical differences. That is why only languages(actually dialects) within yorubaland share around and over 70% similarity. [see attached photo]
i would love to know how much similarity Yoruba shares with Hebrew or any other semitic language

And what is the fuss about yoruba Glass bead making and Bronze heads? After all these are home grown, I do not see how this buttress your point

Ephod is not an oracle it is a garment

You are absolutely irrelevant to yoruba study. You Google Ephod and because you saw garment, and you fell for it. Well, here is what Ephod is said to be. According to the account of David's inquiry from Ephod, see below. Does this passage mean the same as your filthy information, you think you want to use to damn my research? Your mastery in ignorance is unequal

watutsi:


Well, a lot of you Yoruba have ugly noses so the guy who made it just wanted to make the "art "prettier (hamite). The Yorubas are not hamite! Only some Africans can claim the hamitic theory and you're obvious not one of them.

The outward physical attributes on a body are adaptations to physiological structure inside the body and its balance with the elements and atmospheric pressure outside.

Example...look at lion's nose, proportionally short and flared. Look at horse's nose, long and aquiline. They both have speed and strength, but one hunts, the other does not. Thats example of adaptation.
Next compare camel's nose, short and flared. Look at donkey's nose, long and aquiline.
They both travel long distance and carry heavy load on back. Yet the endurance of donkey, impressive as it is, will not survive the desert, whereas a camel can criss cross the desert with ease.

So the land and conditions and local environment has done much in the evolution of Yoruba that the image represented by the Ife heads have all but almost dissapeared from the facial structure you see today.

Physiologically the Yoruba is very healthy and its blood strong.

BabaRamota1980:


The outward physical attributes on a body are adaptations to physiological structure inside the body and its balance with the elements and atmospheric pressure outside.

Example...look at lion's nose, proportionally short and flared. Look at horse's nose, long and aquiline. They both have speed and strength, but one hunts, the other does not. Thats example of adaptation.
Next compare camel's nose, short and flared. Look at donkey's nose, long and aquiline.
They both travel long distance and carry heavy load on back. Yet the endurance of donkey, impressive as it is, will not survive the desert, whereas a camel can criss cross the desert with ease.

So the land and conditions and local environment has done much in the evolution of Yoruba that the image represented by the Ife heads have all but almost dissapeared from the facial structure you see today.

Physiologically the Yoruba is very healthy and its blood strong.

More than that. Bro survival of reproduction changed some facial features . Marrying from non clans of one do change people's facial feature. I chose not answer that guy because, his statement is incorrect. Check Yoruba nosal feature and you will see, his statement isn't true. Look up Sportmen, Musicians, Actors, your instagram,twitter etc,what you will see will amaze you that guy just lied. Although, this isn't necessary, because the Art and mode of life were all non Western Africa.

OlaoChi:


Many erroneous thoughts here..

Lexical similarity within the Niger congo group of languages is precisely why they are grouped together.But you do not expect different languages to have 70% similarity, that is boarding on dialectical differences. That is why only languages(actually dialects) within yorubaland share around and over 70% similarity. [see attached photo]
i would love to know how much similarity Yoruba shares with Hebrew or any other semitic language

And what is the fuss about yoruba Glass bead making and Bronze heads? After all these are home grown, I do not see how this buttress your point

Ephod is not an oracle it is a garment

In the African experience language as a media of communication and exchange has many forms.

1. Spoken words
2. Arts
3. Symbols
4. Music
5. Dance
6. Rituals.

The classification of Niger/Congo is only in spoken words. What classification can we group the other five categpries into?

Olu317:
You are absolutely irrelevant to yoruba study. You Google Ephod and because you saw garment, and you fell for it. Well, here is what Ephod is said to be according to Bible.

smh. real shaking my head here for how this just went down.

The Ephod is not an oracle..you got a quick erection there by reading 'oracular purposes' without understanding what purpose exactly. it is a garment, a garment with pockets and a breast plate were the Urim and Thummim are kept. The Ephod is not an Oracle or a divination system do dont compare it to Ifa.

How is Ephod yoruba study, mr. man shut the hell up and stop hyping yourself, you ought to be ashamed of yourself, simple english you cannot understand. See who thinks he is relevant... go get a life, it takes a real lowlife with no employment to resort to pseudohistory. Here is the full statement...

Besides use as a garment, an Ephod was also used for oracular purposes, in conjunction with Urim and Thummim;[5] the books of Samuel imply that whenever Saul or David wished to question God via oracular methods, they asked a priest for the ephod.[5] Since the oracular process is considered by scholars to have been one of cleromancy, with the Urim and Thummim being the objects which were drawn as lots, the Ephod is considered by scholars to have been some form of container for the Urim and Thummim;[2][5] to harmonise this with the descriptions of the Ephod as a garment, it is necessary to conclude that the Ephod must have originally been some sort of pocket, which the priests girded to themselves.[1][2] However, the biblical text states the Urim and Thummim were placed in the breastplate, not the ephod (Leviticus 8:. The integration of the stones in the breastplate, as well as the Hebrew usage of "Urim" as "lights," suggest that the Urim and Thummim may have been a type of ocular device through which the priest would look when receiving divine communication.[6]

BabaRamota1980:



In the African experience language as a media of communication and exchange has many forms.

1. Spoken words
2. Arts
3. Symbols
4. Music
5. Dance
6. Rituals.

The classification of Niger/Congo is only in spoken words. What classification can we group the other five categpries into?

Please where did you get this assertion from? can i have a source?

OlaoChi:
smh. real shaking my head here for how this just went down.

The Ephod is not an oracle..you got a quick erection there by reading 'oracular purposes' without understanding what purpose exactly. it is a garment, a garment with pockets and a breast plate were the Urim and Thummim are kept. The Ephod is not an Oracle or a divination system do dont compare it to Ifa.

How is Ephod yoruba study, mr. man shut the hell up and stop hyping yourself, you ought to be ashamed of yourself, simple english you cannot understand. See who thinks he is relevant... go get a life, it takes a real lowlife with no employment to resort to pseudohistory. Here is the full statement...

Given the scholarship work in that article and the equation of garment to mean pocket, what sense should one make of a scriptural verse that says...."your wife is your garment"?


Scholars are sometimes wrong. Lets be bold to challenge scholarship work that fell short of enlightenement.


Garment is a cover, a shield against one's private business being exposed. Its protection against vulnerability.

The sense of ephod as a garment will be to consult ephod and obtain protection. Ephod is gateway to the shield needed to cover oneself (garment).

OlaoChi:
Please where did you get this assertion from? can i have a source?

You need a source to tell you music is a medium of communication?

How about the phrase...."music is a universal language"?

Will that be a good source.....perharps?


You dont know Art is a form of communication?

How did Frobenius saw Ori Olokun and instantly connected it to the Atlantis and Greeks? Communication my friend.

BabaRamota1980:


Yoruba is a spirituality. The language of devotion and worship of different orishas is in Yoruba. The rites of worship and submission to the Holiness of the One God is in Yoruba. The wisdom, philosophy and creeds in the manuscript of Ifa is in Yoruba.

The above is basically the cultural template in every Yoruba town or city under rulership of a dynasty king.

There is no reference in the deeds of spirituality of Yoruba to Ugbo.

The classifican on language was done in respect of regional abode. Yoruba lives amongst the Niger/Congo we classify them into that. In addition, the classification itself was greatly aided by works of Rev Crowther, himself a Yoruba. But his own knowledge of literature and letters had been contaminated with Eurocentric teachings and inaccuracies about Africa.

If you want to understand Yoruba thoroughly follow its arts and rites of worship. Compare that with sorrounding ethnics to see if you find continuity. Then compare same with Semitic roots and see if there is a continuity.


If children of Israel descended from Ethiopia and causes the similarity in features then given her description Sheba could not have been Ethiopian.

Wrong! The classification was done by actual linguists who considered actual language not geographical proximity. Please read

The language family most likely originated in or near the area where these languages were spoken prior to Bantu expansion (i.e. West Africa or Central Africa). Its expansion may have been associated with the expansion of Sahel agriculture in the African Neolithic period, following the desiccation of the Sahara in c. 3900 BC.[7]

According to Roger Blench (2004), all specialists in Niger–Congo languages believe the languages to have a common origin, rather than merely constituting a typological classification, for reasons including their shared noun-class system, shared verbal extensions and shared basic lexicon.[8] Similar classifications to Niger–Congo have been made ever since Diedrich Westermann in 1922.[9] Joseph Greenberg continued that tradition, making it the starting point for modern linguistic classification in Africa, with some of his most notable publications going to press starting in the 1960s.[10] However, there has been active debate for many decades over the appropriate subclassifications of the languages in this language family, which is a key tool used in localising a language's place of origin.[11] No definitive "Proto-Niger–Congo" lexicon or grammar has been developed for the language family as a whole.

When you even look at the sub-classifications you would realize that these are based on linguistics not geographic habitation do you see how some subclass spread to unconnected areas and look at the isolation of Ijaw language, despite being surrounded by Yoruba, Edoid and Igbo languages

Since i clarified that you dont need a source to validate the below. My question still stands if you would like to answer it.

Here....

In the African experience language as a media of communication and exchange has many forms.

1. Spoken words
2. Arts
3. Symbols
4. Music
5. Dance
6. Rituals.

The classification of Niger/Congo is only in spoken words. What classification can we group the other five categpries into?

BabaRamota1980:



Given the scholarship work in that article and the equation of garment to mean pocket, what sense should one make of a scriptural verse that says...."your wife is your garment"?


Scholars are sometimes wrong. Lets be bold to challenge scholarship work that fell short of enlightenement.


Garment is a cover, a shield against one's private business being exposed. Its protection against vulnerability.

The sense of ephod as a garment will be to consult ephod and obtain protection. Ephod is gateway to the shield needed to cover oneself (garment).

Garment was not explicitly equated to mean pocket, it implied the Ephod has a pocket. When did Ifa develop pocket

If scholars are wrong, i dont think it would take a non scholar to prove them wrong, i think one would need to perform much field research and publish academic works for scrutiny. In Nigeria every tom dick and harry wants to form historian, thats why they removed history from the school curriculum, no scrutiny

The use of the word 'garment' was not metaphoric, please do not apply metaphors here. The Ephod is actually worn

OlaoChi:


Garment was not explicitly equated to mean pocket, it implied the Ephod has a pocket. When did Ifa develop pocket

If scholars are wrong, i dont think it would take a non scholar to prove them wrong, i think one would need to perform much field research and publish academic works for scrutiny. In Nigeria every tom dick and harry wants to form historian, thats why they removed history from the school curriculum, no scrutiny

The use of the word 'garment' was not metaphoric, please do not apply metaphors here. The Ephod is actually worn

How versed are you in Yoruba culture?

I know we have internet Yoruba experts that go to google and wikipedia to buttress points. For things not archived in google they get stuck and end up wasting peoples time.

I dont want this to be a fruitless journey. How versed are you in Yoruba culture, outside google and wiki?


You ever heard of LABA?

Olaochi

If you took this long to anseer question on LABA you have never heard of it, dont know what it is....and you are parambulating internet combing websites trying to find LABA.


Im tired of you pseudo experts wasting my time with your google degrees and diplomas.


Let me know when you find what LABA is.

BabaRamota1980:


How versed are you in Yoruba culture?

I know we have internet Yoruba experts that go to google and wikipedia to buttress points. For things not archived in google they get stuck and end up wasting peoples time.

I dont want this to be a fruitless journey. How versed are you in Yoruba culture, outside google and wiki?


You ever heard of LABA?

I am no expert, never claimed to be, but there are those who know less but what to claim to know more than professors

Would be nice if you show how Ifa is a pocket.. this is getting interesting

BabaRamota1980:




You need a source to tell you music is a medium of communication?

How about the phrase...."music is a universal language"?

Will that be a good source.....perharps?


You dont know Art is a form of communication?

How did Frobenius saw Ori Olokun and instantly connected it to the Atlantis and Greeks? Communication my friend.

obviously Music and Art are mediums of communication so is language. But you dont seem consistent...earlier you said Language has 6 forms and mentioned music, symbol, art, dance. where did you learn that from? what are your sources? did a linguist teach you that? all these are simple questions cause we should try to be prepared to either prove our assertions or at least refer to our sources

So are you saying Frobenius was right? cus the way i see it Frobenius didnt catch the communication the Ife bronzes were trying to relay

Let us trash out this issue of linguistic forms and then you cannot show how Yoruba language is similar to Hebrew or Arabic

Olu forgive me for chasing your opponent away.


Heyy, Olaochi, abeg forget about finding what LABA is. Never mind. Just come back and continue your posts abeg.

OlaoChi:


obviously Music and Art are mediums of communication so is language. But you dont seem consistent...earlier you said Language has 6 forms and mentioned music, symbol, art, dance. where did you learn that from? what are your sources? did a linguist teach you that? all these are simple questions cause we should try to be prepared to either prove our assertions or at least refer to our sources

So are you saying Frobenius was right? cus the way i see it Frobenius didnt catch the communication the Ife bronzes were trying to relay

Let us trash out this issue of linguistic forms and then you cannot show how Yoruba language is similar to Hebrew or Arabic

Im glad you are softened and conciliatory now.

Yes we all learn from each other in this medium so humility is key, not brute force and close mindedness.

BabaRamota1980:
Olaochi

If you took this long to anseer question on LABA you have never heard of it, dont know what it is....and you are parambulating internet combing websites trying to find LABA.


Im tired of you pseudo experts wasting my time with your google degrees and diplomas.


Let me know when you find what LABA is.

oh geez.. this is just stupid. first of all i am allowed to take 5 minute breaks from nairaland.. its not like im on here every minute of my life. secondly, it is not a crime or even a shame to not know, it is only despicable when one who doesnt know tries to form the authority, where experts have not even explored.

Not surpringly i have come across Laba(claimed to be a bag used by Babalawos) only on the internet. Not saying it isnt just pointing that out. Yet how this connects to the middle east is yet to be shown

BabaRamota1980:


Im glad you are softened and conciliatory now.

Yes we all learn from each other in this medium so humility is key, not brute force and close mindedness.

now Yet you have nothing to teach? can you show how yoruba is not related to other niger-congo languages but rather Hebrew and Arabic?

Let us trash out this issue of linguistic forms and then you cannot show how Yoruba language is similar to Hebrew or Arabic

If you see a black lady on the streets of New York dressed in Buba, Iro and Gele, her appearance communicates to you and you interprete it based on your preconditioning and memory.

Because you have memory and preconditioned you recognize her to be Yoruba right away. Thats exchange of information.....we call it communication.

You say to her "E kaasan o". She responded in English and says everyone mistake her for Yoruba but she is not, she just loves and dresses Yoruba.

The second aspect is also an exchange of information.


Lets look at a third scenario.

Instead of a black lady, its a white lady in the Yoruba outfit.

You will never approach her with the greeting in Yoruba to begin with.

....but she has also exchanged information with you.

In the first scenario you positively identified as a cultural Yoruba because all the highlights that make one a Yoruba are outwardly present. However you obtained a negative identity when you tested her in spoken language. In the third scenario you acknowledged as mere expression of fashion, not culture....because she is missing certain attributes known as Yoruba.


In all of these you can see how communication is dynamic.
Spoken language is one of many attributes of a dynamic exchange in ideas and information.


Total communication compprises of 1. Spoken words
2. Arts.
3. Symbols
4. Music......

....and so on.

The classification of Yoruba into a language category is only for their spoken words.

But Yoruba is more than just spoken words. How about their other artifacts and legacies in Arts, Symbols, Music, Worship, Rituals....do they share these attributes in common with neighbouring as they do in spoken words or not?


We know they dont. So where can we find commonality for these other aspects of Yoruba.

People have devoted time in here to that quest. I used to be like you. I antagonized people like metaphysical, yemiluv, precious, and so on. One day i heard somebody talk of alhaji and ajo as well umrah and imura. I looked deeply into that. Im muslim and bit offended that these guys ridiculed things that i was taught and raised to regard as sacred. It was hard accepting that Yoruba may have indeed donated many of the rites used in Islamic prayers. At over 33, i cant now start learning Ifa, in fact im never going to abandon Islam but I can accept my knowledge as a challenge to find meaning. I can see how a person can loose their sanity if their mind is opened to too much before their spirit is ready for acceptance. Ive come across certain things and i just shut the book and closed the knowledge out. I dont want to know! .

Show humility you will learn a lot, from both sides of the argument.

OlaoChi:
now Yet you have nothing to teach? can you show how yoruba is not related to other niger-congo languages but rather Hebrew and Arabic?

Please list five members of the Niger-Congo. Make it Yoruba and four others of your choice. Do not include proto-Yoruba.

BabaRamota1980,

Calming Yoruba to be distinct Semitic ppl is completely baseless. They aren’t even part of the broader Afroasiatic. I don’t know why you aren’t proud of your West African root. Genetic has shown that the ppl to be largely similar with other West Africans and linguistic has shown that the language is Niger-Congo.

Sheba ethnicity is unknown but she ruled Ethiopia/Eritrea, Sudan and Yemen.

Hati13:
BabaRamota1980,

Calming Yoruba to be distinct Semitic ppl is completely baseless. They aren’t even part of the broader Afroasiatic. I don’t know why you aren’t proud of your West African root. Genetic has shown that the ppl to be largely similar with other West Africans and linguistic has shown that the language is Niger-Congo.

Sheba ethnicity is unknown but she ruled Ethiopia/Eritrea, Sudan and Yemen.

Sheba ethnicity is known. You Ethiopians dont know but we Yorubas know. Sheba was an Ijebu woman.

You are caught in my trap, Hati


Do you not see that you Ethiopians have a different feature than your neighbors to the North, West and South of you? You only share feature with those to your East and upward from them all way to Jordan. Correct?

What explains for your difference in the neighborhood of black negroids?

BabaRamota1980:


Please list five members of the Niger-Congo. Make it Yoruba and four others of your choice. Do not include proto-Yoruba.

. Ìgala. Igbó. Fon. Akàn.

BabaRamota1980:



Sheba ethnicity is known. You Ethiopians dont know but we Yorubas know. Sheba was an Ijebu woman.

You are caught in my trap, Hati


Do you not see that you Ethiopians have a different feature than your neighbors to the North, West and South of you? You only share feature with those to your East and upward from them all way to Jordan. Correct?

What explains for your difference in the neighborhood of black negroids?

More than one ppl claim Sheba and that why I said her ethnicity is unknown. But she probably ruled Sudan, Ethiopia/Eritrea and Yemen (sorry not as far as Nigeria). I’m not in your trap.

Ethiopians have negriod blood. There were an extensive admixture with Nilotic ppl. But the reason why most are distinct from neighboring ppl in north, south and west areas is primarily because they are descendants of Afroasiatic. Sheba was either from Afroasiatic or Nilo-Sahara speakers background of Nile valley.

BabaRamota1980:


If you see a black lady on the streets of New York dressed in Buba, Iro and Gele, her appearance communicates to you and you interprete it based on your preconditioning and memory.

Because you have memory and preconditioned you recognize her to be Yoruba right away. Thats exchange of information.....we call it communication.

You say to her "E kaasan o". She responded in English and says everyone mistake her for Yoruba but she is not, she just loves and dresses Yoruba.

The second aspect is also an exchange of information.


Lets look at a third scenario.

Instead of a black lady, its a white lady in the Yoruba outfit.

You will never approach her with the greeting in Yoruba to begin with.

....but she has also exchanged information with you.

In the first scenario you positively identified as a cultural Yoruba because all the highlights that make one a Yoruba are outwardly present. However you obtained a negative identity when you tested her in spoken language. In the third scenario you acknowledged as mere expression of fashion, not culture....because she is missing certain attributes known as Yoruba.


In all of these you can see how communication is dynamic.
Spoken language is one of many attributes of a dynamic exchange in ideas and information.


Total communication compprises of 1. Spoken words
2. Arts.
3. Symbols
4. Music......

....and so on.

The classification of Yoruba into a language category is only for their spoken words.

But Yoruba is more than just spoken words. How about their other artifacts and legacies in Arts, Symbols, Music, Worship, Rituals....do they share these attributes in common with neighbouring as they do in spoken words or not?


We know they dont. So where can we find commonality for these other aspects of Yoruba.

People have devoted time in here to that quest. I used to be like you. I antagonized people like metaphysical, yemiluv, precious, and so on. One day i heard somebody talk of alhaji and ajo as well umrah and imura. I looked deeply into that. Im muslim and bit offended that these guys ridiculed things that i was taught and raised to regard as sacred. It was hard accepting that Yoruba may have indeed donated many of the rites used in Islamic prayers. At over 33, i cant now start learning Ifa, in fact im never going to abandon Islam but I can accept my knowledge as a challenge to find meaning. I can see how a person can loose their sanity if their mind is opened to too much before their spirit is ready for acceptance. Ive come across certain things and i just shut the book and closed the knowledge out. I dont want to know! .

Show humility you will learn a lot, from both sides of the argument.

oh geez! like seriously. This ist it? I'm literally so sorry for you rn. These people you mentioned just misled you into pseudohistory and outright stupidity. How do you not understand basic things like " language classification is simply what it is = bloody language classifications" not some total communication iro and buba wearing gag

All this mumbo-jumbo woman in ankara and gèlè is how Yoruba is more semetic than Niger - Congo? Seriously is this how you got a degree in the University (if you went to the university)... How did you manage to write your thesis with off point logic like this?

What else did you expect a language classification to be based on if not LANGUAGE
Its not an art or music classification... It's a bloody language classification so yes Niger - Congo is based on language

Yet in all this... Language is a way to denote common history in a people. The fact that Yoruba are linguistically grouped in the Niger-Congo classification denotes a shared history with other members of the group at one time at least.
Also Genetics has proven that Yoruba are most genetically similar to members of the Niger-Congo family... With 93% E1b1a haplogroup
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger%E2%80%93Congo_languages

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V38

Btw I thought you said Yoruba is only grouped int Niger-congo due to geography not actual linguistic criteria? Whats up with this lack of consistency?

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Can you tell me what difference exist between these art works from two different ethnicities that speak a Niger Congo language? Which is Yoruba and which is not
Let's see just how different Yoruba art is from that of her neighbors

OlaoChi:
. Ìgala. Igbó. Fon. Akàn.

Igala is proto-Yoruba but thats fine.


If I say "oju", "enu", "owo", "mama", "baba", "omo", ......all Yoruba words, Im sure you can find word cognates in those other cultures to match in meaning and spelling.

Here below are just a few of the symbolisms in Yorubaland. I want you to find cognates for them anywhere in the symbolism of these people you listed. If you cannot, you can broaden your search outward untill you find their cognates. Announce that culture that posesses the marker.

1. Oriki (Cognomen)
2. Orile (Totem)
3.

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Hey i was called in middle of this to help with some emergency. Things are stable and Ill be back. Sorry

Ok....back

Hati13:

More than one ppl claim Sheba and that why I said her ethnicity is unknown. But she probably ruled Sudan, Ethiopia/Eritrea and Yemen (sorry not as far as Nigeria). I’m not in your trap.

Ethiopians have negriod blood. There were an extensive admixture with Nilotic ppl. But the reason why most are distinct from neighboring ppl in north, south and west areas is primarily because they are descendants of Afroasiatic. Sheba was either from Afroasiatic or Nilo-Sahara speakers background of Nile valley.

So the land you are in was originally not yours. That land is not AfroAsiatic. You were also a migrant group. You settled into a indigeneous negroid land. Correct?

BabaRamota1980:



Given the scholarship work in that article and the equation of garment to mean pocket, what sense should one make of a scriptural verse that says...."your wife is your garment"?


Scholars are sometimes wrong. Lets be bold to challenge scholarship work that fell short of enlightenement.


Garment is a cover, a shield against one's private business being exposed. Its protection against vulnerability.

The sense of ephod as a garment will be to consult ephod and obtain protection. Ephod is gateway to the shield needed to cover oneself (garment).

You see, it was later thought through the modern day interpreter that Ephod was a garment but older meaning, it wasn't. In fact, it was mentioned to be If you are interested it ,check the book of 1 Samuel 30 vs 7 and read what Ephod( divination is all about). And on language classification of Niger Congo, precisely Kwa group. Do you know Kwa means HUMAN BEING in Gbe and Gã languages? This is the truth. Does this mean that this language is related to Yoruba's ? Yet some lazy youths will come up online to disgrace themselves over frivolous issue. Gottlob Krause that grouped them isn't a speaker of the language!...


Below is the screenshot for you BabaRamota1980. There is no need for juxtaposing wirh someone, who is unwilling to bring forth evidence both personal opinion,which isn't relevant.