claremont:

Oh so you are a scientist as well?! Now you are talking , why didn't you say so initially so I would know how to relate with you scientifically like a sister-in-arms? You said "Nowhere in my posts have I tried to use Christianity to prove the existence of love even though they are intertwined,i believe", so since you believe they are intertwined, it then means that even if there is a remote possibility that "love" may exist, persons who are not Christians are incapable of such "love". Therein lies the problem, maybe only Christians believe in "love", it only exists in their minds.

Have a good day as well, if you were near where I live, we could have gone for a "rofo-rofo" fight somewhere (supported by copious pints of lager ) to practically test which of our scientific theories work  even though we still don't and may never agree.

ljila:

Lol. Yep, a scientist in a broad sense . sister-in-arm?Gotta use that sometime
I reckon u de Bradford cos your username is a street there, Claremont terrace??, a wild guess anyway
Wetin be rofo-rofo? Soz, dont drink alcohol, maybe some juice or better still,9ja food
True that. Take care x

WTF! Please let's not derail this thread, before someone says I have been saying all this just to get into a lady's knickers , not that I would say No to that actually

talina:

Organized religions control people with doctrines and guilt and belief, therefore taking away a persons true " godliness". It is a way to control the masses.
Love is a changing relationship,it is not stable hence the institution of marriage .It is a way to control and give a false sense of security to people. It is a contract that true lovers should not need.

Quote:
People are always asking why? for what? And anything that has no answer to the question slowly becomes of no value to you. Thats how love has become valueless.What point is there in Love? Where is is going to lead you? What is going to be the achievement out of it? Will you attain to some utopia,some paradise?
Of course, love has no point in that way.
It is pointless.

What is the point of beauty? You see a sunset-you are stunned,it is beautiful,but anyone can ask the question,"What is the meaning of it?" and you will be without an answer.

A beautiful flower,painting,poetry,song-they dont have a point.They are not arguments to prove something,neither are they a means to any end.
Living consists only of those things which have bo point at all,which have no meaning-meaning in the sense that they dont have a goal,that they dont lead you anywhere.

In other words, LIVING IS SIGNIFICANT IN ITSELF.

quote from OSHO

claremont:

Good stuff! I couldn't have said it better myself, nice to know I am beginning to have disciples .

Loving is significant  into itself.

And Im not your disciple.

talina:

Loving is significant into itself.
And Im not your disciple.

claremont:

"Loving" in itself is a misnomer and a farce. I don't believe I specifically mentioned your name as being one of my disciples, dunno were you got the impression from


Is this whole debate an attempt to strengthen and destroy the doubt of loving as a "misnomer and a farce?"
Gee,I dont know why I thought your comment was directed at me

Anyways, to each there own.

talina:

Is this whole debate an attempt to strengthen and destroy the doubt of loving as a "misnomer and a farce?"
Gee,I dont know why I thought your comment was directed at me
Anyways, to each there own.

claremont:

The purpose of this debate is to shed light on the sheer folly people indulge in when they "fall in love". It is to highlight an often overlooked perspective on the misnomer called "love", and to reinforce the fact that "love" is a concept that has never been proven to exist.

I think you doubt and thats good!

talina:

I think you doubt and thats good!

claremont:

Well, if that's your impression, then I'm sorry you are hopelessly wrong. Anyone who has read through all my posts about this issue will know how passionate I am about it. Doubt?! That is a word best reserved for the religious goons; "thanks be to God", I am faith-less!

P.S: Don't get me wrong. I have been in relationships in the past, and I will be in relationships in the future, but they were all based on mutual symbiosis i.e. give and take, never on a misnomer called "love".

Dont you ever wonder what you are missing? When you see true lovers together they are like one. I guess it all depends on the individuals allowing this to happen,to flow or not.
Well, I wish you the best in your future relationships and I will even wish on you to experience love!

talina:

[b]Dont you ever wonder what you are missing? [/b]When you see true lovers together they are like one. I guess it all depends on the individuals allowing this to happen,to flow or not.
Well, I wish you the best in your future relationships and I will even wish on you to experience love!

intrepid:

Please let someone tell me when love became a scientific subject that should be scientifically proven for it to be real.
I know there are scientists on NL.I wonder what that means.In fact i still cant understand.

Uyi Iredia:

@ claremont >>> You have only made an assertion. What is its basis ?

claremont:

How in the hell can I miss what has been proven not to exist?! I have explained time and time again on this thread that relationships that are based on the misnomer called "love" have been proven never to last, the initial passion you see among "lovers" is nothing but mere lust.Science is in everything, and everything is in science. If science cannot explain it, it does not exist.It is not an assertion, but rather, it is a scientifically proven FACT that "love" does not exist. The research papers are widely available for those whose minds haven't already sunk deep into this delusion

claremont:

Claremont terrace is the name of my street somewhere in the north-east of England, definitely not that racist BNP infested Bradford . Don't drink alcohol?! How the hell can someone live in England without taking in copious quantities of holy water?! Rofo-rofo Fight is a song by the great Fela Kuti, and it is often used to describe loads of indescribable describables .
WTF! Please let's not derail this thread, before someone says I have been saying all this just to get into a lady's knickers , not that I would say No to that actually .

Uyi Iredia:

See ! the notion of love is globally accepted and supported. Before one comes up with the statement that love (as generally understood) doesn't exist. One needs solid proof to back it up. I need more than your claims of it being a "scientific fact". a website link or a book should suffice (and from a reputable source)

talina:

@ claremont,  Why do you need proof so badly? You are your biggest obsticle with all this intellectualizing and thinking. Fear is talking. Its scary to jump into the unknown. Drop your mind and try it sometimes.
If you close your eyes and drop your thoughts what is left? Prove it.

ljila:

You reckon Bradford is BNP infested? Id like to think the opposite actually. Its very multicultural, or rather, some people from a certain country and continent are there in huge no's. Ever had the term "Bradistan"? lol
On the drinking, personal choice . How i wish there are musicians and people with "liver" atm to decry the crisis going on in 9ja man, so pathetic.
Its the romance section afterall hehehe but before you get any ideas, i say in Mr Brown's words "STOP BEING NASTY" lol, look elsewhere   x

talina:

Are you a barren desert? Those rattlesnakes and scorpions are your own fears to overcome. And how would you know that its a mirage if you dont take that journey? Water is somewhere beyond the desert.Or you would die of thirst.

claremont:

The mere fact that something has been globally accepted and supported doesn't make it real. It can only be real if there is clear peer reviewed evidence that it exists. Take for instance, Christians globally accept and believe that God created the world in 7 days, but science via evolution has totally debunked this myth as being ludicrous. If you go back to some of my earlier posts, you will see scientifically proven statements which back up this fact, alternatively, all the peer-reviewed journals/papers on this issue are available via Google.

claremont:

I would rather be realistic and obey basic principles of mutual symbiosis which form the bedrock of any solid long-term relationship, than deceive myself and others that I will see water in the desert. No water there, it's all a mirage.

Mutual symbosis is definatly vital in any long term relationship.

But finding water while in a desert is a must or you will die.Its somewhere. Mirages do exist but so do the real oasis.

Uyi Iredia:

I don't see no links. I ain't got time because I'm in a cybercafe _ got temporary problems with my laptop. Please post them so I can check it out.

talina:

Mutual symbosis is definatly vital in any long term relationship.
But finding water while in a desert is a must or you will die.Its somewhere. Mirages do exist but so do the real oasis.

deasy:

it does exist,you just have to dig deep for it.

claremont:

D I have always been told I am dirty-minded, there is not even a modicum of clean thoughts in my head whatsoever

Claremont, are you saying your mind is filled up of a hundred naked pigs playing hide and seek in the mud! If the answer is a yes, then that's really way too dirty.

talina:

Claremont,you are so funny and stubborn! Well Ive said my piece and I respect what you choose to "think". Because its where youre at in life.
Its funny that you are trying to save the "delusional" people from something you cannot taste.

claremont:

If people say God=Love, and Love=God; then check out this researches done on this subject>>>http://lib.ru/KIRPICHEV/s_boganet_engl.txt, http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/nogod.html, http://www.godlessgirl.com/2011/05/does-love-exist/. Enjoy and may your eyes be opened!
The probability of finding an Oasis is the same as the probability of winning a Lottery jackpot, <0.001%.