claremont:


I see !

claremont:

I believe you are talking about the so-called "Agape Love" which exists between God and his followers. I believe you know that even theologians agree that the God of the old testament is a petty, unjust, unforgiving, control freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty, ethnic cleanser; homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, capriciously malevent bully. If this is what is been described as a "loving" God, then it is sad really and it explains why his followers actively express this same traits, afterall by their fruits, ye shall know them.

livedit:


I am a true Christian, and although I do not claim to be perfect and also make mistakes and be disobedient at times, GOD is STILL yet faithful, just and merciful to forgive me.  Even you Claremont.   WHY?  Because JESUS paid the way for all of us.  God knew when he sent his only begotten son, that he would still be denied.  Even before they crucified Jesus, they couldn't find no just reason to doing so.  All this, IS written in His word.  Without going into essays of trying to prove a point to someone who obviously have a mindset of what's real and what's not.  I will not judge you.  I can only pray that GOD remove the blinders from your eyes and reveal who is the true deceiver behind all of this.  My GOD is faithful and just to forgive for those who seek him and believe that He is.  He loved us first.  He also loved me when I didn't even love myself.  He is our creator.  His Love and Word endureth forever!  His love and existance is proved day in and day out.  I remember when I use to think like you.  I remember I hated God and everything that was associated with Him.  I was in complete darkness.  I remember cursing the Word of God.  But even still, He still showed himself faithful to forgive as His Word says.  

The Devil is the ONLY one incapable of Love.  He is the one that don't believe in it.  His job is to kill, steal, and destroy.  The devil is the liar and the deceiver.  I really don't know what bible you are reading, but everything I've read has come true and is still happening in this world.  It IS the end of time and the devil is working overtime to get as many souls as he possiby can.  Right now, you can believe what you want to believe.  But in the end, as the bible says: EVERY knee will bow and EVERY tongue will confess that HE is GOD.  That's all the proof we all need.

Rocktation:

@OP- True, there mightn't be a correlation between love and a sustained relationship but dude, you said it yourself. Love supposedly has a thousand definitions. One might be compatibility, since you're so focused on lasting relationships/marriages. But that's just one in a thousand and compatibility doesn't always cut it. Tell you the truth, relationships don't have to be sustained to signify the presence of love. Or d'you want to tell us that you've never heard anyone say, 'I left him because i love him'?

claremont: I believe you should know that our mothers, fathers, and ancestors never married on the basis of a delusion called "love", because if they did, their marriages wouldn't have lasted donkey-years as compared to the "love" deluded societies of today. Our ancestors married on the basis of mutual respect and compatibility, this entails a honest recognition of each others strength and weaknesses. It is different from the "love" delusion propagated today by the western societies which has directly led to an increase in divorce rates and single parenthood plaguing the western world today. These societal ills have begun to permeate the facets of the African economy because we have also started to absorb the false tenets of the "love" delusion, the same way we absorbed the "God delusion" and allowed it to destroy our cultural norms and values. What you call "communality" has been an inherent part of the human nature all through the perilous times of evolution, even most animals are communal in nature, does it mean animals experience "love" too?!

N101:

Very interesting dissertation but in no way answers my questions.

Let me try again:

1) Are you/have you ever been married?
2) have you ever observed your parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles relationships?
3) have you ever spoken to someone who's been married for more than 20 years for their point of view?

claremont:

No!

helpdoer:

This poster has apparently NOT met me and my spouse of 17 years. my spouse still makes my heart skip a beat.

If you haven't found it - i'm sorry, BUT YES hot, [size=13pt]sexy[/size], uncomfortably heart shattering LOVE does exist - even in the long-term; just NOT for you - just yet!

good luck.

Apparently, it is clear what "love" means to you.

helpdoer:

YES! for me, love means fuzzy feelings that are enduring and true and results in non-forced, natural affection, consideration, communication, togetherness, breathless anticipation, resolution-rooted disagreement, and happiness.

Oh and yes [size=13pt]SEXY[/size] - after 17 yrs, YES - [size=13pt]sexy[/size]. Hot, breath-taking attractive, playful, engaging, no need for words [size=13pt]SEXY[/size].

What's your definition?

helpdoer:

YES! for me, love means fuzzy feelings that are enduring and true and results in non-forced, natural affection, consideration, communication, togetherness, breathless anticipation, resolution-rooted disagreement, and happiness.

Oh and yes SEXY - after 17 yrs, YES - sexy. Hot, breath-taking attractive, playful, engaging, no need for words SEXY.

What's your definition?

people tend to misconstrue basic human traits of lust and friendship to mean "love"

claremont:

The delusion is deeper than I thought it was!

Purist:

^^ The only delusional person here is you, claremont. Even if love does not exist as you claim, you're doing an extremely poor job at presenting a tenable argument in support of your claim. "Love does not exist because its definition is subjective" - that's your argument. In other words, emotions that have subjective definitions do not exist; which invariably renders other emotions such as Fear, Joy and Anger non-existent as well. Are you even reading what you're typing at all?

EfeEkarume:

''For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in Him will not perish but have eternal life'' , and somebody somewhere is telling the world that love doesn't exist?

claremont:

There is no rational way to define what "love" means, or it's characteristics because it's adherents say it means different things to different people, that's what makes it so ridiculous.

claremont:

Are you going to make a logical point in favour or against this argument, or do you prefer picking holes only you can see in the points made by others?!

claremont:

eating my words?! I am saying that the failure of people like yourself who supposedly believe in "love" to provide an objective definition for it means that you agree that "love" in itself is subjective. Since it is subjective and can never be proven to exist, it therefore logically follows that it does NOT exist, it is simple ABC logic really. If you can agree that it is subjective and lacks an objective definition, it can't be defined by science, therefore, it doesn't exist.

claremont:

Cheerz to the following persons for their logical contribution to this argument;

iice, naijababe, Tosinville, Missy ★ B, Richvkunt, Frazy, Roland17, Teejayl, Amalaaba, N101

What makes us different from animals is no more than our ability to reason and ask relevant questions. The day we stop asking questions is the day we loose our humanism and become no different from animals.

Missy ★ B:

Yeah! Go into the world and start searching for that someone that will give you an empirical understanding of that emotion - Love. It's a beautiful thing and, while at it, you might want to consider going closer to your maker - God. Both are real and are the ultimate- God and Love.

claremont:

Is that applicable to those who don't believe in God as well?!