@Katsumoto

I'm really not in the mood for a lenghty debate today however, based on what you posted above the fact of the case was that they have different ideology as regards the method of politics they beleive in. It is not conclusive to say that Akintola's policy will not benefit the Yorubas as there are many facts and figures to be considered before arriving at such conclusion. Also if serving in the govt alone cannot empower people so also is having education alone, education without political power and affliation is useless even in the most primitive level of politics.

The fact that Akintola sent his children abroad to study is definitely not the issue as I believe Awolowo children too were trained abroad, even in the UK here you see that despite that fact that the govt invests heavily on public school I don't know of any single member of the cabinet whose children did not attend private schools. You must also take into consideration the sustainability of free education and if Akintola believes that such approach is not sustainable in the long run or favours a different political ideology that alone those not make him a traitor.

Katsumoto: He liked the idea of feudalism that was practiced in the North which was why it was so easy to align with Bello and Balewa.

Are you sure about this? I read an objective biography of him and I didn't get that impression. Could you back this statement up?

For all the power that Bello and Balewa had, what did they do for their people? They didn't believe in education for their people because more educated people would have led to more resistance against feudalism.

I'm not sure that this is accurate either. Can you support this statement with any facts?

tunnytox:

@Katsumoto

I'm really not in the mood for a lenghty debate today however, based on what you posted above the fact of the case was that they have different ideology as regards the method of politics they beleive in. It is not conclusive to say that Akintola's policy will not benefit the Yorubas as there are many facts and figures to be considered before arriving at such conclusion. Also if serving in the govt alone cannot empower people so also is having education alone, education without political power and affliation is useless even in the most primitive level of politics.

The fact that Akintola sent his children abroad to study is definitely not the issue as I believe Awolowo children too were trained abroad, even in the UK here you see that despite that fact that the govt invests heavily on public school I don't know of any single member of the cabinet whose children did not attend private schools. You must also take into consideration the sustainability of free education and if Akintola believes that such approach is not sustainable in the long run or favours a different political ideology that alone those not make him a traitor.

It is conclusive why Awolowo's ideology was better for the Yoruba. The evidence is there for all - social democracy which empowered many with free education, agriculture, industry at the heart of that philosophy. Feudalism was a very selfish ideology because it meant that a few would benefit immensely while a majority are barely surviving. Britain is still dealing with centuries of feudalism. Even though there were many Yoruba's who were educated before the regional governments were created by the British. But universal free education was one of the policies of Awo's government and it benefitted millions. Now contrast that with Bello/Balewa's feudalistic policies in the North.

If you disagree, then tell us what political ideology was espoused by Akintola and how that philosophy was going to be beneficial for the Western region. Your comment about not being ready for a lengthy debate is a serious cop-out. I was initially going to ignore your comment but you then decided to state that no one leader could have had the full interest of Yoruba people more than Akintola. Sending his children above to school is not the main issue. You clearly ignored the import of my message. The point I made was that Akintola was wealthy enough to send his son to the most prestigious school in England but disagreed with the concept (democratic socialism) that would give FREE education to millions who couldn't even afford to go to school in their local communities.

There are many types of government and different levels of power. Akintola was already running the Western Regional government, what would have been the benefit of more Yorubas (there were already Yoruba NCNC minister) working as ministers in Balewa's government other than those ministers owing allegiance to Akintola? I asked before and I will ask again, 'what did the Northern population gain from Balewa/Bello's handle of the government? The Western region that was in opposition was more developed than the Northern region. There were more higher institutions in the West than the North; the first stadium was in Ibadan, the first TV (WNTV) station in Africa was in Ibadan. Most of the ministers in the First republic were from the North; what did the North gain from their positions? The point is power is useless when it is not used for the good of society.

The problem with Nigeria till today is that mindset that everybody must be represented at the executive. In a true federalist or confederalist system, representation at the legislature is sufficient because you can control your destiny and welfare at the regional level. Akintola had this regional power but was more concerned with the power and corruption at the centre because he didn't have the free hand he wanted at the regional level. Should a Yoruba man care whether the president is Igbo or Kanuri if the president is doing is job. Agitating for your tribesman to be minister, president, etc is infantile because he as a Nigerian minister, president should be working for the interest of Nigerians. Don't get me wrong, there were some gains for the Yoruba with Akintola joining the Balewa government, but those were mostly gains for Akintola leuitenants rather than Yoruba in general.

PhysicsQED:

Are you sure about this? I read an objective biography of him and I didn't get that impression. Could you back this statement up?

Did you read the Sam Aluko interview below? What objective biography did you read (Tinubu, Osuntokun, or Ladi Akintola)?

Katsumoto:


"The Akintola/Awo crisis

In fact, it was we, who caused the problem between Akintola and Awolowo. There was a group in the university then, led by Prof. Oyenuga. He was chairman of the Committee of Civil Liberty at that time. We had Prof. Odumosu, Prof. Wole Soyinka, some Europeans and myself. We said, as a group, the way things were going, we must have an ideology guiding us. Some were saying at that time that what the people were doing was only to take care of the rich, giving them big cars, staying in government houses, enjoying themselves except Awolowo who was living in his own house. So, we thought we had to have a guiding principle.

One, to plan the economy. Two, to inform government what individuals in government must do. So, we had what we called democratic socialism, which now became the policy of the Action Group. So, Awo said this democratic socialism we must try it, which he did into concrete programmes like agriculture, health, roads etc.

So, we were writing papers for him in Oke-Ado, Ibadan every two weeks. So, those were the papers that Awolowo then took to the party and Akintola was opposed to it. Akintola said if a man had agbada, he must not have buba. If he had buba, he must not have sokoto. [/b]That was exactly what caused their problem. Akintola had become premier by then, so he said why should Awolowo be organising people to write philosophy for the party. That when Awo was premier, they were writing for him as premier and that since he (Akintola) had assumed the premiership, they should be writing for him. He felt that Awo was out to undermine him, and said no, things could not continue like that. The major thing that caused the rift was that Akintola didn’t like democratic socialism. We were not the main problem though, but we were part of the problem. [size=16pt][b]He had wanted the NPC’s capitalistic elitist way of government, which we opposed.[/size] "

http://nigeriavillagesquare.com/j/forum/showthread.php?28501-Prof.-Sam-Aluko-on-Awolowo-Akintola-Abacha-Abubakar-and-Ajasin

PhysicsQED:


I'm not sure that this is accurate either. Can you support this statement with any facts?

What facts are you requesting? So what explanations exist for the educational gaps between the North and the South both in and outside Nigeria? Perhaps I don't understand your question.

PhysicsQED:

Are you sure about this? I read an objective biography of him and I didn't get that impression. Could you back this statement up?

Where did you read this? I'm genuinely interested!

@ Tunnytox, your link did not do Akintola any favours if you are really keen providing an objective view of him, just saying

@tunnytox, did you read your own provided link?

Akintola betrayed simple and fair. Seriously, while trying to reading revisionists history, let's be analytically critical.

My own conviction is that Nzeogwu may have had good intentions while the original coup plotters were only using him to forward their evil agenda,

Also, I said it in my previous post that the corruption in Amadu Bello, Tafawa Balewa and Akintola is mother of all corruption which is Ideological corruption maybe that's the reason for difference between him and Awolowo,

From a sentimental point of view, I will support Awolowo's political/leadership philosophy over Akintola's

But if we are to be practical, We've all seen what Awolowo's ideology can do and I think many will say it's very good for the people at our developing stage which we are still in,

You ignored the other important part of my posts because I faulted Akintola init? Tribal sentiments aside, Nzeogwu is not an enemy of the North or West for killing feudalistic minded leaders. I think he did a big favour in a very insensitive way that's all. But The original coup plotters are the evil ones !!!

naijababe:

Where did you read this? I'm genuinely interested!

@ Tunnytox, your link did not do Akintola any favours if you are really keen providing an objective view of him, just saying

How? could you please qoute the relevant part of the article to buttress your point. As far as i'm concerned and many may disagree politicians usually differ in terms of what they believe and how they want to run the goverment, also I believe one of the reason for this feud between Akintola and Awolowo is because Akintola see himself as been under too much influence and shadows of Awolowo and believe he can build his own political dynasty rather than being a perpetual surbodinate to Awo. This IMO is a political struggle and has nothing to do with betrayal.

@katsumoto
To be honest I do not have much understanding about the political ideologies you mentioned but I'm commited to make more research this year and possibly revive this topic even if the thread has gone cold.

@Tunnytox

The party was supreme in those days, everything went through the party, Akintola thought he could go main stream and being an are ona kakanfo, he had that independent streak in him, I think he was wrong and went about it the wrong way, by the way, I know Wole Awolowo went to Ibadan Grammar school and not any overseas school as he was my dad's classmate (awo caught them at his house during school hours, asked pa alayande to give my dad 6 of the best and twice that to his son).

Katsumoto:

[size=21pt]I know it has been a few months since I gave you a lesson so I will be happy to oblige today. I have some time[/size].   

Please pick the holes in what Aluko said and stop dancing around issues like a child waiting to be picked for a game. 

I, ACM10 disapprove the comment above from the. . .
[size=21pt]
Arrogant all-knowing king of NL[/size]

hercules07:

@Tunnytox

The party was supreme in those days, everything went through the party, Akintola thought he could go main stream and being an are ona kakanfo, he had that independent streak in him, I think he was wrong and went about it the wrong way, by the way, I know Wole Awolowo went to Ibadan Grammar school and not any overseas school as he was my dad's classmate (awo caught them at his house during school hours, asked pa alayande to give my dad 6 of the best and twice that to his son).

Exactly! may be in those days it is possible to term Akintola's act to pursue a different political ideology as an act of betrayal but not any more. Everybody was made to believe that Akintola went about it in a wrong way and this same believe was sown into hearts of many Yoruba children and their children's children even to this day. I can remember  when i was in secondary school even as kids we argue a lot about Akintola and Awolowo and the story has always been the same. I even believe that Awo use this form of propaganda to sow this seed of hatred of Akintola in the heart of as many yoruba as possible. Some even said that Akintola's plan was to sell Yoruba to Hausa Fulanis but as we can see even in Nigeria of today no particular tribe can single handedly win an election. It is also obvious that political isolation of the Yorubas from the mainstream is not in the best interest of Yorubas, no matter how educated and exposed we are we still need some political power to balance the equation there is nothing to gain from several hundred of professors who instead of taking the lead are busy arguing among themselves trying to proof their theories.

However, as i posted earlier I'll make more research about the political ideologies of both Awolowo and Akintola, as i believe this will enable me to have a better understanding of what these 2 leaders believed in and their plans for the yoruba race.

Katsumoto, I read the Osuntokun biography, and I saw a clash of egos, of different groups (the Ibadan/Oyo Yorubas vs. others), and a clash between one leader who wanted to take a group into the mainstream, and another who was fine with staying in the opposition. I think the book was fairly objective, but maybe I missed something. Also, I really didn't see anything in there that suggested a preference for elitist feudalism.

As for articles like Aluko's, others could cite articles like this: http://www.dawodu.com/agbe1.htm, which although definitely containing several errors (such as the alleged (but not proven) tribally motivated carpet crossing in the 1951 western region elections, and the false accusation that Awolowo wanted to be prime minister at all costs), makes a few interesting observations about what Akintola's real motivation may have been (dissatisfaction with Awolowo's opposition politics for the Yorubas) to try and "dethrone" Awolowo. I'm just not convinced by the "feudalism" argument insinuated by Aluko. And it was actually the NNDP that took a hard line in competing with the NCNC and Igbos in general on some educational matters that could have affected Yorubas directly (as you can see from that article), so I'm not sure about this argument that the leader of the NNDP didn't care about education for the larger society while his own son was schooling in Britain.

As for Balewa and Bello, I'll get back to you on that. There's this massive and detailed biography of Bello in a library that I'd have to skim through to see what his actual efforts were in detail if it mentions them. I haven't read it and don't have time to, but I wouldn't be surprised to find something there about educating Northerners. The books I came across online discussing his ideas on education (Main currents in Nigerian education thought: Nnamdi Azikiwe, Obafemi Awolowo, Ahmadu Bello, Tai Solarin, Onyerisara Ukeje, Aliu Fafunwa, Jibril Aminu and the book Alhaji Sir Ahmadu Bello, Sardauna of Sokoto: his thoughts and vision in his own words, selected speeches and letters of the great leader (this book apparently contains a section by Bello called "On University Education and the Role of the University in Society" )aren't accessible online and I can't find them at any library close to me. So if I look at that biography later, I might have a specific answer on what exactly he did for Northerners with regard to education.

With respect to the gap between the North and the South, there is a book called Education and cultural change in Northern Nigeria, 1906-1966:
a study in the creation of a dependent culture by P. K. Tibenderana

I haven't actually read it, but the google summary of the book claims: "Education and Cultural Change in Northern Nigeria 1906-1966, examines the effects of British educational policies on traditional northern Nigerian society. Fearing that a proper education would lead to active discontent in the colony, the British devised a limited form of schooling which was designed to produce just enough trained people to serve the colonial bureaucracy without stirring up dangerous Islamic ambitions. 'Western education on native lines' was the brainchild of successive governors and officials at the colonial office who apparently considered independence as a remote possibility, only achievable in the very distant future. Their short-sighted attitudes seriously hindered the economic development of the region, with consequences that are still recognisable today. In each chapter, Professor Tibenderana gives the background to the changing educational structures together with details of the different levels of education provided." 

This is the same impression I got from a few other things I've read which touch on this subject obliquely.

Also, some of the missionaries in the south in the colonial period before the AG and the NCNC started governing the Western and Eastern regions would have given yet another educational advantage to the south.

Not to let Northern leaders completely off the hook, but I have a completely different view of why there is the north-south gap and I don't think it's appropriate to say that it was only due to oversight on the part of Bello and Balewa. Maybe you know something I don't here and you can enlighten me.


[Just for anyone else reading, I obviously am not taking sides with any of these individuals from Nigeria's history, I just want to know more about the period and the individuals in that period and read perspectives I haven't come across before.]

@PhysicsQED
nice one, please provide links to any of the books as I'm interested

tunnytox:

@PhysicsQED
nice one, please provide links to any of the books as I'm interested

The Osuntokun biography:

http://www.betterworldbooks.com/chief-s-ladoke-akintola-id-0714632198.aspx
http://www.bookdepository.com/Chief-SLadoke-Akintola-Akinjide-Osuntokun/9780714632193
http://www.abebooks.com/9780714632193/Chief-Ladoke-Akintola-Life-Times-0714632198/plp
http://www.allbookstores.com/Chief-Ladoke-Akintola-His-Life/9780714632193
http://www.amazon.com/Chief-S-Ladoke-Akintola-Times/dp/0714632198

The book about the educational ideas of past Nigerian leaders:

http://books.google.com/books/about/Main_currents_in_Nigerian_education_thou.html?id=O7slAQAAIAAJ
http://www.amazon.com/Main-currents-Nigerian-educational-thought/dp/978326608X
http://www.bookdepository.com/Main-Currents-Nigerian-Education-Thought-Owan-Enoh/9789783266087
http://www.abebooks.com/9789783266087/Main-Currents-Nigerian-Educational-Thought-978326608X/plp

The book with selected speeches and writings from Ahmadu Bello:

http://www.amazon.com/Alhaji-Ahmadu-Bello-Sardauna-Sokoto/dp/9783463721
http://books.google.com/books/about/Alhaji_Sir_Ahmadu_Bello_Sardauna_of_Soko.html?id=nX10AAAAMAAJ
http://www.worldcat.org/title/alhaji-sir-ahmadu-bello-sardauna-of-sokoto-his-thoughts-and-vision-in-his-own-words-selected-speeches-and-letters-of-the-great-leader/oclc/044137937
http://www.bookfinder.com/dir/i/Alhaji_Sir_Ahmadu_Bello,_Sardauna_of_Sokoto-His_Thoughts_and_Vision_in_His_Own/9783463721/

The book on education in Northern Nigeria from 1906-1966:

http://www.amazon.com/Education-Cultural-Northern-Nigeria-1906-1966/dp/9970023748
http://books.google.com/books/about/Education_and_cultural_change_in_Norther.html?id=EJ8lAQAAIAAJ




None of these books are actually available to be previewed or read online and two of them (the book on educational ideas and the book with speeches and writings from Bello) are out of print, although they might be at some library somewhere. I'm pretty sure one would have to find a library that has these books or buy them online (and the ones that can be bought are expensive), so I don't plan to track down these books myself, I just mentioned them as sources somebody else (Katsumoto, or others) may be able to track down or buy if they wanted clarification on the perspectives of certain leaders with regard to education.

PhysicsQED:

The Osuntokun biography:

http://www.betterworldbooks.com/chief-s-ladoke-akintola-id-0714632198.aspx
http://www.bookdepository.com/Chief-SLadoke-Akintola-Akinjide-Osuntokun/9780714632193
http://www.abebooks.com/9780714632193/Chief-Ladoke-Akintola-Life-Times-0714632198/plp
http://www.allbookstores.com/Chief-Ladoke-Akintola-His-Life/9780714632193
http://www.amazon.com/Chief-S-Ladoke-Akintola-Times/dp/0714632198

The book about the educational ideas of past Nigerian leaders:

http://books.google.com/books/about/Main_currents_in_Nigerian_education_thou.html?id=O7slAQAAIAAJ
http://www.amazon.com/Main-currents-Nigerian-educational-thought/dp/978326608X
http://www.bookdepository.com/Main-Currents-Nigerian-Education-Thought-Owan-Enoh/9789783266087
http://www.abebooks.com/9789783266087/Main-Currents-Nigerian-Educational-Thought-978326608X/plp

The book with selected speeches and writings from Ahmadu Bello:

http://www.amazon.com/Alhaji-Ahmadu-Bello-Sardauna-Sokoto/dp/9783463721
http://books.google.com/books/about/Alhaji_Sir_Ahmadu_Bello_Sardauna_of_Soko.html?id=nX10AAAAMAAJ
http://www.worldcat.org/title/alhaji-sir-ahmadu-bello-sardauna-of-sokoto-his-thoughts-and-vision-in-his-own-words-selected-speeches-and-letters-of-the-great-leader/oclc/044137937
http://www.bookfinder.com/dir/i/Alhaji_Sir_Ahmadu_Bello,_Sardauna_of_Sokoto-His_Thoughts_and_Vision_in_His_Own/9783463721/

The book on education in Northern Nigeria from 1906-1966:

http://www.amazon.com/Education-Cultural-Northern-Nigeria-1906-1966/dp/9970023748
http://books.google.com/books/about/Education_and_cultural_change_in_Norther.html?id=EJ8lAQAAIAAJ




None of these books are actually available to be previewed or read online and two of them (the book on educational ideas and the book with speeches and writings from Bello) are out of print, although they might be at some library somewhere. I'm pretty sure one would have to find a library that has these books or buy them online (and the ones that can be bought are expensive), so I don't plan to track down these books myself, I just mentioned them as sources somebody else (Katsumoto, or others) may be able to track down or buy if they wanted clarification on the perspectives of certain leaders with regard to education.

Thanks a million!

tunnytox:

Exactly! may be in those days it is possible to term Akintola's act to pursue a different political ideology as an act of betrayal but not any more. Everybody was made to believe that Akintola went about it in a wrong way and this same believe was sown into hearts of many Yoruba children and their children's children even to this day. I can remember  when i was in secondary school even as kids we argue a lot about Akintola and Awolowo and the story has always been the same. I even believe that Awo use this form of propaganda to sow this seed of hatred of Akintola in the heart of as many yoruba as possible. Some even said that Akintola's plan was to sell Yoruba to Hausa Fulanis but as we can see even in Nigeria of today no particular tribe can single handedly win an election. It is also obvious that political isolation of the Yorubas from the mainstream is not in the best interest of Yorubas, no matter how educated and exposed we are we still need some political power to balance the equation there is nothing to gain from several hundred of professors who instead of taking the lead are busy arguing among themselves trying to proof their theories.

However, as i posted earlier I'll make more research about the political ideologies of both Awolowo and Akintola, as i believe this will enable me to have a better understanding of what these 2 leaders believed in and their plans for the yoruba race.

Now you are just spinning tales. How could Awo have managed to poison the entire Yoruba race against Akintola, how did you even arrive at this conclusion?

My granddad supported Akintola and my dad Awolowo; from what I gleaned from both men, Awo was a control freak but he meant well for the Yorubas and always put them ahead of his ambition. Akintola on the other hand was ambitious, an excellent strategist but very wily politician, for him his ambitions came first and the people next.

As much as I have tried to excuse Akintola, the fact that none of his loyalists command any modicum respect from the entire Yoruba race to date is rather disturbing.
None

Some times i like Akintola, just a strong man. So if not Nzogwus coup Awolowo could have died in Prison, he was lucky

naijababe:

Now you are just spinning tales. How could Awo have managed to poison the entire Yoruba race against Akintola, how did you even arrive at this conclusion?

My granddad supported Akintola and my dad Awolowo; from what I gleaned from both men, Awo was a control freak but he meant well for the Yorubas and always put them ahead of his ambition. Akintola on the other hand was ambitious, an excellent strategist but very wily politician, for him his ambitions came first and the people next.

As much as I have tried to excuse Akintola, the fact that none of his loyalists command any modicum respect from the entire Yoruba race to date is rather disturbing.
None

You're rather being simplistic about my post, it is obvious that if Awo has many followers and was a control freak like you said his influence on members of his party will be quite strong. If he loathe Akintola so much there is no way his stance will not radiate down to the very last members of the party. There are even some unconfirmed reports that Awo cursed some of his followes who dear to challenge his orders or even have a contrary ideas.
My posts is not to praise or villify either Awo or Akintola in fact i'm more than willing to learn more about these two, the fact remains that we're all humans and not perfect so there's no way conflicts can be completely avoided.

tunnytox:

You're rather being simplistic about my post, it is obvious that if Awo has many followers and was a control freak like you said his influence on members of his party will be quite strong. If he loathe Akintola so much there is no way his stance will not radiate down to the very last members of the party. There are even some unconfirmed reports that Awo cursed some of his followes who dear to challenge his orders or even have a contrary ideas.
My posts is not to praise or villify either Awo or Akintola in fact i'm more than willing to learn more about these two, the fact remains that we're all humans and not perfect so there's no way conflicts can be completely avoided.

Your leanings favour Akintola and I don't begrudge you for that. My point is that Awo despite being a control freak had an ideology that the Yorubas favoured; Awo then went on to practice this ideology to the benefit of the Yorubas when he was at the helm of affairs.

The point I am trying to make is that Awo enjoyed the love and support of Yoruba majority not because he was powerful but because he lived and did his best for his people despite his flaws and they know it. If it was that easy, Obasanjo, another control freak who despite his power and influence would have done all in his might to be less vilified by the larger Yoruba population. My friend no be by power alone.

NB,

I have my opinion about this topic which is well documented so I wont jump and make any further contribution, on NL I already have a topic here about my thoughts and opinions

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-488532.0.html

But when 2 sides fight, the sides that win always write the story the way they wanted.

If you look back and reflect on things you would discover that whoever loses a war is always painted as the bad guy.

E.g In the 2nd world war we all believe that Hitler, the Germans and their allies were the bad guys, Just assume for a minute that it was Hitler that won the war, Do you think our opinion about who is the good guy and who is the bad guy would have remained the same?

Victors write history to favour themselves

dayokanu:

NB,

I have my opinion about this topic which is well documented so I wont jump and make any further contribution, on NL I already have a topic here about my thoughts and opinions

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-488532.0.html

But when 2 sides fight, the sides that win always write the story the way they wanted.

If you look back and reflect on things you would discover that whoever loses a war is always painted as the bad guy.

E.g In the 2nd world war we all believe that Hitler, the Germans and their allies were the bad guys, Just assume for a minute that it was Hitler that won the war, Do you think our opinion about who is the good guy and who is the bad guy would have remained the same?

Victors write history to favour themselves

Depends on how many war accounts you've read, the English were the front runners of many conquests and even though they won many of them; historically they've come out worse in most of them.

I read that thread some months ago and I have no real scruples with your wanting to support one of your own but some of your opinions on that thread are downright clannish.

Personally, I respect Akintola a lot more than most people do; I just happen to respect Awo more.

dayokanu:


E.g In the 2nd world war we all believe that Hitler, the Germans and their allies were the bad guys, Just assume for a minute that it was Hitler that won the war, Do you think our opinion about who is the good guy and who is the bad guy would have remained the same?

Sure, you'd be painting Hitler----who would have been hunting you down like game-----as the good guy, abi? You've forgotten you're not Aryan.

kingoflag:

Sure, you'd be painting Hitler----who would have been hunting you down like game-----as the good guy, abi? You've forgotten you're not Aryan.

kingoflag:

Sure, you'd be painting Hitler----who would have been hunting you down like game-----as the good guy, abi? You've forgotten you're not Aryan.

I personally think if the Germans have won the war, they would have painted the English and the allies as the worst set of humans ever. maybe they would tell us the same thing that Churchill intended to make us all slaves.
They could have drawn evidence from the Slave trade drive among the English which the Germans werent actively involved in.

You forgot that the Germans even forged alliances with Japs and other countries.

An example is during the cold war, Countries who allied with Russia thought America was the worst thing to happen to humanity and vice versa

naijababe:

I read that thread some months ago and I have no real scruples with your wanting to support one of your own but some of your opinions on that thread are downright clannish.

Personally, I respect Akintola a lot more than most people do; I just happen to respect Awo more.

Can you pick out a quote from that thread that appeared clannish to you?

kingoflag:

Sure, you'd be painting Hitler----who would have been hunting you down like game-----as the good guy, abi? You've forgotten you're not Aryan.

concentration camp section 14

dayokanu:


Can you pick out a quote from that thread that appeared clannish to you?

It's been a while now but the key one that stuck mind was you absolving Akintola of any wrongdoing when he went to court and lost but got the regional constitution amended and made it retroactive such that a vote of no confidence was passed on Adegbenro, he then got the amendment ratified by the Federal House.

NB, Since you are an indepth Yoruba speaker, can you watch those videos

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-851474.0.html

[flash=400,300]http://www.youtube.com/watch=/v/UNPzWW3kXVg&feature=related[/flash]

[flash=400,300]http://www.youtube.com/watch=/v/ErVSJKMRyhM&feature=related[/flash]

naijababe:

It's been a while now but the key one that stuck mind was you absolving Akintola of any wrongdoing when he went to court and lost but got the regional constitution amended and made it retroactive such that a vote of no confidence was passed on Adegbenro, he then got the amendment ratified by the Federal House.

When anyone is aggrieved in a political setting what is the option? Go to court or "Wetie"?

I'm glad you posted these videos yourself, I have watched them. Listen to how the likes of Oredehin and Lanlehin - key AG stalwarts were disparaged and the same AG that brought him to power became a party of corrupt thieves, he even accused one of them of tax evasion and was made to pay £20000.

Don't get me wrong, DK i have nothing but absolute respect for Akintola but even you have  to admit that when NNDP became the regional power it was more about crony-ism and rewarding loyalists than the future of the Yorubas

dayokanu:

When anyone is aggrieved in a political setting what is the option? Go to court or "Wetie"?

You go to court and abide by the court ruling, not amend the constitution to your favour when you lose.

@Dayo and others

There is enough blame to pass around, in retrospect, Awolowo's stance was the better one, we have been in mainstream politics and we got nothing out of it, it is better for us to develop our region and let the other regions do whatever they want to do with theirs.

naijababe:

I'm glad you posted these videos yourself, I have watched them. Listen to how the likes of Oredehin and Lanlehin - key AG stalwarts were disparaged and the same AG that brought him to power became a party of corrupt thieves, he even accused one of them of tax evasion and was made to pay £20000.

Don't get me wrong, DK i have nothing but absolute respect for Akintola but even you have  to admit that when NNDP became the regional power it was more about crony-ism and rewarding loyalists than the future of the Yorubas

Would you have said the same thing of the AG politicians who disparaged Akintola also a key AG stalwart and the one time leader in the house and a Premier?

He was campaigning for an election do you seriously expect him to sing praises of his opponents? What do you think AG stalwarts were saying about Akintola too at that point in time? Do you think they should be disparaging Akintola while Akintola sings their praises?

Have you heard how Tinubu disparaged AD leaders who brought him to power?

You mean it was crony-ism when thousands of Yoruba students were included in the schorlarship programs previously rigged to be 95% Ibo?

naijababe:

You go to court and abide by the court ruling, not amend the constitution to your favour when you lose.

Those are within democratic processes now compare that to Wetie sponsored by his opponents