bright007: the only reason I will like to be å muslim is because of d 72 virgins promised by allah. the only constraint is just dat I don't wanna blow-up myself.

floriana: There can never be any igbo who is a true moslem. They join either for money or contracts. Chuks Odom former FCT minister of state was almost turning moslem to keep his post.

vemmawealth:

Over 4000 years ago, the Bible predicted that the earth was circular in shape (Isaiah 40:22). Today, it has been proved scientifically that d earth is spherical.

But according to the Quran, Alexander the Great (called Dhul-Qarnayn) traveled so far east that he ended up finding the actual place where the sun physically sets!

'I will recite to you a mention of him. We established him in the land, and We gave him a way to everything; and he followed a way until, WHEN HE REACHED THE SETTING OF THE SUN, HE FOUND IT SETTING IN A MUDDY SPRING, and he found nearby a people. We said, 'O Dhool Karnain, either thou shalt chastise them, or thou shalt take towards them a way of kindness.' He said, 'As for the evildoer, him we shall chastise, then he shall be returned to his Lord and He shall chastise him with a horrible chastisement. But as for him who believes, and does righteousness, he shall receive as recompense the reward most fair, and we shall speak to him, of our command, easiness.' Then he followed a way until, when he reached the rising of the sun, he found it rising upon a people for whom We had not appointed any veil to shade them from it. S. 18:83-90 Arberry

Here are a few more English versions of Q. 18:86 for good measure:

Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found IT SETTING IN a muddy spring… (Pickthall)

Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found IT SET IN a spring of murky water. (Y. Ali)

Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found IT SETTING IN a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. (Hilali-Khan)

The noted Muslim translator, Abdullah Yusuf Ali, stated in his Quran translation that,

2430. This is the first of the three episodes here mentioned, his expedition to the west. "Reaching the setting of the sun" does not mean the extreme west, for there is no such thing. West and East are relative terms.

It means a western expedition terminated by a “spring of murky water.” This has puzzled Commentators, and they have understood this to mean the dark, tempestuous sea.

If Dhul al Qarnayn is Alexander the Great, the reference is easily understood to be to Lychnitis (now Ochrida), west of Macedonia. It is fed entirely by underground springs in a limestone region, where the water is never very clear. (Bold emphasis ours)

Saying that this passage has puzzled Muslim commentators is to put it mildly.

This, perhaps, is one of the clearest evidences that the Quran could not have been revealed by the one true God of all since God would know better than to say that the sun literally sets in a spring of water.

Realizing how damaging this story is to the so-called divine origin of the Quran, Muslims have come up with various explanations in order to explain away this gross scientific blunder. However, these feeble and misguided attempts of salvaging the Quran from its major errors and contradictions overlook one important fact: It conveniently ignores Muhammad’s exposition of his own scripture, and fails to consult his interpretation and understanding of this specific passage.

Here is what Muhammad believed concerning the setting place of the sun:

91. Abu Dharr narrated, “Once I was with the Prophet (riding) a donkey on which there was a saddle or a (piece of) velvet. That was at sunset. He said to me, ‘O Abu Dharr, do you know where this (sun) sets?’ I said, ‘Allah and His Messenger know better.’ He said, ‘It sets in a spring of murky water, (then) it goes and prostrates before its Lord, the Exalted in Might and the Ever-Majestic, under the Throne. And when it is time to go out, Allah allows it to go out and thus it rises. But, when He wants to make it rise where it sets, He locks it up. The sun will then say, “O my Lord, I have a long distance to run.” Allah will say, “Rise where you have set.” That (will take place) when no (disbelieving) soul will get any good by believing then.’” (Ahmad) (The Translation of: The Meaning of the Fifty Hadith of Jame Al-uloom Wal-Hakim (“A Compilation of Knowledge and Wisdom”), compilation by Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali (736 H-795 H), translated and spotlights by Yaseen Ibrahim al-Sheikh (Vol. 1), A Selection of Authentic Qudsi (Sacred) Hadiths, translated by Muhammad M. ‘Abdul-Fattah, edited by Reima Youssif Shakeir (Vol. 2) [Dar Al-Manarrah for Translation, Publishing & Distribution], pp. 319-320)

And:

(3991) Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: IT SETS IN A SPRING OF WARM WATER (hamiyah).3408 (Prof. Ahmad Hasan, Sunan Abu Dawud – English Translation With Explanatory Notes [Sh. Muhammad Ashraf, Publishers, Lahore, 1984], Volume III. Chapters 1338-1890, XXV. Kitab Al-Ahruf Wa Al-Qira’at [Book of Dialects and Readings Of The Qur’an], Chapter 1498, p. 1120

3408. Qur’an, xviii. 86. The word hami’ah in this verse has two readings. Abu Ja‘far, Abu ‘Amir, Hamzah, al-Kisa’i and Abu Bakr read it hamiyah with long vowel a. Hamiyah means warm water. The others read it hami’ah meaning musky water. (Ibid.)

Not only do we have a gross scientific error, we also have a variant reading. This shows that, contrary to Muslim propaganda, the Quran hasn’t been perfectly preserved since the extant manuscripts and the Islamic traditions show that it contains variant and conflicting readings.

a different translation of Abu Dawud’s report:

4002. It was narrated that Abu Dharr said: “I was riding behind the Messenger of Allah while he was on a donkey, and the sun was setting. He said: ‘Do you know where this (sun) sets?’ I said: ‘Allah and his Messenger know best.’ He said: ‘IT SETS IN A SPRING OF WATER (fa innaha taghrubu fi ‘ainin hamiyah).’” (SAHIH) (English Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Compiled by Imam Hafiz Abu Dawud Sulaiman bin Ash‘ath – From Hadith no. 3242 to 4350, ahadith edited and referenced by Hafiz Abu Tahir Zubair ‘Ali Za’i, translated by Nasiruddin al-Khattab (Canada), final review by Abu Khaliyl (USA) [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors, First Edition: July, 2008], Volume 4, 29. The Book Of The Recitations And Readings Of The Qur’an, p. 375)

Since this particular hadith is classified as sahih or sound, meaning that the Muslims who passed on this tradition were all deemed trustworthy and reliable, it therefore cannot simply be dismissed as a weak or fabricated narration.2

Hence, what this means for Muslims is that, according to the so-called reliable traditions, their prophet erroneously thought that the sun physically descends into a spring of water every time it sets!

It also shows that Q. 18:86 cannot be interpreted allegorically or metaphorically, but must be taken at face value. Muhammad’s interpretation establishes the fact that the Quran isn’t simply narrating what Alexander the Great saw or perceived to be the case, but is reflecting the actual belief and view of the author. And since Muslims claim that Allah is the author of the Quran, this means that Allah truly thought that the sun literally sets in a muddy spring!

It is obvious why Muslim apologists do not wish to mention and make known Muhammad’s explanation of the Quran’s claim that the sun sets in a muddy spring. They obviously don’t want people to know that Muhammad actually believed that the sun literally sets in a spring of water!

So much for the repeated Muslim assertion that the Quran is free from all scientific mistakes.

Also

1 There is another hadith in Musnad Ahmad where Muhammad is reported to have said that the sun actually descends into hell!

Yazeed bin Harun narrated to us, from al-Awam, from a slave of Abdullah ibn Amru, from Abdullah bin al-Aas who said: “The messenger of Allah saw the sun when it went down and said (it went) into Allah’s hell fire. If it was not for the order intended for it (the sun) by Allah, it would have destroyed all that is on the earth.” (Musnad Ahmad, Hadith No. 6895)

The above is a literal translation. Here is a dynamic equivalent translation:

“When the messenger of Allah saw the sun setting down he said: It went into Allah’s hell fire. If it was not for Allah’s purpose for the sun it would have destroyed what is on the earth.”

2 These particular narratives still pose a major problem for the Muslims who reject the hadiths altogether. It is evident that whoever composed these reports clearly understood that the plain reading of Q. 18:86 meant that the sun literally sets in a muddy spring. The compiler(s) was/were obviously well versed in the Arabic language and could see that the grammar and the syntax of this particular verse ruled out the possibility of this being interpreted metaphorically or allegorically.

In other words, the very existence of such reports proves that the obvious and unambiguous meaning of the manifestly clear Arabic of Q. 18:86 is that the sun physically descends into a spring of water.

To, therefore, argue that this is not what the verse is saying basically means that the author(s) of the Quran failed to express his/her/their intended point clearly. Yet such a position would contradict and be in direct opposition to the Quran which repeatedly claims to be written in clear Arabic so that others can understand its message:

Thus doth God MAKE CLEAR His Signs to you: In order that ye may understand. S. 2:242 Y. Ali

Alif Lam Ra. A Book whose verses ARE SET CLEAR (ohkimat), and then distinguished, from One All-wise, All-aware: S. 11:1 Arberry

A. L. R. These are the Ayats of Revelation, - of a Qur'an that makes things clear. S. 15:1 Y. Ali

And indeed We know that they (polytheists and pagans) say: "It is only a human being who teaches him (Muhammad)." The tongue of the man they refer to is foreign, while this (the Qur'an) is a clear Arabic tongue. S. 16:103 Hilali-Khan

We verily, have made it a Qur'an in Arabic, that you may be able to understand (its meanings and its admonitions). S. 43:3 Hilali-Khan Mecca

By the manifest Book (this Qur'an) THAT MAKES THINGS CLEAR, S. 44:2 Hilali-Khan – cf. Q. 2:187, 219, 242, 266; 3:103, 118; 4:26, 176; 5:89; 24:18, 58-59, 61; 57:17

Hence, no matter what view a Muslim opts for in trying to explain away this serious blunder in the Quran, s/he is still left with major problems.

The only reason why Muslims deny the plain and obvious meaning of this verse is because they refuse to believe that the Quran is not the word of God and that Muhammad is not a true prophet. As a result, they need to come up with some explanation which will justify their belief in a scripture that they have been erroneously duped into thinking is the divinely dictated speech of the Creator of the heavens and earth.

alienvirus:

The only reason I can be a christian is because of this: www.nairaland.com/1004043/evangelists-street-must-packed-aro

bright007: In your myopic mind,anybody who is not å muslim is å christian.go to northern nigeria and see how islam has made that place peaceful

Find Out!:


ITS OVER!!!! This has killed it. Can ANY christian in the world effectively dissect and trash all that is contained in this post? this should be enough to convert a person from xtianity.

aryzgreat: Please how can MuhaMAD be a comfoter? Is he really a comforter or destroyer? these muslims no get sense at all. Imagine d brouhaha?

Megabyts: All non muslims should ponder why more of them are becomming muslims daily even with the bad campaign against islam.

Bélla3: my anty's husband , from ebonyi says people there embrace islam 4 things as little as 'okada'

Sweetnecta: we have to accept that christianity was not the first religion of the igbos. paganism was. i am guessing when christianity began to creep in, there were back room talks of it being foreign, not natural to the igbo animist spirit. and today, the igbos are calling themselves christian people. i need to let you guys know that there are igbo muslims on nairaland and they are not seeking contracts or favors from any nigerians. i know igbo muslims in my own life, members of my family. islam will enter igbo blood whether you are ready for it or not. it will both home and abroad, abroad meaning "far away land". the civil war headed Gowon for the Nigerian Government and Ojukwu for the part that wanted to leave the union. Both men were christians! to me, it was christian war, through and through and i was alive then, unlike those who the incident was related to.


Bayo can laugh all the way, until he is shocked to the truth from God.
if noblezone thinks islam always turns violent at the end of the day, no matter what, i will ask him to openly tell us about the 2 world wars out the last centuary and the preemptive strike of iraq. Are these wars chaired by Islam or christianity? Ad what christianity has turned the other cheek; Britain, Belgium, France, America? Please tell me because i need to know. George Bush didn't forgive anybody. And i wonder if you know Jesus was not a christian? And from your Bible he didn't forgive to many people, but called them names, from fools, to vipers and adulterous topping all of it by saying he will deny them as his followers. You may be following in vain based on what we can read from the Bible!

Floriana, I know igbos fasting in ramadhan because they are muslims, in and out of nigeria. You seem to be thinking so little of igbo people as if all in thr tribe think alike. if christianity is such a sure thing why do we have traditionalists in igboland?

Islam has arrived in igboland and those who can't deal with it should step aside. It is the religion that we give you success with God on the Day of Assembly. Jesus son of Mary from the children of Israel was a Muslim. So were his mother Maryam, cousin John, his father Zacharia and those male prophets; from their father Israel to the last of them.

If you wanna claim Abrahamic faith, you need to come to Islam, because it was after Abraham Judaism and Christianity came. Adam was a muslim. so were his believing progeny; Enoch, Noah, etc {as to all the prophets of God]

May God open your hearts and guide you to Islam. Amin.

tbaba1234: ^Muslim means one who submits to God.... Did Jesus submit to God? your bible says he did many times... If that is the case, He is muslim....

noblezone: Its not only the issue of tradition, Islam has a way of turning violence @ the end of the day.

Also, we need to sit down and look critically into the teachings of both Christianity and Islam.

Eg: christianity teaches forgiveness even to the extent of turning the other cheeck rather than revenge, islam on the other hand teaches an eye for eye as patterned in the time of Moses.

So, will Igbo moslems practice sharia? and were will they practice it?

It is time Christians rise up to the occasion and preserve our faith for our children.

Zulele: We Muslims have no hesitation in acknowledging
that in the Bible, there are three different kinds of
witnessing recognizable without any need of
specialized training. These are:
1. You will be able to recognize in the Bible what
may be described as "The Word of God."
2. You will also be able to discern what can be
described as the "Words of a Prophet of God."
3. And you will most readily observe that the bulk
of the Bible is the records of eye witnessess or ear
witnesses, or people writing from hearsay. As
such they are the "Words of a Historian"
You do not have to hunt for examples of these
different types of evidences in the Bible. The
following quotations will make the position crystal
clear:
The FIRST Type:
(a) I will raise them up a prophet . . . and I will put
my words in ... and he shall speak unto them all
that I shall command him." (Deuteronomy 18:18)
(b) I even, I am the Lord, and beside me there is
no saviour." (Isaiah 43:11)
(c) "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the end of
the earth: for I am God, and there is non
else." (Isaiah 45:22)
Note the first person pronoun singular
(highlighted in green) in the above references,
and without any difficulty you will agree that the
statements seem to have the sound of being
GOD'S WORD.
The SECOND Type:
(a) "Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying Eli, Eli,
lama sabachtani? . . ." (Matthew 27:46)
(b) "And Jesus answered him, The first of all
the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord
our God is one Lord:" (Mark 12:29)
(c) "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou
me good? There is none good but one, that is
God." (Mark 10:18).
Even a child will be able to affirm that: Jesus
"cried" Jesus "answered" and Jesus "said" are
the words of the one to whom they are attributed,
i.e. the WORDS OF A PROPHET OF GOD.
The THIRD Type:
"And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he,
(JESUS) came, if haply he (JESUS) might find
anything thereon: n when he (JESUS) came to

alienvirus: .

While Oyedepo denied his family because she is a muslim. He wants that little muslim in his family to embrace falsehood before paying the school fees. SMH...

kaytytty: i do nt blame d christians because their religion allows them to practice same sex marriage such as lesbianism and gay,it also gives right to prostitution,it also does nt support early marriage but it support casual sex well am nt suprised it was a religion introduced after a long reign of slavery so their souls re enslaved n yet they rejoice in immorality n still they claim they want to b like christ