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brocab:
Then this replies back to you, if you believe such knowledge about a Child's brain, then with common knowledge wouldn't it be better to allow the child to grow, before baptising them as babies, so He/She could make their own choices instead of listening to yours?
Children grow through knowledge, and its the knowledge that gives them direction in life.
I was baptised as a Roman Catholic by force, and as a Child I never understood any of the religion, nor wanted too. I couldn't understand why the so called upper classed religious leaders of the Catholic Church would sacrifice young children, murdering them all in the name of their God, refusing to marry, and while burning with passion they sexually abuse Young Children mainly boys.
Enslaving the coloured people, taken them away from their love ones that most of those Children back then, never ever seen their blood families ever again.
In My country the Catholic Church ruled over the land, and we called it, the stolen generation.
Jesus was baptised as a child but when he became a man, He made a choice, as a man He was baptised by John the baptised.
l ALSO MADE A CHOICE AS A MAN, AND l TOO WAS BAPTISED AND BECAME A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER, NO DOMINATION IS NEEDED.

See, you are even helping me to prove how shallow your knowledge of the bible is, let alone the Catholic Church. Now pay attention. If you had a good understanding of the Catholic Church, you would not have left. Maybe you were taught, maybe you weren't; but baseline is you did not understand. You weren't reading your bible and asking questions, and getting the right answers. You were at the right place but doing the wrong thing. Back then, you were neither a good catholic nor a good Christian and some things elude you because of your ignorance. You were like a student who never knew his school has a free bus service and had been spending money on transportation everyday. Only those who were informed enjoy the free ride. They know the time and place to wait for the bus.

Then you left Catholic and became a protestant and probably started reading the bible. But unfortunately, you are at the wrong place trying to do the right thing. You can read the bible, yes, but under the tutelage of those who have warped understanding of the bible. Denomination cannot put you in heaven but it is a big influence for you making heaven.

On infant baptism: If you believe it to be necessary for salvation to first believe in order to be saved, then that means all babies that die in the womb, all children who die before they have the use of reason, and all those adults who are severely mentally challenged would have no possibility of salvation. We do not believe that. We believe that we are only responsible for what we have the ability to do. In other words, we will not be held accountable for what we could not have known or done (see John 15:22).

Baptism is called by St. Paul "the circumcision of Christ" in Col. 2:11-12. As David mentioned, St. Peter, preaching to thousands of Jews who already understood the idea of a family covenant (they circumcised children) specifically said baptism was "for [them] and their children."
We have numerous people who came to Christ and the apostles could say to them that not only them but their entire "households" would be saved. And sometimes before they even knew who or how many or how old the members of their household were. That implies children being baptized (see I Corinthians 1:16; Acts 11:14; 16:15; 31). Just as in the Old Covenant with circumcision, in the New Testament parents are commanded to baptize their children and they are responsible to do so.

The thief on the cross is a reminder that we are only responsible for what we can do. He could not be baptized, thus, he could be saved by his desire for Christ. But that does not negate the fact that both faith and baptism are necessary for salvation (see Mark 16:16). If he would have been miraculously brought down from the cross, he would have been required to be baptized. If he refused, he would have been lost.

Faith is essential as well, but only if one had the opportunity to believe. But the point here is the injunctions to believe do not eliminate the possibility of infant baptism. The parents' faith and obedience suffices until the child reaches the age of accountability.

brocab:
My information comes directly from the word of God, it's called the bible.

Is the bible compiled by the early Church (now Catholic Church) or another bible?

brocab:
Jesus said one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God {John 3:1-21}.
{Matthew 28:19} The bible say's therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Oh, that's the bible I am familiar with; the bible put together by the early Church under one earthly leader - Peter.

brocab:
Are you a born again? Or do you follow after another
Does a born again mean denomination to you?

Of course, I am a born again. A born again is a born again and it means a born again to me.

brocab:
Jesus said when two or three are gathered in His name 'He is in the mist of us.

So?

brocab:
Can I ask a Question? Calling yourself 9 inches, are you just rude, or are you bragging about yourself, so you want the world to know you are overly large
Its funny you know, every time the truth is spoken out, you and all the other religion's I have spoken too, the first thing you all do is throw out insults. To be honest you haven't the slightest idea, about any truth about the bible knowledge. Do what Jesus did

Question unrelated to topic. Get your mind out of the sewer, it has nothing to do with what you are implying. Nonetheless, it's ok by me if people put different meanings to it. You are playing victim to the wrong person.

Put side by side both of our comments and see for yourself who is more guilty of insulting the other.

Most Catholic's will never see into the heavenly realm nor will they spend eternity with the Lord when the time comes. I hope you are aware of this information? There is only one way into Heaven with God, one must be born again, and baptised as a man in the name of the Father the Son and the HolySpirit.

No, I'm not aware of such information. Tell me which denomination or religion will have most of its members in heaven. We are not measuring here is Catholic versus other faiths, not holiness of the members.

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brocab:
How much time do you believe I need, maybe you should correct yourself in bible knowledge, and this will save time trying to explain the truth to you.
Even a child can understand the word of God. But a child can never understand the word of pagan religion, like you can.

You would require an indefinite amount of time until you are assessed to have grabbed some knowledge. Take it that you are still at a beginner level.
Nothing to explain to me; you cannot give what you do not have.

A child can get an idea about the word of God when the child is taught the way children are taught. Not everything can a child's brain contain.
Go and learn kiddo.

These days, dogs eat the bones hung on their necks.

brocab:
My knowledge in the kingdom of God is quite knowledgeable, it is you 'who is the child confused.
Knowing Jesus is my first priority, and studying His word means I am going places.
And to study about the Catholic Church is a goal I have chosen to do, only because your comrades Uben and the others involved, had given myself the information I needed to know the Catholic Church had and still continual's to corrupt the nations with your lessor knowledge of the bible, that you call Religious knowledge.

You need to study more to improve your knowledge. You're still a kid when it comes to religion and theologies therein. Give yourself more time and then come back for assessment.

Pharaoh let my people go

Very cute. That was taken before the advent of breaching cleam

Welcome dear dullard of daura. Happy eid to you and your family. I wish you good health and long life.

brocab:
Well if are having trouble understanding the truth about the Catholic Church, then I advise you to study up a little at least you will understand what the hell I am talking about.
And it won't sound senseless or disjointed to your own approval.

I don't have any trouble understanding anything about the Catholic Church. Your knowledge of Christianity is quite poor, let alone that of the Catholic Church. You can only teach confuse kids, not staunch Catholics like myself.

Times are hard, they have families to feed.

brocab:
Firstly Jesus didn't build a Church made of brick and mortar, this is where most Catholic's are wrong, Jesus didn't build His Church upon Peter nor Paul-He built His Church on the word of God, flesh and blood didn't give Peter the words to say truly you are the Son of the living God.. These words came directly from the Father Himself. Jesus then said Simon Peter and on this Rock I will build my Church.
Jesus also said when two or three are gathered He is in the mist of us. Meaning I don't even have to travel anywhere other then my home town to find fellowship with other believers.
Either I go over sea's there are always believers somewhere, either living in the streets or in their homes, or fellow-shipping in a Church building, Christ leads us where ever He directs us to go..
I do know the meaning of the Catholic's Universal, but your Church was the one that broke away from the rest of the world. We just need to study the history, about the crimes the Catholic Church had committed, and still they are committing today.

Your last post is disjointed and senseless. Guess you were half asleep while typing. You might want to edit.

brocab:
The Catholic Church was not commissioned by Christ, your claims built your Church that came from Peter as you recall it, God gave Peter the words to say.
{Matthew 16:16} And Simon Peter answered, you are the Christ the Son of the living God, and Jesus didn't reject it, only because the words weren't spoken in the flesh but in the Spirit. Jesus replied and bless are you Simon son of Jonah for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in Heaven..
The Catholic Church believed Peter was the author of your Church, Jesus said He will build His Church on the words the Father gave to Peter. Which means Peter isn't the rock the Lord was referring too..
And if you Catholic's believe Peter was the one Jesus planted a Church upon, then you had built your Church on flesh and blood.
And don't forget it was the Church of Rome that divided all Churches, because of pagan religion, you still use today.{Idolising your idol's}
{Daniel 2:31-34} The image head was of fine Gold, it's chest and arms of silver, it's legs of iron, You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image of it's feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces.
That answers it quite well about the Roman Catholic Church.

When Jesus founded the Church, it wasn’t a bunch of separate churches with their own individual doctrines, but a body with different parts throughout the world. We can see this from how Sts. Peter and Paul jumped from church to church around the Mediterranean Sea, founding churches that supported each other and had the same doctrine and rules.

It only makes sense that if Jesus founded one Church, it would be for the whole world. The word “catholic” comes from the Greek word “katholicos” which means universal. With that in mind, the Catholic Church is the Universal Church for all of humanity founded by Jesus. Only a single Church founded on Christ can fulfill the Great Commission, baptizing and making disciples of all nations.

One of the most beautiful things about the Catholic Church is its universality. I can attend mass pretty much anywhere around the world, and though I might not know the language, it’ll be the same liturgy with the same Eucharistic Lord and the same beliefs.

The Church must be able to adapt to different cultures without changing the doctrine or liturgy, which has been shown by the Catholic Church time and time again, on all 6 continents.

Virginkpekus:
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I never still recover till now.....Once again may God bless you all. Thanks.

ofeoil:
Wen u go start to piss 4 body becos of all the pushing on ur bladder, u go know, as u get older. Try 12 to 14 inches, 9inches too small!

I take God beg una

brocab:
Then why pray to the saints if they are already in Heaven, why not just pray to God, as the bible tells as to do.

Nothing more than to boost the chances of us obtaining favours. That's the lowest I can explain it for your grasp. Hope you get it now.

The Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly-guided, as He promised, by the Holy Spirit until the end of the world (John 14:26, 16:13).
It's not beans talk, it's a valid bragging right.

The mere fact that the Church teaches that something is definitely true is a guarantee that it is true (Matt. 28:18-20, Luke 10:16, 1 Tim. 3:15).

asamaigho:
Bros even paul ask d church to pray for one anoda......not dead people praying for the living.

Ur qwestion lacks biblical truth.

"Death" should be put in a context. In the Catholic Church, we don't consider those in heaven as dead people. We call it 'Communion of Saints'.
Have you ever heard us say "May the souls of all the faithfuls departed, through the mercy of God rest in peace"? We say 'departed', not 'dead'.

Freeglobe's statements 2 years ago.

FreeGlobe:
From now to March is a long time for courts to deliver judgment. I predict Obiano will be the first "Governor (s)elect" in Nigeria that will not be sworn in.

FreeGlobe:
Nonsense. Foolish post from a hireling. The consensus here in Anambra is for March 17 to come quickly for the clueless gov to fade into oblivion while we capture the state from his clueless stooge x2 via the courts.

Check his/her topics, he/she is an unemployed Ngige e-soldier.
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brocab:
You say you don't put anything or anybody before God, for centuries now the world knows who the Catholic's bow down and prise too. Kissing the feet of a statue.

And you think that petson is?

Don't forget you have placed Mary's name above all other names here on earth under the earth and above the earth.

You made that up, didn't you?

Queen of Heaven Mother of God

You can say that again. That's her status right there!

Secondly you say you pray for each other, placing Mary as your number one mediator between man to God, you also pray to saints asking them to watch over you

Right The bible encouraged us to do so.

haven't you heard let the dead bury the dead

So why would you bury your dead (grand)parents? Aren'tyou supposed to be dead to do so? Receive sense in Jesus name.

did these saints give themselves over to God and became born again Christians, as God commanded everyone to do, no-one can enter into the kingdom of God without becoming born again.

Yes they all did or else they would not have made heaven

I bow only to the Lord, and in His name I worship, I don't go through His Mother Mary, nor go through any of the dead saints

Same here bro. We offer the bolded directly to God. But when we need to make a plea for favours, we are at liberty to either go direct, through an approved intermediary or even use both. You can hardly reject your mother's plea, right?

1. In Heaven the saints pray-but I refuse to pray to them. My prayers is always directly to the Lord, not the saints,
2. I pray along with my brothers and sisters (who are saints) in the name of Jesus, everything we do, is in His name-there is no other name that's greater above the Earth, on the Earth, or under the Earth

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You just slayed yourself by the above statements.

Mary was made of flesh and blood a human being like us, Mary was born into sin, like we are. She received the Holy Spirit after she was found faithful to God to have His Child, God used Mary as the virgin to be the Mother of Jesus.

Mary being the "New Eve" of Revelation 12, brings life and salvation to all of her children through her obedience. The same "serpent" who deceived the original woman of Genesis is revealed in Revelation 12 to fail in his attempt to overcome this new woman. The New Eve overcomes the serpent and as a result, "The serpent is angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God, and bear testimony to Jesus" (Revelation 12:17).

If Mary is the New Eve and New Testament fulfillments are always more glorious than their Old Testament antecedents, it would be unthinkable for Mary to be conceived in sin. If she were, she would be inferior to Eve who was created in a perfect state, free from all sin.

After the birth of Jesus she had more children with Joe.

Mary assumed into heaven a virgin.

Mary was also born a sinner

Your word against the Mother of God and Her Son. My hand no dey there.

There's no place in the bible where it say's we are to worship Mary

The statement is even uncalled for, unless you have been worshipping Mary, which would be a wrong thing to do. I haven't seen that happen, have you?

I just had a good free time this morning, hence these replies. Now can we stop going off course and stick to our main discussion? Don't derail again.

brocab:
In the bible it tells us to put God first {Proverbs 3:6} In everything we do, put God first. A man is head of the woman and Christ is head of the Church.
{Matthew 6:33} But seek first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness.
{Matthew 6:24} No one can serve to masters, he will either hate the one, and love the other.
{Matthew 22:37} You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with or your soul and with all your mind,
So you see, the only passages we find about honouring our earthly Fathers and Mothers is in {Matthew 19:19, Ephesians 6:2, Exodus 20:12} And continual's with Loving your neighbour as yourselves.
And if Jesus used this prayer as a good example, it was a good one at that. And if were truly a man/woman in Christ, you wouldn't hesitate, this prayer the Lord had given us to pray. It says it all 'doesn't it...

God is first and even the end of everything we do as Catholics. We are encouraged to pray for each other, so asking for prayers from anyone on earth or in heaven is permitted in the scripture.
We don't put anything or anybody before God; He is the head of the Church. He shares that position with no one.

brocab:
You are right about God having a Mother on earth and He became flesh and Blood, living amongst men.
But praying to Mary-isn't the same as praying to God directly, but using Mary as your mediator between you and God, again isn't praying directly to God.
Why do we need to seek His Mothers help, when we have Our Father in Heaven Hollowed be thru Name your Kingdom come, thru will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven, give us our daily bread, and forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us, and do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. Amen...
Is this a direct prayer God had asked us all to pray, all have you another. That's not scriptural?...

Just to clarify this to you, Jesus taught us how to pray, the 'Our Father' prayer is more like a sample He gave. Throughout His lifetime on earth, I doubt He ever said that exact prayer.
Mary's intervention at Cana in Galilee is one of the reasons we seek her help. Catholics know you can't love, respect and honour your mother more than Jesus would.

brocab:
So does this mean you are now a happy chappy. I pray the way God had told us to pray-I find it easier praying to God by just asking Him directly for the things I need.
Your way of praying the Rosaries is man made, it isn't scriptural. And plus who pray's to Mary and expecting Her to mediate for us, when everyone knows all we need to do, is ask the Lord ourselves.

I pray to God directly too. Often times I seek for His mother's help; that works for me as well. It is not a one-way street but it certainly ends at one place.

His village winches no succeed for this mission, but dem try small. Thank God for the dude's life.

The male can check her size by inserting ONLY the tip of his tool.

Ndi ofe mmanu now exports mmanu. Good news

userplainly:
buh... guy.. seriously we r the future of this country... should we allow dia old n wack mentality affect us?..... I do not see anybody by religion or tribe.. I see u by who u r, character n all... WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT... cos if we don't, our generation will follow suit on this Madness...

Good way to think. But do you think the hausas/fulanis are being taught and programmed to think that way too?

brocab:
The Rosary's
1" Make a sign of the cross and say "Apostles Greed".
2" Say the "Our Father".
3" Say 3 "Hail Mary's".
4" Say the glory be to the "Father".
5" Announce the first mystery and then say the "Our Father".
6" Say 10 "hail Mary's" while mediating on the mystery.
7" Say the glory be to the "Father".
8" Announce the second mystery then say the "Our Father" Repent 6 and 7 and continual with third fourth and fifth Mysteries in the same Manner.
After the Rosary's
HAIL, HOLY QUEEN, Mother of Mercy, Our life Our sweetness and our Hope! to thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve.to thee do we send up our sights, mourning and weeping in the Vale of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eye's of mercy towards us, and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb. Jesus O clement, O Loving O sweet Virgin Mary.
V, Pray for us O Holy Mother Of God.
R, That we maybe made worthy of the promises of Christ.
Let us pray O God whose only begotten Son, by His Life, death and resurrection, has purchased for us the rewards of eternal life, grant, we beseech thee, that mediating upon these Mysteries of the "Most Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary" we may imitate what they contain what they promise, through the same Our Lord Amen.

I think you are wrapping your head around it now, although you forgot another 'sign of the cross' at the end.

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brocab:
Why make a sign of the cross, when you know God said don't make any images, above, on earth or under the earth.
And again besides the statues, you are showing signs of the cross before you pray, another image-then of course you pick up the rosary's and your first words are Hail Mary Mother of God.

@bolded, is that how your parents pray(ed) their rosary? Well, in Roman Catholic we start and conclude ALL prayers by saying 'In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit...' I just said it (twice) before my breakfast, and will repeat same when I finish.

One for your ignorance - Catholics do not "pick up the rosary"; we pick up the rosary beads and say the rosary.

As I do not charge money for curing ignorance, You are welcome!

Hunger is in the land. The people are suffering from Buhari. Ask any of them there, they wish P Square sprays money so their daily manna for the week can be assured.

brocab:
Its like this' if you knew some history about your religion then you may understand why the Catholic's don't pray directly in Jesus's name, nor do they end their prayers in His name. Nor does the Rosary's have anything to do with Him-Hail Mary, Mother of God.
All your prayers start with Mary and end with Mary-The Catholic's use Mary as their mediator, she is used as the go between 'between you and Jesus and the Father.
Rather then praying directly to Jesus and the Father, the Catholic's pray directly to Mary, and of course let us not leave out the dead saints {Have you heard this verse written in the bible, let the dead, bury their dead} Through history over time, millions of Catholic's bow down kissing Mary's feet as they enter into the church.
{If we were to worship the same God-we wouldn't be divided, but we are.}
What does the 10 commandments say? You shall not bow down before any images, that is made either above, on earth, and below the earth..
And what does the Catholic Church do, they worship these images as part of their pagan beliefs, everything God said not to do, the Catholic's do the opposite.
God said go into your secret place {Bedroom etc...} and when you Pray, pray to your heavenly Father.
With centuries of evidence the Catholic's had proven to the world they directly pray to their Heavenly Mother, Queen of Heaven, Mother of God.
For centuries the Catholic's had placed Mary on their pedestal as their go between {A mediator between God and Man} Lets not forget your dead saints you pray too laying around in the Vatican.
The Catholic church is divided against each other, and a divided church will never stand without God.

You know nothing about the Catholic church. Catholics don't start any prayer without making the sign of the cross. Do you know what the sign of the cross is?

brocab:
Listen we could argue about such religion all day long, and we can prove the sorcery the Catholic's have chosen to live, since the Church had planted Romes roots, Rome legs were made of Iron, the feet were made of Iron and clay, which divided the nations-and through the centuries the church sits in their weaknesses.
Divided themselves from God, Constantine had mixed Christianity with their pagan Goddess Queen Isis-Queen Dianna and Mary the Mother of God-all statues having the same Qualification until this day. Pagan religion use these images as their mediators, like the Catholic's use Mary as theirs.
Pagan religion also believe in praying to their dead saints, and of course the Catholic's do also.
Jesus said one must be born again before he can enter into the Kingdom of God. Most Catholic's believe the opposite, the Church comes before Christ.
Thur shalt not bow down before any other images made from above, on Earth, nor under the Earth.
You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve.
I am sure the name you have chosen had open up the eye's of the blind "9inches"

How does this relate to the comment you quoted, or you just attempted to start a new line of argument. You are free to start a new topic and mention my moniker, then I can address your assumptions and fallacies.