₦airaland Forum

kayfra:
That's bullcrap cop out nonsense affiliating the fulani emir with a slight yoruba heritage. It's an abysmal attempt to make the institutionalized subjugation more palatable. It's pure garbage. Grow some balls and take what is rightfully yours instead of Ngba ti Ngba ti excuses

The emir of Ilorin is the least of my worries right now, when there are so many other more pressing issues in Nigeria. Get that in your skull. It does not affect my well being nor my livelihood nor my identity. But, I obviously see that this bothers you deeply.

Nowenuse:
Yes, a different political system can completely change someone's identity.. Infact that is too much. An ordinary farming or survival system can change one's identity.

Hutus and Tutsis speak the same language, the only major difference between them was that some were herders and others farmers. We all knew where this took them.

You cannot define yoruba culture or identity in Nigeria without some common cultural elements. It's these cultures that make one a yoruba. Now, when a people do not practice almost all of these cultures, how can they be yorubas?

Tell me, is it just language alone that makes one a yoruba? Germans and Austrians speak the same language but they do not share ethnicity.

Yes, Tutsi and Hutu speak the same language, but they have different culture, oral history, and point of origin. To simply say they are the same ethnic groups would be ignoring centuries of history. The Yorubas of Ilorin are Oyo subgroup. That's a fact. North Korea and South Korea despite having different political systems both still have ethnic Koreans.

Germany and Austria are both nationalities and not ethnic group. The ethnic group residing in both country are still known as German.

kayfra:
So why can't you have an indigenous Yoruba as Emir? Are they inferior Islamic breeds as opposed to Fulanis?

Funny slaves

Who is you? Am I a collective? Maybe you should direct that question to the British who've crushed every historic attempt by Ilorin indigenes to overthrow the emir.

The emirate system like most monarchy works by inheritance through the paternal line. The emir is not even full Fulani. He's more Yoruba than Fulani. He's Yoruba on his maternal side and only partially Fulani on his father side through the line of Alimi. Much of the Fulanis in Ilorin these days are Yorubanized through years of intermarriage and assimilation in the dominant culture. In the Fulani culture, once you lose your language and way of life (pulaaku), you've become one of them and you are no longer Fulani. That's how Fulani indigeneship works, but then again I don't expect an outsider like you to understand.

Nowenuse:
The comparison of Nupe/Hausa emirates to that of Illorin holds no water. This is because the entire Nupe land and Hausa land have embraced the emirate system and integrated it into their culture. It has become part of their identity. This cannot be said for the Yoruba nation as a whole.
The emirate culture and essence has no business with mainstream yoruba identity hence Ilorin will always continue to remain odd to yoruba essence and identity.

Yes, Ilorin might be an oddity, but it doesn't detract from its identity. The emirate culture is built on Islam and Islam is not an oddity in Yorubaland. A different political system doesn't discredit someone's true identity.

Nowenuse:
The yorubas were not the main people to stop the spread of fulani jihad to the south. The middlebelters (Tivs, Igalas, Idomas, Jukuns, Plateaus) were.

Esans also fought against Nupe/fulani jihadists from spreading forward from Auchi.

Well, the middlebelt isn't exactly Southern Nigeria now is it?

Yes, the Esans tried as well in fending off the Nupe jihadists (not fulani jihadists) from encroaching into Esanland. Also, neither Esanland nor Auchi share a direct border with the Sokoto caliphate. Yoruba were the last frontier between the vast ethnic groups of Southern Nigeria and Sokoto caliphate. The Yorubas were the only ethnic groups in the South that I know of to dare TAKE BACK territories captured by the Fulani.

Nofav0rs:
Hausa. Arewa

In your wildest dreams. Lol, so you are just brainwashed. You're obviously just bitter about something or simply blinded over your overzealous pride. Also, you cannot be Arewa, unless you are from core Hausa or Kanuri states, which Kogi isn't a part of. Your opinion is not even the most commonly held opinion among Okun. Most Okun identify as Yoruba, maybe not the likes of you, but the majority does. And you are not kidding anybody. Okun is closer to Ebira than Hausa by miles. A tree that forgets its source will surely dry up. You have forgotten your origin and kinship, so you are best left to follow and pick up the crumbs left by your Arewa masters. You will never be Arewa, that's only a dream.

Nofav0rs:
How long do I need to school you people like Paddington? Gosh!

Okay, I'm from Yagba and we my dialect is Yagba

Do you know that there are Yagba communities in SW? Do you know that the people of Aiyede and several towns in Northern Ekiti state are Yagba? These communities are bonafied Yoruba, so are you going to tell me that they are not?

Yagba is not even the most distinctive dialect in Yorubaland. That title belongs to dialects of Akoko. If you are not related to Yoruba, then what ethnic group do you closely relate with? Nupe? Ebira? Hausa?

Nofav0rs:
Kabba people speak Owe. And I'm not alone on this.

I'm not gonna argue anymore. Have a great night rest

Owe is a dialect of Yoruba the same way Yagba or Ijumu or Ekiti are simply dialects. What's your dialect if I may ask?

Nowenuse:
Ilorin emirate covers the entire Kwara central including Asa & Moro officially. Are there any Obas in Asa or Moro? Hell no!
There are Nupe communities in Moro, hope you know that?

What I'm I seeing? Are there any Obas in Asa or Moro? Every Yoruba town, no matter how small or big has a king.


Give me a list of the Nupe communities in Moro.

Nowenuse:
Are you counting Kwara central (Ilorin) as yoruba land? Many people in Ilorin emirate reject yoruba tag and claim to be fulanis, hausas and Nupes.
Kwara south is the only pure yoruba land in Kwara state.

However that "many" people may be, they are far far less than the self-identified Yorubas of the city. Ilorin is a Yoruba city. Doesn't Bida have an emir? Why aren't we here arguing if Bida is a Nupe town or not? Maybe Kano is no longer a Hausa city anymore. Yoruba haters are so fixed on the identity of Ilorin. This is what keeps them awake at night.

troy20:
Abi. You're afraid of owning up to the truth that the Yoruba Nation are a people of easy conquest by the Fulani jihadist. Cowards! Keep consoling yourself. And while you do that, imagine it the other way round that a Fulani man made same comment about that same illorin not even their own land. Off course it would have been dismissed as the opinion of an over excited fulani man cause no body would've bothered about him. Well illorin is already long gone. The Yoruba kingdom is under a siege you deluded fvck!

Yorubas were the only group of people in Southern Nigeria to sucessfully halt the fulani's expansion southward when the Hausas and many other groups in the North were being overrun by Jihadists. It took a united coalition of Yoruba city states to stop their advance. Ilorin was the only casualty of the war. If it weren't for this very fact, I'm sure the whole of Southern Nigeria would be overrun by Sokoto. I doubt the Southeast would stand a chance against them. I doubt you could organized a strong enough military coalition to tackle the Jihadists like the Yorubas did. Especially, not with the non centralized clanship political system you had back in the day.

Blackfire:
Are they yorubas...


Because there language dont sound yoruba o

Yes they are Yoruba and their language does sound like Yoruba. Maybe, it's not the type of Yoruba you are familiar with, but it's still Yoruba. Broaden your horizon, Yoruba language isn't just the Yoruba spoken in Lagos or Ibadan.

iamhorny:
Just in the month of March alone....



Then this one

NneNne Iwuji-Eme Becomes Britain's First Black Female Ambassador by

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/22/first-black-female-high-commissioner-appointed-by-foreign-office-nnenne-iwuji-eme

Oya clap for yourself. Light skin, being "Hebrew" and being mixed are now accomplishments? Lol

GworoChewinMaga:
There is no such thing as yoruba.

Go and ask the oldest living relic in your family what they used to call themselves

Yoruba is a hausa/fulani mockery of your people.

I sha blame Ajayi Crowther for taking an arab muslim description which he got from hausa/fulanis in Nigeria as the name of your tribe.

[s]This is what this thread is all about and not about dragging tribe[/s]

I just crossed out an obvious lie. This is not about dragging tribe lol, yet you are so desperate to invent some lies to prove a victimhood that only exist in your Muslim hating brain. I mean I haven't heard of Hausa people come out on this thread to say that they invented the word Yoruba as a mockery. However, it's the Igbos who have become loud spokesmen for Hausas, when the Hausas themselves have said literally nothing.

What Arab muslim description are you talking about? I am confused. Was Yoruba invented by the Fulanis or the Hausas or the Arabs, because you seem to be mixing those three groups together? Lol I'll leave it to Igbos to narrate the history of Yoruba people. Nonsense!

The funny thing is that most popularized derogatory term in Nigeria that I know of, "nyamiri" was specially drafted by Hausas to mock you people. Maybe you should focus more on changing this perception and less on how Yoruba people got their name.

0monnak0da:
I thought the clowns say they do not have kings so any culture that has kings cannot be Yibbo

I wonder the same thing. Even their king's title is Oloza derived from Oloja.

Klinee:
Am not saying that 'Olukumi' people are Igbo but my observation there, their cultural activities affiliate towards Igbo maybe because of proximal acculturation to aniocha people of Delta state.
But from a little I can understand in 'Olukumi' language is more of Igala language than Yoruba.

How do you know it's more Igala than Yoruba. Do you speak either of these languages to effectively conclude that it's more Igala than Yoruba? The sentences and words you listed earlier can be understood by a common Yoruba speaker. The common school of thought by scholars is that it's an isolated Eastern Yoruba language. Even their king bears Ayo, an unmistakably Yoruba name.

Klinee:
Olukumi for me is more of Igala than Yoruba, their language sound more deviant Igala language.
Though their language is very difficult for an average Igala man to understand and they very closer to Igala than Yoruba.
But in Olukumi town like Ugbodu and Okunzu they are bilingual speaking olukumi language and Igbo language fluently. The 'Olukumi' as a word, I believe is an Igala word which means 'my friend'
Secondly there is no sign of Yoruba culture in their land, their names is purely Igbo, their culture is purely Igbo.
I remember visited the town Ugbodu taken a bike from Issele uku, en route Onisha uku down to Ugbodu.
I recall visiting the Paramount ruler of Ugbodu town the Odogwu of Ugbodu.
In 'Olukumi' father is refer as Bami, mother is refer to as Yami.
If I say 'mu pure water wa' means 'bring pure water come'
'Bu iji rumi' cut firewood for me
'maa ko iji ru' you people should park firewood

The funny thing is that what you just wrote up there can be understand by your average Yoruba speaker. It just looks like a dialect of Yoruba. Don't try to twist it to fit your made up narrative. Anyways you tried sha.
Odogwu is Odogun in Yoruba.
It's actually "Baa mi" which is just a shortened version of "Baba mi" meaning my father.
"mu pure water wa" is exactly the same in Olukumi and Yoruba.
"Bu iji ru mi" in Yoruba is "Be igi fun mi" which also means cut firewood for me.
"Maa ko iji ru" would be "maa ko igi fun" in Yoruba.

The closest attested language to Olukwumi is the dialect spoken around Owo in Ondo state, which is where Olukwumi people say they migrated from. Olukumi in Yoruba means my friend or my confidant. The Igala version of oluku is "onuku." You and I know you are not sincerey when you say their names and culture is "PURELY" igbo. It's one thing to say that they've absorbed elements from Igbo due to proximity, it's another thing to say there entire culture is "PURELY" Igbo. We all know that there are many non-Igbo elements in Anioma. Olukumi people are not Igbo nor do they identify as such. Their kings' thrones is from Ife.

Hirad:
I'll reply back to you in segments since you took your time with this reply.
First of all, the argument is not about racial or genetic purity. It's the blatant lie that Somalis are Arabized or bastardised Arabs. That was my issue with the person you're quoting. We already know of our mixture, but despite trading with the rest of the world for millennia, we barely mixed with outsiders as it is evident from our DNA results. The most thorough DNA test for Horn Africans like myself is 23andme which I have taken. It states that I am 98% East African and by East African, it alludes to people from the Horn mainly who all pretty much share the same haplotype which is E1b1b. Our admixture as I've stated above comes from thousands of years before when there weren't such thing as a Somali ethnicity, when we were just grouped with other Cushitic speakers.

I just want to chime in on this discussion. Yes, your haplogroup can help you understand your ancestry, but it's not a marker for a race. Haplogroups are just sections of your gene that is passed down through either paternal or maternal lineage, meaning that you can only inherit one male or female marker from one of your thousands of male or female ancestors. For example, you can be half Chinese and half German and only inherit an East Asian haplogroup, despite also being half German. In fact, you can inherit a halogroup that is not frequently found in your own ethnic group. Yes, Eb1b(E-M215) is the most common ancestry among Somalis, but there are those that don't have E1b1b. In your case, that same E1b1b haplogroup clade is also found in high percentages among people in the Northwest Africa, even found among some Southern Europeans, and certain West African ethnic groups despite the phenotypic differences across those populations. Another example is the R1b haplogroup, which is the most common hplogroup in Western Europe. Interestingly enough, this same R1b is the most common haplogroup among Afro-Asiatic (Chadic) speakers living in Northern Nigeria, Southern Niger, Chad, and Northern Cameroon despite the phenotypic dissimilarities between Chadic speakers and Western Europeans. Anyways, the E haplogroup is unmistakenably an African haplogroup according to scientists and is the most common haplogroup in Africa. It's broken down into many smaller clades, one of which is E1b1b. So, yes Somalis are African. However one is only as African as one would like to portray oneself.

Our Admixture and migration only confirms that we are more purer compared to our neighbouring Nilotic and Bantu tribes as they are much more mixed than us.

The lady you are talking about is from a distinct Somali ethnicity called Banadiri - a lot of them are Somalized Arabs. So it's not a shocker to see her get 5% South Asian and what not. The average Somali person gets no more than 0.5%-1% Arab or European.

I don't know how true this claim about Bantus are Nilotics are, but I'm sure you won't want people calling Somalis unpure either. Also, what ever happened to the Bantus and or Nilotic population the Somalis enslaved historically? Did they magically disappeared? In many cultures, slaves after many centuries often integrate with the culture that enslaved them. This is the reason why many Arabs carry some Subsaharan African DNA. Also, in the world of genetics, pure is not necessarily a good thing despite the prevail of the notion in society. Populations that are "pure" are more likely to be predisposed to genetic conditions and undesirable traits as they lack genetic diversity. We can see this in some Ashkenazi Jewish populations who are more predisposed to certain genetic conditions. Also in the world that we live in, purity is often hard to come by.

Although, Somali trolls do go overboard with the insults, but I reckon it is just a retaliation to West Africans telling them they're bastardised Arabs, not really black and make fun of their features which is surprisingly not seen as anti-black due to West and southern Africans seemingly taking ownership of the African look, as if everyone in Africa is meant to resemble them.

I am not inclined to believe that the resentment and believes often displayed by these Somali trolls on Nairaland are not a direct representation of the common beliefs held by many Somalis. These beliefs often show some superiority complex. Maybe not you in particular, but truth be told that many Somalis hold a great deal of disdain for their immediate neighbors in Africa yet show more love to Arabs. I mean this thread is a clear example of such. So, it may not come as a surprise that some ignorant folks have such mindset of Somalis. This is Nairaland. The most common discussion commonly discussed here are related to politics, celebrities, travel, religion, etc. The people who usually start thread like these are infact Somali trolls desperate for attention, not West Africans. Many West Africans don't really know much of Somalis and the same can be said vice versa. Infact, I know many Somalis don't know much of West Africa. This platform can be used by Somalis to educate and teach West Africans about Somali culture, but I guess it's more important to create silly threads like this.

Most Somalis are 1st and 2nd generation refugees from a war-torn country, they will naturally underperform until they reach 2nd and 3rd generation. Such is the integration patterns with refugee groups around the world. Resettling refugees into a foreign land and expecting them to become world-beaters isn't realistic. Also, Somalis are in no way comparable to West Africans. The former is 20 million with only 1 million of those based outside of the Horn, while the latter numbers over 300 million.

But let me address your points:

"Somalis don't have intellectuals and world-renowned people"

Sir Mohamed Farah - A refugee who came to the UK as a 12 year-old. Name a west African equivalent to Mo Farah?
AbdulQawi Yusuf - incumbent president of the International Courts Justice.
Nuruddin Farah - Multi-award winning author and Nobel prize nominee for his outstanding novels.
Rageh Omaar - World famous reporter and award-winning TV presenter who worked for the BBC and Al-Jazeera.
Ahmed Hussen - Canadian minister of immigration. Holds this office despite being born in Somalia.
Ilhan Omar - First Somali-American state lawmaker and despite also being born in Somalia.
Iman Abdulmajid - Model, actress, philanthropist and businesswoman, also born in Somalia.

So much for they don't produce famous people and I'm typing this from the top of my sleepy head and I haven't even mentioned the younger generation which are all on the come up.

Ayan Hirsi one of the last Somali people I'd want to claim. She literally made money from lying about her culture, ex-husband, parents and religion. In the end she was booted out of the Dutch parliament after an embarrassing scandal. The US media completely hide this from the public whilst parading her around as a voice against Islam. They'll spit her out once they're done with her, just like the Dutch before them.

"Khat" - this is a drug used throughout the horn of Africa and some parts of Arabia. Yemenis are an even bigger Khat-consuming nation.
"FGM is exclusive to Somalis" - False FGM is practised among your West African people too, it is practised both north and west of Nigeria, all the way to the Senegambia region. This ancient practice is outlawed in Somalia, but may still be practised in the rural regions of East Africa where Somalis are not the only ones doing it.
"Polygamy" - You must be extremely ignorant to think that Somalis are the only Africans to practise polygamy. Almost all of Sub Saharan Africa does this, even the fully Christian nations in southern Africa.
"Somali cuisine is not known" - If where you're from has a huge Somali population, specifically London, Minnesota, Seattle, Ohio or Toronto, then you're deliberately ignoring Somali restaurants. One of the restaurants in Minneapolis even has the mayor visiting on a regular basis and has been awarded and mentioned on Minnesota state channels multiple times - look up Afro Deli.

Miss pretend-European, it's not rocket science to see that you're an angry West African. It's intriguing how you know about khat and FGM, but don't know even more simpler things. Alas, I totally agree with you though, the trolls are damaging our already bad image and if you read through this thread you will have seen that the original poster has already been called out for his stupidity. That is probably why he's not posting anymore.

To preserve the civil discussion we're having on this thread, I won't give a reply to the rest of your post. I don't want to get sucked into silly arguments like that, they only lead to insults and pettiness.

Yes, I agree. It's a misconception to think Somalis haven't accomplished much. I mean the negative news you hear everyday often clouds over the positivity. I can sit hear and repeat that Africa is a poverty stricken hopeless continent, and completely ignore the fact that most of the fastest growing economies in the world are in Africa. I can also sit here and focus on political instability in Somalia and ignore the government's progress over the years. It's simply ignorance.

Hati13:
Welcome back


There are new evidences being presented that disprove the claim that Semitic originated in the Middle East in favor of NE Africa homeland.

Agreed

How couldn't they be when their main ancestors (Afroasiatic) came from NE Africa? It's because of assimilation like you suggested that they gradually became light skinned.

I agree. Only very few Horners intermingled with Arab. The great genetic similarities between Horners and Yemenis is the result of the former settling, colonializing and intermixing with the Yemeni in ancient times.

I haven't researched such evidence. Is it commonly accepted or is it just a speculation? I would love to see such theory.

If we use that logic, then the original Chinese or Europeans were black. You can say the precursor to Arabs were black, but at the time Arabs started calling themselves Arab however many centuries ago, you can't definitely say they were black. They could be very well, but again that's just speculation.

Actually that specific admixture you speak off was relatively small and it was mostly with the Semitic speaking honers. It's negligible with Cushtic, Omotic, and Nilotic speakers.

Kestolovee95:
Hausas are slaves too under fulani dominion how can they behave like freeborns when they are not?

Your name is your root, when masters buy slaves they take away old names effectivy ending their status as freeborns and they become slaves.

I will feel like commiting suicide if I grew up to learn that one musligworo-cheing towel-head somewhere gave my great ethnic group the name they celebrate.
I even prefer you guys revert back to 'anago' that the dahomey girly warriors called you whenever they came to remove the heads of your warriors and take them home as trophies. It sound more pleasing to the ear. ,D

Your mind is clearly filled with hatred and bigotry, so you would only hear what you want to hear. I don't think you can comprehend logic and reasoning, but I'll try anyways.

Also, since you clearly know the meaning of Yoruba in Hausa, let me ask you this. What the meaning of Yoruba in Hausa? Make we hear.

Yes, Anago can be used as a general term for Yoruba, but it really applies to one subgroup of Yoruba that live mostly in Benin Republic, but some can also be found in Togo and Nigeria. In fact, the few Anagos that are found in Nigeria inhabit the present-day Ipokia local government in Ogun state. Anago was not invented by the Dahomeys, don't try to twist history. Anago is a very archaic term and it originally refers to a Yoruba subgroup that live along the Weme river. Anago can be found in Yoruba folklore, music, and oral traditions.

You should know that the same Dahomey you talk about was under the control of imperial Oyo for about a 100 years. The history and relationship between Yorubas and Dahomey was much more complex than what you made it seem. If you bring up the Amazon Dahomey fighters, you have to talk about power dynamic. The original reason the Amazon warriors existed in the first place was because the Dahomey wanted to control the booming coastal trade kingdom of Ouidah. Dahomey was originally largely an inland kingdom in the heart of Fon territory, which was why they wanted to have access to the coast and direct trans-atlantic trade. Ouidah fell in 1727 and this was documented by the European traders. Some years later in 1740, Oyo would then defeat Dahomey even with their Amazon warriors. Dahomey would pay tribute to Oyo becoming a vassal state for a century or so. In fact the reason why the Amazon fighters get global recognition for their bravery is not really with their failed incursions with Yorubas, but with the Europeans. The female warriors were used by Dahomey against the French during the series of war known as the Franco-Dahomean wars. I'll end at that.

KwaraRat:
The word "Yoruba" does not have any meaning in the language of the Olukumi People but traces it's origins from the mockery the Hausa/Fulani jihadist used in describing the once great race after they had sacked Oyo Ile (the capital of the old Oyo empire) and annexed Ilorin for the Sokoto Caliphate.

The word Yoruba is derived from the two words: Oyo and Oba and from the Hausa/Fulani dialect was pronounced "Oyoroba" and was a direct mockery of how they (Hausa Fulanis) captured Ilorin, killed Afonja and the Oba of old Oyo.

How the Olukumin peope will accept a known derogatory mockery as the name of their race baffles me.

Hello, I see that you've crawled out of your little rat hole. Let me make some things clear so your little rat brain can stop looking for trouble.

Number 1: It's Olukumi, not Olukumin as the title of this thread suggests. I've even heard of other variations like Olukwumi, and even Lukumi, but never Olukumin.

Number 2: The word Yoruba existed long before Ilorin was ever sacked. The first documentation of "Yoruba" was not even by a Hausa but by a Songhai scholar in the 1500s. Ilorin was annexed some centuries later.

Number 3: There is no such thing as "Hausa/Fulani" dialect. Hausa and Fulfulde are completely separate languages on their own right.

Number 4: "Yoruba" is not a derogatory term in the so called "Hausa/Fulani" dialect nor was it ever used as a mockery term. It was simply a name for an ethnic group SW of the Niger River.

Number 5: There is nothing like "Oyoroba." You made that up in your rat brain. The term that Hausas use is "Yorubawa" which is just how they say Yoruba in their language.

Now that you've been educated, you can now crawl back to the hole you came from.

Hati13:
He is wrong and I agree in your points.

By the way, Afroasiatic originated in Africa. This group are Omotic, Cushite (Agaw, Afar, Somali, etc...), Chadic, Ancient Egyptian, Berber and Semitic (Arab, Ethiosemitic, etc....).

So this means Somali or any Horners generally didn't come from Arabia, but the early Afroasiatic ancestors of Arabs came from Horn of Africa. Semitic identity might originated in Levant or Egypt or even in Ethiopia/Eritrea. If Semitic originated in Ethiopia/Eritrea, it will explain why there are many diverse Semitic languages in Ethiopia/Eritrea than Arabia or Levant. But more research needs to be done to totally validate this theory.

Light skin Horners are few. This trait is indeed as result of non-African influence, but the other features are indigenous to the area (Afroasiatic originated in the Horn like I said above). Arabs were black skinned at first before they were raped by Whites in ancient times).

I haven't been active on this site for a while, so I am actually glad that I came across this page.

To address your point. I have no doubt that the Afro-asiatic branch originated from Africa. Out of all the branches (Coptic, Cushitic, Chadic, Berber, Omotic), only one is not exclusive to Africa and that is the Semitic branch. It's most likely that it originate from the Middle East. If you are judging by diversity only as a means of pointing to the origin of a language, I will have to say that that the Arabian peninsula and the adjoining Levant region host the most diversity for Semitic languages. The reason why you don't hear of these semitic languages and you only hear of Arabic is because of the dominance of Arabic over the vast Semitic languages during the Arabization of the Middle East. For example, Aramaic, Moabite, Nabatean, Eblaite, and Phoenican used to be spoken in modern day Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq. Of that list, only Aramaic has managed to curb extinction. The Semitic languages spoken in the Horn belong exclusively to the South Semitic languages. The only place outside of Africa where they are spoken historically are Yemen, Oman, and South of Saudi Arabia. The Ethiopian Semitic languages developed in isolation and spread from coastal areas to further inland. Nonetheless, outside of Africa, it is spoken in a region that's the closest to the continent. The idea of a continent in itself is a Western social construct based on somewhat arbitrary boarders like the Suez Canal, the Caspian Sea, etc.

Languages doesn't prescribe genetics. A Hindi speaker from India looks completely different from a Norwegian speaker despite both speaking languages belonging to the same family. The main factor for genetics is location. Also, the idea of light skin being non-African or being a trait largely found in the horn is bogus. Most corners have a variety of skin tones. Genetic diversity goes beyond skin tones, hair texture, or any physical traits. Have you ever wonder how someone from Africa can look vastly different from someone from Europe and yet share 99.9% of DNA. Also, the people with some of the highest frequency of lighter skin, even more so the Horrners are the Khoi-Sans of Southern Africa.

I won't go as far as to say that the original Arabs were black. I would say however that Arab assimilation has resulted in an extremely diverse ethnic group from Sudan to Syria to Yemen.

Now back to the main matter. To slightly suggest that the vast majority of people from the Horn have Arab ancestry is beyond ridiculous. If you note how Arab mixing or assimilation works, it's usually through the paternal line. This is possibly due to their polygamous nature. You can't just be "mixed" or partially Arab or even 1% Arab without full assimilation with their culture, which means you have to not only convert to Islam, but also loose your indigenous language, and erase much of your pre-existing identity. A vivid example of this can be seen among Sudanese Arabs. The people of the horn have retained their culture and languages, which means that they didn't mix with Arabs. In short what I am trying to say is that having the slightest Arab element historically meant that you loose your identity and culture altogether.

Outofsync:
Oyo Yoruba

Ijebu Yoruba

Iwo Yoruba


And that intelligible gargle the Ekiti and Ondo's call Yoruba


so..... Yoruba and English majorly �

And what's the difference between Oyo and Iwo Yoruba?

Damoxy:
Any African Food with Snake and Monkey Meat is the best Right now.

You must like ebola...

Godzlove8:
Hello, please i really want to learn how to speak and understand yoruba. This very thing has been disturbing me alot after i went on a visit to kwara state and i was dumbfounded when i realised i couldn't relate or understand the people there cos all of them were speaking in either yoruba or hausa. I wanna know, is there any online website that renders tutorial on this?
or what's the best way to learn.. I'm currently in uyo now and i got no yoruba friend here.

Hausa, really? There are no Hausa indigenes in Kwara. You were probably mistaking Hausa for Nupe, the second most spoken language in Kwara after Yoruba. Anyways to answer your question, I'll say listening is the most important aspect of learning Yoruba. I currently don't know any good online source, but watching Yoruba movies in subtitles (movies with quality subtitles) may help, at least for a start.

Olu317:
According to Joseph Greenberg, he postulated four source in which language similarities could emerge. And they are
1. Chance
2. Symbolism
3. Borrowing
4. Genetic relationship

The daily spoken words of Yorubas is one third of arabic—Semitic Origin.
Below are some list;

one-third? How did you arrive to that conclusion? Where are your sources? Arabic loan words is maybe just 1% of spoken Yoruba.

Aàrá (Yoruba)—Ar-ra ad (Arabic- Semitic) Thunder
Abèrè Ibrah needle
Alààyè Al Hayyu The living one
Asalé Asal Evening
Aanu Hannan/Hannon Mercy/Merciful
Baále/Baalè. Ba'al Husband/Lord
Dabira Dabbara Dispose
Èebu Ayb Abuse
Fìtíla Fatilah wick
Omugo Hamuqa Stupid/ slowpoke
Wakati Waqt. Time
ìran Irah look/watchful
Ogun Og Associated with war(warrior
)

Yes some of those words like wakati or fitila are clearly loan words from Arabic that came to Yoruba through trade. It's quite sad seeing you trying so hard to pass off pure Yoruba words as Arabic Loan words like Iran, omugo (which in reality stems from the Yoruba word "Ago" meaning stupid/dumb), eebu(which stems from the verb bu ,meaning to insult), or ogun (which is a direct Yoruba word for war, the Arabic equivalence is harb).

[s]Yorubas are set of people that developed from fusion of different group that became one. According to Al Ilori , these origin is traceable to four groups .
Namely;
1. Negroes
2. Nubians
3. Berbers
4. Arabs—Hebrew(Middle Eastern)


The man who was the rallying point was Odua(The first “Ooni" )

You can also read; “Ancient Egyptian and modern Yoruba [/s]"

No, that's another lie. Congrats! You're just another brainwashed Arab/Egyptian/Hebrew wannabe suffering from inferiority complex trying so hard to rewrite history to feel some sort of accomplishment. You don't and can't speak for a people of 40-50 million people with this crap you wrote up there. No, I can't and won't stand by it. It's just you and your descendants that came from the Middle East. Get that?

This is why the rest of he world laughs at people like you and say you have no history until the arrival of he Europeans. Why? It's because people like you don't take pride in your identity, but instead condemn your heritage, corrupt your culture, and make up imaginary stories that you originate from some far fetched place instead of the land that birthed you.

macof:
The jukuns expanded their territory into Igala and Egbira lands. Placed their people in power as Attah at Idah, but the Attahs eventually led a war of independence

I didn't know that. Well with that in mind, it's safe to say that they didn't necessarily originate from the Junkuns.

Y0ruba:
Nice.

I wasn’t pushing the Mecca theory. I was only saying the word may have originated from Hausa/Fulani description of the people of Katunga as Oyo. The Ahmed Baba angle is an interesting theory I have never really pursued.

At the emboldened: I think your postulation there is quite a bit of a stretch considering Oyo was struggling to exist all through its early years and was grappling with just Nupe under Tsoede as at 16th century.

It didn’t become a power bloc or an empire until 17th century. So I wonder how it conquered Kebbi or had Songhai settlers when Oyo was getting sacked and evacuating to Igboho, Borgu & so on with every invasion.

I am not saying it is impossible, I am only grilling it with hopes of getting boxed in a corner of satisfaction.

Yes I know you aren't pushing the Meccah theory, it's usually the lost Arab wannabes who believe that nonsense.

I didn't say Oyo conquered Kebbi, the Songhais did. I mention this to show the distance proximity between the two. In fact, the Songhais under Askia The Great in the 1500s encroached well into the borders of modern day Nigeria. Much of the Northwestern parts of Nigeria was under their control. Just to show you how far they encroached, the Nupes lived directly South of the Songhai's conquered territories. The 1500s also happened to be a period of scholarships among them and one of the scholars that lived during that time period was Ahmed Baba who wrote about Oyo. Do you see the connection?

macof:
It's their kings that originated from Jukun

Are you saying the people willingly allowed foreigners to rule over them?

Y0ruba:
Not to be rigid but I think the ‘Oyo Oba’ thing is a revisionist attempt at localising the source of ‘Yoruba’ as a nomenclature. Asides from ‘Oyo Oba’ another revisionist angle is ‘Yo ru ebo’. These revisionisms aimed at nationalising the etymology of ‘Yoruba’ considering every group is doing it these days. Personally, recognising the hard fact that we didn’t regard ourselves as Yoruba and none of the major blocks referred to each other as Yoruba until the 19th century, I am inclined to go with the theory of ‘Yoruba’ which Sultan Bello told Clapperton about - which Clapperton recorded but Sultan Bello was referring to Oyo at that time. Oyo to Hausa/Fulani was Katunga while the people of Oyo were Yoruba. Sultan Bello said the Yoruba people (of Katunga) migrated from Mecca with a certain group in northern Nigeria (Oyo palce & Samuel Johnson hijacked Oduduwa into this Mecca story of the Oyo). This gives the etymology of Yoruba which was corrupted to Yoruba & later became one of the numerous encompassing nomenclatures for us - Yoruba, Anago & Aku.

Baba the emboldened go hard o, na Awori dialect & na person wey sabi the dialect go fit help but I’ll look at texts in the house tomorrow to see what I can find.

Make I add one more word. Ebutte-Metta, usually regarded these days to mean three shores(?). See the screen shot below for its original etymology.

The Meccah thing is obviously absurd. Also, the first mentioning of Yoruba in writing was in the 1500s by a Songhai scholar named Ahmed Baba in a treatise, in which he described the kingdom. Oyo traded with the Songhai and many Songhai scholars were present within Oyo's boundary. There was even a point that they conquered much of Kebbi state.

Names include Yoruba, Anago, Nago, Olukumi, Aku, etc. Also, the term "Yoruba" is more used in Nigeria and with the British than anywhere else. Yorubas in Benin, Togo, as well as diaspora throughout much of W.Africa are more commonly/historically referred to as Anago or Nago.

scholes0:
The Ebiras used to be ruled by a figure called the Atta of Ebira before, they not too long ago changed it to Ohinoyi.
Political enmity between them and the Igala have increased their differences.

Funnily enough the languages both groups speak have nothing to do with Jukun. Ebira has about 30% cognate similarity with Nupe, Gade and Gbagyi , While Igala has about 65% cognition with Yoruba-Itsekiri.

As for the Akoko-Edos

Here is your confirmation as to my earlier point which I made years ago in the other thread.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4608/26320504308_e66b4e9c5e_b.jpg

A fun fact: The traditional ruler of Yagba kingdom of Ayede in Ekiti state is referred to as "Attah(Ata)" of Ayede. I too don't think Ebira or Igala originate from the Jukun as many would like to claim. The Kwararafa kingdom existed in the 16th century and both the Igala and Ebira have been in existence along the confluence far prior to that. Like you said, their languages are not even related.

macof:
Exactly. If he believes he is not of African origin then he cannot be Yoruba because Yorubas are of 100% African origin

Plain and simple! With the kind of things he says, you would think he's Arab or something. He knows more about Semitic history than Yoruba history.