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izzou:


[color=royalblue]A001, give me one word for this church.[/color]

Lols

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Rumour don dey already abt top ranking saudi pro league clubs playing champions league...

I won't even rule out the possibility. Their sheikhs have the financial resources. So it's possible in the near future that such an arrangement will be made.

OasisX:


17 paragraphs yàn yàn. I go need refreshment dey ground before I fit real am bruh.

You can ignore the post now. Abi. Most of my posts here are directed to a only tiny percentage of reasonable people. The ignorance on this forum is deep.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]How some of you argue with the most intelligent African on earth, shows how dull you guys are..

I like how he is choking you people with intelligence[/color]

You didn't know before ni. The most intelligent Africans are those that promote their culture and traditions. It's good you know now.

Anyone that demonizes and condemns his forefathers unjustly and ignorantly like most Africans do, while promoting and supporting the forefathers of other peoples, demonstrate what sane people call low intelligence.

airmark:
How did they make their ancestors support the transfers of Ronaldo, Neymar, Ighalo and others to their country?

I already addressed this question before. I don't have the luxury of time to rehash the explanation now in a lengthy post.

I explained it when I talked about the issue of transfer of knowledge in a race or people across generations. I'd give a brief explanation:

When an intelligent person researches his history and learns about his culture and traditions, he can stumble upon some of the great works developed by his ancestors or forebears of the past eras and build on their works.

Some Africans luckily see some unknown gadgets and technologies in their dreams. That's their ancestors sending a message to them.

If such an African that got such a message act on it, he can become our own Thomas Edison on Africa or influence other Africans to achieve such status.

Some of technologies you see around today were messages some past people sent to modern humans and inspired them to build the technologies.

Mazda is a good example. Ahura Mazda is a past human that lived in places around the Asian continent.

Or you think the name, Mazda, you see all around is a coincidence?

A Yoruba person can learn about Ifa, one of his ancestors, and if he/she's into science and technology, Ifa, a past scientist and programmer, can inspire him/her to build a gadget that he/she will name after Ifa.

Then, when such a gadget is exported to other places, people around will start seeing Ifa, Ifa all around but won't know that Ifa was a man.

Many technologies you see all around are actually inspiration from past humans, which religious people worship as God ignorantly.

That's one key reason a typical Arab doesn't joke with his ancestor, Allah, and forefathers, unlike most Africans.

If an African luckily dreams about a popular technology of the past human eras (a revelation from their ancestor) and they're lucky to find the philosophy and science (developed by that ancestor while on Earth) underlying that technology, that person is on the path of greatness.

When there are many of such cases in a country or continent, that's one of the key ways through which societies develop and advance: The advantage of transfer of knowledge for a people across generations.

But if he's one of the mumu people that demonize their ancestors and forebears, he can't have such an opportunity. There are tons of benefits of promoting your culture and traditions.

So many ignorant comments on this forum sha, lols

airmark:
Ki lo tun kan ancestors bayi? (What brought ancestors into this?).😄

Lols, all these funny questions sha. You think the Arabs just promote their ancestor, Allah, for nothing?

Highly intelligent people know if, as a people, you don't have the backing and support of your ancestor and forebears, such people won't develop. They'll be the slaves of this world.

OasisX:


.....what Muslims in Africa gets to do with influx of players to Saudi?

Lols, this your question is very funny. Do you know how much Saudi makes a year from Muslim pilgrims from Africa alone? How do you think Saudi can fund all those big transfers in the football world if not due to their booming tourism sector and their oil sector?

Africans have millions of generous 'givers' on the continent trooping to Saudi to contribute "owo omogo" (money paid by dumb people) and help the Arabs develop their economy, especially their tourism sector.

If Africa has intelligent people in high number like Asia and Europe, Africans can develop their cultures and traditions and package certain aspects of those cultures and be selling them to world.

Nature really blessed Africa with many attractive and mysterious sites that can help the tourism sectors of its countries to develop and thrive, but most Africans have demonized all these sites as places meant for pagans and idolaters due to the toxic influence of Islam and Christianity.

You've your own gold and diamond right in your environment there, right under the earth you walk on, but you can't refine, package and sell them to other peoples and use the funds realized to develop your country and continent.

It's almost like Africa is cursed with low intelligent people in high numbers.

The body of knowledge Oyinbo people used to develop Google is something right in our backyard here in Yorubaland: The Odu Ifa corpus.

The knowledge of computer programming isn't new to Earth. It's ancient knowledge known to our ancestors and forefathers in Africa and even other parts of the world.

All the programming computer scientists and engineers are doing today are actually elementary to those done by Olorun, Ifa, Orunmila, and many other gods of ancient Africa.

Those gods programmed animals, plants, microbes, and tons of others.

If you understand what it takes to design and program a human being, then you'd know building and programming machines (computers) is child's play compared with that.

The funny thing there are still lots of mysteries right in our environment there in our home towns, which is advanced knowledge of science and technology that our ancestors and forefathers in Africa knew but are hidden and lost knowledge to modern scientists.

I mentioned some yesterday, and one mumu said I typed a lengthy post on just sci-fi.

As usual, Oyinbo people with many intelligent people will come and learn these mysteries from Africa again, develop and package them and sell them back to Africans again.

And Africans will shell out thousands and millions of dollars to buy the scientific heritage of their own forefathers.

That time, the mumu African Muslims and Christians won't call it demonic and evil then because the technology will bear one "fancy" English name. It's all packaging and branding.

Ifa is taught in some schools overseas for reasons like this. The Oyinbo people are very wise.

One way or the other, all these big players going to Saudi will improve their economy and have a ripple effect on other key sectors.

But their slaves in Africa that call themselves Muslims can keep promoting Allah, the ancestor of the Arabs, which they worship ignorantly as God, and Muhammad, the Arabs' forefather, while demonizing their own ancestor and forefathers.

When you help the Arabs develop their country finish and they become a global power, which is their aim with Islam and for bringing big players to their country, you can travel to Saudi and tell them Olorun is the same as Allah.

I'm sure they'll welcome you into their country with open arms and allocate your own land to you, as an indigene, lols

Africans can't even become a citizen in Saudi Arabia, lols. Some people really mumu

akwesenana:
I believe this current influx of players to the Saudi Pro League started with Ronaldo and not due to some highly intelligent blah blah blah cultural blah.

Lols, so Ronaldo went there to pick beans abi. Why he no join the Nigerian league?

If the Arabs didn't develop their economy and culture using both scrupulous means (their crude oil) and unscrupulous means (such as exporting their religion to other countries using violence, trade, and slavery), you think they will have the financial resources to attract some of the best players on the planet to their country?

Anyway, let me help you with the answer of the typical African to that question: "god (Allah) really blessed the Arabs a lot". But the belief that it's god, who develops societies, is mostly prevalent in Africa for obvious reasons.

If the people of a country don't think critically and work their socks off, their country will be backward like most of those in Africa.

It's humans, especially highly intelligent ones, that develop societies and cultures, not a god.

OasisX:
Saûdi Arâbia League don farm well well

This is why the Arab people and other highly intelligent peoples around the world don't joke with their ancestors, forefathers, and cultures, unlike a majority of Africans.

As a human and African, the benefits of promoting good aspects of your native culture and traditions, while condemning the bad aspects, are enormous.

LordReed:
I'm Edo.

Okay

LordReed:
Guess.

I don't know o. Over the years, I've always thought you were Igbo. But now that I think about it, I can't really remember where that idea came from sef

I don get monitoring spirit on this thread wey dey help me count the number of paragraphs, words, and characters in my posts,

LordReed:
LoLz. I am not Igbo.

Lols, are you serious? I've always thought you were Igbo in close to 15 years I've known you here. What tribe then?

LordReed:
Wait o are you asking because I mixed igbo with yoruba?

No, because I know you're an Igbo guy. So, I was surprised to see you speak Yoruba.

LordReed:
Google Translate.

Okay

LordReed:
Bros biko maṣe binu.

Where you learn Yoruba? Lols

This is quite impressive: https://fb.watch/mVCFxi40gi/?mibextid=Nif5oz

In the recently concluded competition on Science in Yoruba organized by the hosts of the online platform Sáyensì in Yorùbá, that Muslim woman in the video above came second and won a cash prize of 25,000 naira.

Even with her full niqab, it's commendable she didn't allow her servitude to the Arabs to prevent her from learning her native language.

The contestant that came first, a guy, won 100,000 or 50,000 naira. I can't remember the exact amount now.

The Muslim lady spoke the Yoruba language eloquently and stated various ways she's benefitted from the platform, which was created by US-based associate professor of Linguistics, Taofeek Adebayo.

Láìsì ání ání, èdè Yorùbá ínu Ìṣẹ̀ṣè rẹwa púpọ, meaning, "Without a shred of doubt, Yoruba language, an element of Isese, the totality of Yoruba culture and traditions, is very beautiful."

You see highly intelligent kids in China and Japan engaging in STEM in their native languages, combining the scientific feats of their ancestors and forefathers as codified in the Chinese and Japanese cultures and traditions with modern scientific methods.

They apply this knowledge in building various gadgets and use it to move their societies forward. But instead of Africans to embark on similar projects on the continent to develop Africa, it's silly religions they waste time in, worshipping their fellow humans.

They must wait for the Chinese, the Japanese, the Germans to invent and build things and sell to them. But nature has provided each continent with all that's needed to sustain the inhabitants there, who are elements of nature.

And when you say the average IQ of a typical African is the lowest in the world in modern times, they'd be contesting a glaring fact.

Even the things nature has gifted Africans with, right in their environment there, right under the earth they're walking on, they must wait for the Chinese, Japanese, the Americans to discover those things for them and develop those things and sell the inventions or products to Africans again.

We lead life using intelligence and good use of the brain, which will allow us to solve the myriad problems nature throws at us, not by worshipping sky daddies and wasting time in prayers, which are mostly ineffective because they're mere wishes.

He don even help me count the number of paragraphs in the post, Abeg how many words and characters are in it? Lols

Some people are irredeemably stupid and dull. I wrote a thesis directed to the intelligent few with a working brain, a dolt who's obviously mentally infirm is saying nonsense.

You want to challenge a topic you don't even know the basics about. This one calls himself an educated person, yet he can't use the Internet to cure his ignorance and see various modern-day technologies that once existed in sci-fi movies.

My posts are lengthy and sci-fi, yet the Aro patient can't do without reading them. Lols

Telekinesis in Ancient Africa: The Case Study of Jagun Jagun

I rewatched thespian Femi Adebayo's masterpiece in film creation, "Jagun Jagun", for my research works. I aimed to analyze many elements of Isese, the totality of Yoruba culture and traditions, in the film but from the physical approach due to my field of study, Physics.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InNrl2-tl58

The movie's intro starts by eulogizing certain elements of nature as perceived by the ancestors and forefathers of Africa in the ancient world, especially Tem, Olorun, Orunmila, and Ifa:

Óóju ọjọ sán án; ọ̀ọ̀yẹ̀ lágbòò ò...
("The day breaks..." )

I used the word, "eulogize" here because those entities mentioned above, who are some of the greatest past scientists of Africa, did not see nature, or any of its elements (such as air, fire, water, matter, light, and tons and tons of others) as mere inanimate objects, the way modern humans do, but as energy and consciousness.

They regarded them as what Yoruba people call, "nkan abemi", "living things". The primary reason for this is the natural ability of these higher beings, which many people worship ignorantly today as God, to see and interact with a wide range of segments of the electromagnetic spectrum, which the modern humans and their instruments cannot see/detect at the moment.

The approach of viewing all things in nature and the universe this way actually has tons and tons of applications, across all fields of science and non-science. This is a major reason why the past humans could establish towns, cities, nations, and continents.

Some of these great past Africans even used this knowledge and related ones to build planets, stars, and suns mimicking those that evolved naturally from cosmic dust and the likes, just like they designed animals, humans, plants, microbes, etc. using similar mimetic techniques.

When our forefathers that were molded by people like Tem, Olorun, Chukwu, Orunmila, Oghene, and others saw some of the feats of these gods, they thought they were God and supernatural beings because of the latters' advanced African science and technology.

Thus, they associated various elements of nature which the past beings specialized in to describe and deify them. This is why Sango is called the god of thunder, with Amadioha of the Igbos also worshipped as the god of thunder (both of the gods actually had the same temperament while on Earth), and Ogun is referred to as the god of war and iron.

In different parts of that movie, various aspects of ancient African science and technology could be seen. The one I want to talk about now is telekinesis or moving matter with the mind:

According to Webster's dictionary, "telekinesis is the production of motion in objects (as by a spiritualistic medium) without contact or other physical means". In simple terms, it involves moving things with the mind, which many of us would have seen in sci-fi.

But they were actual technologies of the past extinct human eras, which the gods used for healthcare, sports, wars, and other areas in ancient Africa. In "Jagun Jagun", popular actor Kola Ajeyemi, who is Toyin Abraham's current husband, could be seen doing telekinesis, summoning and moving a certain aspect of nature, fire, with his mind.

He could be seen communicating with the element, fire, by rendering the panegyrics of Sango, a past human, worshipped by Yoruba people as the god of thunder. (Unlike Gbotija that could communicate with trees, another element of nature.)

Sango Olukoso was a past Yoruba man, who knew the "name" that "fire" bears. During his time on Earth, he knew some codes (called "ofo" in Yoruba or "incantations" ) that once uttered could change the frequency of vibration of those waves emanating from his brain, the seat of consciousness, and put these waves in phase with those of the core energy of "fire" that has its own discrete range of vibrational frequencies.

When this change in the frequency of his brain waves was achieved, he could establish communication with fire. This allowed him to summon fire from thin air, and communicate with it to render some assistance to him. (Even as modern humans, there are some codes (words) you'd hear that would have an instantaneous effect on your brain, where your soul/consciousness resides.)

Sango used this technology a lot in wars and won various battles in the ancient Yorubaland and its environs. Thus, he was deified for his historic feats and worshipped as the god of thunder by the native Yoruba people in generations over generations.

Kola Ajeyemi could be seen in "Jagun Jagun" summoning fire and moving it with his mind as Sango used to do in the pre-Homo Erectus and Homo Erectus eras, a feat that made him write his name on the sands of time.

However, the panegyric Kola recited in the movie is just the one for Sango, who knew the actual code for this kind of communication and telekinesis and kept that knowledge secret from most people of his time. He later died with the knowledge.

In the future, some people will discover the laws of nature guiding this technology of the ancient world and use them to create inventions for healthcare, sports, manufacturing, and military.

Gbotija also did a similar kind of communication by talking to some trees to render some assistance to him in what seemed like magical or supernatural feats to us, the viewers.

But it is scientific. There are certain key fundamental principles about nature that the past African scientists knew, which modern scientists are yet to discover.

Fortunately, modern physicists are making key progress in this direction. For instance, if the NASA scientists I mentioned the other day actually successfully develop the Periodic Table of Life (PeTaL) well and combine it with some other models of Physics, especially the physics of the telekinetic feats in "Jagun Jagun", a lot of advanced technologies will be built.

Importantly, present-day African scientists need to study African cultures and traditions and expose the many claims of supernatural/spiritual feats in myths and fables around to scientific scrutiny. In some of those stories are embedded advanced technologies of past Africans, whose knowledge had long been dead and buried.

By developing and engaging in STEM in the native languages and combining modern science with the past African science and technology, modern-day African scientists can make key unique contributions to science and technology.

In summary, for science and technology to develop in Africa and for the continent to move forward, modern Africans need to look inward, go back to their roots, and see the world through the lens of the great African scientists of the past and also using modern scientific methods.

Victor Osimhen making Edo people and Nigeria proud.

Make the jobless guy help me count the numbers of words in my post as well. When you're done, you can also count the number of characters. Some posts with key information are intentionally made lengthy to dissuade mentally lazy people from mentioning me unnecessarily. Reading is one thing such people hate.

About the PTET ruling, I'm not really following that one keenly. I don't see what would make the outcome different from the past ones.

airmark:
I don't really have the strength for back and forth on religion.

What I found out was, your bias is based on what were revealed to you on the surface and won't knock you further for that.

Don't forget to tag me, when you bounce out and become 'straight' Atheist.

Lols, you're funny. I should keep on knocking on the doors of Yahweh, the ancestor of the whites, who seeks to conquer Africa and rule over the continent while destroying the achievements and feats of his mates that founded Africa.

Or it's Allah, the ancestor of the Arabs that has the same objective I should be knocking on his doors?

If the two past humans, Allah and Yahweh, actually observe the philosophy of "live and let live", which their mates and contemporaries such as Olorun of the Yorubas, Chukwu of the Igbos, Osanobua/Oghene of the Ijaw/Edo people, and Atum of the ancient Egyptians live by, the world would actually been much better and safer for us all.

But you've two demonic, greedy entities from Arabia and Israel that want the whole world to be theirs and have slaughtered millions to rule over a substantial part of the planet.

Each of them wants to rule over the whole Earth and destroy the cultures of the other continents, established by their mates. When you destroy the culture of a people, you've destroyed that people or continent. That ideology is at the very extreme opposite end of the "live and let live philosophy" you said, which every sane person should follow.

Check the world map highlighting (picture attached) demographics like religion, that portion of the world population you see that observes Islam, around 23% of the world's population is the percentage of the planet that Allah, a past human, rules over at least in modern times, while Jehovah, another past human, rules over around 31% of the globe at least.

Obviously, their spheres of influence are larger than these. Combined, they both rule over and exercise a sphere of influence on over 50% of the world's population.

(That data is a bit old, and the figures would be different now, but they give a rough picture of the distribution of world's population by religion.)

How did the two gods achieve this feat, where billions of humans have worshipped, and have been worshipping them over the last circa 1400 years or 2000 years respectively?

Through the use of violence and invasions. The scale of this violence is bigger than what you can imagine.

The violence of your god or the Muslim god during their time on Earth was on a massive scale: They'd wipe out a whole city or whole civilizations of thousands of people from other continents who refuse to worship them and turn their back on their ancestors, who established their continent or land.

Some of those tales in the Bible and Qur'an, where Allah and Yahweh would boast they destroyed civilizations and brought them to ruins, were actual past events.

Over time, each of Allah and Yahweh has murdered millions of humans, pagans, atheists, agnostics, heretics, and LGBT folks.

When you know the history of these two past humans, they're an exact definition of what we humans call demons in the modern world or even in the old worlds.

The weight of these two past humans on humanity is huge and is a massive stumbling block to the development of science and technology on this planet, limiting the development of humanity and Earth.

Now if you check that section, "unaffiliated" on the charts, which are for freethinkers and other irreligious people, those people have a key role to play in development of science and technology in this planet.

That's one of the reasons why Yahweh and Allah's contemporaries, who founded the other continents of the world except Asia and Europe that both Yahweh and Allah established with some of the other past humans, gave the Otem guy histories of the planet.

They aim for that section of the map of freethinkers and irreligious people to grow because it's thinkers that develop planets. So, naturally, a physicist like me would support the guy.

If you don't see anything wrong in the havoc and atrocities that Yahweh, the past human, who you worship as God, or Allah, caused and keep causing with their religions in Africa and other continents, established by his contemporaries, then something is seriously wrong with your moral compass. Sorry to say.

What I just explained here is the origin of corruption in the world. Yahweh and Allah themselves are the origin of corruption as they used to travel to other continents of the world to conquer and steal other people's lands and heritage and corrupt their cultural heritage.

Fulani herdsmen/land grabbers and the colonial masters actually follow/followed their footsteps when the two gods were on Earth, and obviously they wield the philosophies of Allah and Jehovah, which are Islam and Christianity respectively, as weapons to wreck havoc on other peoples and conquer and enslave them.

About your last sentence, my position about God is agnosticism, which can lean toward atheism, deism, or theism, depending on your argument for what or who you see as God.

If you actually know what agnosticism is, that should be easy to understand.

Spy360:
You should thank and acknowledge me for the bolded

Lols, why should I? Have you seen me on this forum where I told anyone I'm an atheist at any specific time? Since leaving religion around 8 years ago, I've never been a pure atheist. Don't mistake my support for atheists, who are fellow freethinkers like me, to mean I'm an atheist.

airmark:
Hahaha, I wasn't ready for this now. I need to find something to eat before reading. 😄

You can ignore it if you wish.

Human life is very cheap in Nigeria. While many inmates in Nigerian prisons were jailed for crimes they actually committed, some inmates were jailed or remanded wrongfully.

For the latter case, there have been a series of examples of people that were remanded or jailed unjustly, who regained their freedom, and their time in prison actually assisted them in achieving greatness later in life.

Wole Soyinka is a good example. When you visit Nigerian prisons, you hear different stories.

If some people weren't remanded or jailed, they could actually have died if they were free.

Sometimes, what a person sees as bad is not, and the converse is also true.

Funny enough, even some people, who think they're free because they're not in prison, are even in a much worse cage, the mental type, than those in a correctional center.

Nevertheless, crime doesn't pay, and for those scheming, plotting, and planning the downfall of others or how to defraud others, may the forces of the Universe make them "use their head to carry their evil plans", or nature or the law will catch up with them.

Oasis003:
I guess they're still showing at Cinemas.

Okay, thanks. I'd be on the lookout for their release dates.

Oasis003:
Orisa and Kesari, have you seen any of it?

I've not seen any of those. Are they out?

airmark:
Cool story.

However, since you haven't gone deeper into Ifa, Ogun etc, to understand what scared some people away from them to embrace foreign religions, why can't you cease criticizing them and go deeper first?

I believe you know Ogun is hailed by: ... O lomi nile f'eje we (..one with water at home but prefers to bath with blood). Ogun worshippers don't see anything wrong in that, but some members of other faiths may see it as filthy and devilish.

Summarily, live and let live, as what you carry gorgeously as the best, may be battered from the other side, and you are left for a fool. Mind you, I am not against any faith or belief.

Lols, very funny. You don't even know the level of research I did on the history of religions, both local and foreign, before embracing irreligion, specifically agnosticism.

Ogun was a great human, a fiercesome Yoruba warrior. He had many good sides and various bad sides as well. But compared with Allah or Jehovah, Ogun was actually a saint.

The problem of those Africans that practice the Abrahamic religions is that they don't check things in detail before accepting them as true.

That's a key sign of low intelligence.

When the colonialists came, the Africans were brainwashed and ran from Ogun because of his fiercesome attributes and bad sides and went to embrace another past human that calls himself God, who's even a thousand times worse.

They left their forefather that they think is bad for another person that's a demon, pure evil.

They judge Ogun wrongly and unfairly using the standards of the modern world but their low IQ and mental weakness won't allow them to hold Allah or Yahweh, Ogun's contemporaries, to the same standards they hold Ogun.

But Ogun was a celebrated warrior in his time and made key developments that advanced his people and culture. Hence, he was deified for his historic feats.

Many things he did in his time were lawful in that era. But they're not today.

Anyone that holds Allah and Yahweh to the same standards they use to judge Ogun, Sango, Esu will gladly embrace the latter set who are his ancestors, his roots.

This is because those last three are actually saints when compared with Allah and Yahweh, who're demons, pure evil.

I looked at all these gods critically and discovered that many of the local gods are relatively better and more humane compared with the foreign gods, their mates.

That's why anyone that calls me Omo Eshu (Eshu's child), Omo Ogun (Ogun's child), or Omo Sango (Sango's child) or elebo (pagan), I'd just tell them, "I'd rather be called any of those than having anything to do with demons from Arabia or Isreal."

And historically, those titles apply to all Yorubas.

Even so, highly intelligent people don't worship Ogun, Sango, and the likes in modern times again. What's the gain in that? Where were Ogun, Sango, and the likes when the invaders, colonialists, and slave masters came?

But if I see any African worshipping any of their African ancestors, I actually commend them for their intelligence and courage, but I just urge them to modernize their spirituality and put more emphasis on critical thinking, philosophy, and science and less attention on worshipping and making sacrifices to a deity.

They should adopt a science-based approach to spirituality.

I don't have much issues with those ones. But Christianity and Islam are huge threats to Africa.

Both of them seek to destroy Africa, but the founders of the continent won't allow them, which is why the pillars of support of both religions have been cut off using science and technology.

The guy that's talking about abolishing African cultures and traditions is very ignorant and naive.

He thinks those cultures and traditions he sees around in Africa created themselves, but they were designed by some past humans, who are their guardians.

When Africa was colonized and enslaved, that happened because some past African ancestors actually lost the battle in the unphysical realms, which religious people call spiritual realms, to the European and Arab ancestors.

(The physical realms we see with our two eyes are actually a picture or projection of the unphysical realms. Otem and Plato explained this deeply. No time to go into that now.)

However, the reverse is the case now, and the pillars of support of those two religions from Europe and Arabia have been cut off. In the coming years, science and technology will keep growing and growing and human brains will evolve.

That's bad news for Allah and Yahweh, who are the pillars of support of Arabia and Israel and some parts of Europe respectively.

So, the death of Islam and Christianity is only a matter of time. They'd soon get a taste of what ATR suffered.