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azpeculiar: I have also seen a player score 2 goals for the winning side and not get a single bonus point! Check Defoe's points against Reading in GW 4. The criteria for awarding it is not bullshit. The PPI emphasizes STATS and not just goals. The obvious reason Michu didn't get any bonus point was because too many of his shots were off-target. Period!

azpeculiar: I have also seen a player score 2 goals for the winning side and not get a single bonus point! Check Defoe's points against Reading in GW 4. The criteria for awarding it is not bullshit. The PPI emphasizes STATS and not just goals. The obvious reason Michu didn't get any bonus point was because too many of his shots were off-target. Period!

r231: Crazy team, crazy coach, no defence

I stopped watching them cus I knw they will lose anyways

pendusky: When was ur first world that u ever watch and i wil tell that What is interesting is that every time
one of Muller’s records is broken,
all the praise and adulation go to whoever breaks the record. Almost no one seems to pay attention to the fact that there
must be something special about the mysterious German striker
who looks like he holds all of the game’s goal-scoring records.
There is no doubt that Gerd Muller is one of the most underrated players in the history of football. When we remember the 1970′s, we recall Brazil’s memorable world cup campaign in Mexico70,
Holland’s total football or Panenka’s tournament winning penalty kick in Euro76. When we think of German football,
we pay tribute to the likes of Franz
Beckenbauer, Paul Breitner or Uli
Hoenes. However, we almost never think of the man who,almost single-handedly, placed Bayern Munich and West
Germany at the top of European
football for an entire decade. If goals were football’s only currency, Muller would be the
game’s rightful God. As Messi’s 86th goal brings Muller’s name
back to theheadlines, it is
important to pay tribute to the German striker for what he truly was: an unstoppable goal-scoring machine... Lets judge with dat!

dayokanu: Look no further than this

https://cdn.eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Defoe.png

Torres Michu and Suarez have the highest number of minutes and starts Yet Torres has the lowest clear cut chance conversion among those 3

Torres has the worst minute per goal of all the strikers compared, Tied for the least shot on target with Giroud, , Has the lowest shots off target (What we have been saying Torres is too timid to take shots) The worst min/per shots on target

nateevs: Thank you. This proves my exact point that you don't have any stats to hand. You are basically regurgitating what others say. You are pulling up stats from mid-way last season to firstly prove a whole season's point and secondly to prove this season's point.

nateevs: Secondly, you are pulling up stats that put "ALL OF CHELSEA's strikers" in the same category and using that same stat to beat "ONLY TORRES". Can you see how silly that is? Even though Anelka and Drogba have more minutes per goal than Torres.

nateevs: Sturridge did not play as a centre man. As a centre man, the area is more crowded. Sturridge didn't have to make a run for a chance, he was THE CHANCE. He and Mata had more possession of the ball in the final third and that's why you will find conversions ratio for Sturridge higher than Torres' . . To prove my point, what's Kalou's conversion ratio? Where did he play?

nateevs: However, let me oblige you on this one.
So lastly, you cannot prove this point without the all important index - "NUMBER OF CHANCES CREATED". It is only with this index can we actually conclude on how poor a striker really is. This is where you have provided half baked analysis to prove a weak point.

nateevs: What's the focus of this big argument once again? The Chelsea midfield does not create enough chances.
And you think I am lying? What's even more silly about your defence is that if we had access to the number of minutes played by each striker, it defines the stats even further. However, I will use the minutes per goal stat.


RVP minutes per goal - 90mins
Torres min per goal - 322mins.

nateevs: EDIT: My calculations were wrong.

nateevs: Taking chances created into cognisance, this reveals that Arsenal created 0.67 chances every 90mins for RVP alone. You know what Torres's one is? 0.0559 chances every 322mins or 0.0159 chances for Torres every 90mins.*** And you want Torres to be prolific. You guys have no idea what you are talking about.

You guys have a lot to prove.

nateevs: Oh Coogar you spoke too soon. The stats I am asking them to find is a proper nail to the cross.
In revealing that, several other things will be revealed.

That's the reason they won't find the stats. I await the responses.

debosky: As many as Roman Abramovich is willing to give him. Why peeps dey vex? Is it your money?

Hehehe. . .I told y'all Torres isn't a mere mortal - na only Baba God wey fit talk say a day is like a thousand years.

nateevs: Your whole post boils down to this. Low conversion rate my yansh! I am supposed to take this because you said it right? This is another of the long list of "unproven beliefs". Give us the stats of the number of chances that Torres has against conversion. This is the annoying thing about it all, you probably have never seen the stats before but you are confidently regurgitating what others have said. This is like the millionth thing you saying without back up.
Find the stats. Let's compare to other strikers, only then can you confirm that it is low. Before that, I am not following the gullible and swallowing what you have to say without proof.
Once again, you are the one who remains wrong until you can back up your claims.

Oya show us the stats.

Gaggi: This A40 dey make too much sense even as he is not a Chelsea fan. O boy take a drag frm my blunt.

debosky: Agreed, but they are both strikers who should be given certain allowances is all I'm saying which should include missing the occasional sitter. I'm not disputing that Torres has underperformed.

debosky: What I'm talking about is giving a player a fresh start. Yes it's another of many, but given that he is the highest paid striker who isn't going anywhere soon, it's worth giving him that fresh start.

debosky: I said a couple of games as you noted - I never said anyone should be quiet 'for months'.

Homar: 11 points clear the table ! Dancing azonto and kukere on 20th i pray madrid will be the next to be axed into two by us . Mia San Mia .

siddiq202: Cuz swansea lost

debosky: Na wa for una - all strikers go through barren runs, but I'm sure the moment Torres doesn't score for a couple of games, y'all will be all over him like white on rice. Torres can't win with NL Chelski fans.

As for missing open goals - RVP yakubued a decent chance two weeks ago but wasn't constantly lampooned for it. E saanu aje.

lalaboi: they must be stooopiiiid..

nateevs: If that's the same question that A-40 is asking, then I will answer it in one go.



It was almost written in the stars that Torres will score a goal yesterday.

nateevs: However that feeling did not come about from yesterday morning.
It started from Benitez's first game

nateevs: and manifested in the West Ham game even though we lost.
The method of attack began to take shape. One vertical quick release by Moses at about the 30 yard line freed Torres on to the right on the 18 and a reverse pass found Mata. (For the sake of analysis, it was in the exact position Sturridge was in the screen shots I was analysing with you the other day. This time Moses passed)
Against Nordsjaelland, the same occurred, as evidenced by Torres' first goal. A well-timed, quick release for Torres that isolated him on goal after a brilliant run..

nateevs: You could see how lively Torres was. It was evident the team was playing to get him scoring and when you make your striker feel that way, they get confidence

nateevs: This confidence is what gets them trying other things. Like seizing the initiative to take the penalty. Do you think Torres would have done so had he not 3 goals on the bounce?


This has always been the premise of my posts. Create chances, play to your strikers' strength and they will get goals. When they get goals, they become confident to try other things. Confidence doesn't come before goals. If anything, it's a result of goals.

nateevs: So do I need to prove any other thing to you? NO! On the contrary, you should prove to me that I am wrong and that the chances have always been created but Torres runs into blind alleys. You have no proof. No single one of you can prove it. Instead, you tell me it's what you see every weekend and I am supposed to buy that?

nateevs: I cannot respond to all that has been said as don't have the time.
However, I will start from here. What question do you want me to answer?

dayokanu: You dey mind them?

I have been asking how many of the goals he scored yesterday came from vertical balls? And what did the midfielders do differently to enable him score?

The solution to Torres problems is with Torres. e.g the first goal, Hazard would still cross into those spaces, its left for him to anticipate and attack the ball

The second goal, Was it the midfielders who told him to fight to take the Penalty? was it the coach who told him to take the initiative and demand for the ball? which he didnt do on Wednesday?

Same with for the 3rd goal.

The Chelsea midfield creates enough for any striker who cares . Hazard and Mata probably have 12 assists between them now. Any striker should be benefitting from that

Ibime: What won't we hear from these troglodytes.

"We spent two years telling you Torres is an extremely limited player who only thrive on vertical passes"

Clap for yourself. Exactly why that guy is rubbish.

Although he wasn't so limited last year, they were busy telling us he's a better SHAPE KEEPER.

BTW, what happens in the tight matches where the opposition sit in their half giving you no space for "vertical passes"

Please get me striker than take short passes, long passes, passes in behind, in the air, that can control the ball with his back to defenders, and that can outmuscle niggas to score. Not these vertical niggas that these emotional guys who love the peroxide blond weakling more than their club are yarning shyte about.

So far as one is concerned, Nordsjaelland and Sunderland are as open as Ireland. It's the same way the weakling took golden boot without contributing anything substantial to Spain at Euros. He'll soon be flopping again when there's no space to play and these emotional ninjas will abandon him again, only to resurface when he scores hattrick against Blackpool or some other open side in FA Cup.

We know those who contribute and those who get carried. All real Chelsea fans want the liability out the team cos they remember strikers who made key differences in the main games winning titles like "King of Wembley" and contributing in almost every big game Chelsea played not extremely limited weaklings whose lovers make excuse for two years straight to tell us how limited he is.

nateevs: I am really struggling to know why you guys are asking me this question. Why should I show you that the goals he's scored were laid on a plate for him? Have I or Coogar said anywhere or any place at all, that the only kind of goals Torres can score are ones were he's "isolated with the last defender"?

nateevs: You guys love to shift the goal post don't you? Our argument has been consistent and based on the fact that chances need to be created. We've built our argument over the years on the number of chances created per game. Only a few games back, Chelsea created ONLY TWO chances for Torres. Some of you were asking why he didn't score from them? In 2010, 2011, I spent a better part of the season showing pictorial analyses of how many passes were reaching the box which in turns translated to chances. We've maintained one point of view. Just one.

nateevs: On the contrary, you guys said all this.

1. Torres is overrated
2. Torres is shit
3. Torres is a limited player
4. Torres does not make the right runs
5. The passes have always been there
6. Torres does not attack the ball
7. He has MaZaCar so he should score.

nateevs: The new ones now are

1. He was never attacking the ball
2. He needed to be confident. Now he's taking penalties.

nateevs: As though "confidence" is like a box of goodies you can buy at a convenience store. When you create a flurry of chances, your strikers get goals. When they get goals, they become confident. Simple resultant effect. We've always stated that. If anything at all, it's you guys who have always moved the post for convenience because it's easy.

nateevs: After appointing Rafa, he, just like we have over the years, said that Torres is a brilliant player at playing in between the lines. Those who are close to training will tell you the focus and style of play is now aimed at playing vertically. I have noticed this when we play. However, when I said I see an increase in the number of vertical passes, one of you says ain't nothing changed.

nateevs: We have spent eternity backing up our claims with empirical and visual data. On the contrary, all you guys do is talk. We are supposed to believe what you say because you have said it. No proof, no back up. If Torres' running into blind alleys is as frequent as night and day, it should not take you long to prove.

roymary: Nope, Manny still got good game.I won't advice hanging his glove. He was not slick like he used to be and mostly unlucky last night. F-ing ran into the damn punch that KOed him.

cold: ,
This is the sad truth.All boxers have their bad days,even the greatest boxers to step into the ring have kissed the canvas at one time or another. Nonetheless,Marquez still deserves credit for proving to the world he's a tough nut to crack. In some of their previous bouts i could have swore he was cheated out of the fight. Kudos to him & Pacmam,better go get your act together. You can't be a clergy,a politician and a boxer all at the same time.

Roland17: A Roseless bulls, were able to protect the perimeter, they stifled every three point attempt by the Knicks and what happened? as usual they faltered, no go player to the rescue, 8 in 23 three point shooting night, they were not able to even score 90 points.

Roland17: No doubt Durant is King in OKC, but Westbrook and K. Martin are proven shooters as well, we have seen Westbrook take over games despite huge criticism, he's more athletic, consistent and a better jump shooter than any Knick with the Exception of Melo.

Roland17: Am not contesting the fact they have a deeper bench, but for those hoping Amare's return would make them better are only joking, he's definitely not a good fit for that team.