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People bashing the writer are sick in the head! When MMM finally crashes and people start committing suicides, shouldn't we feel guilty as a society that we didn't do all our best to warn against their risky behavior? Be your neighbor's keeper, SAVE A LIFE!!!

AkinPhysicist:
Thank you for your reasonable response. I also know that the vast majority of Muslims are not involved in terrorism - and shame to those that impugn all Muslims because of the actions of a few. However, there are some issues that arise in connection with the scriptures. So, could you shed light on the parts of the scriptures that call for the killing of unbelievers? This is one of the ways terrorists are radicalized - by showing them that the scriptures agree with it. Once again, thank you.

Friend why don't you pick up an English translated version of the Quran and confirm for yourself, this would be much easier than taking the word of strangers on the internet. The problem with many terrorist is that they take words in the Bible and the Quran too literal. Just because somethings applies in the old days does not mean it is applicable now. As humans most of us have deviated from the true purpose of religion, it's just unfortunate that history has repeated itself, back in the 11th and 12th centuries it was interpretation of Christianity that was creating Chaos now it's Islam's turn.

To truly get rid of terrorism, we need to understand what is in both books and educate people properly on situational analysis, even pastors and imams(Ones that are still sensible) knows that God/Allah is capable of fighting for himself.

limamintruth:
Funny enough you were the one who authoritatively stated in your prev. post that
"Majority of Northerners and their sick ideology(Notice I didn't use the word 'Muslims' because religion has never been the problem but INTERPRETATION." Hence, my first question stemmed from your assertion that the problem is as a result of misinterpretation of religion. But you deliberately failed to mention WHO are those that are misinterpreting WHAT religion? The likes of BokoHaram and Fulani marauders can be said to be misinterpreting WHAT religion?? Because as far as Nigeria is concerned, this are the primary security challenges bedevilling the north, from north east - north central - north west.

Secondly, self defense has always been the right of every human being. Thus, whether or not CAN directs Christians to protect their lives at all cost doesn't in any way negate the fact that CAN is only reminding Christians of their fundamental right to self defense from these Islamists who constantly invade their communities at night and maim their hapless families in great numbers. No individual can sit back silently and constantly watch strangers cause havoc to his household without doing something to defend his people.
And in case you don't know, self defense is a good defense for murder under our penal code & criminal code i.e to say, if you invade my house with the intent to kill me or cause me harm, I have every right to kill you first because you are the uninvited invader. Thus, CAN only stated the obvious truth.

And without these communities coming together to defend themselves from these terrorists, these attacks will never stop; since the govt. clearly doesn't give a damn and the terrorists are enjoying their successes week by week.

You are still not getting it, perhaps you are deliberately ignoring reality? Religion has never been the problem rather the problem is pure greed and hatred with political influence. It's like an Igbo community choosing to protect themselves during the Biafran war while living in the Western region, ko le work! There is something called home advantage and majority usually overwhelms the minority. CAN can talk the talk but they can't walk the walk. Since the Muslim leaders in the North have chosen to turn a blind eye, what would it profit CAN to continue to anger the majority?

I just can't help but laugh, which communities are you talking about? The majority of Northerners see no problem with these killings, are you suggesting the minorities match them fire for fire? You do realize that for every Fulani that dies, they are willing to sacrifice 100 Christians? How then can such a battle be won? Without rescue from the government these people are doomed! This is my point and why I blame the North, CAN and the government for this tragedy!

davidif:
First of all, I think you mean The Art of the Deal not the "art of negotiation".

Secondly, if you think putting someone who is an enemy of public education in charge of education good policy then good for you.

Thirdly, if you hate deregulation so much why don't we get rid of the FDA, FDIC, SEC and the EPA. Let's go back to the 20's where the wealthy and the powerful can get away with alnost everything. Let's get rid of the clean air act after all breathable air and clean water is bad for business. Let's remove the checks and balances that were put in place in the 30's to prevent the excesses that wrecked the economy. I guess that will please you people.

They say those who refuse to learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them. Trump would be wise to learn from that but hey the man hardly reads books.

Another fallacy! Deregulation doesn't mean getting rid of them, it means reducing their power so that businesses can run as free enterprises. Go back and read about Jimmy Carter and his policies and why he is considered one of the worst presidents in U.S history in terms of economic policies. I'm done with you!

limamintruth:
And my response to you is:
1. Why Islam is the most widely mis-interpreted religion (by its followers) in matters relating to barbarity & savagery?

2. Its obvious you are ignorant of the fact that indigent northern communities exist from time immemorial till date. And CAN as a body, is there to protect the interests of all Christians from both the South and the North of Nigeria.
Rather its these worthless Islamic terrorists masquerading as 'fulani marauders' (& also referred to as fulanis from neighbouring countries to nig. by Gov. El-rufai himself) that are the actual aliens trying so hard to forcefully take over the lands of these Christian communities via their usual cowardly terrorist night attacks on the said communities.

The questions you should be asking are:
1. Why Nigerian Ulamas would shamelessly attempt to justify the cowardly killing of scores of hapless women & children, while the victims were innocently observing their night sleep?

2. Why these evil Ulamas would prefer to defend the actions of non-nigerian killers(as stated by the Gov. himself) of their fellow countrymen, rather than criticize the govt. for its failure to secure the lives of its citizens?

3. Why a sitting Gov. would chose to pay the same people he referred to as foreigners after they had killed scores of 'his' people in cold-blood, rather than ensuring their arrest and lawful prosecution?

4. Why Muslim clerics have all failed to commiserate with Christians for what these terrorists have done?

5. Why the fed. govt. has refused to address the excesses of these fulani marauders terrorizing christian communities nationwide; and also Why the fulanis are the only people allowed to move about well armed with dangerous weapons in Nigeria

Before you call someone ignorant you might want to chill and understand what is called a premise, if you actually took time to read what I wrote before rambling you would realize that our points are very similar. All your points are easily rebutted using 3 questions/statements of my own:

1. What evidence do you have that Islam is more misinterpreted than Christianity? Perhaps you are not a student of history or maybe you are just a product of modernization but check your history books and see where all the savagery and violence began.

2. What is CAN's usefulness? When you tell your members to protect themselves at all cost even if it means to lynch suspected Fulani herdsmen, this will surely not end well for the minority. In a place where the majority rules and the government is not willing to protect the minorities what makes you think we won't have a genocide?

Finally, this is not a religious problem, it is purely political! Someone mentioned religious rights under the Nigerian Constitution earlier but failed to understand there is no enforcement. In a situation where a certain group dominates a particular section of the country and are hell bent on wiping out the lesser group due to the nonchalant attitude and wickedness of the government, anyone that believes CAN will protect these people are obviously delusional!

There's nothing special here, just another fan showing love. She said Psquare not Peter or Paul, get it?

Dinocarex:
I totally stand against your opinions. In Nigeria constitution, there is right to practice any religion you so choose. Whether, I am in the North, South, East or West. Any religion I so choose to practice is my constitutional right. Whose background are they forming Landlord? If this same situation happened in Ibo land.. Would have said the same!!
Nigeria constitution is bigger than any religious law in this country. But its a shame, reverse is the case in this country!!

There's a difference between reality and wishful thinking. What you just wrote is wishful thinking. If you truly understood the dynamics of the North you would completely agree that there is just no way to defeat their ideology without the help of the government. In a country where justice jungle reigns, where the rich get away with stealing billions of Naira and the poor are jailed or lynched for stealing tomatoes; the reality is your Constitutional rights are only valuable on paper. This is the sad but bitter truth!

The furnished ones, what is included? Are you on whatsapp or bbm for serious discussion?

davidif:
Hahahaha, chei! You call Scott Pruitt (E.P.A), Rick Perry (Energy), Betsy Davos (Education) people of "tremendous experience"?!?! Hajahaha chai! Wetin person no go read for nairaland. Scott Pruitt has been a notable enemy of the EPA for years. The man even filed 14 lawsuits against the EPA during his term as the attorney general of the state of oklahoma. Rick Perry has also been an enemy of the dept of energy for years also. The man is even on record saying that the dept of energy to be done away with. And don't even get me started on Betsy Davos and Jay Clayton (SEC). Talk about putting the wolf in charge of the hen house.

He might not be the first flawed candidate but hopefully he is going to be the last ill tempered populist demagogue to ever run for office. Talk about someone not meeting the minimum threshold of temperament to even be qualified as the most powrful man in the world. But hey, he got elected. Just dont forget that the Nazi party too were voted into power and were embraced by the populace.

Such poor education! You might want to pick up Trump's book on the art of negotiation and realize why these picks are meant to champion deregulation, a concept many Americans especially business people like myself are so much in love with. Enough of that, now back to Trump. Where were you when Arnold became Governor or let's go backin history, have you ever heard of Nixon, Buchanan or Jackson? You've called him every name in the book and now he's Hitler, seems the liberal media are really good at educating you. Get that idea out of your head that America will never elect someone like Trump again, Americans are themost unpredictable set of people on the planet. Anyways, Trump is the president, he's going to be the president for the next 4years minimum so chill back and enjoy the ride

Nigeria's problem are two folds:

1. Majority of Northerners and their sick ideology(Notice I didn't use the word 'Muslims' because religion has never been the problem but interpretation. These people refuse to value the life of their fellow human beings.

2. CAN and their incessant lack of respect for other religions. Basically you do not go into another man's backyard and start forming landlord. CAN is basically jeopardizing the lives of Christians in the North, if you eventually fight force with force in the long run the Christians would lose out against the more physical and violent opposition.

In the end, a country without a credible and effective government will expose it's citizens to quagmire like this!

There is no business like church business, this is why on every street there is a church. I know a man who was selling bras, he came back from the village and all of a sudden started a church. Let's be honest, the church has lost its ways in Nigeria. I can understand not taxing the church if the schools built by these churches offered subsidized school fees, I could even understand if some certain overseers used the money they bought private jets with to create a free hospital or clinic but when the sweat and money of poor helpless citizens are collected as tithes or offerings and are then used to flaunt lavishly, they must STOP being treated like a non-profit organization and start paying taxes!

davidif:
Nope, the debate is that can a leader so fatally flawed as this one ever be great. Big difference. Not all flaws are equal and in leadership there is no flaw as bad as Trumps. The fact that some of you guys are not afraid that someone as thin skinned as this guy is the most powerful man in the world really makes me wonder how blind the people are.

First of all, in terms of national security you need a leader to be calm and restrained not a thin skinned loud mouth who is so easily provoked.

Secondly, you need a leader who is level headed and has a first rate temperament and who has the patience to work with his party and those on the other side of the aisle. Not someone who divides.

Finally, you should ask yourself why it is that someone with Trump's fatal character flaw has never been elected to the highest office in the land before? Do you think this man could ever be elected in 1932, 1980 and any other election in U.S history

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it, my opinion is that he is not the first flawed president and he won't be the last! He is the president and there's nothing you can do about it, so you can continue with your message of doom or give the man a chance to govern. With all his fatal flaws he defeated seasoned political opponents, with all his fatal flaws he picked those with tremendous experience to make up his cabinet and finally with all his fatal flaws he is putting America first once again, like I said greatness does not mean perfection as even flawed presidents have done some of the greatest things in U.S history!

davidif:
Yes, FDR had his flaws but he did not have the same temperament nor was he a demagogue as Donald Trump. How hard is that to understand? This is a man who is about to have the nuclear launch codes for goodness sakes. Gosh!


dem·a·gogue
deməˌɡäɡ/
noun

a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.
synonyms: rabble-rouser, agitator, political agitator, soapbox orator, firebrand, fomenter, provocateur
"he was drawn into a circle of campus demagogues"

I'm already getting tired of this! No one is comparing FDR's greatness to Trump, for goodness sake FDR is listed as one of the greatest. The debate is can a flawed president also be great? So far, you have not disproved my point that being flawed does not automatically make you a disastrous or unsuccessful president. So leave your definition to the side and argue based on facts! Election is over, Trump is the president, judge him after 4 years like every president!

davidif:
So FDR was a demagogue right? he attacked the press, he ran on assaulting women, he made fun of disabled people, and he threw tantrums to the press?

Like i said earlier, don't mention Trump in the same breath as F.D.R (who was also disabled).

Was FDR a great president? Yes! Was FDR flawed? Yes! So what's your argument again?

davidif:
Hahahaha, this guys were all imperfect but none of them had the incredible levels of character deficiency like Trump.
Can you imagine Washington being as thin skinned as Trump or Lincoln being as morally repugnant as Trump? And please do not mistake Teddy Roosevolts youthful energy and exuberance for Trumps erratic nature.

Finally, please do not EVER mention Trump in the same sentence with the great F.D.R who brought hope to his country when it was at its most dire, and who brought his country back from the brink.
This are people who united there country's during great trying times not populists demagogues who divide.

Why don't you go read the biography of this graat man and compare them to Donald Trump or as the Italians call him Berlusconi Americano.

Once again you are arguing based on emotions, FDR to some people was immoral and unethical, can you imagine being a descendant of one of the people he threw in concentration camps? My friend, if you can't disprove one of the facts I mentioned in my last post then this discussion is pointless. Why don't you leave governance to Trump and let history judge him after 4 years?

davidif:
Hahaha, a guy who he is so thin skinned is going to be the best president America ever had? This is a man who is so petty and subject to emotional outburst its not even funny and you think this man is going to be a great President hahaha chei!

I am sorry to tell you but a leader should always be calm and collected especially during crisis he should be able to reflect calmness and confidence. He should be able to show restraint in words and conduct and not lash out on Twitter whenever he is angry.

Secondly, the mans economic plan is a disaster. He says he is going to cut taxes and increase spending and you think that is a great economic idea? Hahajaha, chai! Nairalsnders sef, I tire for una.

Lastly, a President should be a man of integrity and should be ethical. This man says sooooooo many untruths it's not even funny. We have never seen this many flaws and failings in a candidate like this and you are comparing him to Reagan hahaha. Dude has so much history and flaws and not to tslk of his multiple conflicts of interest all over the world that he is not willing to disclose and you are hailing him? Wow! Just Wow!

Who are the greatest presidents in the history of the USA? Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Franklin Roosevelt.

What do they all have in common? All were greatly flawed! Washington was a poor military officer, owned slaves and was not good at negotiating. Lincoln ignored court orders, jailed editors and of course considered black people inferior. Roosevelt formed alliances with dictators, put Jewish Europeans including Americans in concentration camps and was a pathological lair!

My friend what you fail to understand is that not all great leaders are calm or politically correct. Theodore Roosevelt was a loud mouth bully but he brought America back to prominence and won a Nobel Peace Prize. Remember not all Nairalanders are equal, next time you want to argue your point argue based on facts and not emotions....thank you!

This is simple go through his contacts and see if there are any other contacts saved as soup or food, this is the only way you'll know whether he meant well or not E.g... Ewedu, Amala, Esiewu and so on

Everyone knows the news media in America is trash! CNN is the liberal propaganda tool catering to racial divide, homosexuals and other socialists views while Fox is conservative to the bone choosing to ignore anything race and instead focusing on religion, order and keeping the elites in charge. Trump is probably the best president America can ask for at this time, why?

1. One minute he's on the conservatives side the next he is liberal.

2. He's already RICH, he does not need the lobbyists.

3. As a businessman, he's going to implement policies aimed at reducing the disastrous 35% taxes on businesses in America. No other country in the world taxes above 25%.

It's been a long time America has had a president that was unpredictable, the last was Ronald Reagan and look what he did for the USA!

SmartMugu:
If we agree his action is morally wrong and legally okay, I'd dare him to do that publicly in the US where he once lived, preferably with his leashes on white women. Our next discussion about his matter will either be about his obituary or his prison terms.

Once again your premise is wrong, there is no law against freedom of expression! I'm based in the US and I've seen much worse all in the name of art. All you have to do is go to Las Vegas or downtown LA. He might get whacked by someone who is against what he did but in the eyes of the law there is nothing illegal!

SmartMugu:
Funny enough, he can't try that publicly in the US he came from without being arrested. No one does that. I think he's just immature and insane.
What message was he trying to pass?

Actually there is nothing illegal about what he did, it's just that Nigerians don't know their rights. In the USA worse things are being done and it is called art or freedom of expression. No lawyer, prosecutor or judge can argue a case against him legally but morally it is very wrong.

Yet another example of ignorance. What if the girls are willing participants? Are they getting paid? A competent court cannot convict such a person as I am eager to know which part of the Nigerian Constitution he violated, too bad he's a coward not willing to stand up for what he believes!

Still the same old sh*t! If you are still driving Toyota and Honda, you remain a BOY! Even the Kia Optima has been redesigned to give out the impression of luxury but the cone-heads of Toyota keeps coming up with ugly exterior especially the front....nonsense!

In the course of a marriage, guys are bound to experience a low libido at some point, ignorance and pride would not allow African guys to seek the proper treatment hence women it's up to you! I know of a girl back in school that went to her village in Osun to find correct herbs for her boyfriend because he was experiencing the same issue. Needless to say, they are married now and couldn't be happier. WOMAN if your husband treats you right financially, emotionally and spiritually and his shortcoming is the sexual aspect then you owe it to him to be there in his time of need. Stop thinking only about yourself and start looking at the bigger picture. Cheating will have devastating consequences on not only you but your children. It's time to earn the title of WIFEY and do what must be done to get him back on track, if he does not want to seek MODERN medical help then try TRADITIONAL, if he is not willing to try anything then involve your pastor or someone he respects!

Are you on whatsapp? I'm interested in chatting about this vehicle if still for sale.

happney65:
Lol..See Nigerians and their entitlement attitude..Who tells you wizkid so call chain cost big money?Who tells you it isn't fake and not original..Yeye..they have made donations too..And mind you he has being doing this alone for 5 years spending 500K every month..When you are in the shoes of the celebs too you will know better..

You obviously don't know Wizkid or any major celebs so your ignorance is permitted. Keep making excuses for cruelty, it's what Nigerians do best!

Aliyu333:
no be only stunt na gymnastic. They not donating doesn't make the issue false alarm. The man has been suffering from kidney for five years, and all you can do is say shit.

I'm sorry if it sounds like sh*t to you but if you don't like it just ignore and if you can't, you can go and f**k yourself!

happney65:
Bros no be so..They also have bills to.pay..They've got familes too..Alsoyou know how much fellow Nigerians collect from them on a daily basis?They are okay financially with lots of investments However they might not be able to boast of 50Million naira in cash at once..This is Nigeria and not America..They also save towards properties they buy..No be say them buy am at once..For example wizzy's house in California is to.be paid over a period of time...Na so he be..

Please stop this, do you know how much a Rolex and two of wizkid's chains cost? Wizkid alone could put up at least 5 to 10m, 2Face the same amount. Let them come out and say how much they've donated and then Nigerians would be eager to contribute. These celebs are buying Range Rove like pure water and yet can't save a life? Stop making excuse for pure cruelty!

The more I hear about this, the more I think it's a scam or publicity stunt. You mean to tell me 2Face, WizKid and so many celebs cannot contribute enough money to save this man's life? Are celebrities really so cruel towards each other....SHAME!

Why don't we just forgive all the scammers on Nairaland? I'm sure they must have repented.....ridiculous!

Toks2008:
OK daddy methusalah..I have heard you Mr global exposure. ..I wonder how many countries he don waka

All these nairaland children that has no respect for their elders calling me his kid..how old you be?

This is nairaland and not cediland or cefraland...now run off before I decend on you....

Kid stop rambling ignorantly, with all your typos I can't help but laugh. You might be a full grown adult and still be a kid in terms of global exposure; just saying!

Toks2008:
See as you carry bitterness enta 2017..

The most astonishing fact is that all you wrote has nada to do with the thread at all...

Oya Say after me..."My father my father...every spirit of incorehence in my life...die by fire"

Learn to read kid, it has everything to do with what you wrote. Women are not more vulnerable to deceit, increase your global exposure then come back and lecture me!

Rubbish thread, come overseas and see how the table has turned. More and more women are marrying for the riches and divorcing. So who is deceiving who? The only reason it looks more devastating in Nigeria is because most women still depend solely on their men for survival and society still keeps things balanced towards men.