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Lilimax:
Don't be deceived?
If you're a Nigeria Muslim, try applying for an American Visa then you'll know that President Trump is not smiling.

You are so backward thinking! I'ma Muslim, I'm a Nigerian and I'm also a U.S Citizen. I voted for Trump and I'm proud of it. If you had any clue how a real democracy works you would know people can't be deported or refused visas based on religion alone. Even the law that Trump signed only subjects certain Muslims to extreme vetting before they can be given visas, it does not ban them; educate yourself!

jhurney:
Jews dont worship allah though nd dey aren't terrorists..Wah am saying is dat muslims are violent, they love violence, compare martin luther king jnr with malcolm x.

You love picking out points that only favors your cause and this makes you just as dangerous as the terrorists. When you are ready for an adult discussion based on facts, holla at me!

jhurney:
so he killed muslims??
He killed jews!! Go read bou d holocaust...nd adolf hitler a xtian?..where did u see dat...christians have always been @ d receiving end of terrorists....jews worship God not Allah..

Stop saying sh*t, you are only confusing yourself more. The Jews called God HaShem or Adonai, the only people that use the word God are Christians and even at that they didn't use the word till the English translated version of the Bible. Hitler was a Christian true and true just like the KKK who killed blacks for fun!

nedu2000:
bros i cant buy an english koran off the shelf,you know this.i say english because that is the language i understand,the bible is in igbo,yoruba even arabic

Guy what are you using to view Nairaland, is it not a device and the internet? You can use the same thing to download an English version of the Koran off of the net, stop making excuses! If you want a hardcopy, it can be ordered and delivered to you so please spare me!

nedu2000:
many wont allow a mosque to be erected because they are afraid,france and belgium open their arms to muslims esp from francophone countries,how did that pan out?croatia and hungary that said no to them are safe.lets just call a spade a spade

Please don't come here with that bulls**t! More Christians have died in those countries by acts of other Christians than any Islamic terrorist attacks, in France and Belgium attacks didn't occur for over 100 years of tolerance why wait till now to fight for Islam? This shows you it'snot about Islam but a dangerous terror group motivated more by politics than religion! Just like Islam didn't cause 9/11 rather political ideology fueled by perceived injustice!

ollah1:
Indonesia



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Terrorist prone countries only.

nedu2000:
good,then why isnt the koran written in other languages so that we can all read and interprete,not for a few islamic clerics to use their knowledge of arabic to amass followers to do their bidding,as i said christianity has passed this level,there was a time the bible,kept in the ark of convenant could be touched let alone read by anyone,even in the dark ages only priests had bibles and interpreted it the way they like. You rarely see an english koran,and if found in the hands on an 'unbeliever' means death, the koran should be made open to the world it wont make it any less holy

Can you listen to yourself? Who told you English is superior to other languages? The Koran was revealed in a particular section of the world and Arabic was the language used there just like the original version of the Bible was written in Latin. When the Bible was translated to English a lot of things were left out and some things added. The same goes for the Torah, English is an invention of modernization nothing more! There are plenty of English translated version of the Koran, so what are you talking about?

You people are so full of ignorance, he is not banning every Muslim just those from countries with massive terror potentials like Yemen, Syria, Iraq but countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt with the largest Muslim population in the world are exempted.

nedu2000:
oh like france,belgium and germany isnt their place of operation. They obviously wont do so because they are outnumbered and the yorubas,easily the most accommodating in nigeria hasnt allowed any religion to supercede their culture like the hausas did. And i ask why cant i comfortably go to an islamic region and practice my belief without fear? Without fear that i won't be accused of being a blasphemer and stoned to death without trial or killed because i was preaching public

Same reason a Muslim cleric cannot go to the Vatican,build a mosque and start preaching Islam. Same reason why in certain parts of the USA, you cannot build a mosque no matter how influential you are, let's stop this deception that one religion is more violent or less tolerating than the other, it's all a lie!

nedu2000:
they quote the koran,use words like jihad and the likes,you sef judge am na,how do you expect a people to view islam

Same thing goes for Hitler, the KKK and the Holy Roman Catholic Church which was responsible for over 1 million deaths. You might call it ignorance or the dark age but remember ignorance does not discriminate,it is present in all religions. Ask most of those that are killing now in the name of Islam,ask them to read the Koran and they would start stuttering, the only reason you people think they are reciting the Koran is because most people don't know the difference between Hausa, Arabic and Koran readings.

Did I just see a cameraman? Even those that bought Range Rover did not invite media....lolz

2019: JOLLOF OR NOTHING

But wait o, was the Gambian president so desperate that he would pay $1.5m for p**sy? Dollars o not Naira or Gambian equivalent. This Agbaya auntie should STFU already!

I believe he has suffered in the hands of women when he was poor, this is why he chose to expose how cheap many women especially those in 9ja could be at times. Very sad but also entertaining!

Everybody tries to take a dig at Trump, yet he gives no bleeps! Trump is more gangsta than Obama will ever be and he does not apologize for being honest. I have a feeling a lot of people are going to drink rat poison before 4 years is over

An eye for an eye till everybody goes blind! Now some of these church people would panic and kill any Hausa man or woman that comes near them, this is what happens when we don't have sensible leaders(Governmental or Religious)!

Most of those who vandalized are now chilling in police custody and seeing that today is Friday they won't get bail till Monday. Those who e no go better for, e no go better for but America shall be great again!

sanerugwei:
God never made, He created man to fellowship with him and have dominion over the elements not to kill and abuse one another for the sake of religion claiming that they are worship God.
Can you tell me the true meaning of worship, Do you think its going to church wveryday or knocking head on the ground five times a day, chanting poems in the guise of prayer.
God is love. Love your neighbor as yourself. If you hate your neighbor (God's image) how can you claim that you love talkleas of worshipping God?
Think about it with opwn mind, it was not meant to disparage anybody, just the naked truth, which is an open aound only conscience can heal us all.
Peace and shalom to you.

We are saying the same thing, God is mysterious, hence the so many ways of worshiping him. Whether you are christian, Muslim or Jew, what matters is the goodness of your heart. We shall all be judged according to our deeds!

MMM is a nice and brilliant idea. Crowd sourcing/funding exists all over the world but they exists within the confines of the law! They operate with solid structures and realistic plans. They are registered with government so that when anything bad happens we would know who to hold accountable. Nigerians we too like wuru wuru, mago mago otherwise every right thinking person would ask the simple question, how does the founders of MMM make money? Abi na church business? Even churches make profits!

There is a quote I like to refer everyone to when believing that one religion is greater than the other but before I do that, we all agree on two things:

1. God is powerful and omnipotent

2. There is only one True God

If the above sentences are true then let's deeply think about the quote:

"If God wanted us all to worship him the same way, wouldn't it have been easy for him to make it so?"


God is mysterious, truly indeed!

Ok let's play along and say it was accidental. Who ordered the strike? Who were the officers involved? All of them should have been giving a mandatory resignation or retirement. I see no form of corrective actions just plain politics, life lost and all we hear is sorry?

davidif:
Wrong! At what cost should we have economic growth? At the cost of clean water and breathable air? Do you want the United states to be like China or Mexico city?


I am sorry but I will prefer a real scientist at the head of the EPA and not some corrupt global warming denier. This is a man who put companies ahead of communities. As the AG of Oklahoma, this man sided with his friends in big oil over the people he swore to protect.

What about Betsy Devos a billionaire that has spent fortune to fight the public school system in Michigan uhn? I am sorry that I want someone with a background in education who cares about reforming public schools in charge of the department of education and not a woman who has fought for decades against public education.
Is that too much to ask?

What you want is different from what the country needs according to Trump. Yea in a perfect world, your ideas would be ideal but we live in a real world with real problems. Trump was elected to bring back jobs, improve the economy and do away with the weak image the USA is now associated with. As the president elect, he is entitled to pick anyone that shares his vision, all we ask for is performance! Why don't you allow them to work and then judge later? All these bickering won't accomplish anything!

davidif:
Well, if I want to read about the climate change or the impact of human activity on the environment I will want to hear from an actual scientist and not a political pundit.

I'm sorry a realist shouldn't think like that, you should always compare and contrast. Ask yourself,can a scientist be bias? Is it possible that climate change consequences have been exaggerated just a tad bit? Everybody knows it's good to protect the environment but in a country with 20 Trillion dollars worth of debt and so many job killing regulations, the EPA is one of the agencies that have lost its ways. Challenging every right from property right to State's rights. If Trump is ever to deliver on his promises,the economy must be unleashed, I'm sorry he's going to have to piss off a lot of environmentalist, human rights advocates and so on, no more apologists like Obama, it's time for real and effective policies bringing America back to the days when ordinary citizens can afford to work 2 to 3 jobs and amassing wealth!

davidif:
Well here you go
Trump's choice for education secretary raises questions
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/02/politics/betsy-devos-michigan-education-legacy/

Betsy DeVos Helped Ravage Detroit's Schools, Which Is Why She Must Not Become U.S. Secretary of Education
http://www.alternet.org/education/betsy-devos-helped-ravage-detroits-schools-which-why-she-must-not-become-us-secretary

Trump's EPA pick took hands-off approach to environmental crisis that shook Oklahoma
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/17/politics/donald-trump-scott-pruitt-epa/index.html

Betsy DeVos and the twilight of public education
http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/stephen-henderson/2016/12/03/betsy-devos-education-donald-trump/94728574/

Who is Scott Pruitt, Trump's anti-EPA choice to lead the EPA?
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/14/politics/scott-pruitt-trump-epa/index.html
http://www.alternet.org/environment/pruitt-and-zinke-confirmation-hearings-kick-busy-week-capitol-hill
http://www.alternet.org/environment/trump-epa-nominee-scott-pruitt-would-trash-air-and-water-safeguards
http://www.alternet.org/environment/trump-picks-climate-denier-and-fossil-fuel-industry-puppet-scott-pruitt-head-epa-video
http://www.alternet.org/environment/trump-declares-all-out-war-environment-fossil-fuel-loving-climate-change-denying-cabinet

Betsy DeVos and the twilight of public education
http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/stephen-henderson/2016/12/03/betsy-devos-education-donald-trump/94728574/

This is a good start, now take each article and research the authors, separate the bias ones from the neutrals. For example, a scientist and an environmentalist would definitely be bias towards Pruitt. Now look at the links below and do the same, then you can form your stance. This is investigative journalism 101...thank me later!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/12/11/scott-pruitt-donald-trump-epa-constitution-editorials-debates/95311172/
http://www.dailywire.com/news/11439/7-things-know-about-trumps-epa-pick-chris-pruitt-aaron-bandler
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/12/confirm-scott-pruitt-epa/
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/12/why-we-need-pruitt-atop-the-epa
http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/mike-turpen-scott-pruitt-is-a-good-choice-for-epa/article_8c8e1a45-0ea3-5321-9a29-308a98c50445.html

davidif:
From where?!?! In other to do research you have to get information from somewhere so please tell me oh omniscient one where to get my info from.

One excellent method I use is gather 5 sources with contrasting beliefs. E.g Fox news,Al Jazeera, CNN, Altenet and Reuters. I then compare and analyze their reports, if it matches up I form my stance, if not I categorize the news as bias and wait till there are either more damning evidence or the story is refuted. This is just one of the methods I use, everyone is different but what separates a realist from others is the ability to decipher facts from noise

davidif:
So Faux news, breitbart and Drudge report are more credible sources right? Ok, Gotcha.

No they are all sh*t, stop depending on media and do your own investigative research

I can't really blame those who participated out of ignorance/frustration before the numerous warnings came out. However, I emphatically blame those who failed to heed the warnings and kept pumping money into this useless SCAM since October 2016. For those people, you will see paper and call it money by the time poverty is done with you!

davidif:
I've Served Under Many Republican EPA Administrators. Here's Why Scott Pruitt Is Wrong For This Job.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/edfenergyexchange/2017/01/17/ive-served-under-many-republican-epa-administrators-heres-why-scott-pruitt-is-wrong-for-this-job/#30734f01deea

Scott Pruitt, Trump’s E.P.A. Pick, Backed Industry Donors Over Regulators
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/14/us/scott-pruitt-trump-epa-pick.html?_r=0


A sobering look at what Betsy DeVos did to education in Michigan — and what she might do as secretary of education
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/12/08/a-sobering-look-at-what-betsy-devos-did-to-education-in-michigan-and-what-she-might-do-as-secretary-of-education/

Trump's Billionaire Education Secretary Has Been Trying to Gut Public Schools for Years
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/education-secretary-betsy-devos-vouchers-michigan-trump


A White Nationalist Is The New White House Chief Strategist
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-bannon-chief-strategist_us_5828e1d4e4b0c4b63b0d33d7

Steve Bannon Isn't a Racist. He's Worse.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/11/steve-bannon-isnt-racist-hes-worse



Do you want more?

You keep making my point for me without even knowing it! Look at your freakin sources, NY Times? Huffington Post? Dude are you kidding me? The same liberal media that kept saying there's no path for Trump to get to 270 electoral votes? Come on man, you got to do better than that, at least try to balance your sources and make it more credible, SHAME!

davidif:
deregulation
dēˌreɡyəˈlāSH(ə)n/

noun

the removal of regulations or restrictions, especially in a particular industry.
"he fought for deregulation of the telecom industry"

I'm glad you brought out the definition and I love your example. As you can see in the example the telecom industry was not removed or abandoned rather restrictions were removed. True purpose of deregulation is to make the country more business friendly! I'm glad I was able to educate you

Fathers raise your daughter right, make her strong so she would never depend on any man. Make her confident so she can be an asset not a liability. Mothers raise your daughter right, teach her not to sell her body for cheap things, build her independence but also teach her how to be submissive but empowering.

infolekan:
The person engaging you in this conversation has a lot of time in his hands. It's obvious where you stand and all this talk about numbers and some peeps being in the minority all points to the same end.
The glaring factor here is that a set of people are being attacked continuously and the government is doing nothing to help.....would you suggest they rollover and die or what exactly do you think CAN should do.
The SAW you wrote after your Prohepet Muhammad SAW tells me you're a Muslim. Don't see you saying anything different.
You're being the idealist and not the realist cos you've not said one thing you think the Southern Laguna Christians should do or they should just rollover and die without defending themselves?

This is the problem I have with your kind, failure to keep an open mind. The attack should be condemned by all well meaning Nigerians, it has nothing to do with your religion. The failure to condemn these attacks by the North shows that they are hell bent on wiping out the minority. When you now add the silence and cowardice of the government to the mix, things become very CLEAR! Tis is why I blamed the Northern majority and CAN for not helping the situation. If we are to fight violence with violence, the majority would win; rather CAN must use it's influence to engage the government and the Northern elites! Without intervention from the government the minority would ALL DIE! I hope you get my point, I'm all fr the defending themselves but this is an herculean task and the CASUALTIES would be too much.

limamintruth:
And I also understand the point you are trying to make; albeit using a very wrong analogy. In your write-up, its obvious you do not really know the true state of things in the north because for you to compare the north and south east is indeed laughable.

Let's take for example Kaduna State where these present attacks on indigent Christians is taking place. Note that I've lived in Kaduna State for more than 20years, thus I'm not just assuming things like you southerners do.

The State has an almost equal number of indigent Muslims and Christians alike; however, the political structure of the State favours the Muslims more as a result of Babangida's gameplan while he was Head of State. That is why its always very hard for the indigent Christians to self produce a Christian Governor in the State.

Furthermore, I'm surprised you are not aware that the indigent Christians have always defended their communities from Islamists in the past. Or why do you think the terrorists refer to their actions as 'avenging the killings of their kinsmen'?

The only disadvantage the Christians have right now is the fact that the govt. of the day is actively supporting the invaders against the Christian communities; that's all. Without govt supporting the fulanis, they would have long be driven by the indigenes. The govt are the ones arming these fulanis with very sophisticated weapons and there have been several eyewitness reports to corroborate same. Note that I live in Kaduna till date, and I was at one of the affected areas about a week ago. The indigenes have confirmed that a particular helicopter is always seen deep in the forest where the well armed fulanis are said to be located, dropping things late in the evening & hovering away afterwards.
This is why CAN has asked the communities to also arm themselves and defend their territories.

And for you to make that Igbo comparison just proves to me that you know nothing abt Kaduna State of a truth. Kaduna State is different from Kano State or Benue. Thus, you can just lump the whole north and refer to it as a dead zone for Christians because northern Christians did not 'migrate' to the north, like the Igbos migrate to Lagos or South west , no. The North has always been their homelands even b4 independence.

So I want you to be rest assured that NOTHING will happen if the Indigent Christians decide to arm themselves to protect their territory against intruders.
BTW, this is not a religious crises even, but a purely unprovoked attack on communities by faceless persons. And the call by CAN isn't a call against every Muslim in Kaduna State, but a call that is solely against the attackers hiding in the forests surrounding these Christian communities. The peace loving fulanis still move freely about in these communities without any harassment, thus, no one is targeting Muslims here; only the hideous killers in the forests.

Finally, you initially mentioned me as not being conversant with history. I just didn't want to create further epistle on that submission of yours because it seems you need the history lessons the more considering you seem not to know that the Prophet of Islam Muhammad is one of the most renowned warlord in history because during his lifetime, he masterminded the deaths of numerous Jews and pagans all over the middle east of old. Then we talk about the bloody Islamic conquests of old, that caused the decimation of millions of Christians from north Africa to parts of Europe to Asia. And back to Nigeria, with the bloody jihad of Uthman Danfodio across the Northern region, forcing several non-muslim communities to embrace Islam. All these killings were religiously motivated.

Note that you don't have to accept because I can deduce from your writeup that you are a Muslim from the South.

There's no need for the long epistle,you obviously live in a world of theories while reality has evaded you! Three fallacies in your write up:

1: Kaduna has the same number of Christians to Muslims(You obviously don't know what you are talking about, can you show me the research which backs your ridiculous assumption?) I not only have friends and family in Kaduna but I served there also so where did you get your information from?

2. Who told you the government is sponsoring these uprisings? Once again another emotional reaction with no facts whatsoever! Perhaps you meant religious leaders?

3. Finally, If you call Prophet Muhammad(S.A.W) a warlord then the same title befits Moses and Joshua. You might want to dispute it but even the smartest historians would tell you more people died on the orders of Joshua than any other prophet so your outrageous analysis of the prophet was not only mischief-like but comical!

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/03/who-was-the-most-violent-prophet-in-history/

It might interest you to know that the very first holy crusade was created by the church as a military campaign aimed at reclaiming what is known today as the Middle East. The death toll is over 700,000, you might want to think about this before thinking one religion is more violent than the other