₦airaland Forum

jl115:
So what the fvck are you arguing with me for?

Idk to be honest at this point to see what I can learn but if social democracy is capitalism with welfare so be it

vedaxcool:
So every Nigerian that died in Government Hospital was killed because they opposed the government?
This sort of reasoning is too pedestrian and illogical to be parroted by an adult.

There's a difference help was stopped from being administered how can you compare this to every Nigerian when there were people there to help him

So we've become a fascist state killing all who oppose the government unless something happens quickly Buhari will likely be able to run for a third term without much opposition

Hueman:
Under social democracy the bourgeois still own and control the state. Resources still won’t be allocated well. And social democracy is a bandaid for facsim. For instance Norway a social democracy has state owned oil companies in Nigeria they work with shell and chevron to destroy the Niger delta. The wealth they make from making Nigeria poor is used to fund their social programs. This is why I say social democracy is just capitalism with a welfare system. We shouldn’t learn from Norway but countries like China. Look at how Norway state owned companies has destroyed my country.

The government can make laws to improve the standard of living for citizens and the so called bourgeois are often people who worked hard to get where they got or at least it was the case look at Odutola, Awolowo, Ojukwu you think they inherited their wealth? Theyn worked hard for it and for this socialist government to label them bourgeois and take away their wealth makes no sense whatsoever. What makes sense is the government setting minimum wage standards and a specific standard that must be kept when it comes to safe work spaces then the governemtn sets up free healthcare, free education, homelessness shelters etc. To make life better that's all that is needed this whole controlling supply and demand doesn't make sense

And I think you need to learn what Fascism is Norway is as far away from Fascism as possible

Hueman:
Africans held it down and we held it well. The Portuguese lost 4 wars before getting their first colony. The Akans gave the british so much problems. The Zulu dealt with the Dutch that they almost gave up. Africa got colonized cause many ethnic groups were divided and the Europeans exploited that division.

Who lost in the end? And consider the British had less numbers but better technology that's why they won in the end

jl115:
So now you have literally admitted capitalism is better than socialism

FYI a social democracy is a capitalistic economic system but with the belief that Government should provide certain benefits like health care and education to it's citizens............

Basically

Hueman:
This is why social democracy is stupid and another side of fascism. Imagine thinking western corporations are good when it’s them that are the reason why africa is a mess. I’ve never seen the west sanction their company for illegal practices in the global south. Like come on! China is here to work in good faith. Our government just don’t care about holding them accountable. China isn’t gonna fund a coup when we don’t listen to them

And how is social democracy anything like Fasciscm it's literally socialism with capitalist aspects and isn't as strict on private companies in this whole socialist society my grandfathers business would have never succeded because the so called people must control means of supply and demand where in reality all that is needed is workers unions and fair working facilities and wages which can be easily arranged by simple working rights laws there's no reason for the government to get involved in the private sector whatsoever which is why i'm a social democrat and not a socialist or communist the private sector should be allowed to thrive

Hueman:
Do you see me saying I don’t view Indians or Chinese as Africans. There’s a whole Indian and Lebanese community in Nigeria. They’re can be racist but the context of them are different. This is why we got colonized cause of people that think like you. White South Africans are literally holding the country back because of their racism and you think I should form kumbaya with them.

People that think that our opinions on others should just be objective and not based on any previous bias are the reason Africa got colonized and not because the west had superior weapons and technology?

Hueman:
When it’s time to talk about redistributing stolen wealth all you white devils will remember you’re a colonizer. I’ve met plenty of white South Africans and they’re all bad vibes. Even your fellow Europeans don’t like you people.

What is wrong with you? Who hurt you like honestly

Hueman:
This is why social democracy is stupid and another side of fascism. Imagine thinking western corporations are good when it’s them that are the reason why africa is a mess. I’ve never seen the west sanction their company for illegal practices in the global south. Like come on! China is here to work in good faith. Our government just don’t care about holding them accountable. China isn’t gonna fund a coup when we don’t listen to them

China is working in good faith how? They took control of Zambia's water company, cellphone company and police force and they set up a military base in Djibouti China are not your friend and why are China allowing their citizens to practice illegal mining in African countries? There's no western company working illegally or at least not to the same degree as Chinese companies are.

Hueman:
Oga apartheid ended 30 years ago. You people are just wicked. I’m so glad Nigeria isn’t dealing with oyinbo people.

Why're you acting like Afrikaners weren't arrested with Nelson Mandela in the 60s? Not all are bad or racist as you try to make it seem same way not all Nigerians are 419 scammers or drug dealers but if you're judging Afrikaners in this way they have every right to judge us the same way and there's no argument you can make against them.

Hueman:
You do realize if they weren’t incredibly racist then most people wouldn’t have a problem with seeing them as African

Who says all of them are extremelt racist? I just talked to one today and they were perfectly fine

Hueman:
Omo U like to lie

Search it then

One dollar = 1182 Korean won
One dollar = 570 Naira

Okay not the Chinese one just double checked but are you saying Korea is poor because their currency is weak?

Hueman:
Not this bold face lie. Those companies don’t comply. They don’t even sanction their companies for bad behaviour. Watch them fund a coup when Congo government starts being strict with them. China not doing coups or forcing their ideology on anyone. They just want to do business. China’s recent crackdown has been to be more strict with private companies so this attack on Chinese miners in Congo is not surprising.

Bring evidence there have been multiple occasions over the past few years where Canadian companies have stalled operations when asked and the difference is the Canadian companies have licensing to do so the Chinese companies are illegal should the government not be able to stop foreign illegal mining if they're that good why is it only Western countries that go through the effort of getting licensing these same Chinese are destroying the environment with their illegal mining in Ekiti, Osun and Zamfara as well as in many parts of Ghana but you wouldn't acknowledge this because you don't think objectively

Hueman:
do you know how bad the naira is lol

The naira is stronger then both the Korean and Chinese currencies the weakness of the currency doesn't matter

Kazikazi:
Hohohohohohohoho Hohohohohohohoho
Those illegals were made that way by the system,and most of those legal ones became legal through corruption

How is it through corruption? They applied for visa then applied for permanent citizenship brought the necessary documents, paid the necessary fees and got the document they need to stay in the country nothing illegal whatsoever.

Hueman:
Look at what China is doing to its companies disobeying Congolese laws lol

You do realize that Canadian and Australian companies also complied why is it that your pro anything leftist even if a capitalist nation is doing the same you need to have some middle ground and be objective in your opinions

jl115:
he clearly stated that he is not going after legal immigrants that contribute to the economy

Not about the politicians but their followers

jl115:
unfortunately ActionSA are not contesting any municipalities in my area however the DA has done an awesome job in my area but ActionSA has my vote for the next national election, its time all the illegal immigrants fvck off out of SA

But even us legal immigrants with permanent citizenship are being harassed by these voters most Nigerians will likely have to leave soon

donprinyo:
Story, invariably you are part of this mess

How am I part of the mess if i've never supported those that put us in the mess how does that even make sense?

donprinyo:
Foolish dream made you to support a dead brain for presidency. I'm pretty sure u have never invested a dime in dis country.

I never supported APC and PDP and my contribution to the nation habe been greater then yours.

jl115:
EFF is losing support... Granted the DA as well!! However parties like ActionSA which has a very very hard stance against immigrants might see a massive surge in support.

I'm praying that ActionSA don't win but i've seen a lot more of their posters then those of DA and EFF but if they win it would have a negative impact on us Nigerians in the country.

jl115:
lol the EFF coming in to power??

WTF you smoking bru

I mean they might ANC is dying so it's between EFF and DA for now if only Julius Malema wasn't so keen on increasing immigration then South Africans wouldn't be so against his government

Hueman:
I literally grew up in Nigeria and I saw poverty everywhere. It’s worse now with buhari economy.

And I have family members living in Nigeria right now as we speak who don't believe that Nigeria has the most people in poverty in fact the world bank made a tweet and I even posted it on the old thread and they said that the numbers for Nigeria are 89 million and not 100 million as people on this forum have wrongly claimed and apart from that fact the poverty in India is way worse then in Nigeria the amount of poor people in India is about 134 million people so yes Nigeria isn't the poverty capital of the world the nation may be poor but we aren't the poorest in the world

donprinyo:
PDP will always be the last hope of Nigeria.

A hope that hasn't brought the country and quality form of infrastructure whatsoever? Guy you're a fool PDP is not the solution

Hueman:
They’re managing fine if they are living longer than us

Life expectancy isn't the sole metric for standard of living there's literacy, gdp per capita, doctors per 1000 people, standard of hospitald and education, water access, electricity access and quality of supply etc. You only using one metric and going with it shows your lack of knowledge when it comes to data collection and the standard of living in general North Korea is not a good example for any African country to follow you cannot discount the progress of capitalism rather we should see where capitalism was right and where it was wrong replace the places where it got it wrong and replace them with systems of socialism which is why the ideology of social democracy is best in my opinion your view is jsut anti capitalist no matter what and for whatever reason anti Nigeria in all shapes and forms whether there's progress or not you don't care just life expectancy like it's the only metric of progress and development.

rvp2018:
Dont argue with data. Your parent wasted their money on you. Nigeria is poor. ADMIT THE PROBLEM and fix it. The entire North of Nigeria with 100M people - are full of Almajiris - and life there is no different from niger or chad.

Admit the problem.

I am arguing with data there's no way Nigeria has more people below the poverty line then India or China it's simply impossible Nigeria's middle class alone is 60 million, add on the upper class, upper middle class and the lower class and that should be well over 50 million people my estimate for people below the poverty line would be 70-90 million and in India the number would be much larger at 100-200 million people and do they count children in the poverty line system? Because Almajiris are children and as far as i'm concerned they only count the wealth of parents, and because someone is an Almajiri doesn't mean their parents are below the poverty line it simply means their parents want their learning islamic education and not western education but in some cases it is because they're poor but not always.

And what position do you have to speak on how my parents spend their money you need to mind your own business because you know nothing about my standard of education my views on data concerning my country and my views on politics don't represent my educational status

Hueman:
Nigeria is a poverty capital of the world. Who is honestly buying those estate?

You really believe that Nigeria is the poverty capital of the world? You know that western media can lie and that they're often inaccurate and you believe they lie about the situation in North Korea but don't take a secoond guess on their news on Nigeria?

Nigeria's middle class alone is over 60 million people do you really believe that there is no lower class above the poverty line but below the definition of middle class? And this lower or working class indefinitely numbers more then 40 million and for you to even think that China and India have less people below the poverty line then Nigeria does is frankly amazing to me because it should just be common sense that it isn't the case but continue listening to everything without taking a second thought at the case on ground.

And do you really think that there aren't Nigerians who can afford housing in estates like what's wrong with you. You sound like the average ignorant American or European can those Africans even afford food, can those Africans even afford water, can those Africans even afford housing. For someone who claims to be a radical leftist African your views on Africa are extremely western and quite literally outlandish and weird

donprinyo:
You r just a lazy ungrateful Nigerian. I bet you are one those unproductive youths.

Yes i'm lazy and ungrateful for wanting an end to mediocrity? see how foolish your views are i've shown you that PDP was bad and isn't the way forward and you call me lazy what does that have to do with my work ethic? Abeg be quiet there