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wunmi590:


That's a working country, from the chant, the president would quickly know he has not being doing enough for it citizens and quickly retrace his step to better the people....

But just make that chant in your room or hole here in Nigeria, EFCC, DSS, Police and every military officers would invade your house...

Stupid country with stupid governments

And what exactly are we doing to make Nigeria a working country?

obaaderemi:
I don't grasp the bolded.

If China understood it was stage by stage-- with the first stage being: getting wealth first, according to you-- then why did it start with full blown communism, which didn't work well until Deng brought his market oriented reforms? And I don't believe that now that those reforms have brought success, China would be dumb enough to start practicing full communism.

Mao didn't understand it only Deng did that's the point the first stage failed with Stalin and Mao because they didnt't know what they were doing but Deng understood the assignment and initiated the necessary stages of development to achieve a successful communist country.

obaaderemi:
Mao was a hothead. How else can you describe a man who closed down universities and sent the youths to the countryside?

There's no way on earth communism can work. I'll tell you why: by nature man is a free spirit who abhors chains and cages. And these are things communism subtly encompasses. Look at Stalin's Russia and North Korea. China too to an extent.

Once you start looking for wealth, you might need to embrace capitalism and find it too alluring to abandon.
If communism was so hot it would have survived, especially in Russia.

Bro did you read there' stages to achieve it if you don't have immense wealth you cannot achieve communism that was the reason why all the nations failed China is the only one that understood it is a stage by stage process but Mao's cultural revolution greatly helped Deng with his economic reforms and also made China less religious which was actually very helpful for education and innovation.

obaaderemi:
Because you are an idiot, you didn't realize Nigeria would even do worse under communism.
The problem with Nigeria is not capitalism but the way the Nigerian system is influenced by underlying factors, and of course corruption.

When communism was still very much alive, there were more successful capitalist nations than communist countries.
I guess you are not uninformed enough not to know there was once a great struggle and rivalry between communism and capitalism. Guess what, communism lost badly.
Russia lost to America in all ramifications during the cold war, the Berlin war came down, Poland called Stalin's bluff and nothing happened, the iron curtain was torn into shreds, north Korea turned out poorer than South Korea, Tanzania failed, Russia lost the race to the moon to America and became ruined financially, I can go on.
Finally, China slowly and gradually embraced capitalism and began to grow to superpower status.
Can you show me one line in which I downplayed China's progress. Clearly you are desperate. But fact is China only got better after Mao. if it had stuck to the kind of communism it was practicing, it would have remained a failure. Just like when tiny Japan was dealing with big for nothing China during 2nd world war and using Chinese ladies as comfort women.

You talk about Niger Delta, do you know how many people died under Mao alone due to his stvpid policies? More than the population of the entire Niger Delta.
Your idea is unpopular and stvpid, just like you yourself.

You do realize to achieve communism you need to acquire wealth that's something that Deng knew and Mao didn't the only way to get to the stage of full communism was by mixing socialist and capitalist systems once they have enough wealth they can then move onto full socialism then minor communism then full communism and the reason why communism failed the first time was because the leaders didn't understand this stage by stage process for communism but in my opinion we shouldn't embrace communism but there's enough evidence to show that if it's planneed right over a long period of time thints can come out well.

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
Do you know how many Nigerians Italy is feeding. At least it's only is not the poverty capital of the world. Yes I might be sold out for a few euros but my business cannot suffer because of this woman. When you go to other people's country you must know as a Nigeria you are going there as a slave. Already the Italian police have been dealing with Nigerians mercilessly here do not make the situation worse for us. The man must be released immediately and he must be compensated for the stress which the lady gave him

Why're you acting like there aren't Nigerians enjoying life in Italy and who aren't loved by Italians like Osimhen

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
Ask yourself how did you know the woman went to Nigeria to get married. And how did you know the woman already had a husband in Nigeria

No you made a claim so now you need to bring evidence not me

Good it's time for us to fight for what we want in this country it starts with protests then ends with formation of political unions let us all come together and join MOP to change the ways of this nation

Olu317:
Have you ever seen anywhere in Ifáodù corpus where Iwa pẹ̀lẹ is called or mentioned as same with Iwa? Iwa is Iwa. Igbálódè Yorúbà

You think Ifáodù corpus is your day to incorporated Yoruba language ? You make me laugh because we speak modernised variation of Yoruba dialect and not the deeper or older dialects, except you're from hinterland. Anyway, enjoy yourself

Neither of us have read the whole odu ifa corpus so neither of us has a say in that manner I get my source for Iwa being character ir attitude from an Iyalorisa and a Babalawo who both mentioned Iwa pele in their teachings.

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
The Nigerian High Commission in Italy must immediately apologize to the Italian man who shot a Nigerian woman. This Nigerian woman arrived in Italy and she was in the Refugee camps waiting to be deported to Nigeria, she begging Italian man to marry her when she had three children in Nigeria and she was already married which is actually in legal for a woman to actually marry two men at the same time but the truth of the matter she actually married three men. In 2019 she came back to Nigeria and married another Nigerian man which is currently in jail for fraud. Nigerian community and Nigerian association in Italy is very worried that if this man is jailed the fall out on Nigerians living in Italy with BC fair because the woman is partially guilty. You cannot marry three men at once because of Greed. Please I am begging the Nigerian government and Nigerian High Commission in Italy not to put Nigerian live in Italy in danger by supporting people with criminal acts which travel abroad. There are a lot of Nigerian innocent people in Italy and we do not want her condition to become wet or being harassed and insulted because of this incident. This woman made her bed so she should lie on it. Already Nigerians have been harassed in Italy severely even before this incident, it is no use of making the situation worse for Nigerians living in Italy. My advice to the government is to open diplomatic channels and try to apologize for the mistakes of this Nigerian woman which had criminal Intent. We cannot suffer in Italy because of one person.

Do you even have evidence for your claims?

Why are Nigerians quick to believe bad news? Let him bring the pictures like they did in Obigbo before

Olu317:
Smiles... Oh I see. So Ifa priests are founder.of Ogboni society ? Now I know you do not know what you're posting online. It is obvious, your view is based scanty books you read. Do not drag yourself into the mud of ignorance.

Wise up and post truth and not assumption.

Foundation of Ogboni started at Ileife. Plain and simple. This was the ancient place of its origin.

I've read dozens of books on the Ogboni and Ifa divination is definitely part of the practice of the Ogboni I forgot which odu is specifically attributed to the Ogboni i'll go back and read on it but the Ogboni Society had relation to the ifa corpus and I didn't say ifa priests founded Ogboni I said that ifa is part of what is practiced within the Ogboni society

Hueman:
They both build it so what now

Argument is over I guess

vaxx:
that is the point. She is the brain behind the box.

She isn't the brain behind any box there are dozens of other people who also raise money apart from her she is just one of many organs of donations

vaxx:
she has been a source of many welfare development agenda in UK. You only need to google up.

She raises money but she doesn't control welfare projects or welfare development

vaxx:
Uk policy is highly welfare headed by the queen herself . So socialism is right embedded in their political system. For example, the queen has raised millions upon millions of pounds for worthy causes for everything from children with dread diseases to wounded soldiers. That is socialist / welfare outlook.

The queen doesn't do shit and she doesn't control any welfare system I live there and I understand the politics she doesn't solely raise moeny so do celebrities and politicians.

jl115:
Also show me successful examples of socialism............

P.S Nordic countries are not socialist!!!

China, Sweden, Norway etc. The Nordic countries are socialist or social democracies whether you like it or not cry more.

jl115:
Lets take Cuba then it only has a population of 11 million or we can use Vietnam , North Korea, Laos which ever you want

Those are examples of failed socialism due to bad leadership but there are over 50 plus examples of how capitalism has gone wrong so do you really want to do that.

jl115:
It's the fact that you don't know the definition of socialism which is the problem......if you did you would understand that Nordic Socialism isn't socialism at all but actually capitalism sprayed with a little welfare and state employment......

And again, stop saying the research I provide is wrong when you don't have any to counter it

What is your source

jl115:
1. NOOO!!!!!!! LOL!!!!! They are free market capitalist economies, workers still work for a boss /(Private company) and people can still start businesses(Private companies) and employ people, workers don't own the means of production(unless they own it themselves like a private company). They do however have state owned companies, welfare and collective bargaining which don't even by themselves necessarily even fall under the definition of socialism.

2. Learn the difference between equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome, what you just said is the definition of equality of outcome since now everybody has to go to the same school regardless of the quality of education and nobody has the opportunity to go to a private institution which might offer better education.

3. yet the UK and US citizens are more wealthy, live in less poverty and are in fact more equal than Chinese citizens...

Have you seen the size of China's economy and the sizze of its population it is impossible for Chinese citizens to be as rich as the citizens in those countries.

jl115:
I don't do conspiracy theories, get actual studies to counter my argument instead of using excuses like "who makes that data"

Scandinavian countries are not socialist, you are getting stuck because of the word Nordic "socialism" and automatically think it's socialist when simply they 100% a free market based economy but have comprehensive welfare state, collective bargaining and a large public sector employment all of which also don't necessarily fall under the definition of socialism.

I'm not the one who termed it socialist and it's not a conspiracy theory to want to know the source of data, and I don't care what your definition is the Nordic countries are socialist or at least practice a type of socialism there's no singular type of socialism as you tried to say

Hueman:
Kenya, Swaziland, and South Africa already has a growing socialist party. Big countries like Nigeria needs to join so we can set the stage across the continent.

Yeah Nigeria is about to jump on that bandwagon very soon the only thing holding us back is the north hopefully they can learn from Aminu Kano

Hueman:
Life expectancy of Nigeria is 55 in 2021 isn’t exactly something to be proud of. Our life expectancy is barely growing. North Korea life expectancy is 72 and they are poorer than us. That shows how powerful socialism is.

Deng was alright. But Mao culturally changed the Chinese society. He got rid of the traitors and those willing to sell out his country to the west. He created the foundations for why China is strong. The Chinese still respects and honour this man. So downplaying his accomplishments is just weird. China literally used to be a feudal society for goodness.

I'm talking about infrastrucutre and you're talking about social changes do you see the problem now?

jl115:
So tell me why are capitalist countries(And yes Nordic countries are by definition capitalist as well) more equal than true socialist countries?

Nordic countries are socialist with capitalist tendencies and what do you mean by more equal have you ever been to America or France or the UK to see the equality? In China they just banned private schools so all people have equal opportunity to get good learning and nobody gets more priority but England and America and them lot would never do that because they're too capitalist to care about the well being of citizens for the most part or at least of poor citizens they love the rich ones.

jl115:
Funny because Capitalist countries top the list for least corrupt countries and true socialist/communist states are at the bottom?

Funny because who makes that data specifically? I hope you know the scandinavian countries are socialist so if they're on this your list then your point has already failed and as far as I know there's been a hell of a lot more scandals concerning America, UK, France and all of those countries with corruption ( Watergate comes to mind ) then scandals in China and Vietnam especiakky China there corrupt leaders are executed on the spot so where's this your data coming from claiming countries like China are corrupt

The three best leaders in Nigerian history Okpara, Azikiwe and Awolowo were all Socialists up or down the spectrum in severity and they all developed their regions massively, Azikiwe built industrial zones, roads and farm estates then Okpara established concrete and car assembly plants as well as increasing production of cash crops such as palm oil and cocoa which made food sufficiency for the region then Awolowo introduced free education, free healthcare, build many roads and attempted to build a railway to connect the cocoa belt to Lagos but plans fell through and all of these were done in about 6 years and did I forget to say that Nigeria's economy at this point was growing at 8% plus and in Okpara and Azikiwe's eastern region at other 12% so Socialism has a good history in Nigeria and is awaiting its revival.

vaxx:
well UK is a complexed civilized nation, she understand the world is not white and black . Therefore understand how to balanced the technicality.

NHS system run in uk is an attribute of socialism economy.

NHS is more of a welfare system but at the same time yes it's a socialist type system but if you read the news anyday you'll see how it is being affected by the capitalist conservative party led by Boris Johnson

Just30:
There is no way you can run a capitalist economy without massive corporate corruption

Corporations end up owning the nation..... USA is one big example....


China has seen the light and it has decided to cut it huge corporations to size

Exactly the capitalist system is built upon exploitation and the larger and richer the nation the more remain poor and the more are exploited in a socialist republic or a nation with socialist ideas corporations don't have such power and the people are able to help control the production so they won't be exploited but rather will be able to get what they rightly deserve from the system.

jl115:
the problem isn't capitalism but corruption and incompetence of the Nigerian government........

There are still flaws with the capitalist system you do realize that and the only good Nigerian leaders to ever rule other any part of Nigeria were socialists or social democratics so I think for us in Nigeria we will be very happy to adopt Socialism at some point and experience an economic boom like those in China and Vietnam

Hueman:
Those countries exist to make us poor because of capitalism. That’s why we need to create a movement based on class struggles so we can get something done. We aren’t Congo where everyone is stealing their cobalt. Our oil is running out. So this is the perfect time to fight back.

And the fight has already begun in some places

vaxx:
we can try every bit of economic and political success. We can combine discipline and democracy, so many countries are doing it . Every bit of success is applicable. Uk is running a capitalist and socialism economy. "mixed economy".

UK isn't socialist one bit and the citizens are against it there are parties trying to bring in socialism to the UK but they've been rejected and ignored by the populace because they don't believe in socialism.

Hueman:
Were is Nigeria’s vaccine Were is an African made vaccines. They can’t even distribute their vaccines because of sanctions. This is something many socialist countries deal with because the west wants to convince everyone that communism is bad.

China and Russia aren't affected Nigeria has bought both their vaccines imo the Cuban vaccine isn't properly tested or even safe for international use yet, but their system is much better then the ones in Africa outside of South Africa because South Africa is producing vaccines and so would India if the west wasn't the west.

vaxx:
I don't know the Bleep you are typing about. Inkrumah was doing three in one , Communism, socialism and what he term inkrumnaism. All sort of ""sims"" A look at "kwame nkrumah ideological institute"will exposed you to a better understanding. It is an ideology you can find online .


Something of such was also embedded in mauhammar Gaddafi "Green book""

He wasn't practicing communism and nkrumahism is a form of African socialism same way China have socialism with Chinese characteristics that is exactly what Nkrumahism he was trying to do the same thing as what China was doing before China did it.