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vaxx:
he wasn't requested to work in Ghana by any president . He came after graduating from Lincoln university .

Exactly so their situations are different i'm talking of a president personally requesting for a company to set up base in thier country that rarely happens especially between African nations there is a sort of big brother and little brother relationship between Nigeria and Ghana albeit it's more one sided with Nigerua giving to Ghana most times rather then receiving

samuk:
Are you really serious right now

Serious about what? That's what happened after Ilorin was conquered the Fulani began to move south and Oyo Ile was ransacked several times so to survive the residents left and founded new cities like Ago D'Oyo the current seat of the old Oyo empire or they moved to Ife which was the start of the Modakeke conflict if you bothered to search you'd find the ruins of the walls found in the old oyo national park or the grinding sites and indigo pits for dying cloth or even the watering holes for the populace it is all there you just have to use your energy to find it

BKayy:
You forgot the part where the first adult insinuated that the disappearance of something as remarkable as a full calvary with Horsemanship was a result of mere movement out of the "original savannah"
The same adult failed to put into consideration that no reasonable organism moves to where its major mode of defense/offense will be neutralised or at worst forever blown into the abyss.
For example, when the Huns terrorised Europe, they tend to avoid places their horses can't survive.

But here we are were a full "adult" wants to make us believe that a reasonable empire somehow manage to lose not just the calvary (a mobile force) but the act of horsemanship due to mere migration. Like when they migrated or forced to move, the horses started dying, they stayed put and watched all die.
Mtcheww... You can do better than this

It's like you don't know about the fall of the Oyo empire? What happened was Ilorin was where the cavalry was from as in all of Ilorin simply served the purpose of keeping the cavalry and horseman it was even where they were trained so when the place where 90% of your cavalry is based is taken over by a foreign empire and your army depended on that place for all thier cavalry what do you think happens? They were left destitute their horsemen either assimilated with the conquerors, died fighting them or killed themselves because they lost in battle and that is the truth as to why the cavalry was basically dead after the yoruba civil wars.

And i'd like for you to explain how Yorubas would get the Europeans to create fake history for them when the Europeas quite literally thought all Africans were inferior or stupid why would they need to concoct a fake story for another inferior insignificant ethnic group and if they did why did they only do it for the Yorubas and not gor the Godlike hebrew Igbos?

Hueman:
Discussing what economic model works for us is discussing African issues. I genuinely believe that this country would be better if it was ran by socialist.

The economic model that a country is run by doesn't matter what matters is the actual leader both Toure and Nyerere were socialists or communists but destroyed their country's economies so African nations getting socialist leaders doesn't provide any development or progress and will make no difference

vankelvin:
Mention those tyre and rubber factories make we see? you guys like spreading falsehood too much.

Just as you guys claim you supply Ghana electricity etc and up till now there's no evidence to that claim.

Please, Asikiwe and Nkrumah were very close friends, that we know but don't go further by adding all false claims to the story.

We were taught history in Ghana too. We know our country just as you know yours so don't exaggerate.

Why would they teach students that a president requested for a company to set up in the nation?

vaxx:
so? if that is true,that is the usual way of attracting foreign direct investment. Zik was once employed with a newspaper in Ghana called ""Africa morning Post""

But did a president request him to work in Ghana?

vaxx:
He wasn't Nigeria first man anyway , it was even the northerner who never want Nigeria to be independent. In the name of tafawa balewa and in terms of national contribution, anthony enahoro has done what Awolowo was just doing way back . He first moved the motion for Nigeria independence. And again Awolowo was more popular in south west governance than the national helm.

I even try by mentioning fela, fela is more popular than his mother thru his music as a political language.


Azikwe has no weight in comparable to Awolowo in south or balewa in the north. He is only popular in the east . Infact the latter biafra war leader ""ojukwu"" is more popular than him

simple, Nigeria does not have a central hero. Nigeria can only be proud of patriotic citizens or vilien in the name of sanni abacha. Nigeria biggest bad boy.

Which country has a central hero? Nobody said shit about a singular or a central hero there are many heroes where they were popular doesn't matter did they help gain Nigeria's independence? Did they help to develop the nation? Did they lay the foundation of the nation? Then they're heroes full stop

JaceBlaze:
Nigeria comparing themselves with "lazy" South Africa on their national television.

Clearly we are secretly admired in West Africa.Most people will not admit that they wanna be us..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhFMqXbCygU

How are you secretly admired? There's no secret South Africa is the most developed nationin Africa and most Nigerians would rather live there then in Nigeria but our economy is the largest in Africa and South Africa's is the second largest so it's a necessary metric to measure is it not?

vankelvin:
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How? explain further

I know Azikiwe was Nkrumah's school mate in the states but to say Nkrumah depended on Nigeria once is very laughable

Can you come clear on that statement? what kind of dependant be dat one?

Not exactly dependant but they did go to Nigeria to try and bring in more industry into Ghana like when Nkrumah personaly asked Odutola to bring his tyre retreading and rubber factories to Ghana

vaxx:
Nigeria does not have a central hero or heroine, the guys you mentioned up there are only limited in their region. Awolowo is much more recognized in south west than the eastern and northern part of Nigeria , kuti hero was tested when he contested for president seat , he failed absmally. Zik does not have much weight in south and northern part of Nigeria.

most countries of the world, there are names that stand out and are acknowledged as heroes by all, irrespective of ethnicity, religion, region or whatever. Nigeria does not have one . Not even wole soyinka or chinua Achebe.

How was Awolowo only a hero un his region when he got Nigeria it's first constitutiion, made the currency for Nigeria and was a main voice in Nigeria's independence?

I said Ransome Kuti not Fela Kuti his mother is ransome kuti she is the hero i'm talking about she thought hard for women's right and even harder against colonialism and imperialism

Azkiwe fought hard for independence and even created an ideology to save Nigeria post independence called Zikism


And I never said Nigeria only had one hero can a nation not have millions of heroes?

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
Protest in Abuja on Nigerian Independence Day

Breaking: Independence Day Protesters commence #RevolutionNow #BuhariMustGo protest in Abuja pic.twitter.com/iJS4tzD05G

— Omoyele Sowore (@sowore) October 1, 2021

And?

vaxx:
Azikiwe is just a patriotic Nigerian, not a hero. Nigeria does not have a hero or heroine figure.

He was a hero and Nigeria has many heroes from Awolowo to Zik to Okpara to Wachuku to Ransome Kuti to say Nigeriia doesn't have heroes or heroines is foolish he was a lot more then a patriot he fought hard for Nigeria's independence or is pushing for independence and increasing consciousness among youths of Nigeria not a heroic thing?

And if it were to be horse then your point would be completely destroyed because Igbo have the exact same object used for the exact same purposes but no history of cavalry

christistruth01:
All Yoruba Obas Carry a Horse Tail

It is a cow tail

BKayy:
Nike and Nsukka people used to and are still slaughtering and eating horse (ịnyịnya) so what is your point?

How do you know that they've been eating these horses for hundreds of years? Horses cannot survive in the forest region because of the tsetse fly which is why the Oyo empire was predominantly based in the Savanna where they were safe and were most effective anyways here's another image of the Oyo empire cavalry and what makes the burial of these horse bones unique is that they buried artefacts with them and they were buried near humans meaning that they had a significant importance and relation to the people and the empire those who eat horses aren't going to bury cloth and brass with them are they?

BKayy:
Proof or forever remain silent.
Bini man

How am I bini now? My father's name is Obiosa and his mother is from Anambra we're both from Ndokwa land and we consider ourselves igbo I am personally a Yoruba and Igbo person I have no allegiance to either tribe all I want is for the best and you said you wanted proof I will give you proof search Yoruba brass anklets and you will find the images our jewelry was different from that of the igbo but even we still had brass anklets and necklaces

christistruth01:
Till today Every Yoruba Oba Carries a Horse tail called Irukere as Part of his Royal Regalia

It's a cow tail and the igbos do the same if we're arguing let it be truthfully

BKayy:
Madam please I want to understand something here.
When I went to Nupe land years ago, I met some Nupe people riding donkeys to farm. There it is common to see a Fulani Camel caravan because the Fulani live side by side with the Nupe people.
Same with Sokoto. On many occasions you see families known for their horsemanship. You'll see their horses being chartered for. Occasionally, we see Tuareg Camel caravan coming to trade in Nigeria.
In Borno, we saw rich families with their own horses.

So what happened to the Oyo or should I say Yoruba horsemanship?
Why is it that there is no trace of it in Yoruba land?

This is not about modernisation because even as developed as Dubai is, they still retain their ancient "falconry", camel racing and ownership.
So what happened to Oyo horsemanship?

The city of Oyo Ile was sacked dozens of times and tens of thousands of their soldiers were killed you really think that they'd be able to maintain a strong army after losing their capital dozens of times and on top of that several kings being killed majority of the army was killed during the yoruba civil war but there is evidence like the abundance of horse bones found in around the area that's supposed to encompass the region.

BKayy:
LOL. You really want to compare your primitive people with those that literally wore money as clothes?

Like the Europeans noted "Igbo women are adorned with Ivory and copper bracelets and Anklets worth thousands of pounds"

That is millions of Naira for everyday clothing unlike you... What should I call you Yoruba people again?

There is that pic of teenage girls from Aro carnival you people like to post. The one they wear pounds of designed Ivory, copper and Silver. The girls are worth millions.

No be today we start to give black savages reason to hate
Igbo is not y'all mates

Literally everybody had clothes and brass and gold anklets or necklaces aren't igbo in origin even the Ijebus had these

BKayy:
You mean the Yorubas that were naked in 20th century?
Most parts of Yoruba land are still tying only wrapper today.

This is so stupid we both had clothes but in many cases we still walked around without shirts both groups had flourishing textile industries that thhe Europeans bought and talked about but yet somehow it is still an argument between these two groups that one didn't have clothes like are you guys are idiots?

BKayy:
Is this supposed to be a question?
There are many lies parading themselves as history in Nigeria.
One of them is that Anna Pepple was an Ijaw man.
Another is the imaginary Oyo calvary which mysteriously dissappeared and left no trace of horse or horsemanship in not just in Oyo but the entire Yoruba land.

There was never an Oyo empire. All those things are lies.

So you've never seen the horse bones and skeletons found in and around major areas relating to the Oyo empire? Go and read the research done by Cambridge

BKayy:
Google to read more of you peoples lies.
If you talk about Fulani Horsemanship, the durbar of Sokoto will remind you.
Durbar of Kano will.
If you talk about Tuareg Camel Caravan, anyone that have lived in the far North will confirm to you how we see them in daily basis.

So why is you peoples own audio?
Why do you have to post a picture of people on three horses, of which a white man was riding one and another white man was holding one that someone dressed in Fulani/Tuareg veil mounted?

There was no white man only white cloth which is a main part of yoruba cultural festivals I mean look at the Osun festival everyone is wearing white and it's clear you don'tunderstand how photographs worked in the past with positives and negatives making some things whiter and other blacker

Elose11:
It was the British historians such as professor Robin Law, swayed by Reverend Samuel Johnson’s pretentious history of the Yorubas, that invented the claim that by the 1860s, Oyo had become the greatest empire in precolonial Nigeria. However, all the earliest writers of Yoruba history such as the Danmasanin Katsina and Sultan Bello in the 1880s, never mentioned of the existence of any Oyo empire.




The first Europeans to visit Oyo itself, including captain Hugh Clapperton and the Lander brothers never recorded that Oyo was an empire and neither did they speak of any great empire in the Oyo vicinity.

In 1668, Olfert Dapper described the Benin kingdom in details, but never mentioned any nearby great Oyo kingdom. However, the first documented mention of Oyo was two years later in 1671.

For hundreds of years, no precolonial European map mentioned any Oyo kingdom, let alone Oyo empire, even though the same European maps repeatedly depicted the Benin, Zegzeg, Borno and other kingdoms of those days.



More importantly, there has not been any documented evidence to prove that Oyo once conquered its neighbors into and empire. Dahomey, Akure, Ile Ife, Ilesha, the Owu, Ijesha, the Egba, Ijebu, the Ondos, the Owo, the Ugho, the Ekiti and a host of others, were never part of any Oyo empire.

Instead, in 1793, the Portuguese resident Archibald Dalzel, wrote as a living witness, that the Oyo kingdom was part of the Nupe empire, and was still paying annual tributes to the Etsu Nupes at the end of the 18th century.

The question we should ask ourselves is, how could Oyo have been one of the greatest empires in precolonial Nigerian history by the 1690s, when over one hundred years later in the 1790s, it was still a small kingdom paying tributes to the Etsu Nupes?

https://news-af.feednews.com/news/detail/fa1282be2b062b14907289a5e44d82e2?client=news

This is bullshit there is a map from the 1700s that clearly details an empire called Eyoe in the northern Yoruba area and on top of that in the oral history of Ilorin and Dahomey the Oyo empire is a main part to the story this isn't about the little research tat you've done it is a fact that there was an Oyo empire but how far inland it was, how hostile to white people they were and the fact that the empire was already in its end due to the yoruba civil war in the mid 1800s when Europeans began venturing inland is why there was no sign of the Oyo empire but the simply presence of Oyo Igboho and the ruins of Oyo ile is enough evidence why would there be massive 10 meter tall walls, clear religious objects and artefacts found in Dahomey and Ilorin claimed to be from the sacked city of Oyo Ile if it never exusted?

Gichwawa254:
nigga you don't know what you talking about comparing an intellectual giant Tom Mboya with an Nigerian fantastically dimwit IBO witchdoctor who is known only for Biafra war adventures, to like him is OK but comparing him to Mboya is an insult to memories of his fellow greats like Martin Luther King ,Sankara ,Malcolm X ,Lumumba who were killed n died for Africa liberation.
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Azikiwe wasn't eveen invovled in the fight for Biafra and had nothing to do with witchdoctors and Azikiwe met with and was friends with allm those people you mentioned he was a great man who led the fight for the independence of Nigeria and other African nations and helped in the fight for Nelson Mandela's execution to turn into imprisonment and on top of that his ideology literally influenced Mboya if you ever bothered to read you'd understand this and why do you think he was called Zik of Africa and not Zik of Biafra as you continue to foolishly claim in any case this argument is senseless they're both great men who fought hard for their people and for Africa and to say one doesn't compare to the other is outright foolish

Roan77:
Are you actually crazy? How can a city of 5-6 million people be empty?
Accra is a city of 4.5 million people, are you also going to call it empty?

In terms of the CBD and businesses filling it up go and look at Abuja majority of the buildings in the CBD are funded by the government and there are dozens of empty plots lying fallow

PROVERBZ:
everything in Abuja regarding horizontal infrastructure has been near perfect we expect big companies to build sky scrappers in the cbds and it would become are perfect city.

When the economy allows that will take place but for now Abuja is basically empty

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
somebody which is on employed can be doing well what about somebody in poverty

Are you okay? So an unemployed person isn't in poverty according to your metrics abi?

rvp2018:
He is a nobody outside Nigeria. Died 91 having not achieved what Mboya achieved in 20s.

Tom Mboya made 1960 Times headline
https://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1960/1101600307_400.jpg
http://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,894716-2,00.html


Kenya's Tom Mboya, 29, who used to be courted only by English left-wingers, now holds forth suavely as honor guest in the private dining rooms of London's largest banks and casually keeps a colonial governor waiting while he takes a shower.

Twenty years ago, handsome Tom Mboya was just another barefoot child in the untamed highlands of East Africa, where his people had only recently discovered the uses of the wheel. He was born to illiterate parents on the dried cow-dung floor of a grass-roofed hut on the sisal (hemp) estate of Sir William Northrup McMillan, who, a local yarn has it, won his 34,000 acres of Kenya highlands with a throw of the dice in Nairobi's Norfolk Hotel bar.

Tom Mboya has come a long way from his origins, but he remembers them and their rigid social order: at the bottom were the African workers, earning $3 a month in the sisal fields; then came the Indian shopkeeper, who sold them kerchiefs, trinkets and tobacco; on top were the few whites around.

"Do not set yourself against the white man," warned Tom Mboya's father, a sober, hard-working Jaluo tribesman who was the African headman at the farm's sisal-processing plant. "He is too powerful, and you cannot change him." But Tom Mboya recalls how riled he was at the sight of the stern estate manager, whom the Africans in fear called Bwana Kiboko—the boss who carries the hippo-skin whip.

You said Nkrumah didn't know Azikiwe I told you they went to Uni together in America and were good friends you deflected you then moved on to say Azikiwe wasn't known outside of Nigeria so I showed you the university hall in America named after him and you deflected again why's that? Nobody knows Mboya unless they studied Kenya but when it comes to pan africanism and radical movements in Africa Zikism is mentioned among the list of ideologies and political movements it's a fact there's no debate Azikiwe is more known and more recognizable then Mobya ever was and ever will be.

rvp20182:
I never heard of Azikiwe. You simply did not exist in Pan-Africa movement of them days. Nkrumah rose above all Nigeria uncharistmatic leaders of West Africa.

Been named after dept - while Tom Mboya was right there with John F Kennedy and Martin Luther King fighting for civil rights of black americans.

Tom Mboya address a civil rights rally in US with Martin Luther King

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XQcTPc_OZQ

Azikiwe went to the same school as Nkrumah they were best friends so stfu

rvp20182:
Only the ignorant like you dont know Tom Mboya,
Nobody knows Azikwe outside Nigeria.
Yes Kwame is known. Haile Selaise.Nyerere, Mandela, Kenyatta, Lumumba, Sankara - are well known.
But still none of them can measure to Tom Mboya except Mandela.

TOM MBOYA is not known by ignorant fools like most of you.

In 1958, at the age of 28, Mboya was elected Conference Chairman at the All-African Peoples' Conference convened by Kwame Nkrumah of Ghana.

He helped build to the Trade Union Movement in Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania, as well as across Africa. He also served as the Africa Representative to the International Confederation of Free Trade Unions (ICFTU). In 1959, Mboya called a conference in Lagos, Nigeria, to form the first All-Africa ICFTU labour organization.[6]

Mboya worked with both John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. to create educational opportunities for African students, an effort that resulted in the Kennedy Airlifts of the 1960s enabling East African students to study at American colleges. Notable beneficiaries of this airlift include Wangari Maathai and Barack Obama Sr. In 1960, Mboya was the first Kenyan to be featured on the front page cover of Time magazine in a painting by Bernard Safran.[7]

So little people know of Azikiwe outside of Nigeria that a whole department at a top university in America is named after him? Bro shut up

siofra:
Fighting tribal wars and oppressing women.

What kind of foolishness is this? Had the Fulani not burnt down Oyo Ile and the British not burned down 90% of our ancient cities maybe we'd know but based off of notes from European explorers our cities were grand go and read about Ancient Benin kingdom where the Europeans were amazed at the organization, the long straight roads and the massive streetlights running along all the roads we have a great history just that it may not be as grand as others but it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be appreicated

Grgton:
for how long Can we be having useless leaders Come to think of it; Nigeria is a combination done by Mr Lugard who is in hell now!! How can people be dying everyday like chicken

Here where When will this stop Be

It will stop when Nigerians wake up and start voting the right leaders from LGA to presidency how do you expect to get development when you vote in evil corrupt leaders even when we had a great chance in 79 with Awolowo, Azikiwe and Kano all in the elections Nigerians chose Shagari instead until we start voting in the right people nothing right will happen and that's the fact of the matter.