₦airaland Forum

saintmm:
Not ready to exchange words though, but, what can you say about Obj administration or didn't his parallel Buhari's? If there can be improvement in Obj administration as a civilian then, and Buhari was said to have become a democrat by his handlers, don't you think it will be unfair not to consider him the way Obj was considered or is what is good for goose not good for gander again?

Back to the topic I don't care your choice of their presidential candidate, I have a vote to cast, and that's the criteria to win my vote and those around me period.




I rise

Obj wasn't a good leader and was ridiculously corrupt there wasn't much improvement he massacred two whole villages in Bayelsa, killed protesters and students and jailed many dissidents against his government he only had to do the bare minimum to be considered a good leader because Nigeria was already perfect for growth due to all the good demographics.

Ovamboland:
All these kobo kobo parties joined PDP in 2019 yet no show.
Most of the new parties are media creations some issuing statements from inside their living rooms with zero connection with voters at the grassroots.

All the media guys, Sowore, Fela, Moghalu, Oby all performed woefully compared to candidate of ADC backed by some politicians. I hardly saw Mailafia of ADC campaign yet he got more votes than all the popular guys above.

One would think they would have learnt how to reach voters by they have not with this same media show

That is why I keep on saying in Nigeria it's the party name not the people representing it ADC without any campaigns or talk still got a lot of votes but the rest of them like Sowore, Durotoye, Moghalu, Oby etc. Couldn't get a lot of votes because they didn't have strong party structure backing them up which is why we need this new mega party to be created so we can field good candidates under a strong party system and hopefully that will be enough to get votes this time around.

rvp2018:
How did Slavery Contribute to Germany Development?

Germany is a different situation i'd have to read more on it but in terms of England, France, Spain, Portugal and Japan slavey and colonization played a great deal in their growth

hitmanogo:
From your write-up,is lejja the oldest cultural site in Nigeria? Older than Nok?

Yes seems like it other 500 years older then the Nok Culture

rvp2018:
Which slaves were in Britain or Japan or Germany

There weren't slaves in England or Germany but there were slaves in the Americas and some African countries whicjh they used for wealth and Japan had thousands of Korean and Chinese sex slaves and also slaves for their farms.

saintmm:
Until I see their presidential and gubernatorial candidates, the people running the actual structure of the party and their proactive and realistic manifestos, I ain't gonna take 'em serious!
All I see is a new set of elites that will brainwash us with English on the platform of empathy and scam us again.
APC comes to mind. The most destructive party ever emerge to govern Nigeria!

Let them be doing it we are watching...







I rise

APC quite literally fielded Buhari a person who had led in the past and destroyed Nigeria's economy if you actually believed that Buhari would be a good leader you are the problem for not learning from our past mistakes and most members of APC were once members of PDP or tried to be members of PDP.

Concerning the manifesto and candidates all of that should come in due time in my opinion Moghalu should be fielded as their presidential candidate and the rest like Falana, Sowore, Ezekwesili etc. Be fielded as gubernational candidates in their individual states that should be best and if Moghalu follows his manifesto we'd get our restructured Nigeria in 2 years so by 2025 we'd have a new constitution by 2024 and recurrent expenditures would be drastically reduced by 2025 as well so we'd be straight onto a path of prosperity and development.

rvp2018:
I am sure you failed your GCSE going by how your reason.
Understand the difference btw causality and causation.
Agrarian revolution needed labour.
Industrial revolution needed machines.
If I make a machine today - and I have no slave or colonial history - I will propser.
I dont need slaves to make a machine to automate work - and generate 100 times the output of a slave.
What do I need to make a cloth making machine or brick making machine or frying pan making machine? - I need know-how - I need my brains more than anything else - I need universities - I need research and development.

Once these machines were cranking - they were able to create immense wealth - more than all the previous wealth of slavery, agricluture and name it.

Actually I got an academic scholarship for my work during thr GCSEs which i'm stilll doing and industrial revolution needed a lot more then machines it needed money and that money came from the sale of agriculture from slavery as well as from resources obtained during colonization there's literally nothing to argue making machines was 10 to 20 times more expensive then it is today so they needed large amounts of wealth to start the industrial revolution it wasn't until the mid 19th century that the industrial revolution became relatively independent from slave labour

rvp2018:
That is nonsense. Please study industrial revolution in those countries.
It has zero to do with coloniliasm and slavery - and even with international trade.
Why was industry able to transform the economy.
Simple - industry has 10 mutli-plier factor compared to say Agricluture.
So those countries grew very fast as they manufactured goods.
You saw how China recently grew up fast as it embarked on manufacturing

Omds this is literally part of the GCSE course in England why would they teach it if it wasn't accurate? Children are told that the Industrial revolution started impart due to the wealth amassed from the slave trade and the agriculture that the slaves produced and the only reason why slavery and the slave trade ended was because the industrial revolution began, the industrial revolution would have taken way longer to start had slavery not occured and there's nothing to argue about.

donprinyo:
PDP tried in building a country while APC is just bring in fulani into Nigeria

PDP didn't try to build anything only Yar'adua made an attempt at destroying corruption and developing the nation the rest of them from LGA to President to Governor were all there to loot the country dry and pretend to try and develop with small projects like basic roads or boreholes.

pfadom:
Will these noise makers just keep quiet?

They only appear whilst the general elections approach. They cannot even win in their ward let alone LGAs just like Sowore got just 34k+ in a presidential election. Kingsley Moghalu and Fela Durotoye didn't even appear in the radar.

Please don't play with our emotions.

The general elections are in two years and this group started this plan over a year ago in 2020 long before the elections were approaching and the reason why they failed to win was because they didn't have a large political party backing them for a lot of Nigerians it's the party and its size that matters not who's representing them.

Hueman:
That estate is so badly planned. Whole community looks like a money laundering scheme.

There's literally nothing wrong with this estate it is perfectly well planned and it's a private project with 0 government involvement and no person who was or in government is involved in the project so money laundering is unlikely.

rvp2018:
Folks only two countries almost depended entirely on colonialism for their advancement - Spain and Portugal - the rest had very robust local economies based on industrialization - and the colonies were mostly a drain on their economies. Start with Britian - nearly all colonies were in the red - and needed injection of money from Britain. In fact US, Japan and German were able to avoid colonial cost/drain and grow faster - than Britain and France - who had to shoulder huge price trying to manage their mostly loss making colonies.

What made Britain, Germany, Japan. ITALY and France rich - INDUSTRALIZATION.

Now study the two European countries - that did not - industralize - but depend on plundering the gold and minerals of South America - Spain and Portugal.

The industrial revolution would have never happened without the money from the slave trade orthe money from colonialism that's a standard fact and most people unless you're an EDL member ( Racist, conservative, against immigration etc. ) in England know this fact no Europeann country would be where it is today without imperialism, slavery and colonialism they gained immesne amounts of wealth from them and it was that wealth tha they used to fuel their development

Hueman:
Are you talking about the party sowere is leading?

No there's a completely new one they're bringing together other 38 political parties in Nigeria to form a singular mega party it should be unveilee on October 1st and registered very soon.

harqinhola:
What is their MANIFESTO !

Everything is in the works as we speak including the logo and party name all we know is they have the money, they have the names and they have a plan

paramakina202:
I wish him good luck sha.

Me too cause if this works out then Nigeria could be changed forever I just hope they don't allow the mass decamping system between APC and PDP to begin in this party too.

Hueman:
That’s fine. We need a coalition of all the left leaning parties in Nigeria. Social democracy is better than what we currently have.

True it is but right now Nigeria isn't ready for the radical left it's likely Nigeria will remain a centre left/Social Democratic society for a long time to come and this should serve us right for the time being.

Personally I don't think MOP can win any meaningful election their numbers aren't large enough, too many Nigerians are scared of Marxism in general and they have no influential names in the party but there is a new massive political party currently in the works with the ideology of Social Democracy and centre left on the spectrum and currently already four parties have joined it and it seems that this party may be the viable third force us Nigerians have been looking for this whole time.

Think9ja:
You know this how?

Anyone who follows Nigerian politics knows this

paramakina202:
Prof Utomi is always forming new political party every election season.

This time he's not alone he has Chairman of SDP, ADC, KOWA and NCP as well as front running politicians and political activists like Moghalu, Bakare, Falana so the project doesn't rest solely on his shoulders but rather on the collective shoulders of several political parties and hopefully by October 1st it becomes dozens when they'll bring together other 34 political parties to unveil the movement and hopefully begin a mass merger

donprinyo:
Until we end ethnic and religious politics, we are not going anywhere

So now the conversation is about ethnic and religious politics and not the misrule of both APC and PDP?

Hueman:
Yes ohh they’re doing so many great things. I want to be the one to say that I’ve known about their party from the beginning. Read the manifesto and tell me what you think about it.

I joined back in January but I haven't really been involved in party activity since April

I've read the manifesto it's quite interesting but it seems i'm not as radical as the party leaders i'm more of a social democrat like Azikiwe and Awolowo

Hueman:
You should read MOP party manifesto. We explain our first 5 year plan in great details.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Sv5NCr0wWz5Pf3H6fFW_5NYjMigshmAL2kmmwlWBqQ8/mobilebasic

You’ll understand what I’m trying to describe. Please read it and let me know what you think. Thank you! I apologize for being an asshole

When did they make a manifesto? I haven't checked the telegram group in a long time have they really moved that fast? Wow

donprinyo:
Rome was not built in a day. Unemployment was far low compared to this tyranny government.

16 years is more then enough time for them to solve at least one of those problems or improve the situation the fact that you are still advocating for them even though it's clear that they had enough time to improve the nation but didn't shows that somehow you were benefitting from the previous system in place

Hueman:
In Nigeria because we don’t have enough money and enough resources we might have to use free labour to build all our new infrastructure. We can’t borrow from outside because they have put us in too much debt and we don’t want to be too dependent on them. We need the men building roads and dam. We need to women building new schools and hospitals. It’s not gonna be easy but it’s the needed sacrifice to fix this country. The party I support is even advocating for this. It’s not free labour in the sense of punishment but free labour in the sense of nation building. Because of how poor North Korea you you can understand why free labour is needed. Nigerians will happily do it because they all want better standards of living. When we improve our infrastructure FDI will significantly increase and our currency will get stronger again.

Nobody is advocating for free labour what is needed is for the government to invest more in agro processing and manufacturing and make it easier for companies to be set up in these spaces whether it be tax free, free land or even paying them to set it up that is the solution and as more revenue comes in more schools, hospitals, railways, dams, roads and even airports can be built.

jl115:
And why has it become such a strategic country??

Because of it's position in the world did I not mention that? This is literally part of the GCSE course in England there's a whole topic on Singapore and the main point is that 20% of the worlds trade goes through the strait of malacca which is where Singapore is all they had to do was build a port and the money flew in enmasse

donprinyo:
At least there was a working system u stupid boy.

A working system where there was still mass poverty, lack of housing, mass corruption, terrorism, no water, no electricity, barely any good roads and no railways, if that is what you want to continue for the next 8 years please be my guest but us true Nigerians will not accept any more years of corruption and poverty we must get the development we deserve

Enyimbamercedes:
Saboteurs!

Forget this third force nonsense! You are only going to split the votes and let the monster you all created continue in power.

The aim today should be to form a strong coalition with existing parties to wrestle power from the charlatans in the Villa

This group is literally already made up of members and heads of existing political parties in the report they said they have chosen the political party to head the new mega movement, Tanko is the national chairman of NCP and Moghalu is a member of YPP both of these parties will likely merge together along with dozens of the deregistered parties like KOWA and co. This 2023 if Nigerians have learnt anything they will choose this political party whatever its name will be other APC or PDP

abysirius:
Do they have the money to canvass for the support needed to win elections?

Of course Moghalu and Falana alone can finance the activities of the party

donprinyo:
I vote for PDP

Idiot so those 16 years weren't enough to show you that PDP will not bring us the change we need?

Emmhychidi:
It will not be a waste of time if we support them , shey una no want pdp and apc , vote this one na... I no understand shey una wan suffer for another 8 years again. And those people saying Nigeria would destroy na lie , nothing would happen to Nigeria, just that hunger would become worst and Nigeria may become as failed state but Nigeria would keep existing. So either we create a youth party or we choose this one.

Thank you my brother

OriOko88:
No Nigerian can rescue this nation,no matter how dogmatic and technocratic he may sound.
Nigeria is shall remain as it is forever. Until it breaks into pieces.

Nigeria can and will be rescued

Talawaka:
Too right. It is unfair to locate those two on the same axis as the nation's perennial rogues.

That being said, can anyone tell me when and where the First National Rescue Summit was held?

First was held in July of 2020 where they began plans to register a political party any time in 2021

Think9ja:
It still won't make Nigeria a better country.

It will definitely make Nigeria a lot better Ezekwesili, Falana, Utomi, Tanko and Moghalu are all very good leaders and are sure to lead Nigeria in the right direction if we the people give them a chance then we will see progress