₦airaland Forum

Hueman:
If China’s economy didn’t grow under MAO how come life expectancy increased significantly? Come on let’s think dialectically instead of being idealistic. Mao job was to remove traitors and opportunist from China. If Nigeria ever attempts socialism we will literally have a cultural revolution because we need to get rid of our corrupt political system and start over again. There are so many idiots willing to Uphold the status quo of this country. Our police don’t even benefit from Nigeria but see how they attack protesters fighting for their own rights. You really think re-changing a society is that easy. So no you’re wrong. MAO is the father of China. Chinese people still pay respects to him.

Is Nigeria's economy growing currently? No not really but guess what our life expectancy is still increasing so by your logic people will be able to praise all Nigerian leaders from 1960 till present because our life expectancy has increased consistently? Mao did not help that much he initiated socialism and started a cultural revolution but apart from that explain how he actually helped develop the economy the China of advanced technology, grand infrastructure and extreme manufacturing is the child of Deng Xiaoping and his massive economic reforms why do you praise Mao so dearly but not praise Deng as much?

jl115:
Ethiopia has never been colonised..........

They were for a brief period in the 1900s and stop acting like foreign backed coup and destabalization efforts haven't been used against African countries.

mtisTheQubit:
Africa may not have been as scientifically and economically sophisticated as the invading colonists, but they had their own systems of administration, cultural traditions, and faiths, as well as socio-political stability and peace to a significant extent.
Perhaps if the Europeans had not invaded Africa, the term undeveloped would have not existed since there would have been no country or continent to compare Africa to, and Africans would have just continued to spend their lives in contentment and isolation.

On the other hand, does this indicate that the European invasion and colonialism had no value for Africa? The question is whether Africans did not acquire something on which to rebuild after independence, regardless of everything they went through and lost during the colonial era.

People should just stop blaming white man for robbing Africa bare, claiming they are the source of Africa's current lack of development. They have so far placed less focus on what and why Africans have failed to achieve after independence, which I believe is partially due to the African folk's cultural and behavioral issues.

Africa would have achieved it's own industrial revolution had the Europeans not come and the eventual colonization was detrimental on African sciences and innovations because they were quickly replaced by European inventions miles ahead of them so there was no interest in local and indigenous innovation and you cannot deny that Europe has a detrimental factor on Africa especially France they hold the foreign reserves and control the economies of over a dozen African countries and they are able to get resources at a subsidized price from these countries because they help to keep the dictators in power so in return they get free resources like diamonds, uranium and oil apart from that they've also supported several horrible coups on righteous leaders the two greatest example being Sankara and Lumumba but the truth is they only account for 40% of our problems the rest of them are completely indigenous and do not as you wrongly said stem from our cultural or religious beliefs much to the contrary most Africans practice Abrahamic religions and their cultural views are western so majority of Africa's problems if you want to look at it culturally is born from a western point of view but we don't blame them or our culture for bad leadership who we should blame is ourselves for not voting in the right people or not fighting back against the wrong leaders.

Roan77:
And so do you believe Cubans lives a better life than Nigerians?

Technically it is they have better infrastructure, healthcare and education then Nigeria but at the same time in terms of food supply it isn't as good as in Nigerai but then Nigeria has this whole violence problem so it's difficult to come to a conclusion

mtisTheQubit:
So when do you think gonna happen ?

IMO should happen anywhere between 2030-2050 and if it doesn't happen within that time then there's no hope.

Nwchkwgz:
I agree with you
Jesus was misunderstood and still is till date

I don't believe Jesus ever existed he may have existed as a prophet but apart from that I don't believe in the son of God, revivial on third day and all the rest.

I await debaters

This thread is open to all traditionalists across West Africa

I am here to debate anyone who can prove beyond reasonable doubt that Ifa is bad and that Christianity or Islam are supreme above Ifa in teaching and practice and in its overall benefit for the people.

Nwchkwgz:
Solomon was a black man
Noah was a black man
If Solomon was black then is David and Jesus
Let’s not talk about this please I’m not in the mood
If you doubt me read songs of Solomon 1:6

Solomon was black and David was but by the time it reached Jesus time they looked more Arab and lightskin so no Jesus wasn't black and even if he was why does that make his teachings the same as ours? Skin colour isn't a basis for unitary beliefs

I await challengers

Nwchkwgz:
https://fb.watch/7Y1WHPxSBQ/
Here is a video of the ooni of ife confirming what I said too
And I made reference of the Bible because they were writing by our forefathers too you can check songs of Solomon 1:6 for more reference
And yes they were all blacks if not all 80%

The Bible isn't the same as our religion and isn't related to our forefathers let's get that fact right

Nwchkwgz:
right hand side of olodumare are stories for kids to understand creation so as we grow older we understand them better
Obatala and chineke are both the creative energies of the supreme God in which man was created..
Mistaken by interpretation
Just like devil ekwensu and esu is mistaken too
They are not evil
But they are the energies or spirit of temptation and magic
Remember job and Jesus were tempted with the permission of God in the Christian bible
That’s how it is
Obatala is the creative spirit in which man is formed
The Igbos call it chineke the creative spirit
I know that oba was a title given to someone who has mastered him self in time immemorial I don’t know what tala means maybe you can do your reasearch on that

Esu is more of a messenger though not temptation he's considered evil because he rules the crossroads as in different decisions you can make within a given situation so when things went wrong people cursed Esu which the British viewed as the devil i'm not sure about Ekwensu though and yes Obatala was the creative spirit that created man but Obatala is part of Ifa and Chineke is part of Odinani and in Odinani Chineke is the supreme God as Olodumare is the supreme God in Ifa so how are Obatala and Chineke the same?

This is also open to all niger congo languages and anybody near so the igbos, bini, ewe, ibibio, ejagham, ekoi, nupe, igala, jukun, akan etc. Can all join in this thread

I am calling all christians and muslims to prove with undeniable facts that their religion is superior to Ifa in practice, teachings and purpose.

Olu317:
Of course, there are loaned words across new entrant words into the learners language's community, so I don't see any big problem with such.But the question are :

Is yoruba language founded in Niger congo Basin?

Why is Yoruba language found among Coptic chritians ?

Why is the language related and share same lexicons with Yoruba's?

Who brought Yoruba language into the midst of ot speakers ?

How is it possible to speak classic Hebrew that is over 5000 miles apart from Yoruba land ?

However, once any loaned words supersede the learner's language, then the teacher's language dominates, which is unlike Yoruba's because she has nearly every created word for foreign or loaned words . Beside, Yoruba didn't meet Portuguese language in 17th or 16th century if I must be honest with you because of cognates via Arabic, Persians, Greek, Sanskrit{ oldest indo European language}, Latin - Roman language and English language. This information remain as a fact.

Funnily, this may look unbelievable before a lot of people and you but it is true if one understand Semitic language which is classified as non existence yet the writers of the Bible into English language who didn't understood the language they translated into English language through Septuagint(Greek),yet classified the language as non existence. Furthermore, historians acknowledge the writers of Hebrew descendants migrated into Sudan and disappeared without any trace.

In as much as my unreleased work is concerned , O dud Iwa is not not womb that created existence because O dud is different from Iwa. The name Iwa is worshipped in Ore grove which the elder association has Odu Iwa ; Igba Iwa in another way. So, don't be misled.

You guys are lost Iwa is simply character and Iwa pele is simply a good character

Nwchkwgz:
That is what Christians don’t understand.. when you die your chi doesn’t die it’s your body (ahu) that dies.. your spirit goes from the physical to the spiritual when it lives only for it to be reborn... our ancestors knew all of this
Your chi never dies it only changes form
The Igbo man believes in duality of our worlds
Your spirit or energy is immortal it can’t be destroyed it only changes form
This is the oldest religion in the world go and do your research
Igbo spirituality 101

This sounds exactly like the Yoruba religion

Nwchkwgz:
Igbos are ancient people from the lineage of obatala( chineke) they have the oldest religion known to man..
I studied Igbo spirituality for 8 months and I understand a whole lot about our world now
As for the op
I’m ready for him

Wait how does it make sense for Obatala to be Chineke? Obatala is the right hand man of Olodumare or the highest Orisa and Chineke is the supreme being who can only be equated to Olodumare or is there something i'm missing please elaborate.

Roan77:
Don't mind that guy, he want to use it political agenda to sell his lies.

There's no political agenda he just believes in communism

PROVERBZ:
There's is this Nigerian song that has blow up on the internet by ckay. Love nwantiti.
A morrocan guy made a refix, he was not featured. The song has blow up and now when people search the song, both of them pop up, the orginal and the Moroccan.
The original by ckay is at 29million views while the Moroccan is at 30million.

Random thought just popped up in my head to confirm what I had been suspecting for a very long time: that I am wicked.

If I was ckay I would have reported the Moroccan along time ago lol.

Even I would do that surely he can just copyright strike him on Youtube it's really easy to do it and 30 million views is not small money

Edited

Never mind he's still on the remix with the Moroccan so it's perfectly fine and even the one with 25 million views is a remix the original only has 4 million views so he knew what he was doing with all the remixes

Excerpts from a post by MOP

A thorough re-investment of resources, targeted at revamping the educational sector in terms of infrastructure, syllabus/curriculum restruture and human capital development, is undeniably central to the decolonization of our minds, and our educational system.

A plan for the indigenization of our courses and subjects, in both language and content has to be put in place... towards making sure that students at all levels are not being schooled or trained to possess skills that are not really relevant to the developmental demands of the society they live in. Our education must begin to feature more constantly, those procedures and technicalities that advance the cultural and native ethos that once made us self sufficient and independent - in our thinking and consequentially, in the systems we develop.

Hueman:
Cuba made a vaccine with a high efficiency rate. They have similar life expectancy to the richest country in the world. High literacy rate. Lower infant mortality than America. All these despite being banned from trading with the outside world. But sure communism has failed cuba lol. Cubans are living better than Nigerians . I won’t even bother commenting the rest cause sense hasn’t reached you

Nobody is buying Cuba's vaccine though if it was so good other countries would be trying to buy it, no?

obaaderemi:
It is tiresome arguing with a person who speaks from both sides of the mouth.

I stated it clearly in my first post that China only began to bloom when it embraced elements of capitalism. Now you are saying basically the same thing.

Economic growth under Mao averaged 4% or thereabout. Do you want to compare that with the effects and growth it experienced after liberalizing the economy, joining the WTO and embracing capitalism more than before? Now the economy is almost overheating.
Same goes for Vietnam which was a mere backwater until it also started veering towards capitalism.

You need to read about Mao's failures and the many deaths that came from his handling of the Chinese affairs. If communism was so hot why didn't the USSR and even China stick wholly to it?

Oga, stop telling us ignorant nonsense here. The world knows better now.

Communism in its original form is dead and buried. If you like, get on the next plane to north Korea. It's your funeral.

Exactly it was the Socialist with capitalist tendencies policy that allowed Chian to get where it is but concerning communism some could argue that you need loads and loads of wealth in order to start communism in full it is a stage by stage process first capitalism then social democracy then socialist market economy then socialism then a sort of state capitalism then communism but these stages would take at least 140 years too achieve and trillions of dollars in wealth the USSR struggled because they didn't have the wealth to maintain it so it will be interesting to see when China attempts to do it as the world's largest economy and tens of trillions of dollars in wealth

Hueman:
This is such an ignorant statement chaiii I don’t even know where to start. China is where it is now *because* of the work of hundreds of millions of communists, very much including Mao, Deng, Hu, and XiZ. The Great Northern famine killed millions, not Mao. The problem of famine was in fact ended during the Maoist period.

I hope it is obvious, but whenever you criticize a country -- particularly when you use terms like ‘evil’, ‘monster’, and ‘genocide’ --- you are implicitly arguing that your own country does not do the same or worse. Since the USSR/China is accused of killing millions of people, the default assumption then is that the US, Britain, France, Germany, Japan, and the other countries which make up the imperialist powers of the world have killed zero people. It’s even funny because these people practiced capitalism to do it but you’ve convinced yourself that capitalism is a good system. The list of deaths goes on and on, of course, as anyone in the global south knows all too well. Analyzing societies is complex, nuanced work. It requires that we recognize the many contradictions that all societies have, and that the modern nation-state is built on blood, full stop. Yet what do we make of those attempts to marshal the vast power of the state to ends that genuinely meet peoples’ needs? What do we make of that? The bourgeoisie regards it as one of the great evils of history, and on this basis alone we should study it. But then we come to find that apart from the lies told about socialism, it has a record of actually delivering what it has promised: rapid industrialization and economic growth, and an economy that is structured for the needs of the average person. (while recognizing that the capitalist powers and the global marketplace put limits on the power of any state). How do we know that peoples’ lives were better under socialism? Well we could look at literally any measure of human well-being that social science has. All of them, from caloric intake, to life expectancy, to infant mortality, to literacy, to absolute poverty, etc show. the successes of structuring society so that it meets human needs rather than capitalism, which is based on what most effectively puts society’s wealth in the hands of the few. Oga, the bourgeoisie has tried to fool us into thinking that socialism is the great killer and oppressor of humanity. No, we will not be fooled. That dubious crown is held by capitalism.

What economic changes did Mao do that made China's economy boom? Go and read about when China really started growing and industries were flooding in it started under Deng with his massive economic reforms hr is the father of modern China's infrastructure

Olu317:
Smiles. Ogboni is not any group of priests of Ifa. And this information of yours is not inline with ORF or the ibìlẹ̀ version. Ifaodu is a stand alone institution of cosmology, Yoruba language, religious world view, political, Yoruba memoir, science,medicine, commerce and guide to all other facets of Yoruba mode of life.

Besides, it is always great when one doesn't get messed up while posting wrong information about an association one has no knowledge of either as a potential member or non member.

Seriously, if you want you to know about ogboni,which is not a demonic thing or association but certain information must not be posted in the public domain.

It takes nothing much from you if you're interested, because the way you asume about the sect is wrong because there is nothing bad about the association until you are a member after being initiated in which you obey the rules and regulation as stipulated by the sect's constitution.

Ogboni as an association has a code of conduct and they are seen everywhere, in which you can talk to them without being harrassed by the sect members and be made comfortable

ROF or ORF as you wrongly called it is a christian society the original Ogboni was a social, religious and political association relating to an earth God of the Yoruba people and it is indefinite that Ifa was used in the association due to the fact that it involved decision making

Hueman:
Yes he did.

No he didn't he caused famines, killed millions and destoryed culture and religion in China it was the economic reforms of Deng Xiaoping that transformed China's economy Mao was just the loudest.

rvp2018:
Religion is one of good things - our animistic witchcraft voodo religion was bad.
Evil things - minority rule, racism, discrimination, cruelty, forced labour

Now you've pissed me off wdym by witchcraft and voodoo all western words and points of view what do you even understand of our traditional religions.

rvp2018:
Precisely. There is the tendency to deny all the good the coloniliasm brought and only talk about the evil. This is why African never learnt anything. We should have learnt the good and great things European brought - as we did away with the evil. Countries that look at this soberly even invited some European to stay around with their expertise's. Even now countries should not shy away to ask for technical assistance from advanced countries - be they Chinese or Whites.

What evil? As long as you don't say religion i'm good

Hueman:
China and Vietnam are ran by socialist trying to achieve full communism. These things takes time to achieve. Because....

1) Vietnam and China are victims of colonialism and imperialism so they are still working hard to improve the standards of living for their citizens. It’s not easy especially when your population is high. Comparing these countries to western standards is very unfair because the west built its wealth from colonialism, imperialism, slavery,etc....

2) you need to learn what these countries were like before they attempted communism. China was a poor feudal society. Their economy grew a lot under MAO so saying communism never benefited them is very hilarious. Plus you ignore how the fall of the ussr negativity affected every communist countries. They couldn’t trade with other capitalist countries because of Cold War infighting and hostility. Due to this every communist country was dependent on the USSR, the fall of the ussr forced countries like China and Vietnam to liberalize their economy so they can access foreign capital and use it to benefit them. Remember these former colonized countries barely had capital or good human capital because the whole country was held back by colonialism and imperialism. So opening up their economy was logical for them.

Look at how these countries handled the pandemic compared to capitalist countries like India, Brazil, America, France. China and Vietnam did the logical thing of pausing rent and mortgage payments and bringing their economy to a stop. That’s what happened when your country is ran by a bunch of socialist. India not doing caused a huge spike in the spread of this disease and it costed many life’s.


Mr man pls take a book and read instead of speaking confidently on things you don’t know.

Mao didn't do shit China's economy started growing fast under Deng Xiaoping who introduced the socialist market economy that allowed China to industrialize rapidly.

Hueman:
It’s very disappointing to not see Lagos high on the list tbh but then again it’s not surprising cause everyone there is obsessed with being like Dangote.

True but i'm sure in a few years with our conscousness movements we should be able to bring Lagos up on the list

Hueman:
The website I got this data is from “ google trend”

Bayelsa got the most revolutionary potential. We gotta set up organization there.

Definitely i'm also seeing Enugu, Plateau, Osun and Oyo as potential bases

theInterpreter:
just keep your ideas to yourself abég

Nigeria is a type 6 society that will only become worse with the introduction of any type of communism

Bro that's why I said we shouldn't embrace or even use communism cause it can never work we should adopt social democracy or a socialist market economy that's the best system for Nigeria either Awolowo or Xiaoping or even in between

theInterpreter:
did Benin Republic not embrace communism?

The problem was they embraced communism and the wrong type of it they did what Cuba and North Korea did instead of what Vietnam did but in any case only socialism can work and should be practiced

holarmhylekan:
How do I join the movement?

type in t . m e / m o p n i g e r i a ( Without the spaces ) that's the telegram group where discussions are done for now

then the website is mop.org.ng it isn't fully completed so not all parts of it are completed but some information can be gotten from it

Instagram is mopcentre

Twitter is movementofthep1

Facebook is movement of the people

YouTube is mopcentre

You can get information on the party and updates from all those different places