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This is the usual retort that the persona of Christ is a mystery "difficult for the carnal mind to understand ". Can you back this claim with a biblical verse.

The jesus that the Holy Quran refers to has nothing to do with the people calling themselves xtians today.

As a muslim, I am more xtian than you, if xtianity means following the teachings of Crist (pbuh).

1. I worship as he did in Mathew 26 v 39.
2. My wife wears veil as Gen 24v 65 commands.
3. I say " Peace be upon you" when I meet a group of people as Jesusu(pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh) said in John 20v21.
4. I worship only one God which Jesus himself called Elah or Alah, Ela, Eli, or Allah, howsoever you want to spell it. See Matt 27v45-46.
5. I believe in the 'comforter' or Prophet Muhammad which Christ himself prophesied in John 16v7.

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you"

The condition for the coming comforter is that Jesus has to go b4 he comes. But the Holy spirit was already there with Jesus, if you want to claim that this prophesy refers to it. Jesus even prayed to his disciples when he sent them on a mission by saying " Receive ye the holy spirit " So since this condition of the prophesy was not fulfilled by the holy spirit, who fulfils it? The correct answer is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). If you say no, you must give proof as I have done.

6. I do pilgrimage in Bacca as both the bible and quran calls the place Psalms 84v1to10.

So in PRACTICE I am more xtian than you but in RHETORIS, I admit, you are more xtian than me. And b4 you come up with another predictable line of defence. Christ said " Iam come not to destroy the Law but to fulfil it".

But I understand that Paul, who persecuted Christ and his disciples during their lifetimes now satanically turned around and whispers to you in Ephesians 2 v 14 to 15 that the law was abolished.

So isn't it irrational that you disbelieve in what Christ and his disciples practiced and taught in their lifetime only for you to now believe the account of one of their lifetime arch enemy who claimed he saw Jesus on the Road to Damascus and Christ told him the law was abolished? And yet you sheepishly believe Paul and jettisoned the correct teaching of Christ?

It is not too late for you to repent and worship one true God called Allah or God or whatever beautiful name you want to call him as the Quran says. If you are sincere about finding the true God to worship, I give you one challenge to take up tonight.

When you go to bed today, b4 you sleep, pray to God (howsoever your mind defines him) with sincerity of mind and ask him just one thing, thus:

"Oh God if you are there, show me in my vision today, the religion most pleasing to you"

And, call me a basterd if God didn't show you that religion most pleasing to Him in your vision tonight--but on one condition that you pray with utmost sincerity of purpose.

Update me tomorrow about what you saw. God bless you.

WizzyVine:
Thanks for your analysis. These are Spiritual things, very difficult for the canal mind to grasp.

Jesus was man in His flesh but God in His spirit.

A man is a spiritual being clothed with flesh inhabited by a human spirit. Jesus was a spiritual being clothed with flesh inhabited by a divine Spirit.

He was both human and devine. We who are spiritual can defferentiate between His humanity and His divinity. That's why He did what humans do, and also did what only God could do. It's the reason why Jesus said "I and my Father are one." John 10:35. And of course He is the Messaih, the Saviour.

The Quoran also confirms Jesus as the Messaih. Messiah means 'The One anointed to save'. The Saviour. The Messiah was promised to Israel more than 500yrs before He came.

Salvation too is what only God can do. Only God can save. And of course, that was the reason Jesus came into the world. He came to save.

Jesus will come again. This time, He'll come to judge. The Quoran also confirms Jesus as the coming judge.

In every wave of deception, there's always little lights and small quantities of truths that would not be carefully covered. This gives room for the discerning to get to embrace the truth.

Do not buy the lies that your clerics sell to you about Paul. Paul isn't the founder of Christianity as they make you believe. Paul was a strong persecutor of the Christian faith, who killed many Christians and imprisoned some before Jesus apprehended him. Paul was on his way from Jerusalem to Danascus to kill more Christians when Jesus appeared to him on the way. That was the day Paul himself became a Christian.

Truth is in your book my friend. The everlasting arms of the Messaih still awaits your embrace. Jesus is indeed the coming judge. He will judge the world in verity and truth.

Idiotic and moronic old, ugly lady

You displayed an embarrassing ignorance of what islam is. How many books on islam have you read? You are not worth my engagement because you are an onlooker in this civilisational clash. What civilisation have you?

egobetatoday:
You said 'If islam is that violent you think we would willingly choose to believe in it as rational human beings? This made me laugh. Are u really rational? Do you think killing/beheading is right for blasphemers according to your religion and the example your prophet gave u all? U need to evaluate your own rationality yourself. No doctor can help you all! Do you think a mad man knows he is mad? Even if you point out his unclothedness to him, hell claim the clothed are the mad pple. that's what Islam looks like. no matter how they kill they call it peace. It is actually very difficult to make a mad man accept that being nude shows insanity, so also muslims. Anytime u accept that killing is wrong and all muslims are sympathisers of Islamists then you'll discover how wrong Islam is.

This writer the north will continue to hunt you for the rest of your life.

Which of the Biblical gods are you referring to? Jesus or God the father for the two are not the same . Jesus says " my father is greater than all". Jeaus says he doesn't know about the hour. So if here God as you have been deceived by Paul into believing, he would have known about the hour. He also wouldn't have said his father is greater than him. Your belief is very confusing and contradictory. Otherwise, explain to me how Jesus can be God by saying all of these things. He ate, he slept, did everything men did. Yet " He that keeps israel neither sleeps nor slumber". Jesus slept. What say thou?

WizzyVine:
May God forgive your ignorance, and deliver you from the lies and deception that your religion has sold to you.

Let me tell you that the God of the Bible is the Creator of the universe and the judge of the whole world.

You want answers for the annihilation of the Amalekites? I will tell you.

The Amalekites were a sinful nation. They burnt their children as offering to their gods. They practised homosexuality and filled their land with violence. God was determined to punish them, but as at that time God had not introduced the concept of eternal punishment in hell. That period, every physical offence attracted a physical punishment.

God has been observing them since the days before Abraham. God told Abraham in Genesis 15:16 that He's still watching them, and that after 4 generations (400yrs), if they refuse to repent, He'll annihilate them and replace them with Abraham's children.

God watched them shedding blood, doing violence and killing their own children for their idols for 400 years!! He kept His promise to Abraham by sending in the Isreali army 430yrs after, led by Joshua to bring judgement upon the land.

Listen, that's the same way God will bring judgement upon this satanic world and consume it with fire.

God is a just Judge. He cannot err in judgement. All His works are verity and truth.

You are so credulous! This might be an attack by white far right anti semitic Austrians or a sting operation or even a rogue intelligence operations to achieve certain electoral agendas. Yet you cancelled out all of these possibilities in order to vent your hate against ur object of hate: islam/muslims . If these two (Islam and muslims) are truly your object of hate, then you will either die of hypertension or suffer stroke or have both ailments b4 you go back to your maker because there is no amount of Western propaganda, intimidation, cajolery, rogue intelligence operations to demonize muslims that can shake our faith or make islam relent in its rise. Who are the muslims? Are we not? If islam is that violent you think we would willingly choose to believe in it as rational human beings? Out of the muslim people you know of, how many are violent, extremist or terrorists? Take yourself out of this, for the West is only displaying its intolerance to allow a people have a civilisation that is not theirs. As a Christian, you don't have any civilisation, so this doesn't concern you. Just keep on going to enrich your pastorpreneurs every sunday and be listening to their motivational talks. When two great world civilisations clash, an uncivilized xtian like you should be an onlooker.

Makavelli25:
The ozzer religion at it again.


Oya close your eyes and type Islam


Me :: Terrorist

Lol, I didn't expect u to agree that the Lord Resistance Army and Crusaders were acting in the name of xtianity coz while success has many friends, failure or terrorism is an orphan.
U didn't respond to the Amalekites annihilation by your "loving" Christian God. By the way, if Jesus were to come today and u called him jesus, he wont answer you coz this wasn't his name. Hope you also know this basic fact?

jeruzi:
The only thing I like about your write-up is the fact that you acknowledge that the God of the Holy Bible is different from the God of the quran.

It is very funny how you muslims change narratives to suit yourselves.

What you blame the crusaders for was first done by the muslims who around 636 AD conquer Jerusalem and took it over. I do not support violence, blood shed nor what the crusaders did, but can you deny the islamic jihad. NATO is an organisation of countries which include Turkey and Albania which are islamic; stop falsifying facts. And the Lord's resistant army you talked about is not a Christian organisation but an occultic and political organisation.
Will you talk about the Muslim conquest of Persia or their attack against Europe? Many of the countries which are islamic today we're once Christians and pagans and we're wondering over by war. Don't claim innocence.

This is Nigeria. Talking about Nigeria, all the killings and attacks being carried out by Muslims in the north has no justification. You and other muslims have problem with the truth. When muslim kills or does what is wrong, you either keep quiet or justify it, but when the attacked defends himself, you change the narrative just like the writer of the post did.

He didn't say that the muslim guy stabbed the Igbo fisrt, but jumped from argument to burning properties. That is how you guys are. I dealt with many of you.

Christians don't take up carnal weapons to fight. I don't know how old you are, but apart from tribal fights, how many times have you heard that Christians suddenly gather to attack muslims?
Jesus loves you.

Are you aware of what the crusaders did in Jerusalem to jews and muslims in the name of xtianity? Are u aware of what the Lord Resistance army did in Uganda? Are you aware of what the Christians did to muslims in Spain? Are your aware of what the Christian America did in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places? Are you aware about what NATO, a conglomerate of all xtian countries did in the muslim countries in Libya? Are you aware of what the xtian European colonialists did in muslim countries? If we are to associate the actions of a people with their religion, Christians takes the terrorist crown. This is clear to all except those who don't know ancient and contemporary history, and to be Frank, you come across as one.

Scripturally speaking, it is a well known fact that the Bible is the most violent book on the face of the earth. Remember bro it is the God of the bible that orders for the complete annihilation of the Amalekites, both men and women, infant and child, ox and donkeys etc. So, know thy past and present before nitpicking on the past or present of others . Because you live in a glass house, you shouldn't engage in the game of stones throwing.

jeruzi:
No. I wouldn't like to distract the thread, but I must set things straight for you to know. When attack comes from muslims, most especially in the north, the handwriting is always there. Muslims have their signature chant which they always say. (Arabic declaration ). People that have been their victims have said this several times. Also, who will deny that what boko haram or ISWAP is doing is islamic? Their agendas are all spelt out and are islamic. Without being biased, even you know that these crimes can not be denied. But you can't say so for Christianity. Let the true light of God shine on you.
You are loved by God, give Him place in your heart.
No prejudice, the signs are just there.

If only you apply this skepticism at the news of anything coming from the north! But you are, unfortunately, this skeptic when the attackers come from your tribe or religion. Yet with this double standards, you might still call your self a moral or religious (wo)man who probably goes to the church every sunday. Your likes are the reasons why young men join atheism these days coz you preach one thing and practice another. May God almighty guide you aright

jeruzi:
How do you know the people that did it are Christians? Nigeria has two religions. These religions are assumed to be three; Christianity , Paganism, and Islam. The problem is that many at times you blame Christians for the crime committed by the pagans.

We don't know if the people spare heading the fight are Christians or not. They could beanybody fighting for their tribes man.

Now that they have attacked mosques and businesses of the northerners, they want to console us with this rubbish ,abi? We'll not forget.

If only you apply the same objective standards when reports of attacks ooze from the north. But alas, whatever trash the media feeds you with u swallow hook, line and sinker because of the ingrained hatred you have against islam and muslims.

HAPPINESSSS:
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I HOPE ROOMS WILL BE GIVEN FOR THOROUGH INVESTIGATION,



THE HAUSA'S HAVE SPOKEN, LETS HEAR FROM IGBOS,

THE IGBOS ARE NOT THAT DUMP TO JUST START BURNING SHOPS AND MOSQUES BECAUSE OF FARE ARGUMENT.

ALSO LETS EMBRACE PEACE VOILENCE IS NEVER THE BEST WAY TO SOLVE ANY ISSUES.

Do these people think they have monopoly of violence? If it were some churches that have been attacked in the North, cochroches, rats, hyenas, and Neanderthals would have crept out of their holes and caves to attack islam. But see as nobody connects these obvious acts of terrorism with xtianity.

So only an army General from the non- quota system south possess this quality. You clearly lack many of the qualities you mentioned by being biased, dishonest and devoid of any integrity. Why are u ppl so foul-mouthed, you can intellectually engage with those holding opposing views from yours without resorting to insults. You are so uncouth and uncultured

LordOfTheGame:
Shut up your stinking mouth! Army general my foot. Quota system general. If you don't know what it takes to be an army general, let me tell you. Honesty and integrity, hard work, discipline and unbiased mind. Corrupt free and quality education. No religious/ethnic leanings and no contacts with any terrorists organisation. But your stupid almajiri/sharia general lacks all these and many more.

That's how coward behave before they meet eyeball to eyeball with their object of hate. Reno that looks like a lanky Kenyan lady wants to pick a fight with an army General of the Buratai make. Some people know how to brag. Reno build your womanish physique first b4 day dreaming of engaging an army general in a combat. Anybody with the slightest of knowledge of what it takes to be an army general knows your only displaying your tomfoolery publically .

True. There are contradictions even on the same supposed Sonship/Godship of Christ (pbuh). In the book of Psalms for e g , David is called the "begotten son of God" same as Jesus (pbuh). I wonder why xtians do not worship David who has the same biblical honor as Christ. If jesus were God, I also wonder why he said " my father is greater than I", " Hear o Israel, the Lord your God is ONE". If he were God or his coequall I also wonder why he does not know about the hour which he says " no man knows about except the father in heaven". If he, prays to Allah at the cross by saying " Elah Elah lama sabacathani " meaning " oh God or God why have you forsaken me", this means he is not God and the name of God during his time and always has been Elah, Alah, Allah as one of the variants quoted name in the bible indicate. Pls bro educate me , I am sincere in trying to know more about these things

Notatribalist:
I am a Christian. But their are contradictory verses in Bible nan,should we say the bible is not author by God?Reno needs to keep quiet sometimes

God has got sons in the bible by the tons. Adam, Abraham, Israel, etc are all said to be the sons of God. So why pick only 1 to worship? Jesus says: " I can of my own self do nothing ", "my father is greater than I", etc. In fact when jesus was taken to the cross he called out in prayer to Allah by saying " Elah Elah lama sabacathani " meaning " o God o God why have you forsaken me". So to which God is Jesus your God crying out to if he were God. And you you say he is co equal to God, he himself says in the Bible that " my father is greater than all" . Is equality and greater than the same thing? In Psalms, David is proclaimed as " the begotten son of God" so God has dozens of sons including begotten sons like David and Israel as reported in psalms and other books. Xnity is the most irrational, contradictory, unscientific thing you'll ever find. Every xtian knows in his heart of heart that there is alot of unexplained questions in the bible especially regarding who Jesus is. For he, jesus, himself says " hear or israel, your lord is ONE " . He also told Mary
Madgalin that " Iam ascending into my Lord and your Lord, my God and your God", yet the brainwashed xtian who does not have a head for critical thinking will believe otherwise simply because the Church and the Roman's wanted him to , so to help with whatever the scriptures say. Shame.

Shariah by another name! Una go see the light eventually! Madness never pays!

Are u sure you know what you are talking about, otherwise what is the difference between Denmark and Netherlands?

Pesb:
Finland, Denmark, Netherlands, Ireland, Australia, new Zealand & Japan

So what saith thou now that it was discovered that it was a far right french national that carried out the knife attack?

Karlovich:
Okay Mr apologist, one of the perpetrators gave his name as Brahim, one yelled God is great before the attack. If you are suggesting that the attack is a form of retribution for what happened during Algerian independence then you know nothing about history and I'm sorry to say that you are sick. North Africans invaded southern Europe for centuries in the past, tell me who is punishing the present day North Africans for it. I suppose the old woman and others killed oppressed Algerians during independence

Has investigations been concluded and the assailants confirmed to be muslims or are you just speculating and hating? Even if it were a muslim terrorist who did it, do you honestly think he represents the majority of over 1.6billion peaceful and law abiding muslims scattered across the globe? Or better still, are you aware of the atrocities France committed in its former muslim colonies? If you are not, just recently France return dozens of skulls of Algerian muslims who were beheaded by France because they exercised their freedom of speech or right to self rule thereby opposing the forcible colonization of their countries by France. The Quran(5v8) has a message for you, as a believer (in Christ)

"O you who believe, stand up as witnesses for God in all fairness, and do not let the hatred of a people deviate you from justice. Be just: This is closest to piety; and beware of God. Surely God is aware of all you do."

Karlovich:
Another one from the fools that abandoned their original shithole countries due to unrest and at the same are unwilling to abide by the laws and enjoy the freedom of their new country. Maybe Europe and other first world countries should stop accepting them. Saudi Arabia, Qatar and UAE should start accepting them. Woke EU countries should better wake the f**k up

Where are the America-boot-licking, Trump-as*-licking IPOB? Come and stew in the juice prepared for you by your beloved America and Trump.

That you believe a so called market chairman could single-handedly divert Benue's palliative even when he's not an indigine tells alot about your ability for critical thinking.

DonFreshmoney:
Why employing a market chairman from Kano in the first place? Are they no Benue indigenes to be in that position? Useless Governor

Which US? Hope not the Trump's USA that IPOB miscreants are falling over themselves to bootlick, fawn over and support unconditionally! What a stab if it's that same USA!

Na dem!

That serves you right educated illiterates! You think you knew it better than everyone else, right? Let your darling protesters give you protection, nincompoops!

You admitted to killing muslims and now you are calling my bluff to dare attack xtians. So the lives of muslims are legitimate target for you xtians while those of xtians are sacrosant. Is this what xtianity is all about? No wonder your God says " Iam come not to bring peace but a sword"

cktheluckyman:
If dem born una well try harming any Christian after your Friday's prayers let's see who the coward is

One Nigeria or not, all I know is that the north (and other regions) can take care of themselves in case of every eventuality. Though no part of Nigeria will not miss the other in whatever small way, I believe each and every region can depend on itself when the chips are down. I hate it when northern leaders make it appear as though we cannot survive if Nigeria disintegrates. Anyway it is because a united Nigeria benefits only the (northern) elites that they're advertising a position any average northerner does not subscribe to or even hates

Coward what did you do in the past apart from chest beating. You have now admitted that you started killing innocent muslims first and now you are chest beating that there must be no reprisal attacks. You want to visit violence on others but you dislike same visited on you, see your selfish, unconscionable life! Shame on you!

cktheluckyman:
Just make the mistake of retaliating now and see the real madness.Fulani herdsmen have been killing all these while without any reaction from the south
Just start any rubbish these Friday and see reprisals all across southern Nigeria.
Everywhere is red-hot now.From PH to Warri from Onitsha to Aba.Just start any rubbish now

Whoever attacks innocent muslims or their mosques takes a debt repayable someday. Nobody has monopoly of violence.

Good. The govt should leave them with their darling "peaceful protesters" and area boys to provide security for them.

Punch and inciting news story as though they think if there is anarchy they'll have the space to practice their yellow journalism.

Useless woman. Show me any of her son or daughter participating in the End SARS protest if you wanna me to take the woman seriously