Janosky:


Church of Pastorpreneurs, Daddy/Mummy G.Os
and cult of personality gods of men operating business franchise for fleecing gullible sheeples & passing the loot

Yes o! and those ones too

Maximus69:


He's expecting you to quote the verses then the arguements on choice of words regarding the versions will come up.
If he can't figure out the answers in the cited scriptures, then he needs a free home Bible study to be conducted by a fully competent and completely equipped JW brother!

You must really have mind reading abilities.
It must be a Jehovah-given gift, right?

You mentioned a competent JW brother schooling me... it is a nice suggestion. How many of the Elders from the Kingdom Hall have recoiled at sound doctrine from the person who bears the moniker, Acehart? Maybe you will end up lambasting them for being false JW elders.

Please sir from the Kingdom Hall, don’t flatter yourself. I know JWs are the present day “Elijah” -"What are you doing here, Elijah?" He replied, "I have been very zealous for the LORD God Almighty. The Israelites have rejected your covenant, I am the only one left“

As Elijah’s time faded away, so your time will fade away because the Lord will return to meet a Church without spots and wrinkles - yours can’t boast of that.

Emmanuelcann:
They definitely keep their guard up! There is only one gospel to preach regarding the great commission in Matthew 28:18 - 20 "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:
Secondly Independent Baptists are generally different from the Nigerian Baptist convention churches who seem to have become Pentecostal.

Cc: chukwunweikeemi

You would have to visit the Independent Baptist Church at Festac if it is convenient.

Emmanuel, I never knew such a dichotomy existed in the Baptist movement. It is nice to know.

Have a lovely week ahead.

Janosky:




Bros, no be fight, I have no bitterness in my bones

Your claim is FALSE.
Those scriptures I cited on this thread shaped my convictions about God.

Bros, you don't need any paper qualifications to understand John 20:17, John 17:3, John 14:28, Ephesians 4:6 or Revelations 3:5,12.

Welcome from the field. You haven’t answered my question. If you wouldn’t answer, no wahala. Rest.

Emmanuelcann:
Definitely not Independent Baptist Churches. I was saved at Independent Baptist Church Festac and they still preach salvation by grace through faith!

Though the Baptist Churches are founded on the Baptist confession of Faith, going by what is sounded on the pulpit in Baptist Churches here in the South West, messages tilt towards Salvation by works or the keeping of your salvation through works. It may not be a Sunday tonic of the pulpit in the adult church but many teenage churches are a-washed with this false doctrine. The Pentecostalisation of the Baptist Church here in the south west is real; Salvation by works, a doctrine of Pentecostals, is preached in many forms.

I hope the Independent Baptist Church in Festac keeps its guard up in the truth you speak of because many Reverends in the Baptist Church are Baptist by day and creep to those Highway camps at night. It is really bad.

sonmvayina:


He ceases to be God... Because he will be limited by time and space.. Does not even make a remote sense at all... So how can Steve job be part of iPhone, assuming he is still alive.. Or Mr Toyoda be part of Toyota camry.. Visualize it..

You are correct. He was limited. We Christians say Christ was the God-man. He ceased to be God in many instances; where He was 100 percent limited by time and space-this He chose; and rather than annihilating many for the good of few like V.I.K.I chose to, He decided to kill one person for the good of many. For V.I.K.I to implement the three laws, she had to be involved in human life through the utility of robots; for God to execute the requirements of the law, He had to be involved through the utility of human flesh.

Cars don’t employ intelligence and fluid laws. The only ways the makers can be involved in their products are through voice or video messages. If cars were made to assume the form and DNA of their makers, then there would be a way for the makers to transform into the form of their creation. If you look at the creation of Victor Frankenstein, part of his alchemy was a sample of his blood. The monster he created was intelligent and non-violent until he didn’t fit into the world. With Victor’s formula, even in death, he could be reborn in the form of his creature.

It all depends on the laws of the creator which no creature can fathom with his limited mind.

chukwunweikeemi:
@Acehart,thanks for your response.I just called the church now and I asked them if they have any branch close to Mile2/Ajeguunle and they said no.I then asked if they can recommend any church around these area and they promised to find out.So I'll call back.Thanks again.Happy Sunday.

Thanks

sonmvayina:


Just think about it for a moment..use your brain..it is not decoration..God created heaven and esrth..agreed..so how can he also be part of earth? Is he not supposed to be outside of it..just like steve jobs and the iphone he created..

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness”.

I wish I could paraphrase accurately that verse in the Book of Genesis.

Remember those three laws of robotics - Asimov’s three laws? Here they are:

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2. A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

In iRobot, one robot decides to ignore the three laws and another decides to uphold the three laws. Concerning the later, V.I.K.I., the mainstream computer, with her superior intelligence decided that the three laws allow for the development of a broader morality. Recognising that humanity is set on a course of destruction, she determines that the sacrifice of humanity's freedoms is essential. On top of that, some people must be killed for the greater good of the remaining humans. Concerning the former, the who ignored the three laws, Sonny transformed into a human, having human-like dreams and thoughts.

Why I speak about the Asimov’s law is this: V.I.K.I by implementing of the laws, acts like a god. But she is a creation; What gives her the right to choose who to exterminate? But she does so by being involved in the everyday life of her creators.

So by Laws (embedded in that part of the verse) known to God, He can decide to be part of the earth.

alBHAGDADI:


You are right, Baptist churches in the Southwest is is going deep into Pentecostal falsehood.

It makes me sick.

I’m surprised this morning: you are here defending the eternal security of the saint; have you forgotten you once wrote about the madness of those who believe in the eternal security of the saints. You are growing into maturity now. Praise God.

MuttleyLaff:

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Thank you for being a sport in answering all the 10 questions. You started very well, [b]but you went on a downward trajectory from making dishonest replies from question #2 right up to question #10, considering the fact you know the projection was a "son" of you the "father" [/b]Dtruthspeaker, you dishonestly won't acknowledge the "son" projected, as being, real, living, have a body, had demonstrable power of healing, feeding, weeping, sleeping et cetera. You deceived yourself thinking you are deceiving me. You were being foolhardy, thinking you were being smartypants. You were being dumb, thinking you were being clever. Smh



"“Come now, let us reason together,” says the LORD ..."
- Isaiah 1:18a

It is not only in Isaiah 1:18a above, that God invites to reason with Him. Another case in point, of reasoning with God, is explained in Hebrews 11:19 about one of the many reasoning Abraham had with God and also had about God

Reasoning plays a lot in fully getting to knowing God and correctly understanding everything about Him. As I've previously posted, the brain, isn't an ornament, given to just decorate the body with, but, we are blessed with this powerfully built processing functional gift for a purpose, for a reason, for such a time as this and especially for such a discussion as this.

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Smh at above avalanche of confused dot com. Your theology is suspect. Do you really expect the "Father" to render account to the "Son" ni, hmm?

In your narrow-minded, short changing, limited view of God, you say, it is a hard and impossible action for God to carry out projecting Himself out as a living, real, powerful, incarnated being of Himself.

I concur without demur that with human beings, it is an impossible thing for any to do, but I unreservedly put it to you that, with God all things are possible (i.e. Matthew 19:26)

You can take this from me, that, everything if it isn't bible based, if its not scripture, if it can't be bible fact check, I wouldn't bother share

With me you are among friends, among the brethren, you are in safe company because I am not proselytising, I am not pitching a product, I am not teaching, I am not after anyone's money. I am not compounding or adding any more evil into all you already have. I dont have any hidden agenda or ulterior motive et cetera

I think his responses are rather not well thought of than dishonest. In continuum mechanics, the projection is always equal in magnitude to its sources (sorry for bringing this in here). The projection is always mutually exclusive. Yet he says the projection is not separate.

chukwunweikeemi:
I'm a christian not because I go to church but because I know I'm born again.I got born again by admitting that I am a sinner and believed on the death,burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ to be the FULL PAYMENT for my sins.I believe and my beliefs are biblical that if a person is saved the person is always saved and can never lose his salvation.So yes I believe in eternal security of the believer.I've never found a church where the doctrine of eternal security is preached and believed.Most churches will tell you that salvation is free and then they will go further to contradict themselves by telling you that you'll lose salvation by commiting a sin.This belief is called a works based salvation and it is unbiblical.Since I got saved I've tried to show some people from the bible the simplicity of salvation but they think it is too good to be true and that anybody who wants to make heaven must pay the price.Actually there are two ways to heaven:The first one is that you live a perfect life and the second one is that you depend(believe) on the one(christ) who lived a perfect life.We all sin multiple times daily and so that rules out the first possibility leaving just the second. Regardless of who you are. you'll end up in hell if you trust in anything(baptism,good works,church attendance.....etc) to save you apart from Christ Jesus. I've written this piece to ask anyone to show me a church where the doctrine of eternal security is preached and believed and where God's grace has not been taken for a license for sin.I am based in Lagos mainland.Your response will be greatly appreciated.May God bless you.

Go to Crown Reformed Assembly in Ogba. I would have suggested Baptist Churches but unfortunately the Baptist Churches in the South West are horribly steeped in Pentecostalism.

Janosky:

You already believe the FALSE claim that my Bible is fake.
We would use your copy of the holy Bible and study
John20:17, John 17:3, John 11:27 and Rev3:5,12,21 free of charge no tithe no sowing of seed with your hard earned income
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My friend, I read the NWT sometimes; so don’t think I think it is fake. Have we met?

You mentioned tithes - have you collected one from me? If I say you are a bitter person, you will be doing one kind. Your fight shouldn’t be with me, my friend.

We aren’t discussing about Bible versions, so let our conviction speak; what is the meaning of “God”? Please tell me in your own words, your own conviction.

Janosky:


John20:17, John 17:3, John 11:27 and Rev3:5,12,21.
The holy scriptures gives me what you desire to know

Please, tell me in your own words, the way you would tell if you knocked on my door to preach about Paradise.

Janosky:


It is there in John20:17, John 17:3, John 11:27 and Rev3:5,12,21.

Please tell me according to your own words, from your understanding.

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Cc:

Dtruthspeaker

Janosky:

See wetin dey pain una upanda

John 20:31
But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name


John 11:27
"Yes, Lord,” she told him. “I have always believed you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one who has come into the world from God.”

The son of God came into the world, but WAYO men keeps DECEIVING gullible sheeples


(Compare John 17:3).

What is the meaning of “God”?

solite3:
Cc Acehart

The Trinity of God - Hmmm. Only through the scriptures can one know by divine revelation alone that God is a Unity of Three personalities. THE doctrine of the Trinity is perhaps the most mysterious and difficult doctrine that is presented to us in the entire range of Scripture. Conse- quently, we do not presume to give a full explanation of it. In the nature of the case, we can know only as much concerning the inner nature of the Godhead as has been revealed to us in the Scriptures. Natural reason can not grasped it and any explanation using natural reasoning would be subjective and filled with flaws.

When Ezekiel saw a vision of the Cherubs and the wheel that turns them, there was something unique about their movement: there was great synchronization, so much that each one knew the mind of the other and the movement of one was the movement of all. This is how super-organisms move. For instance, an ant colony: the knowledge of one ant is the knowledge of all: one ant’s movement determines the movement of the colony. When ant colonies are studied, it has been universally accepted that millions of ants move as if they were ONE ant especially during the transmission of information and reaction to danger. The faces of the Cherubs in Ezekiel’s vision were a reflection of the One who sat on the Throne of Heaven.

In the NT, we see clearly that in the act of redemption from sin, three personalities were involved. The synchronization of their contribution fits perfectly like the “wheel in the middle of the wheel” in Ezekiel’s vision.

Where many people stumble in this very difficult subject is in the meaning of the word “God”. Is God a person? Is God a title? Is “God” an attribution? Another place people stumble is in the meaning of the description “Son of God”. This subject is the greatest mystery of all and since the scriptures reveals that no one can know about God except by revelation; however, what ever one’s revelation is, it must not come in conflict with Deuteronomy 6:4.

Janosky:



Fallacies of Ad hominem.
WAYO man in sifia pains.
2 Corinthians 11:31
"The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is forever worthy of praise, knows that I am not lying."





Bros ,John 20:31 & John 3:16 dey una Bible?
I challenge you to quote it here

You don’t have to challenge me. Be a gentleman.

Dtruthspeaker:


Very very bitter jw, full of suffering, sorrow and pain!

Using his fake book that they call Bible to advance their own self inflicted deceit and wishful hopes and thinkings

Now, here comes his legendary lashing out!

It is very unfortunate. May the Lord cause him to be enlightened with the truth.

Janosky:


WAYO man, your so called "Unitarian heresy" is the Aceheart version of the Trinity Fraud.
It is not unitarian at all.
Aceheart Trinity is Solite3 "Unitarian heresy"

The word ‘person‘, when used on this subject, does not mean a separate individual, but a distinct subsistence. It denotes a distinction in the divine Being [that is] real, but inexplicable"



The same "ghost" causing confusion to Aceheart and Solite3..
No biblical support for "Unitarian heresy" or Trinity scam. Everything about it is made up and Dubious.

You seem bitter. The most pressing question on the Lord’s day will be: “are you saved?” Janoksy, are you saved? No man will be asked about his belief in the trinity or Unitarian nature of God! What are you bitter about?

Your belief and that of the gnostic and Islamist have an ‘amazing’ consanguinity; yet, no one makes it his calling and destiny to harangue the JW to the very ends of the earth.

I have not said so much about The Spirit yet you spite me; maybe it isn’t me you spite but Mr Solite. If so, then take your fight somewhere else.

Janosky:


@1,
John 17:3, John 20:17, Rev3:12,21 Jesus Christ says your claim is FALSE and dubious.

John 17:3
And this is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent—Jesus the Messiah.


Bros, John 17:3, Jesus Christ have spoken that your 1John5:20 is a Dubious, fraudulent twisting of the holy scriptures.

Una WAYO is legendary

John 17:1-2: Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He (Christ Jesus) may give eternal life.”

Greetings to you in Christ’s name. I have inserted (Christ Jesus) in the verses that preceded verse 3 for clarity sake. It’s quite easy to see from these verses that Christ Jesus has the following attributes:

1. He has the power to glorify the Father in proportion to that which the Father glorifies Him.
2. He has the power to give eternal life.

From the first point, The Son is a reflection of the Father; and the Father is the reflection of the Son. John 6:27 and 14:9 affirms this notion.

From point two, The Son gives (grants) eternal life. Here, Christ Jesus asserts that He has the power of eternal life in His possession; if this is anything to go by, then Him granting the entry to Paradise to the criminal on the cross is not out of place. Apostle John in 1 John 1:2 calls Jesus “eternal life”. He agrees with Isaiah who spoke of Christ Jesus’ name as “Eternal Father”.

But we know that The Son is not The Father; neither is the Father the Son; Isaiah premonition seems to say that “The Eternal Son is the reflection of The Eternal Father”.

You seem to disapprove of the word “subsistence” when related to the personalities in the God(head): our minds are limited when trying to describe God in terms of human language: how does one refer to a person whose matter is ‘eternal’ as ‘person’? For many many years, people were taught that there are three states of matter - Solid, liquid and gas. Quite recently, a fourth state of matter has been discovered - plasma. Who knows what state of matter will be discovered in the next 500 years? We know that at different conditions, matter can metamorphose. Christ described in terms of matter is logical and seeing that the word “persons” can only be applied to ‘things’ that exist in solid form; describing Him or any member of God as “solid”, persons, is inappropriate.

John 20:17 Jesus said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'”

What is the meaning of the word “God“? When Jesus used the word “grant” in regard to “eternal life”, He used an act associated with government or Organizations. In its original translation, Jesus used the word “endow” or “endowment”. Hence, Jesus gave the meaning of God as “government” or “Organisation”.

1 John 2:24: As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.

It is a rule when reading the scriptures that when names are listed, the first name on the list is the character or object of concern; we know that the Father can never be relegated since Christ makes us view Himself as the primer in regards to righteousness, and the Father as the topcoat. We may never know why John places Christ Jesus before the Father in this verse.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

You refuted the claim that Christ Jesus isn’t God; but I have placed the verse before all that John is saying that Christ is indeed the True God. If you don’t understand the verse, please do a revision of the functions of punctuation marks- It will help greatly in your understanding of the scriptures.

OtemAtum:
Everything in existence is one great matrix of ENERGY. Trillions, gazillions and uncountable number of things carrying one energy or the other belong to this single matrix. I will show you a model to drive home my point.

Your illustration looks like the symbol of the Cross of Calvary. I like your illustration.

sonmvayina:


Why were you dividing God into 3 parts.. Arrange yourself..

If I divided God unto three parts, I would have written: (The Father*The Son)*The Spirit.

I’d like to ask you this question: How many parts is a school of fish? What is the name for a school of fish?

sonmvayina:


So how many gods are there?..

1

sonmvayina:


How did you manage to divide God into three parts?

I didn’t divide God into three parts; if I did, I would have written: The Father * The Son * The Spirit.

OtemAtum:
God Almighty (Totality of Existence, a great source of energy) can neither be created nor destroyed.

You said: “a great source of energy”; this means there are other sources of energy. Therefore, this means that this ‘God Almighty’ is not alone.

OtemAtum:


It is not equal to God Almighty, rather it is equal to a god called Jehovah, who is a creature of God Almighty.

Who created the creature, God Almighty?

Preciousgirl:

John 17:5

And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

So Jesus shared Glory with the Father before even the word was, wooooow

Who is this Jesus?

Remember God shares His glory with no one

The Father + The Son + The Spirit. = God (Jehovah)

Why not give any of the renowned estate management agencies to manage the property? They would give the proceeds accrued from rents to you; and you would have rest of mind because they will maintain the house.

Maximus69:


The highlighted Sir/Ma,

Sorry to interrupt you, but this group has stood it's ground as long as the 1870s till date!

Praise the Lord!!!

DappaD:


I was beginning to think Acehart was sensible. I didn't know he was feeling threatened and intimidated all this while.

I did not set out to be sensible; neither did I set out to convince you or to be convinced by you. I have seen the jibes of you and your friend and posterity would use your reactions as feedback.

With scriptures, you showed me that Jehovah is indeed one; I agree - this has been my belief since childhood. But I have shown (in part) you that those who believe that Jehovah is One-in-Three through the scriptures; and in a show of humility, sympathy and responsibility, Jehovah God, the One-in-Three, sent a third of its Unit, Christ, to redeem Man and you term me senile; did I use external sources to support my claim?

Don’t the gnostic have the same belief as you - God is One person? Don’t they use the scriptures to propagate their beliefs? Don’t the belief of the Islamist and the JW have consanguinity in belief? But I am not moved by any belief which doesn’t make character - the lack of this in you and your friend is saddening.

You barely answered me word for word and deviated a lot. If your agenda is to entreat by coercion or superiority display, what JW would have is a production line of proselytes whose persuasion wouldn’t stand the test of time.

DappaD:
@Acehart,
Your first mistake was to tell me my words are unoriginal. I'm not saying I know too much—but if you need me to properly school you on the Bible via video call I will gladly do it—so that we will see whether the words I speak are mine or not.

Good morning. I heard a lot about Michel Platini but I didn’t have the opportunity of watching him; but thankfully I watched Jean Tigana and Jean-Pierre Papin play. I remember Tigana so well...he was a strong player... Abedi Pele wasn’t as good as he was when he put on the Black Stars’ jersey. I tell you Marseille was a good team. They won the European cup and after that, their fortunes nosedived; until a certain Didier Drogba bust into the scene and brought the glory days back.

Don’t let anyone tell you football was more interesting viewing on colour TV than on black-and-white TV; the game has always been beautiful until the introduction of VAR.

You had always spoken well until you introduced aggression. Haven’t you read that anger does not produce the righteousness God desires? Do you see why I asked you those questions -if you are saved and currently living a holy life? Head-filled knowledge is different from spirit-filled knowledge -the latter is peaceable; the former is irritable.