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 Religion / Re: Why Would God Create Homosexuals And Direct Them To...... by Acehart: 10:14am On Nov 08, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Yes o! Him think say him and God understand their sef. He think say because him don join “special group of people”, he and God be ‘paddy-for-jungle‘. Him no know say all of us na yahoo. Because dem never catch am, him think say na angel. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Elisha, The Youths And The She-bears. by Acehart: 4:24pm On Nov 06, 2020 |
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| Religion / Re: What Is The Sin That Cannot Be Forgiven? by Acehart: 11:31am On Nov 05, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Thanks, man. One learner said to another learner: I know it. Anyway, I have learned something for myself, thanks to you. Ciao 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: What Is The Sin That Cannot Be Forgiven? by Acehart: 1:36pm On Nov 04, 2020 |
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=95650811]Interesting to know you admit that you battle and/or struggle with giving unconditional love? now brother, of course, goodness does not equate to righteousness, but do you know why goodness does not equate to righteousness, lmso. Well, it simply is because righteousness is living up to the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law, lmso, while goodness is going a step above righteousness, lmso. You didnt at all know that before now, isn't it, lmso. I hope you being uninformed about that dont find the info "complex", lmso Monsieur, I have given bodydialect57 a response, howbeit, privately. NTBB. "Yet indeed Christ, of us, still being without strength, according to the right time, died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die" - Romans 5:6-7 You had said earlier that God accepts kind, loyal, loving people; my response was; No! he makes them acceptable, I say once more. I know it has been your argument that there isn't anything wrong with gay relationships as long as the fruits associated with the Spirit are displayed; I have said this: as long as they (the gay lovers) are in Christ, they will manifest fruits acceptable before God. I don't know if you quoted that verse in Romans 5 to refute my saying that goodness doesn't equate to righteousness; but if you did, you took my words and argument out of context; I'm glad you did quote that verse because it would help me buttress my point. There are three sets of people in the text: 1. The ungodly or sinful or vile or rebellious or impious 2. The righteous person 3. The good or innocent person. I guess the person who "liked" your response has seen as I have seen that you have said severally on this thread and others (threads opened to discuss or argue on the unnatural nature of homosexuality) that you have said if two consenting gay persons exhibit the fruits resembling that of the Spirit, they are indeed delighting God. That is true only if those individuals are in Christ. If not, those "works" do not stem from God. It's a chess move when you feign ignorance that my juxtaposition of goodness and righteousness was a comparison between the good and the righteous. The text you quoted said (in its context): Christ died for the ungodly to demonstrate God's love; He did not die for the good person nor for the (righteous) person. (Do you see how you are eisegetical again? "good" meant innocent in that text and not the meaning you fabricated) Romans 3:10 says (in several translations): "The Scriptures tell us, No one is acceptable to God!"; "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one"; "there is none that doeth good, no, not one". Isn't it clear to see that no one is acceptable to God because no one is good or righteous? Whether gay or straight, all of mankind is sinful and guilty, until they believe in Christ's atonement. But Muttleylaff thinks otherwise: He says, as long as one is loving, loyal, faithful, committed in their relationship, and hurting no one, God will accept them. In your definition of good and righteous, good excelled; you gave a definition of your understanding of who a righteous person is, but you left out a definition for a good person. Now, this is biblical view of righteousness (without the law, the alley you hid in): He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false and does not swear deceitfully. Do you see that David's view of a righteous person is holiness and God? Cornelius was a good man but his goodness would have been counted as vain if he did not seek God, without the law. Saul was a good man, a true Hebrew; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless; but his qualification was worthless without Christ. I hope you acknowledge that my view of righteousness is entrenched in holiness and the knowledge of Christ not the law; goodness does not equate to holiness, because many that are good themselves yet do but little good to others; but those that are useful commonly get themselves well beloved, and meet with some that in a case of necessity would venture: is it clear goodness can be subjective? But purified goodness, the offspring of righteousness, can ne'er be subjective but is good to all (Gal. 6:10). God accepts all that manifest the fruit of the Spirit, which evident in Galatians 5:22-23 are: Perhaps it is your style to shroud your intentions through ambiguity of words so that you may fathom the stage of spiritual development of those you dialogue with; I have stated severally how those in gay relationships who are in Christ are made acceptable through Christ, and let none of us who find such existence detasteful cease from troubling them because they are in Christ Jesus. By repeating the same thing I have said shows you don't read what I write. "To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved" - Ephesians 1:6 You said: God accepts all that manifest the fruit of the Spirit; it would have been biblically correct if you had said, "Those that manifest the fruit of the Spirit show that God accepted them". Fyi, we all made acceptable according to whatever we've opted for or chosen to do and that God permits. Cases in point, lmso, Satan was made acceptable according to God's election. Pharaoh was made acceptable according to God's election. King Saul was made acceptable according to God's election. Judas Iscariot was made acceptable according to God's election. Hitler was made acceptable according to God's election. Abacha was made acceptable according to God's election et cetera, lmso Perhaps, it was bedtime when you wrote this. I'd like to admonish you to read a good book on the role of Divine Election in salvation; then you would understand my intention. Thank you for reinforcing my earlier point above about not living up to the letter of the law but to live up to the spirit of the law, lmso. It would be nice if you go through my response on 5.11.2020 and today's response at least two times. |
| Religion / Re: What Is The Sin That Cannot Be Forgiven? by Acehart: 12:31pm On Nov 03, 2020 |
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=95622508]What an unoriginal cop out Do you battle or struggle with giving unconditional love? We all struggle. Have you ever thought why Elisha would respond, in like manner as he responded to Naaman: "Go in peace," huh? Have you thought that, maybe it is because Elisha knows that God looks at the heart of men and also that He accepts everyone kind, loyal, caring, trusting, loving and faithful, erhn? Muttleylaff, I do not want you to be uninformed; goodness does not equate to righteousness. God doesn't accept everyone who is kind, loyal, caring, trusting, loving, and faithful; He makes them acceptable according to His election. If those who use the flesh wrongly, do not accept the gospel, they can never be justified no matter the sweetness of their goodness. This applies to all who live according to the dictates of the god of this world. God doesn't only look at the hearts of men; He is able to transform the hearts of men. This matter of our salvation is by the power that raised Christ from the dead, and the power that transforms by the renewing of your mind is by the same power. Elisha knew of this renewing process and he showed a great example of how to deal with young converts - Young converts must be tenderly dealt with. Elisha was an overseer who was sensible, sound in faith, and love(may all overseers know that all that should be known of men is that they come to know Christ and Him crucified, and it would be sensible to be oblivious of their personal preferences). Name three ingredients of matrimony that surpasses: love, faithfulness/commitment and relationship Yes, I had cast my vote! Thank God for another election. This time, with clarity of thought, marinated with the word of God, I had voted to write my last response. "28Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. If "context is king", you wouldn't have fluffed when you said Elisha went to Shiloh to offer a sacrifice to God. I would not have you uninformed, again, regarding Shiloh: With the loss of the ark to the Philistines at Aphek, Shiloh was rejected as the chosen place, and there was no place in which Jehovah's name dwelt until the building of Solomon's temple in Jerusalem. Have you forgotten that Elijah built an altar to Yahweh at Carmel (1 Ki 18: 30-32) and complained that the Israelites had destroyed the altars of Jehovah (1 Ki 19: 14)? Ps 78 states that Shiloh was the place where Jehovah first made his dwelling, but when? In the temple sermons of Jeremiah, Jer 7: 12-15 and 26: 4-6,9 I see that Shiloh was the most important sanctuary in the pre-monarchic period, which was destroyed before Elisha was born; so how could he go to pay obeisance there? I want you to know that I wasn't doing an exposition on Matt.11:28-30, but I was using the verse in the light of Acts 15:9-10 - if God has purified the heart of any gay, I would not lay yoke on them that would cause them to be discriminated against. |
| Religion / Re: What Is The Sin That Cannot Be Forgiven? by Acehart: 7:47pm On Nov 02, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: I know nothing for sure; but this I know: there is no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus; this truth applies to all including those who battle with the most understood carnal tendencies. Now, let me speak a bit about same-sex friendships (I speak because I have seen with my eyes friendships between man and man that excel that that binds man and woman in marriage): I thought nothing vile existed. I ask one and he said: “the friendship between me and Balo pass the one wey I get with my wife...he understand me well well”; I may never know what David meant when he said: “How I weep for you, my brother Jonathan! Oh, how much I loved you! And your love for me was deep, deeper than the love of women!“ Yes! we know that Jonathan was deeply concerned for the honour of God so much that he was faithful to his rival to the throne of Israel. If anything was left out of the account of the relationship between these wonderful specimen of men who once walked the face of the Earth, it may be that nothing remained to be accounted for. However, if one who had a matrimonial relationship with the same sex approached Elisha with the same dilemma of conscience Naaman had when he said: “In this matter may the Lord pardon your servant: when my master goes into the house of Rimmon to worship there, and he leans on my hand and I bow myself in the house of Rimmon, when I bow myself in the house of Rimmon, the Lord pardon your servant in this matter." Elisha would respond to the homosexual in like manner as he responded to Naaman: "Go in peace." The Lord will help His own. I have nothing greater than the words of Elisha and Paul: let all homosexuals (joined in matrimony) who are in Christ know that there is no condemnation to them; and if they weren’t faithful to their spouse, faithful they must be as they have accepted Christ. To those who are yet to find one to whom their desires will focused on, I say: there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus; be at peace. MuttleyLaff, the yoke of Christ is easy and His burden is light. He will help His own. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: What Is The Sin That Cannot Be Forgiven? by Acehart: 12:54pm On Nov 02, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Seriously dude, I don’t browse all your comments. I have told you some time ago that your are complex or rather, I am not smart enough to understand the labyrinth of your mind. But when you respond to me, I feel I’m honored by the best man in the section. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: What Is The Sin That Cannot Be Forgiven? by Acehart: 7:15am On Nov 02, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: I guess you are a Manchester United supporter. It wasn’t a good day, right? |
| Religion / Re: What Is The Sin That Cannot Be Forgiven? by Acehart: 6:03pm On Nov 01, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: I have told you severally that I don’t care about same sex relationships. I have no word of encouragement or discouragement for those who practice it. Only God knows. Concerning that thread, it was just a conversation between my friend and I (just the way it was). Though I mentioned the servant who did a thankless task, our concern was the meaning behind “speaking to the tree” and its relationship to the prayers we hear in many ‘worship grounds’. So dude, rock the table so that we may have another lengthy thread that has nothing to do with homosexuality or the trinity or Jesus’ body.  1 Like |
| Religion / Re: What Is The Sin That Cannot Be Forgiven? by Acehart: 4:27pm On Nov 01, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Say something na. Is it because it isn’t about same sex affairs that’s why you aren’t saying anything? 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: What Is The Sin That Cannot Be Forgiven? by Acehart: 2:47pm On Nov 01, 2020 |
Bodydialect57: Hi, firstly, Jesus did all things through the power of the Holy Spirit; likewise, all Children of God will do all things through that same spirit that was in Christ. Now, what are the words, written or spoken, that will get the writer or speaker face the condemnation of hell? They are: 1. The expression of unbelief of the divine power that wrought the miracles; that is to attribute the works of Christ to Satan. eg. the verse we have up there. 2. The expression of deception; that is to attribute the works of Satan to Christ. eg. Jeremiah 8:4-13, Matthew 7:21-23. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: The Mulberry Tree And Forgiveness: A Conversation Between Corn And Acehart by Acehart: 8:20am On Nov 01, 2020 |
[quote author=EclecticGee post=95543138][/quote] Thank you, sir |
| Religion / Re: The Mulberry Tree And Forgiveness: A Conversation Between Corn And Acehart by Acehart: 8:42am On Oct 30, 2020 |
Prettygirl27: In another light, If Solomon by sacrifice had made a wonderful prayer to God for the longevity of the Jerusalem temple, Jesus asking for its destruction is a big request to God. If Jesus’ prayer was already granted, He encouraged us to pray and ask, and believe that we have received what we prayed for, and they will be granted us. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: The Mulberry Tree And Forgiveness: A Conversation Between Corn And Acehart by Acehart: 6:05pm On Oct 29, 2020 |
Prettygirl27: As they were passing by in the morning, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots up. Being reminded, Peter said to Him, "Rabbi, look, the fig tree which You cursed has withered." And Jesus answered saying to them, "Have faith in God. Truly I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be taken up and cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says is going to happen, it will be granted him. Therefore I say to you, all things for which you pray and ask, believe that you have received them, and they will be granted you. Whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father who is in heaven will also forgive you your transgressions. [But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your transgressions.” Mark 11:20-26 There has to be relationship between the “speaking to the mountain” and forgiveness, do you agree? This discourse doesn’t seem to have anything to do with Peter’s curiosity about the withered fig tree, do you agree? Jesus seems to be speaking about something else, ignoring Peter’s observation. In the Old Testament, the word “Mountain“ was a metaphor for the temple at Jerusalem; and the the word “Sea” was metaphor for ‘destruction and judgement’. (Funny enough, in the Old Testament, “fig tree” was a metaphor for Israel. Do you notice the parallelism? The unfruitful fig tree and the unfruitful temple). The verses preceding verse 20 showed how Jesus was utterly disgusted at the happenings in the temple. “Be taken up and cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says is going to happen, it will be granted him.” Jesus says. From this verse, I believe was referring to a prayer He had made to the Father regarding the corrupted temple - its destruction; and it would be granted to Him. So what does forgiveness have to do with the corrupted temple? Jesus spoke about standing to pray: at the temple at Jerusalem, the faithful stood (and still stand today) to pray. If the temple was going to be destroyed, where would the faithfuls stand to pray? It has to be at a new mountain; Jesus states that forgiveness would not be a future reality but a present one - “Therefore I say to you, all things for which you pray and ask, believe that you have received them, and they will be granted you.” But if the temple Solomon prayed that God may forgive His people becomes corrupted, then it must be removed and destroyed, and a new place where people may seek forgiveness of sins has to be built. Jesus had spoken of the destruction of “this temple“ to the Pharisees and it being rebuilt - He was referring to His body as the temple. Christ wasn’t a future reality but a present one; Hence, prayer for forgiveness will be made in Him. |
| Religion / The Mulberry Tree And Forgiveness: A Conversation Between Corn And Acehart by Acehart: 11:47am On Oct 29, 2020 |
Cc: WoundedLamb A CONVERSATION ON LUKE 17:1-10 Corn: “ Honestly, I enjoyed reading your exposition” Acehart: “Deacon Keh is disappointed at the guy’s response“ Corn: “I kinda understood you when you talked about the past attempts to ‘speak things into being’ that didn't pan out so... But when we look at Jesus' talk about mustard seed and speaking to things... I honestly get confused. “Replace “confused“ with “uncertain“”. The disciples asked Jesus to increase their faith...“ Acehart: “Concerning what?“ Corn: “I'm looking at the one in Luke 17“. Acehart: “Very easy. The mountain was repeated offenses.” Corn: “So they were to speak offenses away?“ Acehart: “No! Not that way.“ Corn: “How then?“ Acehart: “Look at the exclamation in verse 5; Jesus gave them a very difficult task: Forgive every time your brother comes to ask for forgiveness after he offends you. The guys scream, AH! Like Yoruba people. Increase our faith sounds like: increase our power to do this.” Corn: “Hmmm.“ Acehart: “Then Jesus compares the ease of forgiving a multiple offender to the ‘ease‘ a servant serves his master dinner after spending hours taking care of sheep in the field. The servant’s master doesn’t care what he thinks; So Jesus doesn’t care what the disciples think. They must do what He bids them do.“ Corn: “I’m speechless and sad. It’s a difficult task”. Acehart: “So they must not care for the stubborn nature of the unforgiving heart. They must deal with it and forgiveness would spring forth. Wow! A mulberry tree must be a very difficult tree to uproot.“ Corn: So, was the talk about commanding the mulberry tree to uproot itself and plant itself in the water figurative? Acehart: “The heart is the issue, rather, the bruised heart and its tendency not to forgive after a lot of hurt“ Corn: “I get this part. What I don't get is why He made the reference to the tree and commanding it. Honestly, it seems like a sharp detour. And then He continues with the servant talk.” Acehart: “Let me go back to study those verses again. I’ll get back to you.“ Corn: “Later“. [Six days later] Acehart: I haven’t forgotten about our last conversation and these are my findings concerning speaking to the mulberry tree and offenses using Esau and Joseph’s life experience: 1. Offender’s response to the offended: speak about your life’s history and your present effort to make amends. (Gen. 32) 2. The response of the offended: Speak and continue speaking to the offender. (Gen. 33:4-9). Keep speaking. (Gen 42). Luke 17:1-10. Offenses to little ones: What offenses causes the “little ones” to stumble?: 1. Injustice (Luke 18) 2. False teaching (James 3: 1-17, James 2:10-12); the effect of wrong teaching of tribulation and its persecution because of the shallow understanding of the word. (Matthew 13:20-21) A Babylonian etiological myth, which Ovid incorporated in his Metamorphoses, attributes the reddish-purple color of the mulberry fruits to the tragic deaths of the lovers Pyramus and Thisbe. “Some North American cities have banned the planting of mulberries because of the large amounts of pollen they produce, posing a potential health hazard for some pollen allergy sufferers. (They are also invasive). The dripping juice from its fruits leaves behind a fermenting stench. “The mulberry tree in Israel was grown in abundance and used to build coffins. The mulberry tree was a very tough, durable wood that resisted decay, much like today's treated lumber so it was used to build caskets. The moment, Jesus brought up the mulberry tree everyone's mind went to death, funerals and the use of that tree.” (Quoted) Like I suggested the last time we spoke, the parable was about the unforgiving heart. What Jesus was portraying is this: the sin of unforgiveness is a sin that brings forth death in our lives. I went to the book of Genesis to check out how two of the most hurt guys in the scriptures - Esau and Joseph, handled the “unforgivable”. The offended kept on talking to the offender(s). The offenders too kept on speaking (about their offense and their continuous effort to make amends); the offended took great effort to speak to the offender (without blocking any channel for reconciliation). No wonder the disciples exclaimed “Increase our faith!”. Jesus continues by explaining the very tired servant’s (mental) effort to satisfy his master’s needs - so it is for the little one’s effort to have mercy on the offender. Why then should we forgive? Proverbs 17:22 - A joyful heart is good medicine, But a broken spirit dries up the bones. I read somewhere that many people diagnosed with cancer had bitterness of heart (towards someone or something) prior to having the disease. May the Lord help us to forgive everyone or every system that has hurt us in Christ’s name. Amen. Corn: “I see...Thanks for this.” A WhatsApp conversation in December MMXIX. Cc: Mr ‘spiritual maintenance’, MuttleyLaff, are you doing preventive maintenance or repairs or an overhaul? |
| Religion / Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by Acehart: 11:04am On Oct 27, 2020 |
seyi360: Of course it does. It’s just a description of the power of the Holy Ghost. Any and all of the following are descriptions of His power: 1. By the power of the Holy Spirit Jesus was conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary. 2. He is the giver of life. (Gen. 7:22, 2:7; Romans 8:11; John 6:63). 3. He is God; therefore, He is all-powerful (Gen.1:2). He is the Spirit of God and Christ. 4. He gives the power, nine-fold, behind the Church of Christ. 5. The power of the Holy Spirit acts and speak through the disciples of Jesus in time of need: "Be not anxious beforehand what ye shall speak: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye; for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit." 6. It makes a baby in the womb to have the power to communicate with the mother. 7. He gives power for prophecy to be fulfilled. He makes true prophecy accurate. 8. The Holy Spirit was the "life principle" of the early Church. 9. He gave Jesus the power to be successful when He was in the flesh. 10. He gives power for confession of Christ as Lord. 11. He makes the sinner believe the gospel. He who leads persons to the Father and the Son. He acts to convince the unredeemed person both of the sinfulness of their actions and of their moral standing as sinners before God. 12. He is everywhere. 13. He casts out demons (Matt.12:28). 14. He is the leader of the New Covenant order (Romans 8:14) 15. Through Him, one is obedient to the Father: He led Jesus to be crucified out of obedience to the father, Hebrews 9:14 states that Jesus "through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish unto God". 16. He is the Sanctifier, Comforter, and the Giver of graces. 17. He is The Creator Spirit, present before the creation of the universe and through his power everything was made in Jesus Christ, by God the Father. 18. The Holy Spirit enables Christian life by dwelling in the individual believers and enables them to live a righteous and faithful life. 17. He alone enables interpretation of the scriptures, for each saint and the church. He gives inspiration to believers. 18. He is anonymous. When next you think of the term “Holy Ghost Power”, think of these things. Anything outside what the scriptures speaks of Him is falsehood. If there is any fire that should be attributed to Him, it is the fire that burns in a believer to glorify Christ. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by Acehart: 5:00am On Oct 27, 2020 |
HRHQueenPhil: Malachi 3:2 “But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap. We Christians should be careful to say a lot of things that have no scriptural backing and thereby leading many people to hell. The scripture above shows that Christ is like the refiner’s fire, and not the inanimate use of the word “it” you used to describe Him. Even Malachi was using a comparison and not the crude interpretation you gave. If studying the Bible is not your forte, stop commenting so that your words will not kill the soul. There is nothing like “Holy Ghost Fire” in the scriptures; the only thing that burns up satanic habit is the Grace of sanctification according the gospel. If the scripture is your love, you would know that in contrast to the fire of terror of Mount Sinai, the fire of assurance and comfort is what burns on Mount Zion, the same fire that caused the ‘burning bush’ not to burn. |
| Religion / Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Acehart: 10:01pm On Oct 25, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Hello. Why was I copied? |
| Religion / Re: Did Jesus Teach The Rapture? by Acehart: 8:39am On Oct 24, 2020 |
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. - 1 Thes. iv 16-17 But how did this teaching of the apostle Paul ever come to be called the Rapture? The answer lies in the word translated "shall be caught up" (Greek harpagésómetha). In Latin, this word is rapere, from which "rapture" is derived. Free of any arcane or mysterious interpretation, it simply means "to be caught up," "snatched" or "seized." Daniel foretells that Christ would return once and for all in His second advent (note: No third advent like many churches and religious groups teach). In John’s revelation, the sound of the last trumpet which heralds the judgment of worshippers of the beast, is succeeded by this proclamation: “Blessed are the dead who die in Christ from now on”; Remember, Paul spoke of the ‘dead in Christ...who are alive and remain’ after the sounding of the trumpet; Christ spoke of the death of Saints after the gospel is preached to all nations; the two events - the sounding of the trumpet and proclamation of the Gospel to all nations are attributes of the first trumpet (of the three trumpets of Revelation 14). According to the sequence of events in Revelation, believers alive in the hour of judgment will be killed, but in what way? Christ said believers in that hour will be arrested, betrayed into hands of the beast by family members to be put to death. He says: You will be hated by all because of My name. If the sequence of events must be followed, rapture means death and destination of slain believers. The scriptures says, the will be received up into heaven, underneath the altar of God. The ‘teleportation’ (to the sky) many attribute to rapture is unbiblical. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Religion / Re: Why Would God Create Homosexuals And Direct Them To...... by Acehart: 2:17pm On Oct 23, 2020 |
The Pharisee stood and began to pray these things to himself, ‘O God, I thank you that I am not like other people—But one of the other people the Pharisee referred to, standing at a distance, was not willing even to raise his eyes heavenward but kept beating his chest, saying, ‘O God, be gracious to me, a sinner.’ I tell you, this man went down to his home and was proved more righteous than that Pharisee. |
| Religion / Re: The Right Definition Of Righteousness by Acehart: 12:32pm On Oct 22, 2020 |
Those who seem to contend with your view on this thread do not know that you, Joseph Pronce rather, speak of the doctrine of justification. J. Prince has the same controversy with many whose bane is his over-stretching the doctrine of justification to nullify the doctrine of sanctification. Who are those who contend mostly? they are those who misconstrue justification for sanctification. So, is it important for those who teach justification to state clearly that they speak of justifying faith, which saves a man? No! Rather those who can’t understand justification should return to the principles of salvation. It is also important that those who teach faith not to stretch it to the point that it nullifies the essence of sanctification. There are those who teach sanctification in the place of justification; Did the OP intend to teach sanctification rather than justification? If so, in the first place, whether it is wise to speak of faith as the one thing needful? and the only thing required, as many seem to do now-a-days in handling the doctrine of sanctification? -Is it wise to proclaim in so bald, naked, and unqualified a way as many do, that the holiness of converted people is by faith is only, and not at all by personal exertion? Is it according to the proportion of God's Word? I doubt it. That faith in Christ is the root of all holiness- Yes! that the first step towards a holy life is to believe on Christ- that until we believe we have not a jot of holiness- that union with Christ by faith is the secret of both beginning to be holy and continuing holy- that the life that we live in the flesh we must live by the faith of the Son of God-that faith purifies the heart- that faith is the victory which overcomes the world- that by faith the elders obtained a good report- all these are truths which no well-instructed Christian will ever think of denying. But surely the Scriptures teach us that in following holiness the true Christian needs personal exertion work as well as faith. The very same Apostle who says in one place, "The life that I live in the flesh I live by the faith of Son of God," says in another place, “I fight-I run -I keep under my body ; " and in other places, " Let us cleanse ourselves-let us labour, let us lay aside every weight." (Gal. ii. 20; 1 Cor.ix.26, 2 Cor. vii 1; Heb.iv 2 ; xii. 1) Moreover, the Scriptures nowhere teach us that faith sanctifies us in the same sense, and in same manner, that faith justifies us! Justifying faith is grace that "worketh not, “but simply trusts, rests, and leans on Christ. (Rom iv. 5 .) Sanctifying faith is a grace of which the very life is action: It “worketh by love," and, like a main-spring, moves the whole inward man.(Gal. v. 6.). After all, the precise phrase "sanctified by faith '' is only found once in the New Testament. As to the phrase “holiness by faith," I find it nowhere in the New Testament. (Without sounding contrary to you, in the matter of our justification before God, faith in Christ is the only thing needful. All that simply believe are justified.) Righteousness is imputed “to him that worketh not but believeth."(Rom. iv. 5 .). It is thoroughly Scriptural and right to say "faith alone justifies." But it is not equally Scriptural and right to say "faith alone sanctifies." It is either one or the other. We are frequently told that a man is "justified by faith without the deeds of the law," by St. Paul. But not once are we told that we are "sanctified by faith without the deeds of the law." (Here is your controversy with those men who seem to be against you). On the contrary, we are expressly told by St. James that the faith whereby we are visibly and demonstratively justified before man, is a faith which "if it hath not works is dead, being alone." (James ii. 17.) I may be told, in reply, that no one of course means to disparage "works” an essential part of a holy life. It would be well, however, to make this more plain than many, including your contenders here, seem to make it in these days. |
| Religion / Re: Is It Just Me Or I Feel God Was More Active In The Ancient Times Than Now. by Acehart: 9:38am On Oct 22, 2020 |
God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. -Hebrews 1:1-2 In the times, BC, God spoke through those things you expect now-fire, thunder, earthquakes etc. Yet, once upon a time, those things paved way, for God’s goodness to be proclaimed through His words. Now, AD, the only way He has chosen to speak or make Himself known are through the words and acts of His Son, Christ Jesus. So the verse that says: “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever“, still is in effect as it was BC; it has always been the modus operandi of God to win people through speech or His words. However, BC, the people were afraid to approach God because preceding His message was terror; but now, the scriptures says to us: For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind, and to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words which sound was such that those who heard begged that no further word be spoken to them. But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel...See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. The scriptures then goes us to show us how God has decided to reveal Himself apart from terror (which hindered the preaching of His words) in these verse: And His voice shook the earth then, but now He has promised, saying, "Yet once more I will shake not only the earth, but also the heaven." This expression, "Yet once more," denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken, as of created things, so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe - This was His revelation to Elias on Mount Horeb - Signs and Wonders in the heavens doesn’t draw people to righteousness; so faith has to come by hearing the word of God alone. Therefore, the only prophet we have now is Christ and His words according to the scriptures. Christ is our appointed prophet. So with the removal of the terrors and physical things that used to usher God’s word, God seems to draw many through personal experience rather than the communal experience that once was. God is here, an you know it not. |
| Religion / Re: Elisha, The Youths And The She-bears. by Acehart: 8:32am On Oct 20, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Shey you know that you do a lot of eisegesis when you do your expositions? New babes would suffer in your hands o. For someone who thumps his chest as a context-centric person, it’s a surprise you are often eisegetical. Anyway, I would like to see you do a writeup; I’ll be cheering for you. Jeremiah 7:12,14 - "But go now to My place which was in Shiloh, where I made My name dwell at the first, and see what I did to it because of the wickedness of My people Israel... therefore, I will do to the house which is called by My name, in which you trust, and to the place which I gave you and your fathers, as I did to Shiloh.“ |
| Religion / Re: Elisha, The Youths And The She-bears. by Acehart: 6:49am On Oct 20, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Yeah, the young prophet who was killed outside Bethel... I am trying to figure out and find a relationship between the death of a child of God by the Hand of God and the death of a child of Satan by the Hand of God. The former dies because of disobedience; the latter dies by sin. The former’s death restores an old prophet who apostatized; The latter’s death achieved nothing. Oga, the two aren’t the same. Bethel was no longer the house of God as Israel was no longer the apple of God’s eye. Bethel had become the house of Satan and the young prophet’s testimony against Jeroboam is a testimony to that. There was nothing in Bethel for Elisha except their road; would he pay obeisance at the temple of the golden calf? Would he make the same mistake of the old prophet of God? What has his shaven head got to do with it? You forget quickly that Elijah was hairy; their mockery -bald head, was an affront to his ministry; they simply said he wasn’t a prophet (like his predecessor) and the bear attack was a confirmation that he was. The only house of God was Jerusalem; and all prayer was to be directed there. |
| Religion / Re: Elisha, The Youths And The She-bears. by Acehart: 4:52am On Oct 20, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Those questions are easy and one or two are already answered in the writeup. (Then one more will be answered in another topic I hope to create soon. Watch out!). Ehen, the low hanging fruit; who doesn’t like love hanging fruits? It saves the elderly ones from breaking a bone. You say, they were killed; I say, they were so maimed that those who saw the extent of their injuries would shiver and piss in their pants, but none dies. You ran to a lot of scriptures but I’ll run to one: “Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord GOD, “rather than that he should turn from his ways and live? Please consider this: Angels were ambushed by an unwelcoming host of anus-seeking lads and adults at Sodom, and the Lord smite them with blindness; Elisha was ambushed by a host of hostile, weapon wielding, soldiers and the Lord smite them with blindness; Jesus was ambushed by a hostile crowd and He passed through them like the wind and none of the hostiles was struck with a malady or killed; so, what was the magnitude of sin of these lads that death is their final sentence? The Lord doesn’t roll like that, my brother - He doesn’t use a jackhammer to kill a fly. Our conclusions are what they are but they wouldn’t take away the morale of the story - Children must respect their elders and parents must train a child in the way that they should go. Peace |
| Religion / Re: Elisha, The Youths And The She-bears. by Acehart: 8:26pm On Oct 19, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: I hope I’m not banned because of this your long comment o. Ehen, here is the account from the narrative: Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city. You see, Elisha didn’t enter Bethel yet when he was mobbed. Then, all the Bible reference you stated where speaking about the elements of God’s judgement upon a disbelieving people. The devourers of the scriptures to wit are: the sword, famine, pestilence and wild beasts, had a wide reach, so to say, rather that this microscopic event. All but a few bible versions says tear or wounded, not killing. (Below is a screen shot of the Hebrew Bible translation). A couple of chapters later, we see the beginning of the judgment against Israel with the sword of Assyria raised against them. I’d like to stick with the best translations regarding this event - the maiming of the lads by the she-bears.
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| Religion / Re: Elisha, The Youths And The She-bears. by Acehart: 8:09pm On Oct 19, 2020 |
elated177: It was a question based on conjecture. |
| Religion / Re: Believers, don't disregard what I share here (especially the Prophesies) by Acehart: 12:26pm On Oct 19, 2020 |
Your prophecies are not the truth. |
| Religion / Re: Elisha, The Youths And The She-bears. by Acehart: 9:07am On Oct 19, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Okay, I’ll wait |
| Religion / Re: Elisha, The Youths And The She-bears. by Acehart: 6:42am On Oct 19, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Good morning. Hope you had a good night’s rest? In the first two part response you gave, you argued with whosoever you were responding to that the lads were split up and not killed. In the second part, you outrightly said that the lads were killed. Hugh Glass (Leonardo DiCaprio) wasn’t killed by the bear. If that 10 foot bear focused on one person like it did in the movie, then we would have only one casualty and not forty two. I’d just like to ask you this: if those kids were killed, do you think Bethel would have granted Elisha passage? Do you think the same treatment Jesus got for killing the Gadara swines would be the same treatment that would have been dispensed to Elisha? I’d like to imagine that the kids were killed, as you have said; do you think an ‘avenger of blood’ would have found an occasion to go after Elisha? |
| Religion / Re: Elisha, The Youths And The She-bears. by Acehart: 10:22pm On Oct 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Uhm. In your first post you contradicted yourself; but I guess you have made a stand now - the lads were killed. This shows that you do your study with the contemporary English version. If you really do use this Bible version, you will mislead yourself and a lot of people. I’m just thinking of the movie Revenant and pondering. |
| Religion / Re: Elisha, The Youths And The She-bears. by Acehart: 9:18pm On Oct 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Where was it written that the bears killed those lads? From the account, it seems there were more than forty-two of them, and only the number mauled was recorded. |
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