DappaD:


No no no—my intention wasn't and never is to insult anyone. I'm just trying to draw parallels here.
If you say you believe in Jesus, there's no problem. I'm not trying to make you feel out of place.

Indeed, “Jehovah knows those who belong to him”—2Timothy 2:19
So if Satan and the demons believe that God and Jesus exist, then there has to be a criteria someone must meet to be approved of God. That's all I'm saying.

Praise the Lord!

DappaD:


Yes I know
Even the demons that believe God and Jesus exist will have eternal life, abi no be so? —James 2:19

The verse says the devils believe that God is one and not what you are writing up there to insult me!

DappaD:


No problem—everybody has his or her own free will to express. So whether you're stagnant oo or you're moving oo is not my wahala.

So far—nothing has changed from the Scriptures that Jesus is the archangel Michael—in his heavenly position.

I just see this as a desperate attempt to draw JW's out and argue vehemently with them.
But at the end of the day, nothing will be achieved because there's absolutely nothing JW's can learn from you concerning the Scriptures.

Do you see this as a desperate attempt to draw the JWs out? Well, that’s not my aim. Though the JWs are always spoilt for arguments, I’m not inclined to arguments and wouldn’t enjoy the sport of drawing anyone out for an argument. In the end, whether one believes Jesus is Michael or not, Salvation is of Christ Jesus alone: Only those who believe in Christ Jesus would have eternal life.

MaxInDHouse:


So wait for the result of other people's study too!

Yes!

DappaD:
Abeg no be Acehart be this for the screenshot below?
Abi my eye don dey turn me so

Yes, it is I. That was my view for the last few years. But I am not stagnant. I studied to know the truth and this is the truth: Michael isn’t Jesus.

Barristter07:


You are damned confused. so when number 2 happens .... the dead Rises , whose voice raised them ??

Maybe I am confused. But I leave you with these definitions (in pictures).

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with an order, accompanied by the proclamation of the archangel and then the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Barristter07:


With is not the problem, the problem is that voice cries and the dead in Christ rise.... Whose voice raise the dead ?

Barrister, the word “with“ in English language means accompany(ing). If you look at the Greek Bible, you would see this order:

1. The Christ gives the command.
2. The Archangel raises his voice.
3. The Trumpet of God is sounded.

This is the reason I asked you if you knew the meaning of “with”. Paraphrasing that verse according to the intention of the writer, it is:
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with an order, accompanied by the proclamation of the archangel and then the trumpet of God (is heralded) and the dead in Christ will rise first.

You asked if I am happy by the knowledge of this? Of course. I hoped you would have been happier than me.

Barristter07:


Voice belonging to Arch Angel,

Trumpet belonging to God ... Possesive statement.


If Jesus is not Micheal , does that mean it's Micheals voice that the dead will hear ?

The secret to understanding this text so that no one will fall into error is the word “shout”. If you get it, you will be the happiest man today.

Barristter07:


Voice belonging to Arch Angel,

Trumpet belonging to God ... Possesive statement.


If Jesus is not Micheal , does that mean it's Micheals voice that the dead will hear ?

Sir, do you know the meaning of “with”? Where there may be any misunderstanding of the right meaning of the word “with” which is best fit for the text, let’s look at the Greek bible in the picture below for better understanding:

Barristter07:



1Thes 4:16

For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.


This place said it's Voice of arch angel that will command the dead in Christ . So once again , whose voice will the dead hear ?

Hello. I know you know the function of commas in the English grammar. I would like you to permit me ask you these: What is the place of the trumpet? Is the Lord a trumpet? I ask this because you infer that from this verse, the Lord is the archangel; is the Lord the trumpet as well?

I also want to ask you this: what function of the comma made you arrive at your conclusion?

Barristter07:


Whose voice will raise the dead ?

John 5:27...because He is the Son of Man.

John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,

John 5:29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

BlueAngel444:
lmao so you are saying you lack understanding of those simple questions
I actually thought they were straight forward enough

Praise the Lord

BlueAngel444:
you skipped more important questions, addressed the least one but still did not answer it. Interesting.

Frame your questions properly then.

BlueAngel444:
how many archangels are mentioned in the 66books of the bible?
doesn't arch mean First

is it written sons of God as mentioned in genesis and Job.
is Jesus not the First and chief corner stone.

is the man you are quoting more reliable than scripture?

It’s just an exposition. When writing, it isn’t out of place to put the thoughts of renowned scholars in ones exposition. You could be quoted tomorrow, as one very knowledgeable; this shouldn’t be seen as an error or an aberration especially if your thoughts agree with the scriptures.

Frame your questions properly then.

Emusan:


A good Bible student who truly read his/her will know Michael can never be equate with the Our Risen Lord, Jesus Christ.

Especially when considering some Bible passages like:

Jeremiah 17:10
I, Yahweh, examine the mind, I test the heart to give to each according to his way, according to what his actions deserve. - HCSB

I, Yahweh, examine the mind, I test the heart, and give to each one according to his way, according to the fruit of his deeds. - LEB

I, Yahweh, search minds and test hearts. I will reward each person for what he has done. I will reward him for the results of his actions. - NOG

Yahweh said He is THE ONE who searches the mind and tests the heart

Then hear what The Risen Lord, Jesus Christ says

Revelation 2:23
I will kill her children with the plague. Then all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who examines minds and hearts, and I will give to each of you according to your works. - HCSB

And I will kill her children with deadly disease, and all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who searches minds and hearts, and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds. - LEB

I will kill her children. Then all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who searches hearts and minds. I will reward each of you for what you have done. - NOG

I AM THE ONE used here means Jesus refers to Himself as YAHWEH of Jeremiah we read above!

Very true. This attribute of examining and testing the heart and minds is seen in the Holy Spirit; we see Him knowing the intent of the hearts of Ananias and his wife. The Holy Spirit knows the mind of God as well.

We know Satan is domiciled in religion as an angel of light; therefore, he would shroud the true intent of God through false interpretation of the word; his time will be cut short, hallelujah!

Thanks for your effort to enlighten our minds.

jesusjnr2020:
Angel Michael is a servant of Christ, the Son of God.

The erroneous idea being spread by the Jehovah Witnesses that Christ is same as Angel Michael is not farfetched, since they've already reduced the Person of Christ, who is the Son of God, to that of a mere servant in their doctrine.

So for them to also say angel Michael, a servant of God, is the same as Christ is not atypical to their false teachings.

The teaching of Michael as the Christ is not peculiar to the JW alone. Some ‘white-garment‘ churches teach so as well.

Many churches/organizations have been wrong in many doctrines; but as time progressed, they changed their views for the better. Let’s just pray and hope that they come to the full knowledge of the word of God so that our joy may be full.

WoundedLamb:


Heartwarming response

You might want to take out time to educate your friend above on how to engage people with decorum. His/her responses don't make room for non fallacious conversations.

He is my brother; he is yours too. His real name is Boanerges.

You seem like one with a good head on his shoulders; it would be nice if you posted a lot of good things in this section. It’s horrifying seeing what the mods post on front page as Christian topics. It would be nice if someday “WoundedLamb” flooded this section with topics of divine concern that there wouldn’t be any reason for those men employed as mods to post airheaded topics that have nothing to do with Christian living.

I hope you begin today and surely, if it is nice, I would comment without any air of aggression, sneering or opposition.

WoundedLamb:


There are some questions to which we do know the answer. But there are other questions to which the best answer we can give is, ‘I don’t know.’ ‘The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us’ (Deuteronomy 29:29a).[b] The culture, positions and power hierarchies of heaven doesn't necessarily affect the message of salvation and it's better we accept we don't understand the dynamics than to come up with theories just to support out opinions. Such opinionated teachings only bring more division and misunderstanding. [/b]Why not concentrate on the message of love which is simple, complete and straightforward?

I understand your reservation: topics like this just heaps dogma upon dogma that doesn’t lead to salvation. However, you should understand that if men use the scriptures to justify the unjustifiable, they would use every medium available to them to express unbalanced theology. If it takes
a little yeast to work through the whole batch of dough, false teachers would work and the outcome would be devastating. This writeup is to confound them; and it was also posted in the hopes that they would change and stop their divisive ways, which they do in subtlety, not through topics but through conversation which you may not be privy to.

I have taken your advice into consideration. I would see how I would write or post write ups on love for God and for men.

MuttleyLaff:
I endorse 10000% without demur

The bible, in Proverbs 25:2, states that:
"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings" or "It is God’s privilege to conceal things and the king’s privilege to discover them," so it's not OK not to know, but its OK to roll up your sleeves, pull out your fingers, stop sitting on your hands and get to work doing a 2 Timothy 2:15.

"Ise logun ise" loosely translated means "Work and/or study, cancels out lack of depth and its the remedy to reverse knowledge poverty with"

I wonder why a moniker bearing the name “wounded lamb” would have such a reaction.

WoundedLamb:
It's actually funny when humans tell tales of heavenly culture, positions and hierarchies like it's one town in Ogun state. Y'all mustn't have answers to everything. It's ok not to know.

Ah! you should see many a Nigerian who go for visa interviews and speak so much about a county, district, town or city in the country (which they haven’t been to) they intend to go to. Wouldn’t it be strange if those who see themselves as pilgrims in this world can’t speak of the (heavenly) city they intend to go to after their sojourn is ended? If it is the way of the people of this world to speak of the culture of foreign lands gloriously, it shouldn’t be strange to hear them speak of culture of celestial lands gloriously.

Cc: Muttleylaff

Is Michael the Christ?

A controversial theory suggests that Michael was the pre-incarnate Christ. He is given the title of “prince” and shown to be a “protector of the people Israel.” Yet, “the one who protects Israel” is God Himself, says Don Stewart. “My help comes from the LORD” (Psalm 121:2-4). Many people argue that if God protects Israel, and Michael protects Israel, they must be one in the same. Moreover, when Christ returns, He will come with “the voice, or cry of command, of the archangel” (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

But, as Stewart points out, Michael is one of the chief princes of angels. Jesus is never given the title “chief prince” among His many names which include “King of Kings and Lord of Lords” (Revelation 19:16). Michael is like the “legatus Augusti proparetore” who “commanded an entire province.” He is one of several commanders in the angelic army. He is not unique. Jesus is the one and only Son of God.

In Matthew 28:18, Jesus tells His disciples, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” This cannot be said of the Archangel Michael who, as Jude tells us, could not rebuke Satan; only God can do that. As one with the Father, Christ can rebuke the Devil also.

The real power is Christ’s authority to forgive sins, demonstrated by His sacrifice, by submission to Roman punishment, and His victory over death. Angels accomplish what humans imagined Christ would do — defeat armies — while only Christ could surpass the limits of human imagination and desire by accomplishing victory over what matters most — separation from God because of our sin.

Who Is the Archangel Michael to Us?
There really are angels; Scripture points to their existence too often to deny that God made them, and they serve a purpose in God’s kingdom. Angels are “mighty ones” who work for God (Psalm 103:20) using His authority and the power He gave them to fight Satan. We see that in the verses cited above. Wayne Grudem tells us that angels deliver messages, “carry out some of God’s judgments,” act as an “example” to us in their worship of and obedience to God, and “patrol the earth as God’s representatives.” They act on behalf of God’s people as per God’s command.

This should create a sense of wonder; that there are angels around us doing God’s will, invisible to humans. Elisha and his servant were surrounded by the force of Syria, and Elisha’s servant was terrified. “Do not be afraid, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them” (2 Kings 6:16). Elisha could see what was invisible to most people: God’s forces at work on behalf of His people. Angels are at work around us, and it is tempting to become more enthralled with these beautiful, mighty creatures than with the Son of God.

Even as he fights Satan during the end times, however, the Archangel Michael will not be as powerful as the Messiah. We see Michael as a sword-carrying warrior against demons, but the blade we are most concerned with as Christians is the sword of the Word, an essential piece of the “full armor of God” (Ephesians 6).

What Does This Mean?
One must not worship anyone other than the Lord for, as John Gilhooly reminds us, “to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? (Hebrews 1:5). “It is bad doctrine that makes creatures secure by creatures.” The Bible repeatedly “promises the very presence of God by the Spirit through faith. We ought to take comfort in the eternal God and his everlasting arms (Deuteronomy 33:27), not the arms of angels.”

-Candice Lucey (2020)

MaxInDHouse:

Preaching and teaching is not expected to be done on faceless social media, that's why you're here to make presentations only, interested readers will call back by quoting you if you've said something that touches their soul. So if you're not getting any favourable response know that you're not making any sense at all!

Okay sir

MaxInDHouse:


Just make your presentation, play your own part and leave the part of readers/followers!

What presentation? Does one play music for the deaf?

Dtruthspeaker:


Ok,, thanks! But I'm still hoping there would be good news from the Odukpani-Itu Express way, to re feel my joys when I used to ply that road quarterly with my Sweet Audi 80, night bus, day bus, Cross Lines, Cross country, Edo line (didn't enjoy that trip), Etteyen Motors, USA Motors (these two are gone now and I remember I used to see their Marcopolos/Scania in ikot-ekpene and Agbor, Aktc, TABASCO, Calculux, Agofure (ran small and vamoosed), lets not forget RTC

oh December, come that thou mayest see Calabar again!

Dtruthspeaker:


Ok,, thanks! But I'm still hoping there would be good news from the Odukpani-Itu Express way, to re feel my joys when I used to ply that road quarterly with my Sweet Audi 80, night bus, day bus, Cross Lines, Cross country, Edo line (didn't enjoy that trip), Etteyen Motors, USA Motors (these two are gone now and I remember I used to see their Marcopolos/Scania in ikot-ekpene and Agbor, Aktc, TABASCO, Calculux, Agofure (ran small and vamoosed), lets not forget RTC

oh December, come that thou mayest see Calabar again!

If you can afford it, just go by air. The 45 mins flight will delight you.

Janosky:


Aceheart , Jesus Christ never taught your FALSE gospel you are passing off on this thread.

Did Jesus Christ tell you Eunuchs are into homosexual practices or get married to a fellow man?

Hello, I have noticed a lot of people don’t read on this forum. They skim through and speak like they have comprehended. This is another case and in respect, I’ll be silent.

Janosky:

MuttleyLaff was lambasted on NL for his tacit support of homosexuality, now he is LYING AGAINST Romans 1:26-28 .

Bros, you fit give the devil tutorials

CC:
Acehart: Bros, see the Screenshots of the Muttley homo fan Spirit filled NONSENSE

Hi. Hope you had a very great day and having a nice evening?

Do know what? I have not wrapped my mind concerning the homosexuality topic. Regarding Muttleylaff’s opinion, I don’t know what they are- I did not follow that topic. But I’ll like to cast my gaze on Matthew 19:12, in the hopes that may find a string that ties homosexuality to the text.

1. Some are born eunuchs.
2. Some were made eunuchs.
3. Some people make themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom.

Earlier, Jesus’ narrative centered on marriage; he went on to set a higher standard regarding marriage and divorce than that enacted in the Ordinance of Moses; and refuting the edicts set by the rabbinical schools of those days. Only those given to stomach the law of God, ab initio, would heed his words. Summarily, this is Jesus’ definition of marriage: marriage is for a man and woman; they must be faithful, loving and easily overlook offenses - a bond never to be broken.

That discourse centered on marriage until Christ spoke of those who could stomach his saying. Why? Marriage is sexual in nature. Of course, a male eunuch wouldn’t venture into marriage except we have something similar to the tale of Missandei and Grey Worm. But was Jesus referring to a eunuch in the heart, rather than of the body? If this is the former, then the eunuch set number three would fit the bill.

Many men who divorce their wives (for any reason at all v.3) do so because of sexual lust. If a man’s heart was circumcised or castrated, he would not find pleasure in sexual lusts. Therefore, sticking with one wife would be easy.

So how does this relate to homosexuality? Homosexuality is chiefly about sexual preference rather than marriage. Research shows that the sexual desire of an average homosexual is far greater than that of heterosexuals: homosexuals can have as many as ten (or more) sexual encounters in a day. Promiscuity is the hallmark of homosexual relationships. When same sex marriages are scrutinized, fidelity doesn’t exist in all of them. Therefore, according to Jesus’ definition, marriage and homosexuality (same sex)should not be put in the same sentence.

If Muttleylaff supported homosexuality, I’m sure he is man of reasoning and good reasoning would overturn his position. Try to talk him out of his present inclination in love and kindness.

Dtruthspeaker:


You already know the answer and The Lord did not talk about their power to remain in the bag in His Explanation.

He Clearly Explained that "People/Humans are THE SEEDS" and He clearly told us the different things that shall happen to them, which we all have seen and bear witness to for we have seen and have known a particular person who falls into one of these groups of persons captured in that parable

Meanwhile, those who are planted in "good soil" are not seen and are very scarce, exactly as The Lord Said "and few there be that find it." Mathew 7:14.

Further your Isaiah 35: 8 which is presented above is bent differently (which is why I advocate for the use of KjV) leading you to have the view (I would have said the interpretation you are giving to it but you contested the word interpretation, so I hope "view" would be sufficient) you have presented which I respectfully say, is not correct.

For Isaiah 35:8-10 kjv proves my case of Only Those Planted on the Good Soil, duplicated hereunder.

"And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, (this was omitted in your quote above) though fools, shall not err therein. (which is to make a mistake or error. Why? Because they know not to make a mistake or error)

9 No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there: (Only those who are truly redeemed, not everyone who claims they are redeemed. For no one redeems himself, therefore no one ought say that they are redeemed. For saying you are redeemed does not Redeem. For if you are Redeemed, you are Redeemed and it Shows without you having to say a word. Just like a person who is in the kidnappers den, is in the den and it shows. So also He who is redeemed from the den, is known and Seen!)

10 And the ransomed of the Lord shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away." (This is the Proof that The Lord has Indeed Ransomed you and Anyone who does not Live This Way, Is Not Yet Ransomed, Therefore, They Have Not Eternal Life!

When you have Enternal Life, you Will Know, For You can even breathe it in through your nostrils and you also see that death is gone from you, Fear is gone, Exactly As it is Written!

I wonder why you opposed that guy then- you said he was misleading; now you sound like him in advanced mode. However, you have not written anything wrong; you two are saying the same thing; but please try not to start a conversation through hostility.

Mightyodi:


Do you mean the call or front-page.

Call that phone number

MaxInDHouse:

Hallelujah! Revelations 19:6

MaxInDHouse:


Go and proclaim the good news to all your folks, tell them that "in the world, once a soldier is forever a soldier, but thanks to our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus, because in Christ once a sinner is NOW a new creature" 1Corinthians 6:11

Praise the Lord!!!

Dtruthspeaker:


I understand your interpretation but then you have not averted your mind to the parable of the Seeds.

The Only Successful Seeds are those who have Found Life that is Only those who are planted on and in good soil.

All others will fall and must fall at one time or the other.

And this is just one side then we have the other matter of the Parable of the 10 Virgins!

Did I put up any interpretation? Doesn’t the scripture interpret itself?

I’d like to ask you these questions from the parable of the Sower:

1. Did the seeds in his bag have the power to choose which soil they would fall on?
2. Did the seeds have the power to leap off from the type of soil they fell on to dissimilar soil? For example: did the seed that fell by the road side have the power to leap off onto the good soil?
3. Was there anywhere in the narrative where they was a change in mind in the sower for him to turn back and pick each seed that fell on poor soil and place them on the good soil?

And a highway shall be there, and it shall be called the Way of Holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it. It shall belong to those who walk on the way; even if they are fools, they shall not go astray.

-Isaiah 35:8