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sheyguy: OP is not answering some important question.Sorry, can you repeat those questions. Maybe I missed them |
kemisole: Horse meat in ebony stateThat is jackie! |
PhysicsQED: ACM, I would recommend reading two old articles that comment significantly on this indigenization process:Noted! I will look for those articles. Thank you! |
Ufeolorun: Another petty thread,by the way there's one here https://www.nairaland.com/1027995/post-civil-war-indigenization-policy-far-reaching/2 join the victims-conventionWhy is my thread petty? Why can't u come over there and dismantle the lead argument with your superior argument? Any thread that tells u the ear-biting story of the behaviour of your ancestors is petty |
Jackie meat when I visited a village in Ebonyi. Almost ate python meat in a restaurant at Iselle-uku, Delta State. If not that my friend asked. Python is a sacred reptile in my local government |
I'm not surprised that there are preponderance of Yoruba posters on this thread. The same folks that praised the subsidy scam artists like Otedola turns around to deride the militants. The oil is drilled from their land. They will be left to suffer the consequences of environmental degradation when oil dries up. So why wont they benefit from the natural resources God blessed them with? Proceeds from the oil lifted from their territory is used to develop your cities, create employment for your youths. So what's the fuss? What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Why should you raise an eyebrow, when your politicians steals a larger amount? |
@Onlytruth, I thank you for stating your point clearly. In my opinion, British were scammed. Maybe like someone pointed out, they didn't resist such move because the have their eyes fixed on the newly discovered oil in the eastern region. But that one will be a debate for another day. I expect posters from the other side to shoot down these scathing reviews of issues that bothers on indigenisation policy point by point. |
Katsumoto: As for you, this thread is not about Ojukwu, so you have to wait for another Ojukwu before I kick your ar.se again.Till then ![]() |
BizBooks: I'm practically a stranger in the Politics section and don't know who is who. Thank you forYou are welcome. He's our resident "google search" specialist. When debates goes beyond google, then the debate goes beyond him. Catch him on every thread with catchword "Biafra", "Ojukwu", "Awolowo", "Sanusi". He's an interesting character that loves to condescend on anyone that debates against him. He often gets emotional during debates, at the same time accuse the opposing forces of debating with emotion. Finally, he mostly presents internet junks as facts. |
Katsumoto: And you don't think that a majority find your attempts at revising history and casting aspersions on the noble names of Fela and Funmilayo Ransome Kuti as utterly desperate and exasperating.But when it comes to the issue of Ojukwu, you will compose a lengthy epistle telling us to discard Ojukwu's account in favour of your "balanced" historian tales. Can you see that you are a hypocrite? You speaks from both sides of your mouth. Endeavour to put this disclaimer after every sermon of yours, "believe at your own risk" |
South-west are unsure if they want the country to break up. Let's not be decieved. What the South-west wants is a form of arrangement where we form a loose federation. This was exactly their position in 1966 conference. Had it been that they want the country to break up, they would have teamed up with similar agitators in the south. Rather they do every thing within thier means to suppress such groups in the south. |
dayokanu: These companies were british owned and had headquarters in LagosSeriously, you are too slow. If you sound so unintelligent one more time, I will hit my ignore button on you. If you acquire Microsoft, you acquires all their assets wherever it is located. Going by your argument, how many companies were left standing in the war-ravaged east? This is not a scramble for abandoned property. This goes beyond that. Is it so difficult for you to comprehend? Back to the topic. |
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Let's stick with the topic ACM10: The posts above was culled from Onlytruth's comment. |
Ejiné: "one blow seven akpus"?Attack the issues raised and ignore the delivery. |
dayokanu: All those companies you named are in the SW and were indigenized by SWesterners. if you want to indigenize companies, Look for those in your side of the country.Don't drift away from the topic. Those companies were British-owned which were located close to the British administrative headquarter. Those corporations were not owned by Nigerians or the Yorubas ab initio. This must be the exact reason given by the supporters of that policy. When meritocracy is trounced by nepotism, then you should expect the situation we found ourselves now. |
dayokanu: Mobil has offices in EketThe companies you listed have the operational head offices in Lagos and the western region. We are not talking about the scramble for buildings or structures. This is about the takeover of a company and all its assets that are scattered within the confines of Nigeria's territory including its maritime territories. |
odumchi: Interesting.Good question! But that should be for another thread. The aim of this thread is to X-ray the policy that was enacted by the Gowon regime under the advice of the then Finance minister, Obafemi Awolowo. What is its impact on the lives of average Nigerians? How did it affect the economic landscape of Nigeria. Your contribution will be valued |
centje: Dr.ACMOh yes! The topic deserves to be debated. I hope u will come back to make your contribution. ![]() |
BlackBaron: each and every single company was located in the western region, I'll like to know what happened to companies in other regions. Sadly I can't mention any though. HiiiPower: The OP is being disingenuous! dayokanu: OP, Why are Igbos interested in companies located in the SW? dayokanu: Wont it be your responsibility to find out companies located in the SE and find out if it was Yorubas who took them over?The onus is on you guys to name those companies that are located in other regions of Nigeria. You made the assertion, not me. |
BlackBaron: I must say the OP is VERY biased. Whilst in every right, the 20£ saga in my books was on a grand scale of wickedness and opportunistic theft.Thanks for your civility. Can u point out those bias? Can you name some of those nationalized companies located in the other regions? I hope that Onlytruth will come around to respond to the accusation of bias. |
HiiiPower: Most of companies you listed were owned by the western region,The companies were British-owned companies which were nationalized during the indigenization policy. Yorubas acquired those companies when the indigenization policy took effect. I doubt if you read the post thoroughly because your doubts were well attended to. You can drive home your point by telling us the founders of those companies you listed. Ofcourse the companies were located in western region which is closest to the seat of British power in the country. The events that took place during the indigenization policy can be compared to what happened during the fall of Soviet Union. Overnight, taxi drivers became instant millionaires by acquiring state-owned companies with little or nothing. They later became known as the Russian oligarchs. Igbos are not trying to jealous Yorubas. Besides, this is purely my personal opinion and may/may not reflect that of average Igboman. I intends to set the records straight. It will be nice if Nigerian youths learns from this event in our history. |
asha 80: you honestly think that you will get honest debate on this issue in nairaland/are you new here?i laugh.You can never tell |
The posts above was culled from Onlytruth's comment. www.nairaland.com/1023852/answers-common-questions-igbo-people/27#11913499 1. Do you agree with him? 2. Can you give us your own account of INDIGENIZATION POLICY? 3. How does this policy shape/affect Nigeria's economic landscape? I intends to open a debate on this little known event among today's youth that had far-reaching consequence(s). It is so far-reaching that it continues to resonate up till this day. I invite intellectuals, historians, economists to debate on this topic without rancor or emotions. I plead with mudslingers to read and move on. |
Thousands of Yoruba became millionaires overnight and there was jubilation and owanbe all over Yoruba land. Yoruba had parties day and night and weekends. They closed streets to display their new found wealth as they partied. That day marked the economic death of Nigeria, that day marked the death of Nigerians aspiration to join the civilized world. The implication was enormous and it sent a shock wave throughout the Ibo land, It was a dark history day, it was a day of manifest wickedness and viciousness, Ibo was dumbfounded, the days that followed were days of economic , social and psychological morose and confusion that are still lingering today within the Ibo. It might be hard to accept but Awo got the Ibo good and the country as well, he brought the Ibo to his knees economically at least temporarily and Ibo has never recovered from that one blow seven akpus in any appreciable way but Nigeria as whole is worse off for it. I believe that what was more devastating was that Ibo had no place or body to turn to. To be blunt, Awo decapitated the Ibo leadership and through Ibo into great confusion. It is important to note that by this singular act of INDIGENIZATION DECREE engineered by the Yoruba, the Yoruba de facto constituted the new economic foundation, the sole owner and manager of Nigerian economy without any rivals. So, for those that have wondered why Ibo became traders, this is the why. The Yoruba will not let any Ibo near the management of any of these stolen corporations, will not let Ibo buy any shares of these corporations for decades following the heist. Now, some people without the capacity to comprehend the full seismic implication of this economic shift and restructuring will want us to believe that this does not matter and I will beg to disagree because it is like everything else, the foundation of everything matters and determines the success or failure, be it a house or business. As time has revealed, Yoruba stealing and forming the economic foundation for Nigeria was a bad idea and a monumental disaster. For the ignorants, all things being equal (in a fair fight) the Yoruba knew it, the British knew it, the Ibo knew it and the world knew it that the Yoruba did not possess the capacity, creativity, drive, perseverance, hard work and the competence to do what some are crediting to it if they did not conspire to steal not only from the British and Ibo but from everybody else that had any assets in Nigeria. The apparent dominant control the Yoruba has on the economy since after the war was not out of great honest smartness or creativity or innovation or hard work or competence but out of share robbery of the British and Ibo sweat and hard work. I believe that the question that the benign ignorant should be asking going forward is what did Yoruba do with all these assets and corporations that they stole? How did the country fair under the Yoruba management of the Nigerian economy? How did the Yoruba managed economy relate to todays economic malaise. Hope they can make the connections. My next piece will try to capture the mind blowing implications of that great heist as it relates to Nigerians and Ibo in particular and the flight of international investment from Nigerian for decades. |
As expected, the British were caught off guide, not understanding the motive behind the policy, the British thought it was a dream or a joke that will go away, particularly given the fact that they just won the war against the Ibo for the Yoruba and Hausa. After exhausting six months out of the one year in their bid to reverse the decree, the British became frantic and concluded that they could not reverse the decree and went about trying to salvage whatever they could. What was worst was that the British did not even have enough time to evaluate the worth of their ventures because of the limited time the decree allowed, courtesy of Awo and cabal. The situation gave chaos a new name because the British were in chaos. So the first problem the British ran into was limited time that they couldnt figure what the value of majority of their ventures were, they could not tell how much to sell them for. Mind you that this was happening within a year after the end of the civil war. At this time the Yoruba was running every conceivable federal ministries, departments and agencies plus all the corporations listed above and more that the British owned. It is important to point out that the north had little or no presence in the commerce economy of the country before the war and after the war except in the military leadership and infantry. The economy of the country was dominated by Ibo first and Yoruba second before the war. In order to solidify the economic dominance that the Yoruba attained during and after the war and to make their position even more potent in acquiring the British spoils, Awo as the finance minister and chairman of the federal military council and his Yoruba cabal decided to economically emasculate the Ibo understanding a) That Yoruba was fully running every conceivable federal parastatals b) That Yoruba was running every conceivable corporation that the British owned or had majority ownership as listed above. c) That Yoruba was managing all the Nigerian banks, insurance corporations, National shipping line, Nigerian airways, Nigerians Ports authority, Nigerian Railways and all the ministries, Departments and Agencies conceivable. Decided to destroy whatever was left of the Ibo and putting a finishing touch to it by a) Stealing through confiscating all the millions of pounds that Ibo had in all the Nigerian banks b) Offering every Ibo person #20 pounds regardless of how many millions they had in the Nigerian banks before the war. c) Militarizing every part of Ibo land. d) Rendering every Ibo without exception a pauper. e) Banning every importation of stock fish and used clothes to deprive the Ibo of any economic ability to compete with the Yoruba in buying into the British assets. When that day of infamy arrived for the British to start selling their assets, Igbo having been disenfranchised and emasculated in any and every way stood on the sideline watching the Yoruba in their glee as they scrambled to obtain loans from their Yoruba dominated banks to make the most minimal of offers to the British as there were no competitions. The British had no choice but to accept any offer as the alternative was losing everything to the federal government. The British lost pretty much all their investment to the Yoruba whose stock in trade is robbing and stealing any and everything they can get their hands on. |
British/Biafran war started, Ibo, for their safety left their jobs in different parts of the country to return to the east, the Ibo land. After the end of the war, the Ibo went back to seek for their jobs that they left for security reasons, the Yoruba who took advantage and occupied the positions that Ibo left decided that they will not relinquish those position because according to the Yoruba, Ibo abandoned their positions and do not deserve their position back, reminiscent of the abandon property thievery in Port Harcourt River State and Lagos. However, a dynamic developed as Ibo every morning dressed up and went and occupied the lobbies of their different offices that they used to work in. Tell me, if this is not manifest bravery of the highest order ever exhibited by any group in Nigeria and we are talking about days and weeks immediately after the war was declared over. But the final say as to whether or not the positions that Ibo left for dire life was going to be declared abandoned rested on the British that owned these companies. As the back and forth went on, the British started angling to make an economic decision because they understood the difference between the Ibo worker and the Yoruba worker and the three years of the civil war made that difference even more crystal clear to the British, if not, why would the British bother to accommodate the Ibo after such a long time? What became clear to the Yoruba was that the British were willing to make extra provision to re-absorb the Ibo any way possible. Yoruba was not ready to tolerate any of that because they knew that it was a matter of time before the wheat will be separated from the shaft that Ibo will assume their prominent positions. In order to prevent the British from re-absorbing the Ibo into these British owned companies, the corporate Yoruba decided to solicit the help of Awolowo who was then the finance minister and chairman of the federal military council. This is where a plan was hashed to wrest the control of these companies, consisting of banks, insurance companies, corporations of different kinds and types from the British. The best way Awo and his cabal found fit was to convince Gowon and the military leadership who in all probability have never had the word indigenization in their lives to promulgate the INDIGENIZATION DECREE in 1972 that stipulated that every foreign owned venture must transfer majority ownership to Nigerian indigenes within a year of the promulgation of the decree or they will forfeit the assets of the company to the Nigerian government. (Emphasis within a year) |
WHAT ENGENDERED THE INDIGENIZATION POLICY? It is no more news worthy to point out that before the civil war that Ibo out of their capacity for honesty, to work hard, to produce, to innovate, to manage, create and persevere were able to penetrate all facets of Nigerian endeavor, when the British used merit as a yard stick. It is an irrefragable fact that even Yoruba would not dare challenge that fact, if not, what started the Yoruba hate, envy and jealousy against the Ibo in the first place, Yoruba and Hausa claimed that Ibo was dominating everything in the country but what they will not acknowledge publicly was the fact that the British were making the decisions about who to hire by their own standard and not by Ibo standard and that Ibo was good at what they did and better than them. The Yoruba and Hausa wanted not only equal opportunity they also wanted equal outcome regardless of effort and everyone knows that that is impossible. There is one very important fact in my analysis that I want everyone to get, and that is that before the civil war, Nigeria as a nation did not have an economic of its own. Let me say it again, that Nigeria as a nation before the British/Biafran civil war did not have an economy of its own. I emphasized that point in other to say that whatever seemed like Nigerian economy were British owned. Put differently, if you excluded few of the regional cooperatives and some joint ventures businesses which were mostly British engineered to make buying raw materials easy for the British, ever y other aspect of the economy were owned majorly by the British, even the military, given the fact that almost every military supply came from Britain. It is then save to say that British investment in Nigeria amounted to a great totality of Nigerian economy or that Nigerian economy was at that time synonymous to the total investment of the British. Below, courtesy of Africa today are the list of some of the companies that constituted Nigerian economy before the war that the Yoruba stole in one swoop, spanning the insurance companies like Lloyds of London and all the banks in Nigeria owned one way or the other by the British. This is but a partial list of what constituted the British investment in Nigerian economy. Pharmaceutical Nigeria Plc ,May and Baker Nigeria Plc,Vitafoam Nigeria Plc,Wahum Nigeria Limited ,CAP Nigeria Plc , International Paints of West Africa [IPWA], Berger Paints Nigeria Plc, Berec Nigeria Limited, Kabelmetal, Nigeria Bottling Company Plc, Leventis Nigeria Plc ,West African Portland Cement Company,[Lafarge ],Wema Bank Nigeria Plc, Scoa Nigeria Plc ,CFAO Nigeria Plc, Cadbury Nigeria Plc, Wemaboard Estates, Odua Group, Livestock Feeds Nigeria Plc , Nigerian Breweries Plc, new nigerian Bank, Batta, Kingsway Stores, Crittal Hope (Nigeria) Limited, Mushin, Lagos State. Dunlop (Nig.) Industries Plc, Ikeja, Lagos State. Galvanising Industries Limited, Ikeja, Lagos State. Nigeria Construction & Water Resources Development Company Limited, Ibadan, Oyo State Nigerian Wire & Cable Plc, Ibadan, Oyo State Nigerite PLC, Ikeja, Lagos State Nipol Limited, Ibadan, Oyo State Odu'a Textile Industries Limited, Ado-Ekiti, Ekiti State Soleh Boneh Overseas (Nigeria) Limited, Ibadan, Oyo State Vono Products Plc, Mushin, Lagos State Wema Bank Plc, Marina, Lagos West African Portland Cement Plc, Ikeja, Lagos State Great Nigeria Insurance PLC, Ikoyi, Lagos State Glanvill Enthoven & Company Limited ?Guinness (Nig.) Plc, Ikeja, Lagos State. ?International Breweries Plc, Ilesa, Osun State. ?Macmillian Publishers (Nig) Limited, Ilupeju, Lagos ?Nestle Food (Nig) Plc, Ikeja, Lagos State ?Nidogas Company Limited, Lagos State ?Niger Mills Company Limited, Calabar, Cross River State ? Nigerian Aluminium Extrusions Limited, Lagos ?SKG-Pharma (Nig.) Limited, Lagos ? Tower Aluminium (Nig.) Plc, Lagos ?U. A. C. of Nigeria Plc., Lagos etc. The necessity of inserting this partial list of the companies/assets that existed before the war was to give the reader a sense of the extent of what the issue is all about and who owned what and when. The Yoruba hardly owned much of anything or any of these assets listed above except in some regional joint cooperative ventures with the British. The story went like this, before the war the Ibo dominated the economic work force followed by the Yoruba, when |
THE GREATEST HEIST IN MODERN HISTORY BY AWOLOWO AND THE YORUBAS, KNOWN AS INDIGENIZATION OF FOREIGN COMPANIES IN NIGERIA This piece was prompted by what I saw as benign ignorance amongst some of our Ibo folks and because such ignorance is music to the ears of some other people and Yoruba in particular. In more than one occasion my friends and other Ibo have advanced the argument that if Ibo was that smart, how come Yorubas dominated the commerce industry in Nigeria? What they meant were the domination of Yoruba in the banking, insurance industries, Coco Cola and some other surviving industries. In one particular occasion a friend revealed to me that he recently discovered that the reason why some Yoruba are so wealthy is because they were smart enough to invest their money in corporate stocks and bonds (not realizing that Yoruba actually stolen those corporations) while Ibo is busy engaging in buying and selling. The Yoruba will like people to continue to believe that story, that it was because they were smart that they were able to do all these great investments in the commerce industry. One relevant question that I always managed to ask my interlocutors is whether they were aware of the indigenization decree of 1972, master minded by Awolowo and the Yoruba and the ramifications of that policy, as will be expected, the answer ranged from, I have heard of it but does not understand what it actually meant to I have not heard of the policy. Listening to this ignorance induced perspective from my friends made my heart to skip a beat, realizing that the task of bridging this information gap is not going to be a childs play. What is disconcerting is that some in their benign induced ignorance believe that the effect of indigenization is inconsequential at this time because it happened about forty years ago. This piece is therefore for those that are educable and for those that have the capacity to appreciate the magnitude and most importantly for those that can relate that gigantic economic event that reshaped the economic foundation on which Nigerian economy settled on after the British/Biafran war and as well as relate our present economic malaise to that economic foundation engendered by indigenization. There is no doubt that most people, particularly those that do not have either basic or international economics background are overwhelmed by the subject of INDIGENIZATION OF FOREIGN COMPANIES IN NIGERIA because of their inability to understand the economics of it and the efficacies to make the necessary connections and relate it to the present economic doldrums, some simply brush it aside or worse, simple minimize its far reaching implications particularly on the Ibo. In so doing, majority of us dabble into analysis of how terrible Ibo has managed their affairs since after the civil war, while leaving out a huge chunk of the elements that need to be factored into their analysis. The unspeakable effect of the policy of indigenization on the Ibo was wicked and dastardly. The economic damage on the Ibo is impossible to calculate. The psychological toll on the Ibo is still reverberating amongst the Ibo today and creating identity crisis. Some folks will argue that we should drop the subject because it happened forty years ago, which is equivalent to saying that because slavery, Jim crow and the holocaust happened years ago, and for that reason, they have no relevance in todays analysis. How can any credible analysis of American history not include slavery and its implications, or how can any Jewish history not include the holocaust and its implications and effects, but that is what some folks want us to do, to avoid or forget one of the most devastating economic policies that changed the economic landmark of Nigeria, second to the genocide of more than a million Ibo committed by the same man, Awo, and still arrive at any meaningful analysis. I believe that the incredulity that any ethnic group is capable of visiting such devastation on another is still an obstacle that the subject is struggling against and must overcome. It is not that most people do not know what happen, it is simply that they do not what to believe that it happened because it is mind bending. I also believe that if we do not tell the story over and over, the Yorubas will not tell and neither will the Hausa tell it, as a matter of fact they always wish that it will go away. So whether they like it or not, we must continue to broadcast what happened until people start to understand the effect of the policy not only on the Ibo but on the nation as a whole. Suffice to say that after Awo and the Yoruba succeeded in executing the indigenization decree and became overnight millionaires, many Ibo packed their bags and left Lagos to the east ala Ibo, where they shortly died out of heart break because some of them also suffered the deprivation of their properties due to abandon property policy in Lagos and Port harcourt. |
okunlo: Hi Doc. I am 30. i have not have sex before though i masturbate once in a while for the last 5 yrs.Also, I often have morning erections. i got married some weeks ago and each time i do pre-intimacy with my wife, i dont get a strong erection.I have not been able to dis-virgin her.When i have little erection, once i go into her a little, the erection comes down again.What do I do?Both of you need to spend more time together in non-se[i]x[/i]ual activities. Shop together, club together, visit recreation venues during the weekends. You may also help her out in the kitchen and other domestic chores. Moreover, try to have a heart-to-heart discussion with your wife on your problem. You may be surprised that your wife feels the same way too. There are many books that dealt on this topic. Find them and read. Work on your psychology. You must know that your celibate life is over. You must programme your mind to perform your duty as a husband. Both of u may also benefit from a visit to a medical psychologist or a relationship counsellors in your church or elsewhere. Remember to come back here to share with us how you conquered your problem for the benefit of others. Cheers |
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